The Republic is 70 years old today

Church on Tuesday · 18-04-2019 1:06pm #1

Remarkable in a way how relatively young the Republic is, fascinating footage from the event:

Dravokivich · 18-04-2019 1:12pm

Is he trying to stop himself from saying "Error" ?

kneemos · 18-04-2019 1:20pm

Pension age.

Church on Tuesday · 18-04-2019 7:24pm

kneemos wrote: »

Pension age.

70 years young sure

Your Face · 18-04-2019 7:25pm

All that's showing is 'an error occurred'

Ha

riffmongous · 18-04-2019 8:17pm

¡Viva la República!

Rubberchikken · 18-04-2019 8:22pm

yehaw

janfebmar · 18-04-2019 9:28pm

Decades of mass emigration to England followed, with church sex abuse, Magdalene laundries, discrimination, babies in unmarked graves etc rife here.

Atoms for Peace · 18-04-2019 9:33pm

Sham republic for the most part, what ever revolutionary spirit that the Brits didn't kill was soon stamped out by the counter revolutionaries of CnaG and buried by Dev and McQuaid.

Badly Drunk Boy · 18-04-2019 9:34pm

janfebmar wrote: »

Decades of mass emigration to England followed, with church sex abuse, Magdalene laundries, discrimination, babies in unmarked graves etc rife here.

And why exactly are you still here?

klaaaz · 18-04-2019 10:19pm

The republic ain't complete, that's why it's not widely celebrated

janfebmar · 18-04-2019 10:26pm

klaaaz wrote: »

The republic ain't complete, that's why it's not widely celebrated

Nothing to do with the housing crises, homelessness, the corruption, the fact so many Irish had to emigrate or suffer, the fact our national debt is so high etc? Maybe people are too tired having to commute long distances to dork in vehicles burdened with high vets?

beertons · 18-04-2019 10:29pm

I'd blow out 70 candles, but I don't have the lungs for it any more.

JupiterKid · 18-04-2019 10:35pm

Becoming a Republic in 1949 was essentially a formality. We were a Republic in all but name after the 1920s.

Capt'n Midnight · 18-04-2019 10:39pm

janfebmar wrote: »

Decades of mass emigration to England followed, with church sex abuse, Magdalene laundries, discrimination, babies in unmarked graves etc rife here.

Because things were so much better on the other side of the border ?

SEPT 23 1989 · 18-04-2019 10:52pm

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

Sham republic for the most part, what ever revolutionary spirit that the Brits didn't kill was soon stamped out by the counter revolutionaries of CnaG and buried by Dev and McQuaid.

The poor outside the tent get fcuked anyway so what's the point

Phileas Frog · 18-04-2019 10:54pm

JupiterKid wrote: »

Becoming a Republic in 1949 was essentially a formality. We were a Republic in all but name after the 1920s.

Other than still having a King of course...

RobbingBandit · 18-04-2019 11:02pm

Athens and Rome would be disgusted by the representation of their ideals this circus of a nation has exhibited. We need an age of enlightenment to set things right but the vast majority of brass knecks in charge would escape the guillotine.

janfebmar · 18-04-2019 11:08pm

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Because things were so much better on the other side of the border ?

According to the 2001 census, around 850,000 people in Britain were born in Ireland. So it is fair to assume those 850,000 found things better enough on that side of the border to sacrifice leaving their homeland, friends and family.

So much here was brushed under the carpet. Only yesterday, in the Mother & baby home, Cork: only 64 of 900-plus baby graves found.

amcalester · 18-04-2019 11:13pm

janfebmar wrote: »

According to the 2001 census, around 850,000 people in Britain were born in Ireland. So it is fair to assume those 850,000 found things better enough on that side of the border to sacrifice leaving their homeland, friends and family.

Post hoc ergo proptor hoc

klaaaz · 18-04-2019 11:36pm

janfebmar wrote: »

According to the 2001 census, around 850,000 people in Britain were born in Ireland. So it is fair to assume those 850,000 found things better enough on that side of the border to sacrifice leaving their homeland, friends and family.

After suffering ethnic cleansing from their homeland as a direct consequence of centuries of British rule

Marengo · 18-04-2019 11:41pm

janfebmar wrote: »

Decades of mass emigration to England followed, with church sex abuse, Magdalene laundries, discrimination, babies in unmarked graves etc rife here.

