Heavyweight Boxing

Angliru · 19-05-2019 12:10pm

I don't think Joshua has that killer instinct any more. As a young pro he was relentless and had bad intentions but since the Wlad fight he fights very cautiously, maybe smartly a better word and is calculated.

iebamm2580 · 19-05-2019 12:12pm

Against povetkin a dangerous fighter he had that killer instinct, he said himself he was not happy with Parker fight and he just wants to ko guys now.

Angliru · 19-05-2019 12:15pm

Povetkin was once dangerous but he was old, off the horse-kicking juice and had come off from being wobbled and at times looking terrible against David Price. I was surprised Joshua got the stoppage like he did but even there he looked vulnerable for a while. I don't buy that at all, his style of fighting has changed...matured I guess and he's happier to box guys than to overload them with his physical attributes. In the long run I think it is a better strategy, but I don't think it'll be the best strategy against someone like Wilder.

iebamm2580 · 19-05-2019 12:21pm

He certainly would be foolish to go toe-toe with wilder but i feel wilder can be caught and if aj catches him he will have the instinct to finish, my humble opinion ha.

Dont be at yourself · 19-05-2019 12:27pm

It seems like a fairly even fight to me, which makes Wilder the better bet given that Joshua is heavily tipped by the bookies.

dougm1970 · 19-05-2019 12:44pm

adam smith and macklin...criticising the ref for counting, then contradicting themselves talking about fury when he went down, saying it was last round with him, he was ok at 3....just bad commentary....ref was right to count.

selectamatic · 19-05-2019 12:46pm

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

He's KO'd every single fighter he has faced, I see no reason he won't do the same to AJ.

Wilder hasn't KO'd all his opponents. He didn't ko fury and he went the full 12 with stiverne too.

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

AJ was wobbled by Whyte, Dropped by Vlad. I see Wilder finishing him very early. AJ wouldn't be evasive at all.

We've seen wilder wobbled by Eric Molina.

Angliru wrote: »

I don't think Joshua has that killer instinct any more. As a young pro he was relentless and had bad intentions but since the Wlad fight he fights very cautiously, maybe smartly a better word and is calculated.

The Povetkin finish showed killer instinct. 3 very clean precise shots landed before he hit the canvas.

Ultimate Seduction · 19-05-2019 2:00pm

selectamatic wrote: »

Wilder hasn't KO'd all his opponents. He didn't ko fury and he went the full 12 with stiverne too.

We've seen wilder wobbled by Eric Molina.

The Povetkin finish showed killer instinct. 3 very clean precise shots landed before he hit the canvas.

I said he KO'd every fighter. He KO'd stiverne in the rematch. He KO'd fury too but somehow he woke up for a 14 count

Angliru · 19-05-2019 2:07pm

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

I said he KO'd every fighter. He KO'd stiverne in the rematch. He KO'd fury too but somehow he woke up for a 14 count

KD'd every fighter not KO'd

megadodge · 19-05-2019 2:29pm

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

I said he KO'd every fighter. He KO'd stiverne in the rematch. He KO'd fury too but somehow he woke up for a 14 count

????

I've heard of "having to KO them to get a draw" but... huh?

squinn2912 · 19-05-2019 2:53pm

megadodge wrote: »

????

I've heard of "having to KO them to get a draw" but... huh?

Bit of nonsense there. Fury beat the count and fair play to him.

Wilder on commentary was likened to Tyson and that’s a good comparison in ways. He’s unpredictable and exciting and has huge power. But I think aj will knock him out. He will stun him once and pounce on him. Fury beats him unanimously. Both have to be very careful for the haymakers but he’s too leaky. Emanuel Steward would’ve made him something else but he’s too erratic. Very entertaining though

dougm1970 · 19-05-2019 5:08pm

looking at the overhead camera on replays last night you could really see how long his stance is...a huge distance between front and back foot...and he can move with agility and great reflexes...and that power !!
he'll be a huge gamble for joshua.. but joshua sounds like he really really wants the fight, not for financial gains, but to really prove hes best.
i wouldnt know who to put my last euro on.

