macOS 10.15 Catalina

raher1 · 02-11-2019 5:19pm

according to this my cs6 photoshop is gone if i upgrade to catlina
is this true?
https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/photoshop-cs6-cannot-be-opened-after-catalina

5uspect · 02-11-2019 5:23pm

raher1 wrote: »

according to this my cs6 photoshop is gone if i upgrade to catlina
is this true?
https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/photoshop-cs6-cannot-be-opened-after-catalina

Yes. You can view which Apps are 32bit in the System Inspector.

cnocbui · 02-11-2019 5:25pm

Looks like I will never downgrade to Catalina - ever. I use PS6 a fair bit.

Q: When is progress not progress?
A: When Apple makes decisions for you.

DubDJ · 02-11-2019 6:35pm

I understand the arguments around dropping support for 32 bit apps, especially around apps and games which are no longer maintained and nostalgia that comes with using some of those.

But with stuff like Adobe CS6, it was replaced over 7 years ago with a new and modern version. I get some people don’t like paying for subscription plans but there are plenty of alternatives like Pixelmator pro and affinity designer etc that can replace some of these apps.

Cant really blame Apple that 7 year old software doesn’t work on your OS anymore. At some point you have to decide to drop the legacy baggage of the past to be able to move on. Again, I can understand people’s frustration with dropping support, but not for stuff like Adobe in my opinion.

cnocbui · 03-11-2019 8:47pm

Mr.S wrote: »

CS6 is what, 7 years old?

At some point your going to need to let it go. I'd be more annoyed at Adobe for going to a subscription only model with Photoshop CC.

My Laptop is 7 years old, my phone is 9 years old, my car is 14 years old and still in good running order. I'll let these go when I'm good and ready. Same for CS6.

whiterebel · 04-11-2019 10:48am

Catalina is just terrible. Constant re-starts. When logging in it takes about 15 minutes for anything to be ready such as web browsing, checking email or whatever. The NAS problem is widespread apparently. I don't remember such a flawed release in a long, long time.

whippet · 04-11-2019 2:05pm

cnocbui wrote: »

My Laptop is 7 years old, my phone is 9 years old, my car is 14 years old and still in good running order. I'll let these go when I'm good and ready. Same for CS6.

fair enough .. but don't expect to be able to use unleaded petrol in a vintage car either

DubDJ · 04-11-2019 2:11pm

whiterebel wrote: »

Catalina is just terrible. Constant re-starts. When looking in it takes about 15 minutes for anything to be ready such as web browsing, checking email or whatever. The NAS problem is widespread apparently. I don't ever remember such a flawed release in a long, long time.

Are you using an older machine by any chance? Can't say I've any any major issues with 10.15. During the first release I had the dock disappear once, restart fixed it. Other than that it's been easy going, but I've a new machine so could be the reason why I've had no issues.

Funny enough, booting up is now a lot faster than Mohave for me too, used to stay on the black screen with the Apple logo for a good lot longer than it does now.

NUTZZ · 04-11-2019 7:06pm

DubDJ wrote: »

Are you using an older machine by any chance? Can't say I've any any major issues with 10.15. During the first release I had the dock disappear once, restart fixed it. Other than that it's been easy going, but I've a new machine so could be the reason why I've had no issues.

Funny enough, booting up is now a lot faster than Mohave for me too, used to stay on the black screen with the Apple logo for a good lot longer than it does now.

I have the latest 2019 MBP (almost maxed out) and have had nothing but issues with it as I mentioned above. Running Mojave on it again the last week or so and it's flawless again. I'll check out Catalina again in a few months after some more updates.

5uspect · 04-11-2019 7:18pm

I installed 10.15.1 on my mid 2014 15” over the weekend and it seems fine. I only had one occasionally used 32 bit app (Xfoil) that I can run in one of my VMs anyway.

I’ll install it on my 2015 5k iMac a little later, probably around 10.15.2. I’m a little hesitant after reading this article:

https://eclecticlight.co/2019/10/31/a-plain-guide-to-mac-firmware-and-its-problems/

DeconSheridan · 08-11-2019 12:09pm

Would like a preview of the OS to see the pros and cons..
Anyone know an alternative to iTunes that has same feel have a massive digital collection and attached to iTunes basic layout and features.