All true but why do people always look at the negatives.

Democracy established. No left or right wing dictatorships. 70 years of peace in the 26 counties. Problems and poverty but overall a country with a strong middle class and a first world country. Much achievement in sport and the arts.

Church on Tuesday · 19-04-2019 12:16am

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Because things were so much better on the other side of the border ?

Yup.

Plot twist: it really really wasn't.

Northern Ireland was pretty dire after partition and would mostly remain so.

The Republic of Ireland would thrive under the Lemass government and NI largely stagnated.

Now of course, Irish society was still devoutly religious; the church would exert more and more control over the general populace and subsequent governments would largely facilitate a boom/boost modus operandi but we can still celebrate the many achievements of a Republic as another poster here has pointed out.

We live in a different age now and that can only be a good thing; when the men and women of 1916 proclaimed a Republic most, if not all, of their ideals failed to come to pass.

I'd like to think that we now, as a young, progressive and ambitious determined society are more aligned to those ideals, learn from the mistakes of the past and write or own passage in history books to come.

Duckworth_Luas · 19-04-2019 12:21am

janfebmar wrote: »

According to the 2001 census, around 850,000 people in Britain were born in Ireland. So it is fair to assume those 850,000 found things better enough on that side of the border to sacrifice leaving their homeland, friends and family.

So much here was brushed under the carpet. Only yesterday, in the Mother & baby home, Cork: only 64 of 900-plus baby graves found.

Ah look, it's regular rereg gigno/japer/maryishere back after another ban. A one subject poster, with that subject being to vilify Ireland and glorify his beloved Britannia.

Even if that figure was true, and given your posting history I doubt it, by 2013 only 400K Irish born people lived in Britain, with 300K British born people living in Ireland.

So a far higher born proportion of the Irish population are British in origin than the other way around.

So by your logic Ireland is a better place to live then.

markodaly · 19-04-2019 12:29am

A very mixed legacy to say the least. Some goods things to be said, but also many bad things as well.

refusetolose · 19-04-2019 12:31am

i see they're celebrating it well in Creggan tonight

refusetolose · 19-04-2019 12:36am

https://twitter.com/AMMGMedia/status/1119021379997917187

refusetolose · 19-04-2019 12:38am

dont know how true this is

https://twitter.com/EmilieHagan52/status/1119021860300251141

Church on Tuesday · 19-04-2019 12:43am

refusetolose wrote: »

https://twitter.com/AMMGMedia/status/1119021379997917187

If that is true, then that is unbelievably sad.

The repercussions of a very complicated history.

refusetolose · 19-04-2019 12:45am

https://twitter.com/PSNIDCSDistrict/status/1119023697594068992

expectationlost · 19-04-2019 1:09am

https://twitter.com/LeonaONeill1/status/1119027003854868481

janfebmar · 19-04-2019 1:11am

refusetolose wrote: »

https://twitter.com/PSNIDCSDistrict/status/1119023697594068992

No mention of it yet on RTE news, although other (overseas) media has it.
Very sad.

Atlantic Dawn · 19-04-2019 1:26am

I hate RTE for glamourising Irish revolution as being great craic and fun times when at the time it was by their definition pure terrorism yet they completely resent attacks on security forces in the last 30 years which are the very same whereby people attack an occupying force.

janfebmar · 19-04-2019 1:30am

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

Even if that figure was true, and given your posting history I doubt it.. .

Do not take my word for it. Look up Irish diaspora on Wikipedia.

Quote: "It is estimated that as many as six million people living in the UK have an Irish-born grandparent (around 10% of the UK population). The 2001 UK Census states that 869,093 people born in Ireland are living in Great Britain."

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

I hate RTE for glamourising Irish revolution as being great craic and fun times when at the time it was by their definition pure terrorism yet they completely resent attacks on security forces in the last 30 years which are the very same whereby people attack an occupying force.

I agree. RTE have a lot to answer for, they used to have quite high standards but have really slipped this past number of years.

Duckworth_Luas · 19-04-2019 1:41am

janfebmar wrote: »

Do not take my word for it. Look up Irish diaspora on Wikipedia.