Mike9832 · 19-05-2019 5:28pm

dougm1970 wrote: »

looking at the overhead camera on replays last night you could really see how long his stance is...a huge distance between front and back foot...and he can move with agility and great reflexes...and that power !!
he'll be a huge gamble for joshua.. but joshua sounds like he really really wants the fight, not for financial gains, but to really prove hes best.
i wouldnt know who to put my last euro on.

Think a lot are under rating Joshua

He's a huge guy, a lot bigger man than Wilder, even though Wilder is slightly taller

6'6 250lbs, solid, clever

His size and weight alone will give Wilder big problems and he's a better boxer

Have always thought

Fury beats Joshua
Joshua beats Wilder
Wilder beats Fury

Wilder no doubt has the best one shot power of any heavy

No current heavy can take his shot's clean imo, not many in history can, except maybe Vitali, Holy ( roided to the gills )

On roids

How did Wilder gain 2 stone of muscle in 5 months?

Was the fight Vada tested?

normanoffside · 19-05-2019 5:50pm

Mike9832 wrote: »

How did Wilder gain 2 stone of muscle in 5 months?

Was the fight Vada tested?

He gained 11 lbs
Yes, all WBC fights are Vada tested. As far as I know in their clean boxing programme it's year round random tests.

The man in red and black · 19-05-2019 5:50pm

Mike9832 wrote: »

Think a lot are under rating Joshua

He's a huge guy, a lot bigger man than Wilder, even though Wilder is slightly taller

6'6 250lbs, solid, clever

His size and weight alone will give Wilder big problems and he's a better boxer

Have always thought

Fury beats Joshua
Joshua beats Wilder
Wilder beats Fury

Wilder no doubt has the best one shot power of any heavy

No current heavy can take his shot's clean imo, not many in history can, except maybe Vitali, Holy ( roided to the gills )

On roids

How did Wilder gain 2 stone of muscle in 5 months?

Was the fight Vada tested?

I think Wilder was sick before his last fight? There was talk of him having a viral infection which was why he weighed in his lightest for some time unless I'm mistaken? Which might explain some of the gain/re-gain?

normanoffside · 19-05-2019 7:25pm

The man in red and black wrote: »

I think Wilder was sick before his last fight? There was talk of him having a viral infection which was why he weighed in his lightest for some time unless I'm mistaken? Which might explain some of the gain/re-gain?

I think he lost weight on purpose to fight Ortiz.
Hi normal weight for the past 4-5 years has been 220s. He was 229 vs Szpilka

Ultimate Seduction · 19-05-2019 7:55pm

Fury is on Ariel Helwanis MMA show tomorrow around 6pm

fonecrusher1 · 20-05-2019 1:44pm

Who is Wilder supposed to be fighting next?

I know it should be AJ but Eddie Hearn will make sure that doesn't happen. Is it possible it might happen this year at all?

akelly02 · 20-05-2019 1:49pm

Looks like people are finally coming round to giving wilder actual recognition , about time .most exciting heavyweight since Tyson

The Nal · 20-05-2019 1:51pm

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Who is Wilder supposed to be fighting next?

I know it should be AJ but Eddie Hearn will make sure that doesn't happen. Is it possible it might happen this year at all?

Fury or AJ "probably next year" according to Wilders manager. Doesn't seem to have a lot of time for Hearn.

fonecrusher1 · 20-05-2019 2:04pm

The Nal wrote: »

Doesn't seem to have a lot of time for Hearn.

Probably because Hearn has steered AJ away from Wilder at least once in the last year.

I'm still not convinced by AJ at all. The only guy he's fought with any serious serious pedigree was Klitchko and that went 11 rounds and AJ got dropped. Even the fight against Dillian Whyte he was in trouble on a few occasions.

