Expected cost of new 2009 Fiesta gearbox fitted, including labour?

irelandjnr

Anyone have low, high and average estimates for this job including VAT. Total cost. 1.4 Litre petrol Fiesta.

1. New gearbox and main dealer.

2. New gearbox and independent garage.

Never heard of a breakers. But can be included in pricing estimates if you wanted: 2B

Edit: people here don't seem to think it's the gearbox, which is good. Now to find out what exactly the problem is. Fingers crossed someone can help. I've included a video on page 2.

CoBo55

Is it a brand new gearbox or one from a breakers? Who's doing the work a main dealer or an independent garage?

irelandjnr

Amended.

CoBo55

What's actually wrong with your gearbox? What year fiesta, petrol or diesel? A breakers is where you can get a second hand gearbox for about a quarter of the price of a new one, get an independent to put it in and you're sorted, going that road should cost around the 500 mark. It's probably a clutch problem you have anyway.

FrankC21

irelandjnr wrote: »

Anyone have low, high and average estimates for this job including VAT. Total cost. 1.4 Litre petrol Fiesta.

1. New gearbox and main dealer.

2. New gearbox and independent garage.

Never heard of a breakers. But can be included in pricing estimates if you wanted: 2B

Sorry, but is there a 1.4 petrol fiesta? Will it be handier to get another fiesta 2008-2009, new gearbox + labour will probably cost you same as getting another 2nd hand 2008-2009 fiesta. I think.

User1998

Whatever you do don’t go to a main dealer. Try a gearbox specialist instead

grogi

irelandjnr wrote: »

Anyone have low, high and average estimates for this job including VAT. Total cost. 1.4 Litre petrol Fiesta.

1. New gearbox and main dealer.

2. New gearbox and independent garage.

Never heard of a breakers. But can be included in pricing estimates if you wanted: 2B

Fitting gearbox approximately 500€. New gearbox, if you find one, a few grands. Much cheaper for a used one.

That is a terminal failure in such car, should be sold for parts.

irelandjnr

CoBo55 wrote: »

It's probably a clutch problem you have anyway.

Allow me to provide more information. If you’re coming to slow down or upon starting the car starts shaking a little as if it could cut out, which it can do. I feel I need to rev the car more to stop it from stalling/cutting out. Someone suggested the gearbox. I know nothing about cars but my initial feeling when this issue cropped up was the clutch. You have to rev car to keep engine going, at least that’s the feeling I get. Engine compression test was fine. Spark plugs new, coil new etc. You really think it might be clutch? What makes you say that? Does my description here change your opinion or reinforce it? If true, I wonder the cost in an independent garage for clutch replacement?

irelandjnr

FrankC21 wrote: »

Sorry, but is there a 1.4 petrol fiesta? Will it be handier to get another fiesta 2008-2009, new gearbox + labour will probably cost you same as getting another 2nd hand 2008-2009 fiesta. I think.

My mistake 1.25 L

CoBo55

irelandjnr wrote: »

Allow me to provide more information. If you’re coming to slow down or upon starting the car starts shaking a little as if it could cut out, which it can do. I feel I need to rev the car more to stop it from stalling/cutting out. Someone suggested the gearbox. I know nothing about cars but my initial feeling when this issue cropped up was the clutch. You have to rev car to keep engine going, at least that’s the feeling I get. Engine compression test was fine. Spark plugs new, coil new etc. You really think it might be clutch? What makes you say that? Does my description here change your opinion or reinforce it? If true, I wonder the cost in an independent garage for clutch replacement?

Is it automatic?

kirving

Did you bring it to a garage? On the face of it, I wouldn't be changing the gearbox based of what you described.

Idle control valve perhaps? Is there any noise when driving in any particular gear?

mk7r

irelandjnr wrote: »

Allow me to provide more information. If you’re coming to slow down or upon starting the car starts shaking a little as if it could cut out, which it can do. I feel I need to rev the car more to stop it from stalling/cutting out. Someone suggested the gearbox. I know nothing about cars but my initial feeling when this issue cropped up was the clutch. You have to rev car to keep engine going, at least that’s the feeling I get. Engine compression test was fine. Spark plugs new, coil new etc. You really think it might be clutch? What makes you say that? Does my description here change your opinion or reinforce it? If true, I wonder the cost in an independent garage for clutch replacement?