The Black Oil · 31-01-2020 11:54am

10.5.3 is available.

Deep Thought · 01-02-2020 4:01pm

Haven’t updated yet. Is it worth doing now?

JonMac · 21-02-2020 10:45am

Took the plunge and updated yesterday. It went smoothly, no problems.

Deep Thought · 23-02-2020 1:07am

Gonna upgrade my HD first and then try it

The Black Oil · 24-03-2020 11:17pm

10.15.4 is out.

Spocker · 25-03-2020 12:39am

The Black Oil wrote: »

10.15.4 is out.

Installed it and it breaks Keepass XC for me

DubDJ · 25-03-2020 3:54pm

One of the two USB-C ports on my MacBook Pro stopped working after the update. Tried difference cables/devices to make sure it was the port but nothing was recognised. An SMC reset eventually sorted the issue out and it's working again. Strange one though, in the 10 years I've been using macOS this is the first time I've ever had to try reset the SMC to fix an issue.

JonMac · 03-04-2020 4:37pm

My iStat menu isn't working after the latest update 10.15.4. Anyone else?

Griselda · 03-04-2020 6:41pm

Pain in my ring with this.

The Black Oil · 20-04-2020 11:53am

A few times lately I've come back after an hour or two and my iMac's shut itself off completely. There is some sort of error report, but I wasn't able to grab the details to Google it.

The Black Oil · 20-04-2020 12:19pm

OSI wrote: »

Applications -> Utilities -> Console

Have a poke through the logs in there.

Crash Reports - Garmin Express from June 2019.
Spin Reports - nothing.
Log Reports - Some stuff from midday yesterday - Aside from Dropbox and One Drive, there's displaypolicyd.log and IMDPersistenceMerge.og
Diagnostic reports - plugin container, wakeup diags?

whiterebel · 20-04-2020 12:22pm

The Black Oil wrote: »

Crash Reports - Garmin Express from June 2019.
Spin Reports - nothing.
Log Reports - Some stuff from midday yesterday - Aside from Dropbox and One Drive, there's displaypolicyd.log and IMDPersistenceMerge.og
Diagnostic reports - plugin container, wakeup diags?

Catalina?

The Black Oil · 20-04-2020 2:42pm

whiterebel wrote: »

Catalina?

Yep, 10.5.4, incl. the supplemental update that went out recently.

whiterebel · 20-04-2020 6:19pm

I had that, constant Kernel Panics multiple times a day, but it was from the start with Catalina. KPs are gone, but everything else about that software is sh*t.

whiterebel · 20-04-2020 6:27pm

DubDJ wrote: »

Are you using an older machine by any chance? Can't say I've any any major issues with 10.15. During the first release I had the dock disappear once, restart fixed it. Other than that it's been easy going, but I've a new machine so could be the reason why I've had no issues.

Funny enough, booting up is now a lot faster than Mohave for me too, used to stay on the black screen with the Apple logo for a good lot longer than it does now.

Missed this post, DubDJ.

Had it on a 2017 MBP. I was always sorry I sold my Mac mini as the base station, so I bought a 2014 one second hand. Perfect nick, 250MG SSD instead of 500GB HD. Similar problems. I decided it was too little RAM was probably causing it, so I bought a 2017 21.5 iMac. Still the same. Did nunerous re-installs on all machines, and eventually I start fresh with theiMac. Still a total POS. Takes about 15 minutes from startup to access a webpage, or any app. Spinning beachballs constantly. Tried to open 40 Keynote single pages at once......went away had my dinner and came back and still hadn't opened them. I had to shut down, and only run that process. By the looks of it, I'm not the only one......

Tidbits

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DubDJ · 20-04-2020 8:50pm

whiterebel wrote: »

Missed this post, DubDJ.

Had it on a 2017 MBP. I was always sorry I sold my Mac mini as the base station, so I bought a 2014 one second hand. Perfect nick, 250MG SSD instead of 500GB HD. Similar problems. I decided it was too little RAM was probably causing it, so I bought a 2017 21.5 iMac. Still the same. Did nunerous re-installs on all machines, and eventually I start fresh with theiMac. Still a total POS. Takes about 15 minutes from startup to access a webpage, or any app. Spinning beachballs constantly. Tried to open 40 Keynote single pages at once......went away had my dinner and came back and still hadn't opened them. I had to shut down, and only run that process. By the looks of it, I'm not the only one......