I think deep down Hearn knows the money trains stops with Wilder.

yourdeadwright · 20-05-2019 2:10pm

Mike9832 wrote: »

Think a lot are under rating Joshua

He's a huge guy, a lot bigger man than Wilder, even though Wilder is slightly taller

6'6 250lbs, solid, clever

His size and weight alone will give Wilder big problems and he's a better boxer

Have always thought

Fury beats Joshua
Joshua beats Wilder
Wilder beats Fury

Wilder no doubt has the best one shot power of any heavy

No current heavy can take his shot's clean imo, not many in history can, except maybe Vitali, Holy ( roided to the gills )

On roids

How did Wilder gain 2 stone of muscle in 5 months?

Was the fight Vada tested?

Have to disagree ,

Wilder beats AJ all day,

AJ doesn't move his head, he gets hit a lot he takes one to give one ( see the Wlad fight) and against Wilder that means your getting dropped,

Fury moves his head the best in the division and that why Wilder will always have trouble with him,

fonecrusher1 · 20-05-2019 2:37pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Have to disagree ,

Wilder beats AJ all day,

AJ doesn't move his head, he gets hit a lot he takes one to give one ( see the Wlad fight) and against Wilder that means your getting dropped,

Fury moves his head the best in the division and that why Wilder will always have trouble with him,

In fairness to AJ though when (if) they do meet he'll be the most powerful boxer he's ever been matched with. Wilder that is. Closely followed by Luis Ortiz who tagged Wilder and came close to dropping.

I agree Wilder wins this though.

The Nal · 20-05-2019 2:51pm

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Probably because Hearn has steered AJ away from Wilder at least once in the last year.

I'm still not convinced by AJ at all. The only guy he's fought with any serious serious pedigree was Klitchko and that went 11 rounds and AJ got dropped. Even the fight against Dillian Whyte he was in trouble on a few occasions.

I think deep down Hearn knows the money trains stops with Wilder.

You could be right yeah but AJ will lose any credibility if he doesn't fight Wilder and/or Fury in the next year. 3 undefeated heavyweights. All at their peak.

yourdeadwright · 20-05-2019 2:53pm

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

In fairness to AJ though when (if) they do meet he'll be the most powerful boxer he's ever been matched with. Wilder that is. Closely followed by Luis Ortiz who tagged Wilder and came close to dropping.

I agree Wilder wins this though.

Ortiz is a cracking fighter and Wilder was properly ill for that fight and still ended up with the KO,

Wait and see AJ will fight Ortiz in a year or two wait till he is that bit older and then claim he fights everyone ,

fonecrusher1 · 20-05-2019 2:57pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Wait and see AJ will fight Ortiz in a year or two wait till he is that bit older and then claim he fights everyone ,

+1

Hence Hearnsy boy gladly accepting the Klitchko fight a few years ago.

Ortiz is a beast but he's 40 now and time is running out. Shame.

squinn2912 · 20-05-2019 3:41pm

Aj wilder is incredibly difficult to call. For me aj wins. He doesn’t really take one to land one that’s much more wilder. Breazeale had him in a bit of bother and he’s terrible. He’s so slow. If aj gets him in trouble he’s gone.
I’d be rooting for Wilder. Power of course is the huge thing too

fonecrusher1 · 20-05-2019 4:21pm

squinn2912 wrote: »

Aj wilder is incredibly difficult to call. For me aj wins. He doesn’t really take one to land one that’s much more wilder. Breazeale had him in a bit of bother and he’s terrible. He’s so slow. If aj gets him in trouble he’s gone.

Wilder has a decent chin on him though based on his fight against Ortiz. He got clobbered over and over again in the 7th round and how he remained on his feet i'll never know. Bell saved him in the end. He can get stunned alright but it seems it takes a lot to drop him. But yes if AJ catches him square its lights out.

ASOT · 20-05-2019 5:03pm

Breazeale said the ref stopped the fight too early, I think Wilder gave him brain damage.

akelly02 · 20-05-2019 5:18pm

ASOT wrote: »

Breazeale said the ref stopped the fight too early, I think Wilder gave him brain damage.

mother of god thats a good one,

fonecrusher1 · 20-05-2019 5:22pm

ASOT wrote: »

Breazeale said the ref stopped the fight too early, I think Wilder gave him brain damage.