Was the car always doing this since you had it or is it a new issue?

irelandjnr

New issue.

irelandjnr

Not automatic.

irelandjnr

kirving wrote: »

Did you bring it to a garage? On the face of it, I wouldn't be changing the gearbox based of what you described.

Idle control valve perhaps? Is there any noise when driving in any particular gear?

What kind of noise? The engine in general is quiet and has always been. It's more that it just shakes a bit a cuts out, like a clutch or idling issue or whatever. Then again I feel it needs to be revved more than normal, so maybe not an idling issue. But maybe it still could be. I'm not a car person. Tricky this one.

newmember2

So the engine doesn't idle - but the car goes OK and the gearchange is OK - so what makes you think it's the gearbox?

I guess fueling.

CoBo55

I'm out life's too short lads....

FrankC21

irelandjnr wrote: »

Allow me to provide more information. If you’re coming to slow down or upon starting the car starts shaking a little as if it could cut out, which it can do. I feel I need to rev the car more to stop it from stalling/cutting out. Someone suggested the gearbox. I know nothing about cars but my initial feeling when this issue cropped up was the clutch. You have to rev car to keep engine going, at least that’s the feeling I get. Engine compression test was fine. Spark plugs new, coil new etc. You really think it might be clutch? What makes you say that? Does my description here change your opinion or reinforce it? If true, I wonder the cost in an independent garage for clutch replacement?

Sounds like me with the renault fluence brought it back to the garage and they couldn't find anything wrong with my one, they just told me its not really exactly a new car, the mechanic told me how to test the clutch, if the bite point is beyond halfway when you release it, the clutch is going. But my one isn't need any replacement.

After that, i try not releasing the bite until i rev up the car up to 2500-3k.

Just out of curiosity, how long have you been driving the fiesta?

FrankC21

irelandjnr wrote: »

What kind of noise? The engine in general is quiet and has always been. It's more that it just shakes a bit a cuts out, like a clutch or idling issue or whatever. Then again I feel it needs to be revved more than normal, so maybe not an idling issue. But maybe it still could be. I'm not a car person. Tricky this one.

Just rev it up then, and just try and control the clutch when you release it.

kirving

Can you take a video of the rev counter with sound, when you realise the clutch. Do this both in neutral and in first gear with the handbrake on so that the engine is under a little stress.

Have you brought it to a mechanic? How long have you been driving, and how long have you been driving that car?

irelandjnr

kirving wrote: »

Can you take a video of the rev counter with sound, when you realise the clutch. Do this both in neutral and in first gear with the handbrake on so that the engine is under a little stress.

Have you brought it to a mechanic? How long have you been driving, and how long have you been driving that car?

I will do that video yes. How much do you want me to rev the car?

Been driving for years and years, two drivers drive this car. Yes we brought to dealership and they spent hours (apparently) tracing wires to see if there was a loose wire. They didn't find one. Spark plugs changed but didn't need it. We got an engine compression test with an independent dealer and they said the engine was ok, so it doesn't look like an engine specific problem. Someone suggested it could be the ECU, what do you think?

irelandjnr

kirving wrote: »

Can you take a video of the rev counter with sound, when you realise the clutch. Do this both in neutral and in first gear with the handbrake on so that the engine is under a little stress.

Video to explain some more.

P.S. Just coming home there now in 3 gear I couldn’t get the car to exceed 3,000 revs going up the hill. Felt like car was lacking power. This car would be well serviced in general with preventative maintenance done etc. Surely both what’s in the video and this lack of power just now seem like related issues.

spiggotpaddy

What's your problem got to do with the gearbox, nothing I'd say. From the video it's like a coil is gone or fuel starvation.

irelandjnr

spiggotpaddy wrote: »

What's your problem got to do with the gearbox, nothing I'd say. From the video it's like a coil is gone or fuel starvation.

Thanks for your reply. They replaced the coil when examining the engine the broke the other one. So the Coillte doesn't seem to be the issue. What's fuel starvation? (I can guess what it is, but if wouldn't mind getting specific etc.) As in, is it expensive to get fixed? Difficult or complex to fix?