Tidbits

The Register

What I do regularly is completely wipe the Mac and start with a fresh re-install, just copy over individual files. So maybe that's the reason I tend not to run up against these sorts or problems. I know everyone hasn't got the same option but I had no issue running it on a 2016 and 2019 MBP.

The Black Oil · 21-04-2020 8:32am

Same again over night.

Doodah7 · 21-04-2020 10:15am

Finally updated my Mac Mini 2014 to Catalina last night. I had put in a 500GB SSD myself previously (not straightforward if you look at iFixit!!). However and for whatever reason the version of Mojave on the drive was HFS and therefore I couldn't do an in situ update to Catalina as the drive was not formatted APFS. Had to do a clean install with a full restore afterwards from Time Machine.

I'm actually glad I did this. Boot time has halved (even with an SSD!!) and everything is back in sync with my MacBook Pro and iDevices.

Bit of a faff all the same!!

The Black Oil · 25-04-2020 1:45pm

I think it's trying to do it all the time now. Wake from sleep and Safari's closed. Firefox is trying to, but can't because it asks if I want to close the tabs. And TextEdit prompts. Very strange.

whiterebel · 27-04-2020 2:05pm

The Black Oil wrote: »

I think it's trying to do it all the time now. Wake from sleep and Safari's closed. Firefox is trying to, but can't because it asks if I want to close the tabs. And TextEdit prompts. Very strange.

I think I stopped it by doing a fresh install of Catalina. Some suggestions that Apple banjaxed the installer by not taking into account different firmware versions, so if you just installed over the previous OS, you got these errors. If you wiped the drive, and started from scratch it seemed to be ok.

whiterebel · 27-04-2020 2:18pm

I uninstalled all 3rd party hardware controllers, such as Logitech and DisplayLink (Dock and extra monitor controller). With them installed it was taking 5-6 minutes from pressing restart in finder to at least seeing Mail(which is unuseable for another 5-6 minutes). Restart now takes about 3 minutes, with the same additional time for Mail.
I ran DFA on the normal HD and it is what you would expect. When I run it on the data -HD it can take 30-40 minutes to run. It seems like the startup disk is corrupted. Still constant spinning beach balls, apps freezing.
The strange thing is, I initially had all this on a MBP 2017 with 8GB ram. I bought a s/h Mini 2014 with 4GB ram. Both of these had exactly the same problems as the iMac above, Both now work flawlessly, despite me not doing fresh installs on them. On the iMac I ended up doing a completely fresh install and wiping of the disks, and I'm still getting the problems. Looks like I'll have to start again and install any apps one at a time to see what is causing the problems.

The Black Oil · 27-04-2020 3:43pm

whiterebel wrote: »

I think I stopped it by doing a fresh install of Catalina. Some suggestions that Apple banjaxed the installer by not taking into account different firmware versions, so if you just installed over the previous OS, you got these errors. If you wiped the drive, and started from scratch it seemed to be ok.

Thanks, sounds like a project for the weekend. Time Machine back up and simply go from there?Safari is staying open for now ish. No real pattern to it that I can see. Haven't checked the logs as I don't really know what to look for but no more crash reports.

Grab All Association · 27-04-2020 6:47pm

whiterebel wrote: »

I uninstalled all 3rd party hardware controllers, such as Logitech and DisplayLink (Dock and extra monitor controller). With them installed it was taking 5-6 minutes from pressing restart in finder to at least seeing Mail(which is unuseable for another 5-6 minutes). Restart now takes about 3 minutes, with the same additional time for Mail.
I ran DFA on the normal HD and it is what you would expect. When I run it on the data -HD it can take 30-40 minutes to run. It seems like the startup disk is corrupted. Still constant spinning beach balls, apps freezing.
The strange thing is, I initially had all this on a MBP 2017 with 8GB ram. I bought a s/h Mini 2014 with 4GB ram. Both of these had exactly the same problems as the iMac above, Both now work flawlessly, despite me not doing fresh installs on them. On the iMac I ended up doing a completely fresh install and wiping of the disks, and I'm still getting the problems. Looks like I'll have to start again and install any apps one at a time to see what is causing the problems.