He would have needed another 5 minutes to recover from that knock down. As soon as Breazeale got to his feet after about 9 /10 seconds he tilted and fell straight on to the ropes.

Ref might have saved his life.

SHOVELLER · 20-05-2019 6:01pm

Well that was a short night! Got ticket off stubhub for $75 which as less than what Ticketmaster were asking and got there on perfect time to see the annual fight for Gary Russell. Last saw him exactly 2 years ago in his hometown and while he is an excellent tactician only fighting once a year is damaging his prospects. However his inaction does not mean he is ring rusty.

Thought this was a fascinating match up and yet it seems so long ago that Kiko dropped Dunne and he's still competitive. Here he was outmatched though and unable to compete with Russell's superior hand speed and being picked off at will in the first and second. At the end of the second Kiko ate a huge left that had him wobbling. His combinations were hurting Kiko and he was targeting that cut over his left eye which led to the stoppage.

After the Champ called out Santa Cruz by showing off his specially embroidered robe and made some interesting comments about Davis and Berchelt. Hope he fights again this year against the former.

Before the main event a tribute to Harold Lederman:

Spectacular entrance for Wilder and the crowd were in full voice for him. Over here his comments didn't seem to affect his popularity which is an indictment on how life is cheap in certain areas here.

Breazeale just didn't look in shape and was being out matched before being obliterated by that inevitable right hand. It could be argued that he beat the count but I think the referee was right here. Obviously not much else to report! At least the crowd went home happy, if a bit early, this time as opposed to the Crawford Khan shenanigans!

The post fight interview after I thought was a bit bizarre. Jim Gray was saying that Breazeale etc were not what the fans wanted to see so no wonder he then snubbed him for an interview. Yet he then interviews Luis Ortiz! Who really wants to see a rematch there with Wilder? Yes he troubled him but that would be a hard sell.

Morrison J · 20-05-2019 6:50pm

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

But yes if AJ catches him square its lights out.

When has AJ ever knocked anyone's lights out though? He's not a particularly big puncher imo. Nowhere near as concussive as Wilder anyway. Joshua is just a really good finisher.

selectamatic · 20-05-2019 7:08pm

Morrison J wrote: »

When has AJ ever knocked anyone's lights out though? He's not a particularly big puncher imo. Nowhere near as concussive as Wilder anyway. Joshua is just a really good finisher.

It's usually a flush crisp shot that has opponents on queer street. And from there in it's a few more shots till they're down. It's a different way to get to lights out but it's as good as lights out nonetheless. You can't do this fight after fight without being a big puncher.

Put simply Joshua hits plenty hard enough to be more than just a really good finisher.

squinn2912 · 20-05-2019 7:33pm

selectamatic wrote: »

It's usually a flush crisp shot that has opponents on queer street. And from there in it's a few more shots till they're down. It's a different way to get to lights out but it's as good as lights out nonetheless. You can't do this fight after fight without being a big puncher.

Put simply Joshua hits plenty hard enough to be more than just a really good finisher.

Almost any hw will hit hard enough to finish the fight. I think aj stuns wilder and doesn’t let him off the hook like Ortiz did. Aj is a good finisher.

selectamatic · 20-05-2019 7:54pm

squinn2912 wrote: »

Almost any hw will hit hard enough to finish the fight. I think aj stuns wilder and doesn’t let him off the hook like Ortiz did. Aj is a good finisher.

True most can bang to some extent. But its only a minority who are consistently doing it at the top level. To do this you have to be a hard hitter.

Rather than letting wilder off the hook I'd be of the view that Ortiz just simply ran out of time another 30 seconds and things could have been much different. The bell ringing gave wilder the time to recover and Ortiz the time to realise how tired he was.