FrankC21

Does it have any errors using OBD scanner? Just guessing could be fuel pump aswell.

irelandjnr

FrankC21 wrote: »

Does it have any errors using OBD scanner? Just guessing could be fuel pump aswell.

NCT Sunday. Will that help us answer this riddle?

FrankC21

irelandjnr wrote: »

NCT Sunday. We that help us answer this riddle?

Good luck

richardsheil

irelandjnr wrote: »

NCT Sunday. Will that help us answer this riddle?

You just need to get it to a competent mechanic. They will diagnose it if competent. No disrespect to you but you don't know cars so are not the ideal person to figure it out.

richardsheil

richardsheil wrote: »

You just need to get it to a competent mechanic. They will diagnose it if competent. No disrespect to you but you don't know cars so are not the ideal person to figure it out.

The check engine light is on, so there will be a code stored which will help

embraer170

We'd all love to know what garage told you it was the gearbox.

You can get an OBD2 scanner for a few € on Ebay and easily connect it to an Android phone. It is a little bit more complicated if you use an iPhone. (need an OBD2 that broadcasts a Wifi signal).

Or maybe someone in your circle of friends/family already has one?

vintagevrs

Just take it to a mechanic....

How those symptoms got diagnosed as a gearbox issue I have no idea.

The fact it looks like it runs fine when the accelerator is applied would potentially point to the ICV. They can get gunked up and not let enough air in for the engine to idle and die like what yours is going. A spray of brake cleaner can sort that, or a new ICV.

Henry Ford III

Could be a number of things but it's not a clutch or gearbox issue.

A decent mechanic will identify the problem quickly.

irelandjnr

Mechanic who did engine compression test said it’s probably the ECU. Said it’s not the idle value nor the fuel pump. Anyone know of a non-dealer way to get the ECU replaced?

Henry Ford III

Just get the fault properly identified. Probably isn't good enough.

irelandjnr

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Just get the fault properly identified. Probably isn't good enough.

Apparently he's a good mechanic. It's been to him and before him main dealer too. Main dealer spent full day and couldn't figure it out, the independent mechanic believes it's the ECU but won't commit to a guarantee just in case, but he does believe this is the issue basically. The trouble we are having does fit with the faults we are seeing when searching online for the typical faults you see with ECU problems. We're going to have the car assessed up in Dublin (we're in Waterford) in Autokey company as they specialise in ECU and electrical and offer ways to refurb our existing ECU and/or fix/replace it. We've contacted them and they will be taking the car in to properly examine the car to see what's going on with the ECU or otherwise. Insurance may be able to bring the car up for us, we will be calling them today. Car still drives I just wouldn't want to drive it 100 miles.

We will known more in the coming week or two, hopefully.

vintagevrs

Check with your insurance that it won't go down as a claim. That transport to Dublin otherwise will cost you much more in higher premiums over the next 5 years.

JIdontknow

Personally don’t think it’s a clutch / gearbox issue either. As someone who has a clutch wearing out in the last few months if I started it up in gear and left clutch out it wouldn’t stall it would just sit there / move slowly. I’d try get an OBD Reader to see the engine management light first and take it from there, might give you an idea. Also the no revving above 3000 rpm sounds like it might be going into limp mode which may be related to the engine management light. Could be some sort of sensor even, so I’d definitely get the codes read before going the route of an ecu.

FrankC21

JIdontknow wrote: »

Personally don’t think it’s a clutch / gearbox issue either. As someone who has a clutch wearing out in the last few months if I started it up in gear and left clutch out it wouldn’t stall it would just sit there / move slowly. I’d try get an OBD Reader to see the engine management light first and take it from there, might give you an idea. Also the no revving above 3000 rpm sounds like it might be going into limp mode which may be related to the engine management light. Could be some sort of sensor even, so I’d definitely get the codes read before going the route of an ecu.

Buy an obd reader of amazon plug it in your car and then see what codes it is throwing in.

irelandjnr

FrankC21 wrote: »

Buy an obd reader of amazon plug it in your car and then see what codes it is throwing in.

iPhone user. 2009 fiesta. Which OBE would I buy?

wonski

You really need to bring it to competent garage.