Quote: "It is estimated that as many as six million people living in the UK have an Irish-born grandparent (around 10% of the UK population). The 2001 UK Census states that 869,093 people born in Ireland are living in Great Britain."

Well gigno/japer/maryishere/janfebmar, by 2013 80% of the 300K British born people living in Ireland were of working age. Yet only half of the Irish born population in Britain were, the other half were 65+.

How bad will this get post-Brexit?

We're already being swamped by these immigrants fleeing their, I assume, third world homeland. The proportion of British people living and working here is ridiculous. Coming here, taking our jobs.

By maryishere logic Ireland must be a paradise!

janfebmar · 19-04-2019 2:06am

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

Well gigno/japer/maryishere/janfebmar,

Well Francis / FT / Johnny / Duckworth, if you want to open up another thread on Brexit, then do so. There are still far more Irish people in the densely populated hellhole of Britain than there are British people here, to say nothing of the huge Irish diaspora in other countries like Oz.

Duckworth_Luas · 19-04-2019 2:25am

janfebmar wrote: »

Well Francis / FT / Johnny / Duckworth, if you want to open up another thread on Brexit, then do so. There are still far more Irish people in the densely populated hellhole of Britain than there are British people here, to say nothing of the huge Irish diaspora in other countries like Oz.

Nope maryishere!

In 2013 there was 300K British people living in Ireland, about 7.5% of the population. Of whom 240K were of working age, 6% of the population.

Meanwhile in "the densely populated hellhole of Britain", your words not mine, only 200K, or about 0.3% of the population, were Irish born of working age. One third of a single percent!

The proportion of Brits working in Ireland, or scrounging of our welfare system, is 18 times the reverse.

ted1 · 19-04-2019 2:30am

janfebmar wrote: »

Decades of mass emigration to England followed, with church sex abuse, Magdalene laundries, discrimination, babies in unmarked graves etc rife here.

And two decades of mass immigration into Ireland. Legalised gay marriage by popular vote. Lead Europe in introducing a smoking ban and plastic bag ban. Home to the worlds leadung technology and air craft leasing firms. And so on.

The Crowman · 19-04-2019 8:14am

https://twitter.com/corkfolklore/status/1118881916130820101

janfebmar · 19-04-2019 9:07am

ted1 wrote: »

And two decades of mass immigration into Ireland. Legalised gay marriage by popular vote. Lead Europe in introducing a smoking ban and plastic bag ban. Home to the worlds leadung technology and air craft leasing firms. And so on.

We were not talking about the last 2 decades, when there was mass immigration in to every western country in the world. In the 20th century we had mass emmigration, probably the highest in the world. For much of the 20th century they was even no access to contraception here in Ireland. Even now stories are just coming out about the Magdalene laundries, the missing babies in tuam and cork etc.

10000maniacs · 19-04-2019 10:10am

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Remarkable in a way how relatively young the Republic is, fascinating footage from the event:

What were they going to do with all those armoured cars?

19-04-2019 10:52am

janfebmar wrote: »

Decades of mass emigration to England followed, with church sex abuse, Magdalene laundries, discrimination, babies in unmarked graves etc rife here.

Maybe Ireland should pretend it never happened and just take the English 'Widgery' approach to facing up to the past? For the record, and we've long established that you're not a fan of historical facts, the Mother and Baby Homes actually began in England. Here's a hugely interesting website focusing on the things there which are not being officially investigated as they are in Ireland:

Mother and Baby Homes first appeared in England in 1891 under the guidance of the Salvation Army in London. By 1968 there were a total of 172 known homes for unmarried mothers, the majority run by religious bodies. Premarital pregnancy was heavily stigmatized and provoked issues around sex, morality, religion and authority both parental and community. While there were women who birthed and raised their illegitimate children, there were many who were feared to have brought shame upon the family and quickly ushered into the confines of a Mother and Baby Home to hide their pregnancies. Often orchestrated by social workers, or parents of the young woman, many were pressured into giving their children up for adoption with an all-time peak in 1968 of adoption orders granted in England, 16,164 in all. Young women feared the ‘private punishment and public humiliation’ which accompanied illegitimate pregnancy, and with little information on alternative options they conceded to their perinatal penalty...

