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Arrow/The Flash/Legends of Tomorrow/Supergirl SUPERTHREAD [***SPOILERS - The CW***]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,194 ✭✭✭✭RobbingBandit


    Current Eobard is the one that originally traveled back in time to kill Norah Allen, when Barry stopped him he put him in a cell causing Flashpoint when Barry set him free to fix Flashpoint he created a time duplication paradox of Eobard who now exisits in the speed force, the black racer is chasing this Eobard so he can stay in one place in time for short bursts only.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭TonyD79


    Would commenting on Oliver's bearded Russian friend be a spoiler? Didn't realise who Anatoly was until I googled him!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,123 ✭✭✭EoinMcLovin


    TonyD79 wrote: »
    Would commenting on Oliver's bearded Russian friend be a spoiler? Didn't realise who Anatoly was until I googled him!

    Yeah I think the version in Arrow has no relation to the versions
    in the comics (KGBeast) or in Batman Vs Superman
    , it's just a name they used for the show.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,503 ✭✭✭✭Also Starring LeVar Burton


    I'm not sure if The Flash has declined in quality or if Arrow, Legends and Supergirl have improved so much since last season that they're making The Flash pale in comparison.

    My ranking of all 4 shows at this point in the season is;

    1) Arrow
    2) Legends of Tomorrow
    3) Supergirl
    4) The Flash


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,905 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Legends of Tomorrow miles ahead of the rest of them for me.


    Then Arrow.


    And a long way behind Supergirl followed by The Flash


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,689 ✭✭✭sky88


    would go

    legends
    arrow
    supergirl
    flash

    flash has had a disappointing season were there rushing through a lot of stuff.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,115 ✭✭✭✭Nervous Wreck


    I still can't get back on board with Arrow. I don't like the new team, they're still trying too hard with the grim dark and the storylines just repeat ad nauseum.

    Flash has been disappointing this season but at least there's still been some fun to it.

    Legends has been weirdly great, I'm really surprised at how much they pulled it out of the bag.

    I only watched the first episode of S2 of Supergirl but it really was great.

    It seems like such a weird turnaround overall...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,767 ✭✭✭Ben Gadot


    The Flash has been found out I think. It's still watchable but it has used the same formulaic storytelling in all 3 seasons which is basically this:

    1. Establish a mysterious villain.
    2. Faff episodes interspersed with strong episodes focusing on the core storyline.
    3. Mid season cliffhanger.
    4. Faff episodes interspersed with strong episodes focusing on the core storyline.
    5. The real villain exposed in the run in leading to a strong 2 or 3 final episodes.

    It's stale at this stage.

    The Wests get way too much focus now and that includes even Joe. All he seems to do these days is go through the same melodrama with his kids and Barry. At least in previous seasons you could see his active role within the force but that's non existent now.

    As for his kids, I think it says it all that most fans seem to give not one **** about one of them possibly dying.

    I'd much rather the focus that's put on them is redirected to Cisco's development into either a hero/villain and better explaining of Killer Frost (because right now it just seems like a laughable split personality type deal where Cait turns all evils with the change of her eyes).


  • Registered Users Posts: 48,990 ✭✭✭✭Lithium93_


    Cody Rhodes
    returning for Arrow 5x21


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,870 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    Pity he's left the WWE because that angle was fun.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 48,990 ✭✭✭✭Lithium93_


    Pity he's left the WWE because that angle was fun.

    It was, but he HATED the character, he's doing alright for himself in Ring Of Honor and New Japan Pro Wrestling.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,905 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    I wish they would stop with killing of people across the Arrowverse as I can only think of one cast member who has stayed dead and not come back in anyway.

    That being Moria Queen.


    A cast member being killed off should be shocking event not a every couple of weeks occurrent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,315 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    God that Flash Duet episode was just terrible. I know the actors no doubt loved it because there would have been very little cgi needed and because they got to wear something instead of there usual costumes but a musical really? A crime gang style episode would have been better and all the ingredients were there for it but instead they do a musical with two lovers that have fathers who are crime lords lol.
    I just don,t do musicals sorry don,t see what all the fuss is about they are always terrible and overhyped.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,123 ✭✭✭EoinMcLovin


    First look of Black Lightning

    BLACK-LIGHTNING-First-Look-Image.jpg?auto=format&cs=tinysrgb&q=20&w=533&h=800&fit=crop&dpr=1.5


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,905 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    So has Luifer joined this Universe

    tvqs-lucifer-delete.jpg?w=700&h=


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,767 ✭✭✭Ben Gadot


    That poster......SUBTLE.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,305 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke



    Imagine the fun that Lucifer could have in the DCEU, i'd love to see him "ask" Oliver what his deepest darkest desire is, would at least answer a question/statement he made in the most recent episode about what kind of person he is...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,905 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    They are saying it's not part of the Arrowverse yet but as it's on the CW I guess it will be at some stage so here is Black Lighting.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,115 ✭✭✭✭Nervous Wreck


    That actually looks great!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    not part of the Arrowverse yet but as it's on the CW I guess it will be at some stage
    They even talk about "Their City"!!! :D

    Get out of town!