No one here will help without seeing a car, and buying obd scanner won't help you either.

FrankC21

wonski wrote: »

You really need to bring it to competent garage.

No one here will help without seeing a car, and buying obd scanner won't help you either.

No harm on trying it himself, just go on amazon type in OBD scanner buy the one with lcd screen cost about €23, you dont need your phone, its all on the screen, plug & play kinda thing, don't know where exactly is the port for the 09 fiesta but a simple youtube and google will tell you what to do.

Edit: heres the vid where it is located by the looks it same as what your driving https://youtu.be/0DS9eArx0ow

colm_mcm

wonski wrote: »

You really need to bring it to competent garage.

No one here will help without seeing a car, and buying obd scanner won't help you either.

This times 100. If a Ford garage can’t figure it out, the clairvoyants on Boards or a €20 scanner aren’t gonna pinpoint it either.

FrankC21

colm_mcm wrote: »

This times 100. If a Ford garage can’t figure it out, the clairvoyants on Boards or a €20 scanner aren’t gonna pinpoint it either.

Ok colm_mcm, I'll listen to you.

UrbanFret

Not much of a ford garage if they can't figure it out. **** sake get them to plug into the diagnostics port and read the fault. its definitely not a gear box issue or does it need a clutch.
second hand ecu about €60 or €70. Any decent independant would give you an answer fairly quickly. they certainly wouldnt tell you they couldn't figure it out.

irelandjnr

Car is been taken away today and going to Dublin first thing Monday. We will see what comes of this. Hopefully Autokey can nail this thing down. We had to pay €200 to get the car to Dublin. Insurance covered the rest. Future insurance premiums remain unaffected, FYI to the person who asked about that.

kirving

colm_mcm wrote: »

This times 100. If a Ford garage can’t figure it out, the clairvoyants on Boards or a €20 scanner aren’t gonna pinpoint it either.

At bare minimum, posting on Boards has avoided the (unfounded) gearbox replacement suggestion.

After that of course, little that can be offered other than general advice to avoid "probably" diagnoses and non committal mechanics.

irelandjnr

kirving wrote: »

At bare minimum, posting on Boards has avoided the (unfounded) gearbox replacement suggestion.

After that of course, little that can be offered other than general advice to avoid "probably" diagnoses and non committal mechanics.

That gearbox suggestion came from a fella selling cars in Dublin. It was a phone call conversation. We have established I think by now that he seem to have been wrong, so for that I'm glad I posted here. I also liked hearing the different opinions, some of which inspired us to ask different questions of the independent mechanic who did out engine tests after the main dealer looked at our car. We think the main dealer is more focused on selling new cars than fixing old ones so isn't terribly motivated to find the problem, unfortunately. The independent mechanic mentioned a couple of new pieces of information to help convey his justification for him thinking it was the ECU. We have moved onto the company now who specialises in ECU so we'll know more in the coming week I believe. Monday the car is going to Dublin. Pure guess but we may know more by Tuesday or Wednesday, depending on how busy they are of course. Our goal at this point is to get the car to them, and that's happening Monday morning before noon it should be there.

zilog_jones

irelandjnr wrote: »

That gearbox suggestion came from a fella selling cars in Dublin. It was a phone call conversation.

Maybe what he was really saying was that he wanted to sell you a car

garv123

irelandjnr wrote: »

Video to explain some more.

P.S. Just coming home there now in 3 gear I couldn’t get the car to exceed 3,000 revs going up the hill. Felt like car was lacking power. This car would be well serviced in general with preventative maintenance done etc. Surely both what’s in the video and this lack of power just now seem like related issues.

If it wouldnt rev above 3k and lacked power it was going into limp mode to keep you from doing more damage, my vitara was very fond of that

Henry Ford III

Could be so many things. Might be fuelling? Might be ignition? Might be ECU?

A good diagnostic should have identified exactly where the issue is.

What happens if the ECU is changed and the problem remains?

UrbanFret

As an aside on Limp mode. I think it should be banned. happened me a couple of times during an overtake, Not nice sitting on the wrong side of the road and suddenly losing all power. Dangerous in my opinion.