Is it the entry-level 2017 iMac?
If so, those Hitachi (HGST) HDD Apple use tend to be the bottle neck on these machines.

whiterebel · 27-04-2020 6:55pm

Grab All Association wrote: »

Is it the entry-level 2017 iMac?
If so, those Hitachi (HGST) HDD Apple use tend to be the bottle neck on these machines.

It is, but they can't be that slow, or there would have been a class action lawsuit. I'm talking spinning for 2-10 minutes, apps freezing. Also the Mini and MBP have SSD and suffered the exact same problems. Word could go 20 bounces in the dock every time. Plus add in the amount of time it takes to run DFA on the startup HD.

Sad Professor · 27-04-2020 7:13pm

Sounds to me like your hdd is failing.

whiterebel · 27-04-2020 7:57pm

Sad Professor wrote: »

Sounds to me like your hdd is failing.

At 6 weeks old? That would be very unlucky. Too many stories of similar performance around Catalina.

whiterebel · 29-04-2020 12:10pm

Did a clean install for the 2nd time. Old school, one app install at a time, restart between installs. Schoolboy error to do loads at once. So far, so good. A bit slow starting up, the joys of a HDD, rather than SSD. I'll probably get that changed when all this dies down. I seem to be lucky compared to some of the people that bought really expensive machines and had constant KPs with them.

The Black Oil · 29-04-2020 6:16pm

What's the best way to manage cloud storage if you're doing a fresh install? I've OneDrive with Office. Just trying to think how it would re-sync stuff without making a muck of it.

Using about 65GB at the moment.

Gah, can't even create a memory stick installer. Terminal's telling me to look at this. https://support.apple.com/en-ie/HT208050

Really haven't a clue what I'm doing. Always been wary of Terminal. Getting stuck.

Last login: Wed Apr 29 19:05:25 on ttys000
tbo@TBOs-iMac ~ % --volume
zsh: command not found: --volume
tbo@TBOs-iMac ~ %

And zsh: permission denied

Sigh

The Black Oil · 29-04-2020 10:03pm

OK, if I can't do the USB option and just use the Catalina installer in Applications will that work anyway - not a clean install? Paper over the cracks, then do a clean install, assuming I don't run into any more errors above.

DubDJ · 30-04-2020 12:26am

You could try iCloud Drive if you don’t have a tonne of files. I sync my documents and desktop with iCloud, have less than 50GB so I can use the 99c tier.

The installer should be simple enough. Just follow the Apple guide here [URL] https://support.apple.com/sl-si/HT201372[/URL]

I assume you’re not using the recovery partition for the reinstall for a specific reason.

The Black Oil · 30-04-2020 9:06am

DubDJ wrote: »

You could try iCloud Drive if you don’t have a tonne of files. I sync my documents and desktop with iCloud, have less than 50GB so I can use the 99c tier.

The installer should be simple enough. Just follow the Apple guide here [URL] https://support.apple.com/sl-si/HT201372[/URL]

I assume you’re not using the recovery partition for the reinstall for a specific reason.

Not sure what this means.

In Disk Utility it says External - USBStick and Disk Images InstallESD

Stick has 15GB free

From your link

Use the 'createinstallmedia' command in Terminal
Connect the USB flash drive or other volume that you're using for the bootable installer. Make sure that it has at least 12GB of available storage and is formatted as Mac OS Extended.
Open Terminal, which is in the Utilities folder of your Applications folder.
Type or paste one of the following commands in Terminal. These assume that the installer is still in your Applications folder, and MyVolume is the name of the USB flash drive or other volume you're using. If it has a different name, replace MyVolume in these commands with the name of your volume.