He pretty much emptied the tank in rd7 and couldn't muster much in the way of sustained offence for the remaining rounds thereafter.

Morrison J · 20-05-2019 7:56pm

selectamatic wrote: »

It's usually a flush crisp shot that has opponents on queer street. And from there in it's a few more shots till they're down. It's a different way to get to lights out but it's as good as lights out nonetheless. You can't do this fight after fight without being a big puncher.

Put simply Joshua hits plenty hard enough to be more than just a really good finisher.

I'd just much rather be a one punch lights out guy than a guy who needs to stun and then finish. Wilder is dangerous when hurt because he's always just one punch away. He's also shown he's got the heart and toughness to be difficult to put away when hurt.

I think it's a pretty tough matchup for Joshua tbh.

selectamatic · 20-05-2019 8:02pm

Morrison J wrote: »

I'd just much rather be a one punch lights out guy than a guy who needs to stun and then finish. Wilder is dangerous when hurt because he's always just one punch away. He's also shown he's got the heart and toughness to be difficult to put away when hurt.

I think it's a pretty tough matchup for Joshua tbh.

I agree with you here.
It's a tough matchup for both in my view.

I really hope it gets made as it has the potential to be a monumental fight.

squinn2912 · 20-05-2019 8:06pm

selectamatic wrote: »

True most can bang to some extent. But its only a minority who are consistently doing it at the top level. To do this you have to be a hard hitter.

Rather than letting wilder off the hook I'd be of the view that Ortiz just simply ran out of time another 30 seconds and things could have been much different. The bell ringing gave wilder the time to recover and Ortiz the time to realise how tired he was.

He pretty much emptied the tank in rd7 and couldn't muster much in the way of sustained offence for the remaining rounds thereafter.

Yep I’m happy to accept that correction on the Ortiz fight. It’s a great prospect
In other news I’ve just watched Joyce Ustinov what a terrible fight. I can’t wait until Joyce fight someone that’s going to fight back and he gets iced

selectamatic · 20-05-2019 8:18pm

I posted this about the charr vs ustinov fight over a year ago:

"Rd10 consisting of charr literally doing laps of the ring for a minute and a half before ustinov finally grabbed ahold of him and playfully slapped him a couple of times with the palm of his glove was the point at which my will to continue watching faded."

It's the first fight I've ever watched live that I had to turn off.

When I seen he was fighting Joyce I said to myself that's one to just watch a highlight vid on.

megadodge · 20-05-2019 8:38pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Have to disagree ,

Wilder beats AJ all day,

AJ doesn't move his head, he gets hit a lot he takes one to give one ( see the Wlad fight) and against Wilder that means your getting dropped,

Fury moves his head the best in the division and that why Wilder will always have trouble with him,

I can't believe you've been getting away with saying that utter rubbish for virtually the entirety of this thread.

You don't like Joshua. Fine. But don't flat out lie about him because you don't like him. Joshua does NOT get hit a lot. That is indisputable. Yet you somehow keep repeating it here as if saying so will make it come true.

You mention the Klitchko fight. Joshua won all the first four rounds by outboxing a master boxer. That takes serious skill levels. It also means he wasn't getting hit a lot. And he wasn't! The whole dynamic of the fight changed in the 5th and 6th. While people correctly give out that Vlad didn't go flat out to finish Joshua, I thought Joshua's defensive/survival work in the 7th and 8th when he was still shook and under serious pressure was very impressive. He really frustrated Vlad and Vlad struggled to land anything of note when he knew he had Joshua ripe for the taking. That takes some doing.

Bad defensive fighters get hit often.
Bad defensive fighters get hit with obvious punches.
Bad defensive fighters get hit with the same punches over and over again.
Bad defensive fighters don't adapt.

I would classify Joshua as a very solid defensive fighter. Good guard, good balance, blocks punches well, good sense of distance and most of all, very similar to Vlad, he has that little two step back which he does very effectively and makes him very hard to reach. This is what I believe will prevent Wilder's very obvious 1-2 from landing. And basically Wilder's only real offense is the basic 1-2 when his opponent isn't punching.