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  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 25,870 Mod ✭✭✭✭Doctor DooM


    That looks really good!


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,067 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    So going by that 1 of 3 things happen
    1) There are 2 black Lightening

    2) The father retires after a few episodes

    3) The daughters powers will be somewhat different

    but spoiler on it incase people did not watch it wanting to be surprised


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,767 ✭✭✭Ben Gadot


    Thought the early part of the trailer looked promising, by the end it became a bit naff and by the numbers. An interesting premise nonetheless.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,123 ✭✭✭EoinMcLovin


    So going by that 1 of 3 things happen
    1) There are 2 black Lightening

    2) The father retires after a few episodes

    3) The daughters powers will be somewhat different

    but spoiler on it incase people did not watch it wanting to be surprised

    Well in the comics
    his daughters become heroes called Thunder and Lightning and I doubt he would retire after a few episodes. He will probably end up discovering they have powers and either forbid them from using them or train them


  • Registered Users Posts: 48,990 ✭✭✭✭Lithium93_


    Return dates for the shows
    Supergirl Season 3 - October 9th
    The Flash Season 4 - October 10th.
    Legends Of Tomorrow Season 3 - also October 10th, right after The Flash.
    Arrow Season 6 starts October 12th.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    Ah here! I've sooo many episodes to catch up on still!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,905 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Looks like Black Lightning will be part of the Universe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,123 ✭✭✭EoinMcLovin




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,123 ✭✭✭EoinMcLovin


    This year's crossover event will run over two nights instead of 4 with Arrow airing after Supergirl on the Monday followed by The Flash and Legends of Tomorrow the following day
    http://tvline.com/2017/08/02/arrow-flash-supergirl-legends-crossover-november-2017/


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  • Registered Users Posts: 130 ✭✭spartacus815


    Hey Guys. I just set up this group page about the arrowverse. Hope you guys can join https://www.facebook.com/groups/484177625281207/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,905 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Kirk Acevedo joins the cast of Arrow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    Uh oh! :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 48,990 ✭✭✭✭Lithium93_


    Title and synopsis of the 4 show crossover has been revealed as, and spoiler tagged for those who like to be surprised.

    Synopsis
    With all of the heroes in town to celebrate Barry and Iris's wedding, villains from Earth-X crash the festivities with a deadly agenda.
    Crisis on Earth-X
    , it'll
    pit the heroes of the Arrowverse against evil doppelgangers of themselves from Earth-X, a universe where the Nazis won World War II


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,123 ✭✭✭EoinMcLovin


    Lithium93_ wrote: »
    Title and synopsis of the 4 show crossover has been revealed as, and spoiler tagged for those who like to be surprised.

    Synopsis
    With all of the heroes in town to celebrate Barry and Iris's wedding, villains from Earth-X crash the festivities with a deadly agenda.
    Crisis on Earth-X
    , it'll
    pit the heroes of the Arrowverse against evil doppelgangers of themselves from Earth-X, a universe where the Nazis won World War II

    Connected to this news, There is actually going to be
    an animated series like the Vixen one starring The Ray and will be set in Earth X

    https://youtu.be/ugDHT-A5CGw


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 164 ✭✭The Moleman


    I love Arrow, The Flash and Supergirl but they suffer from quite few problems that are easily solved but instead the producers add to the issues.

    The three heroes have too much of a support staff and too many people know their secret identities. And it just keeps growing.

    And the writers on the Flash really struggle with the season long arcs - the Zoom and Savitar were just dragged out for the sake of it. Joe's two kids are selfish nobs all the time* and there is no explanation for this great romance between Barry and Iris for which Barry would destroy timelines. Plus why is Joe cool with his daughter having a relationship with the guy he raised as a son?. Why is Wally on the show? What is the point of two speedsters? Why is Iris always in STAR Labs when she has nothing to contribute but Barry repeatedly claims she is valuable. And why is Caitlin Snow the only person who turns just by using a superpower? And enough speedster villains already.

    * Henry gets released from prison and Iris' reaction to the news is how it affects Joe's place as Barry's "father"? Wally pouts the his girlfriend would want to live in her own dimension and gives no thought to moving there himself?

