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Expected cost of new 2009 Fiesta gearbox fitted, including labour?

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    #32
    Henry Ford III
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    Could be a number of things but it's not a clutch or gearbox issue.

    A decent mechanic will identify the problem quickly.


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    #33
    irelandjnr
    Registered Users Posts: 203 ✭✭irelandjnr


    Mechanic who did engine compression test said it’s probably the ECU. Said it’s not the idle value nor the fuel pump. Anyone know of a non-dealer way to get the ECU replaced?


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    #34
    Henry Ford III
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    Just get the fault properly identified. Probably isn't good enough.


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    #35
    irelandjnr
    Registered Users Posts: 203 ✭✭irelandjnr


    Henry Ford III wrote: »
    Just get the fault properly identified. Probably isn't good enough.

    Apparently he's a good mechanic. It's been to him and before him main dealer too. Main dealer spent full day and couldn't figure it out, the independent mechanic believes it's the ECU but won't commit to a guarantee just in case, but he does believe this is the issue basically. The trouble we are having does fit with the faults we are seeing when searching online for the typical faults you see with ECU problems. We're going to have the car assessed up in Dublin (we're in Waterford) in Autokey company as they specialise in ECU and electrical and offer ways to refurb our existing ECU and/or fix/replace it. We've contacted them and they will be taking the car in to properly examine the car to see what's going on with the ECU or otherwise. Insurance may be able to bring the car up for us, we will be calling them today. Car still drives I just wouldn't want to drive it 100 miles.

    We will known more in the coming week or two, hopefully.


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    #36
    vintagevrs
    Registered Users Posts: 3,381 ✭✭✭vintagevrs


    Check with your insurance that it won't go down as a claim. That transport to Dublin otherwise will cost you much more in higher premiums over the next 5 years.


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    #37
    JIdontknow
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    Personally don’t think it’s a clutch / gearbox issue either. As someone who has a clutch wearing out in the last few months if I started it up in gear and left clutch out it wouldn’t stall it would just sit there / move slowly. I’d try get an OBD Reader to see the engine management light first and take it from there, might give you an idea. Also the no revving above 3000 rpm sounds like it might be going into limp mode which may be related to the engine management light. Could be some sort of sensor even, so I’d definitely get the codes read before going the route of an ecu.


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    #38
    FrankC21
    Registered Users Posts: 806 ✭✭✭FrankC21


    JIdontknow wrote: »
    Personally don’t think it’s a clutch / gearbox issue either. As someone who has a clutch wearing out in the last few months if I started it up in gear and left clutch out it wouldn’t stall it would just sit there / move slowly. I’d try get an OBD Reader to see the engine management light first and take it from there, might give you an idea. Also the no revving above 3000 rpm sounds like it might be going into limp mode which may be related to the engine management light. Could be some sort of sensor even, so I’d definitely get the codes read before going the route of an ecu.

    Buy an obd reader of amazon plug it in your car and then see what codes it is throwing in.


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    #39
    irelandjnr
    Registered Users Posts: 203 ✭✭irelandjnr


    FrankC21 wrote: »
    Buy an obd reader of amazon plug it in your car and then see what codes it is throwing in.

    iPhone user. 2009 fiesta. Which OBE would I buy?


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    #40
    wonski
    Registered Users Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭wonski


    You really need to bring it to competent garage.

    No one here will help without seeing a car, and buying obd scanner won't help you either.


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    #41
    FrankC21
    Registered Users Posts: 806 ✭✭✭FrankC21


    wonski wrote: »
    You really need to bring it to competent garage.

    No one here will help without seeing a car, and buying obd scanner won't help you either.

    No harm on trying it himself, just go on amazon type in OBD scanner buy the one with lcd screen cost about €23, you dont need your phone, its all on the screen, plug & play kinda thing, don't know where exactly is the port for the 09 fiesta but a simple youtube and google will tell you what to do.

    Edit: heres the vid where it is located by the looks it same as what your driving https://youtu.be/0DS9eArx0ow


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    #42
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users Posts: 73,390 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    wonski wrote: »
    You really need to bring it to competent garage.

    No one here will help without seeing a car, and buying obd scanner won't help you either.

    This times 100. If a Ford garage can’t figure it out, the clairvoyants on Boards or a €20 scanner aren’t gonna pinpoint it either.


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    #43
    FrankC21
    Registered Users Posts: 806 ✭✭✭FrankC21


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    This times 100. If a Ford garage can’t figure it out, the clairvoyants on Boards or a €20 scanner aren’t gonna pinpoint it either.