He won't outjab Joshua, even Vlad couldn't do that. So he will be lunging with the 1-2 and will have that same confused look on his face that he had against Fury. The only difference will be his knowledge that Joshua hits hard. Much, much harder than Fury and because of that he will be backing off much more than against Fury. He will get more and more wild and I predict at some stage Joshua will block the right had with his high left and counter with a short right of his own as Wilder lunges in and that will either be the end or beginning of the end.

All this talk of power, power, power makes me wonder has a former regular poster on here created multiple accounts and come back to haunt us. Boxing is always about skill first. Joshua's skill levels are light years ahead of Wilder's and he can punch as well. Give me skills over power any day, but skills with power is the best combination of them all. Joshua will win this fight when it happens. And it will happen.

fonecrusher1 · 20-05-2019 8:55pm

Morrison J wrote: »

When has AJ ever knocked anyone's lights out though? He's not a particularly big puncher imo. Nowhere near as concussive as Wilder anyway. Joshua is just a really good finisher.

Ok well if we're getting technical what I mean by 'lights out' is once he hits his opponent square they're stunned / partially knocked out on their feet and he usually finishes them with a flurry of punches often culminating with a final uppercut. Then its lights out.

Lights out, knocked out, seeing stars whatever they don't get up for a while and he wins.

:pac:

That's the difference with Wilder.

AJ catches Wilder square on the chin - AJ still has work to do to close the deal. Opportunity for opponent to recover.
Wilder catches AJ square - Its over. (99% of the time excluding Fury)

Folks can question his overall boxing skills as much as they want but he is a one punch finisher and that's why IMO he will beat AJ whenever they do meet sometime this century.

squinn2912 · 21-05-2019 9:22am

Joshua has got the balance, footwork and defence advantages. He’s a top hw and therefore easily has the power if he connects. He throws very good combinations and he will adapt his game to suit himself against an opponent. He will also weigh 20 lbs heavier

Wilder has the edge on power in terms of single shots. He’s very quick and agile. His reach is huge and deceptive. He might well have better stamina.

Both have got heart and have weathered storms.

Cases can be made for both and that’s what makes the fight. I think Joshua has more ways to win. I’d like there to be rematch clauses for both

yourdeadwright · 21-05-2019 10:27am

megadodge wrote: »

I can't believe you've been getting away with saying that utter rubbish for virtually the entirety of this thread.

You don't like Joshua. Fine. But don't flat out lie about him because you don't like him. Joshua does NOT get hit a lot. That is indisputable. Yet you somehow keep repeating it here as if saying so will make it come true.

You mention the Klitchko fight. Joshua won all the first four rounds by outboxing a master boxer. That takes serious skill levels. It also means he wasn't getting hit a lot. And he wasn't! The whole dynamic of the fight changed in the 5th and 6th. While people correctly give out that Vlad didn't go flat out to finish Joshua, I thought Joshua's defensive/survival work in the 7th and 8th when he was still shook and under serious pressure was very impressive. He really frustrated Vlad and Vlad struggled to land anything of note when he knew he had Joshua ripe for the taking. That takes some doing.

Bad defensive fighters get hit often.
Bad defensive fighters get hit with obvious punches.
Bad defensive fighters get hit with the same punches over and over again.
Bad defensive fighters don't adapt.

I would classify Joshua as a very solid defensive fighter. Good guard, good balance, blocks punches well, good sense of distance and most of all, very similar to Vlad, he has that little two step back which he does very effectively and makes him very hard to reach. This is what I believe will prevent Wilder's very obvious 1-2 from landing. And basically Wilder's only real offense is the basic 1-2 when his opponent isn't punching.

He won't outjab Joshua, even Vlad couldn't do that. So he will be lunging with the 1-2 and will have that same confused look on his face that he had against Fury. The only difference will be his knowledge that Joshua hits hard. Much, much harder than Fury and because of that he will be backing off much more than against Fury. He will get more and more wild and I predict at some stage Joshua will block the right had with his high left and counter with a short right of his own as Wilder lunges in and that will either be the end or beginning of the end.