The majority of homes were run by religious organizations. According to a 1968 study on Mother and Baby Homes, the greater part of the homes were run by the Church of England (58%), followed by Roman Catholic (11.6%), the Salvation Army (5.3%), the Methodist Church (3.5%), as well as other church and religious organizations (7.6%). The remaining homes were run by local authorities including health and welfare departments (14%)

Mother and Baby Homes in England

19-04-2019 10:59am

janfebmar wrote: »

In the 20th century we had mass emmigration, probably the highest in the world.... Even now stories are just coming out about the Magdalene laundries, the missing babies in tuam and cork etc.

Whereas your crowd just packaged the trouble and excess population up in British military uniforms and sent them to civilise the savages across the world. Heroes. In former times you also got rid of your troublesome ones, especially of the religious variety, by giving them parts of your colonies in Ireland and elsewhere where they could piss all over the natives just as the English had done on them.

Now, with none of the empire left but the very shake rump of the Irish colony and its rising native horde, and a few rocks elsewhere, where's the British outlet for releasing all that internal British English tension and stress going to be focused?

Oh, wait - is that the glorious pleb distraction of the evil EU I see over yonder? What felicitious timing! Marshal the Tory rag media and focus on our glorious target, old chap. Remember the 100 Years War! French. Nazis. Nanny state. Nazis. Evil. Nazis. Anti-democratic. Nazis. Straight bananas...

Franz Von Peppercorn · 19-04-2019 11:04am

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

I hate RTE for glamourising Irish revolution as being great craic and fun times when at the time it was by their definition pure terrorism yet they completely resent attacks on security forces in the last 30 years which are the very same whereby people attack an occupying force.

All revolutions have some atrocities, there were atrocities in the American revolution.

In the Irish case the burning of Cork, Croke Park, the siege of Tralee and so on were the greater atrocities, although the British Army also engaged in atrocities in the American revolution.

Well done Ireland. There are some who are born to the place, hate it but never leave it in case their prejudices are not confirmed, but its done pretty well.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 19-04-2019 11:05am

Deleted User wrote: »

Maybe Ireland should pretend it never happened and just take the English 'Widgery' approach to facing up to the past? For the record, and we've long established that you're not a fan of historical facts, the Mother and Baby Homes actually began in England. Here's a hugely interesting website focusing on the things there which are not being officially investigated as they are in Ireland:

Mother and Baby Homes in England

Its absolutely the case that Ireland investigates the Catholic Church far more rigorously than the UK investigates its crimes.

Colonial crimes are just hushed up.

Church on Tuesday · 19-04-2019 12:21pm

10000maniacs wrote: »

What were they going to do with all those armoured cars?

Ah, keep 'em for parades like this

janfebmar · 19-04-2019 12:21pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Its absolutely the case that Ireland investigates the Catholic Church far more rigorously than the UK investigates .

You must be joking. They have not even dug up the place in Tuam yet to find out how many unknown babies were dumped there. Then only during last week there were fresh revelations about another scandal in Cork.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 19-04-2019 12:33pm

janfebmar wrote: »

You must be joking. They have not even dug up the place in Tuam yet to find out how many unknown babies were dumped there. Then only during last week there were fresh revelations about another scandal in Cork.

The uk hasn’t even started investigating their own abuse system, or don’t find evidence when they do. Like Ed Heath. But there’s no equivalent to Irish type reports where people just state their stories and those stories are reported.

Besides that the U.K. and Empire has killed millions during the time of Irish independence, and the options for Ireland were independence or being part of an Empire.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 19-04-2019 12:35pm

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

If that is true, then that is unbelievably sad.

The repercussions of a very complicated history.

It also happened in the U.K.

Church on Tuesday · 19-04-2019 12:40pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

It also happened in the U.K.

What did?

Church on Tuesday · 19-04-2019 12:44pm

janfebmar wrote: »

You must be joking. They have not even dug up the place in Tuam yet to find out how many unknown babies were dumped there. Then only during last week there were fresh revelations about another scandal in Cork.

The fact that we as a progressive modern society are now aggressively trying to address those issues is to be applauded I think.

Wrongs were done in the past, everyone knows and accepts that, but whatever you think of the Republic as a whole, I'd rather live in a free democratic state that will at least admit it's wrong doings than other dubious states the world over that won't.

The Republic is 70 years old today

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