    Ok colm_mcm, I'll listen to you.


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    #44
    UrbanFret
    Registered Users Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭UrbanFret


    Not much of a ford garage if they can't figure it out. **** sake get them to plug into the diagnostics port and read the fault. its definitely not a gear box issue or does it need a clutch.
    second hand ecu about €60 or €70. Any decent independant would give you an answer fairly quickly. they certainly wouldnt tell you they couldn't figure it out.


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    #45
    irelandjnr
    Registered Users Posts: 203 ✭✭irelandjnr


    Car is been taken away today and going to Dublin first thing Monday. We will see what comes of this. Hopefully Autokey can nail this thing down. We had to pay €200 to get the car to Dublin. Insurance covered the rest. Future insurance premiums remain unaffected, FYI to the person who asked about that.


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    #46
    kirving
    Registered Users Posts: 5,911 ✭✭✭kirving


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    This times 100. If a Ford garage can’t figure it out, the clairvoyants on Boards or a €20 scanner aren’t gonna pinpoint it either.

    At bare minimum, posting on Boards has avoided the (unfounded) gearbox replacement suggestion.

    After that of course, little that can be offered other than general advice to avoid "probably" diagnoses and non committal mechanics.


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    #47
    irelandjnr
    Registered Users Posts: 203 ✭✭irelandjnr


    kirving wrote: »
    At bare minimum, posting on Boards has avoided the (unfounded) gearbox replacement suggestion.

    After that of course, little that can be offered other than general advice to avoid "probably" diagnoses and non committal mechanics.

    That gearbox suggestion came from a fella selling cars in Dublin. It was a phone call conversation. We have established I think by now that he seem to have been wrong, so for that I'm glad I posted here. I also liked hearing the different opinions, some of which inspired us to ask different questions of the independent mechanic who did out engine tests after the main dealer looked at our car. We think the main dealer is more focused on selling new cars than fixing old ones so isn't terribly motivated to find the problem, unfortunately. The independent mechanic mentioned a couple of new pieces of information to help convey his justification for him thinking it was the ECU. We have moved onto the company now who specialises in ECU so we'll know more in the coming week I believe. Monday the car is going to Dublin. Pure guess but we may know more by Tuesday or Wednesday, depending on how busy they are of course. Our goal at this point is to get the car to them, and that's happening Monday morning before noon it should be there.


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    #48
    zilog_jones
    Registered Users Posts: 6,641 ✭✭✭zilog_jones


    irelandjnr wrote: »
    That gearbox suggestion came from a fella selling cars in Dublin. It was a phone call conversation.

    Maybe what he was really saying was that he wanted to sell you a car ;)


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    #49
    garv123
    Registered Users Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭garv123


    irelandjnr wrote: »
    Video to explain some more.



    P.S. Just coming home there now in 3 gear I couldn’t get the car to exceed 3,000 revs going up the hill. Felt like car was lacking power. This car would be well serviced in general with preventative maintenance done etc. Surely both what’s in the video and this lack of power just now seem like related issues.

    If it wouldnt rev above 3k and lacked power it was going into limp mode to keep you from doing more damage, my vitara was very fond of that :D


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    #50
    Henry Ford III
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,640 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    Could be so many things. Might be fuelling? Might be ignition? Might be ECU?

    A good diagnostic should have identified exactly where the issue is.

    What happens if the ECU is changed and the problem remains?


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    #51
    UrbanFret
    Registered Users Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭UrbanFret


    As an aside on Limp mode. I think it should be banned. happened me a couple of times during an overtake, Not nice sitting on the wrong side of the road and suddenly losing all power. Dangerous in my opinion.


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    #52
    kirving
    Registered Users Posts: 5,911 ✭✭✭kirving


    UrbanFret wrote: »
    As an aside on Limp mode. I think it should be banned. happened me a couple of times during an overtake, Not nice sitting on the wrong side of the road and suddenly losing all power. Dangerous in my opinion.

    After the first time it happens, you can't be overtaking really. Banning limp mode would end up with many more cars with destroyed engines coming to a halt on the motorway. It's a necessary feature, but probably shouldn't activated during hard acceleration.

    As an aside, my car tells me not to overtake if I have low fuel, I guess it think's it might not be able to maintain fuel pressure if the tank is low.


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    #53
    irelandjnr
    Registered Users Posts: 203 ✭✭irelandjnr


    CAR FIXED.

    It was the ECU. Autokey in Dublin fixed it. €540 including VAT. Dealer in Waterford wanted €3,000 ha. Bottom line: car fixed.


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