All this talk of power, power, power makes me wonder has a former regular poster on here created multiple accounts and come back to haunt us. Boxing is always about skill first. Joshua's skill levels are light years ahead of Wilder's and he can punch as well. Give me skills over power any day, but skills with power is the best combination of them all. Joshua will win this fight when it happens. And it will happen.

I don't hate Aj at all but he with his style he gets hit more often than any of the top 3 , Ye he has a very good jab \and hits hard himself but if you get hit often v Wilder your beaten

For instance Wlad landed 18 power punches v Fury in 12 ronds ,
He landed 44 power punches v AJ in 11

Ye he jabbed the head off people like smaller Parker and guess what even in that fight Parker landed more power punches than AJ did 46 - 52

AVP landed 43 power shots in 7 rounds v AJ (which was more than AJ ) and only 35 in 12 rounds v Wlad,

There is no question AJ gets hit more than other elite level fighters , He hasn't been hurt much but you can not afford to take shots v Wilder , no one can ,

Again Aj is obviously a good fighter but he is stiffer in his upper body movement than Wilder and Fury , Its not a knock its just a fact ,

I think his worst match up skill set wise is v Wilder,

Time will tell ,

squinn2912 · 21-05-2019 2:33pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I don't hate Aj at all but he with his style he gets hit more often than any of the top 3 , Ye he has a very good jab \and hits hard himself but if you get hit often v Wilder your beaten

For instance Wlad landed 18 power punches v Fury in 12 ronds ,
He landed 44 power punches v AJ in 11

Ye he jabbed the head off people like smaller Parker and guess what even in that fight Parker landed more power punches than AJ did 46 - 52

AVP landed 43 power shots in 7 rounds v AJ (which was more than AJ ) and only 35 in 12 rounds v Wlad,

There is no question AJ gets hit more than other elite level fighters , He hasn't been hurt much but you can not afford to take shots v Wilder , no one can ,

Again Aj is obviously a good fighter but he is stiffer in his upper body movement than Wilder and Fury , Its not a knock its just a fact ,

I think his worst match up skill set wise is v Wilder,

Time will tell ,

Good response there those power punch stats surprise me.

yourdeadwright · 21-05-2019 2:44pm

squinn2912 wrote: »

Good response there those power punch stats surprise me.

And that not even taking the Whyte fight into it when he was probably hit the most in his career ,

Aj is a good fighter but because he is English and Sky's golden gooses his skill set is not often adjectively looked at,

He gets hit a hell of the lot , He is very stiff upper body movement because of his frame and has little head movement,

His foot work, Is the big one that can be taken as good or bad ,

Its very European, he move's extremely well in the set pattern's he has worked on but he is not fluid , its good and smooth for a heavy weight but at the same time robotic as its 3 set pattern over and over,

Upside is he is a huge man often over looked how big he is and has a good chin and hits like a truck himself,

I think AJ has a great chance of beating Fury but I feel he is tailor made for Wilder,

Again these big guys anything an happen like we say with Fury v Wilder one bad move and Wilder can blast you out ,

We me included can give all our input but one badly time move or any bit of tiredness can cost you against Wilder (one shot) and AJ (if he hurts you he jumps on you)

I do feel Fury is the better boxer but lack his lack of stopping power evens it up for the other two ,

fonecrusher1 · 21-05-2019 3:38pm

Anyone else notice Joshua has lost some muscle mass? He looks a bit more lean than a few years ago. Maybe its just me.

Mike9832 · 21-05-2019 5:50pm

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Anyone else notice Joshua has lost some muscle mass? He looks a bit more lean than a few years ago. Maybe its just me.