Catalina:*
sudo /Applications/Install\ macOS\ Catalina.app/Contents/Resources/createinstallmedia --volume /Volumes/MyVolume

I'm trying sudo /Applications/Install\ macOS\ Catalina.app/Contents/Resources/createinstallmedia --volume /Volumes/USBStick

/Volumes/USBStick is not a valid volume mount point.
tbo@TBOs-iMac ~ %

Trying to find answers on Google.

brav · 30-04-2020 9:33am

I think what he means is why are you going to all this trouble with installer on mem stick assuming your not IT installing on multiple machines?
Why not install it the normal way from recovery or even internet recovery?
You can erase your drive in recovery and do clean install there if you like, or reinstall over the top

The Black Oil · 30-04-2020 9:39am

brav wrote: »

I think what he means is why are you going to all this trouble with installer on mem stick assuming your not IT installing on multiple machines?
Why not install it the normal way from normal recovery or even internet recovery?

Ah right, I thought USB was the preferred route of doing it.

I can run the Catalina installer (clean install, ideally) without a stick, and then put stuff back from Time Machine?

brav · 30-04-2020 9:49am

The Black Oil wrote: »

Ah right, I thought USB was the preferred route of doing it.

I can run the Catalina installer (clean install, ideally) without a stick, and then put stuff back from Time Machine?

Yes you can boot to recovery, erase drive using disk utility and install from fresh.
If you are doing this because of existing issue be wary that then restoring from recovery could bring the issue back.
You could also choose to just migrate a user back from a back up.
Also you could re install over the top which restores system files and leaves user data and apps, but either way it’s all from recovery.

By the way there are 3 ways of booting to recovery, regular Command + R, Internet recovery(latest version of macOS from apple servers), and original version of macOS OS that came with the Mac available on server, I think Alt + Command + R

DubDJ · 30-04-2020 10:24am

The full guide on reinstalling on Apple’s support site.
[URL] https://support.apple.com/en-ie/guide/mac-help/mchlp1599/mac[/URL]

Btw, the reason the command you posted didn’t work was because you need to change the “USBStick” part with the actual name of the USB you are using, e.g. SANDISK16

The Black Oil · 30-04-2020 10:36am

Thank you.

Well, the issue was it's been restarting itself a few times. That seems to have eased a little, Safari was quitting too. Something a little amiss.

Appreciate your point about potentially recreating the problem.

whiterebel · 30-04-2020 11:46am

The Black Oil wrote: »

Thank you.

Well, the issue was it's been restarting itself a few times. That seems to have eased a little, Safari was quitting too. Something a little amiss.

Appreciate your point about potentially recreating the problem.

Thats exactly what happened to me. And re-installing from Time Machine seemed to bring it all back too. Copy everything you need from your Mac, music, pictures. files etc and erase the drive and start again. You do this by holding cmd+R at start up and using Disk Utility from there. Then introduce apps etc back slowly. Mine has started to slow up again, with spinning beach balls, I think its either down to Box, Synology Drive or One Drive. One of the big threads elsewhere suggested a major problem with Dropbox, so it could be the cloud drives causing problems in general.

The Black Oil · 30-04-2020 2:21pm

whiterebel wrote: »

Thats exactly what happened to me. And re-installing from Time Machine seemed to bring it all back too. Copy everything you need from your Mac, music, pictures. files etc and erase the drive and start again. You do this by holding cmd+R at start up and using Disk Utility from there. Then introduce apps etc back slowly. Mine has started to slow up again, with spinning beach balls, I think its either down to Box, Synology Drive or One Drive. One of the big threads elsewhere suggested a major problem with Dropbox, so it could be the cloud drives causing problems in general.

I reinstalled Catalina without a USB stick earlier on, no harm as a system refresh. Seems to be zippy and going well, I'll keep an eye out if any problems.

I've two HDs, one's for Time Machine, the other if I'm looking at video files on the TV. I started to copy stuff onto the latter and it said it would take 2 days.

Might be better to do it in chunks. One of the things I wasn't sure about was how to copy user profile folders (not not the profile itself) like Movies/Music and how they'd work on a clean Install i.e. if you're dumping stuff from your original iTunes folder. Would it work? Not that I'm bothered about iTunes/Music app, haven't synced by cable in yonks.

whiterebel · 30-04-2020 3:04pm

Just copy across the contents of the music/photos folder, and put them back when it is reinstalled. Apple Mail is more complex.

macOS 10.15 Catalina

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