Think it's better myself

He looks a little less like a bodybuilder but was still almost 246lb in his last fight

Heaviest ever was 258lb I think, which was too heavy even for a guy his size

Like Wlad I think he fights best at 240-245 range

megadodge · 21-05-2019 7:21pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I don't hate Aj at all but he with his style he gets hit more often than any of the top 3 , Ye he has a very good jab \and hits hard himself but if you get hit often v Wilder your beaten

For instance Wlad landed 18 power punches v Fury in 12 ronds ,
He landed 44 power punches v AJ in 11

Ye he jabbed the head off people like smaller Parker and guess what even in that fight Parker landed more power punches than AJ did 46 - 52

AVP landed 43 power shots in 7 rounds v AJ (which was more than AJ ) and only 35 in 12 rounds v Wlad,

There is no question AJ gets hit more than other elite level fighters , He hasn't been hurt much but you can not afford to take shots v Wilder , no one can ,

Again Aj is obviously a good fighter but he is stiffer in his upper body movement than Wilder and Fury , Its not a knock its just a fact ,

I think his worst match up skill set wise is v Wilder,

Time will tell ,

In your rush to condemn Joshua, you've just shot yourself in the foot.

When you quoted the 44 power punches Vlad landed on Joshua in 11 rounds I actually thought it was a typo, because the amount was so low!! I checked it out and nope, 44 power punches is all one of the most experienced and skilful heavyweight of recent times was able to land on a boxer who "is wide open", "gets hit a lot" and "has absolutely no defense" (according to you).

I'm genuinely not trying to put you down when I say that your boxing knowledge is limited if you think that Vlad landing an average of 4 power punches a round is actually a bad thing. And in order to prove that let's make a comparison.

Rather than compare with some well-known slugger, let's go all out and compare punchstats with one of the greatest defensive boxers of all time - Floyd Mayweather.

The very first fight that Google brings up when I type in 'punch stats Floyd Mayweather' is the Canelo fight.

https://www.mmamania.com/2013/9/15/4733806/mayweather-vs-canelo-results-compubox-stats-illustrate-dominant

I think we all agree (except for one blind judge) that Mayweather won this fight easily. Yet.... Canelo landed 73 power punches in 12 rounds! He landed 65 in 11 rounds! That's 21 punches MORE than Vlad landed on Joshua! Yet Joshua has "gets hit a lot". Huh?

Next up the Pacquiao fight.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2452449-mayweather-vs-pacquiao-analyzing-punch-stats-that-impacted-title-fight-results

Let's be honest, this was a stinker of a fight, with very few (realatively speaking) punches landed. Mayweather won clearly. Yet.... Pacman landed 63 power punches in 12 rounds!! On a great defensive figher? Huh?

Last but worst of all is the McGregor farce

http://www.irish-boxing.com/floyd-mayweather-v-conor-mcgregor-compubox-punch-stats/

Even facing a total novice making his pro boxing debut, Mayweather got hit with 84 power punches in under 10 rounds!! Using your 'logic' this Floyd fella must have been a face-first slugger who'll be dribbling through a straw pretty soon considering all the punches he took.

And before you bring it up again, no, I never said Joshua was a better defensive fighter than Fury. Never. I pulled you on the flagrant lies you keep spouting on this thread that Anthony Joshua has "absolutely no defense", "gets hit a lot" and "is wide open". The facts back me up.

selectamatic · 21-05-2019 8:23pm

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And that not even taking the Whyte fight into it when he was probably hit the most in his career ,

The whyte fight? Really?

Joshua battered whyte in the 1st and for the first part of the 2nd.

He got pinged 3 parts of the way through the 2nd round and took a few shots after that, returned his own shots and then the bell rang.

The 3rd was cagey with both landing about the same. Whyte with some good body shots iirc.

From the 4th on Joshua began to get into his groove again and was well on top.

He hammered whyte in the 5th to the point that most pundits were very complementary of whytes ability to take a punch.

The fight ended with Joshua mocking and landing at will on the stricken whyte in the 7th.

I haven't seen the stats on the fight but I'd be absolutely amazed if this fight was where Joshua got hit the most in his career.

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