    Legends of Tomorrow is mess. The time travel is dull, has no impact on the Arrowverse and doesn't even follow it's own rules. And they are supposed to be superheroes, not cheap Doctor Who knock offs. Which is shame because Victor Garber and Dominic Purcell are great. Legends should actually be a Justice Society series or an anthology series of four/five episodes arcs devoted to introducing other DC heroes and villains. White Canary, Heatwave and Firestorm are wasted in time travel nonsense. I stopped watching with the Camelot episode - I'd had enough of Ray Palmer and the historian guy constantly finding things in each episode that were they're dreams a a child:rolleyes: but is Damien Darkh on the team now or is he the villain for the next season?

    Also Arrowverse producers, it is okay for some of the characters who die to stay dead. Even the fun ones like Drakh.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,230 ✭✭✭jaxxx


    I love Arrow, The Flash and Supergirl but they suffer from quite few problems that are easily solved but instead the producers add to the issues.

    The three heroes have too much of a support staff and too many people know their secret identities. And it just keeps growing.


    And the writers on the Flash really struggle with the season long arcs - the Zoom and Savitar were just dragged out for the sake of it. Joe's two kids are selfish nobs all the time* and there is no explanation for this great romance between Barry and Iris for which Barry would destroy timelines. Plus why is Joe cool with his daughter having a relationship with the guy he raised as a son?. Why is Wally on the show? What is the point of two speedsters? Why is Iris always in STAR Labs when she has nothing to contribute but Barry repeatedly claims she is valuable. And why is Caitlin Snow the only person who turns just by using a superpower? And enough speedster villains already.

    * Henry gets released from prison and Iris' reaction to the news is how it affects Joe's place as Barry's "father"? Wally pouts the his girlfriend would want to live in her own dimension and gives no thought to moving there himself?

    Legends of Tomorrow is mess. The time travel is dull, has no impact on the Arrowverse and doesn't even follow it's own rules. And they are supposed to be superheroes, not cheap Doctor Who knock offs. Which is shame because Victor Garber and Dominic Purcell are great. Legends should actually be a Justice Society series or an anthology series of four/five episodes arcs devoted to introducing other DC heroes and villains. White Canary, Heatwave and Firestorm are wasted in time travel nonsense. I stopped watching with the Camelot episode - I'd had enough of Ray Palmer and the historian guy constantly finding things in each episode that were they're dreams a a childrolleyes.png but is Damien Darkh on the team now or is he the villain for the next season?

    Also Arrowverse producers, it is okay for some of the characters who die to stay dead. Even the fun ones like Drakh.

    That is my biggest gripe with the shows, all of them. I only really watch Flash and Arrow. Supergirl I skip through most of it and I don't watch Legends at all, just keep up with the story on wikipedia. I don't mind the whole "support staff" team on Flash. I love Cisco/Wells/Caitlin/Joe (Wally and Iris p**s me off). But Arrow has become ridiculous. All those new team members last season annoyed the hell outta me. "Mr.Terrific" who was more 'Mr.Joke', nothing terrific about him. And WildDog was just annoying. Hopefully to god some of them have been killed off after the season finale.

    My biggest gripe with Supergirl is how underpowered they've made J'onn. He's one of the strongest members of the Justice League but they've nerfed him to hell in the show whenever he fights. Yeah, that whole "everyone knows everyones secret identity" thing is plain stupid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 164 ✭✭The Moleman


    jaxxx wrote: »
    That is my biggest gripe with the shows, all of them. I only really watch Flash and Arrow. Supergirl I skip through most of it and I don't watch Legends at all, just keep up with the story on wikipedia. I don't mind the whole "support staff" team on Flash. I love Cisco/Wells/Caitlin/Joe (Wally and Iris p**s me off). But Arrow has become ridiculous. All those new team members last season annoyed the hell outta me. "Mr.Terrific" who was more 'Mr.Joke', nothing terrific about him. And WildDog was just annoying. Hopefully to god some of them have been killed off after the season finale.

    My biggest gripe with Supergirl is how underpowered they've made J'onn. He's one of the strongest members of the Justice League but they've nerfed him to hell in the show whenever he fights. Yeah, that whole "everyone knows everyones secret identity" thing is plain stupid.

    I like Joe and the STAR Labs crew too but Barry is a superhero and is supposed to be highly intelligent himself yet he can't really function without them. And he should be able too. They are in his ear and instructing him even when he is just doing regular crime fighting.

    It would make more sense if they were allies he turned occasionally. This would give the show more space to develop villains and even Barry's dual life. And possible give Iris a reason for being on the show. Wally is a character who should have been introduced in the final season and he should be a teenager, not some pouting child who "becomes fast because wants to be fast".:rolleyes:

    Team Arrow was just fine with Felicity at the computers and Diggle giving moral support and the occasional back up, but he didn't need to suit up. Oliver having a sidekick made sense and Roy/Arsenal wasn't rushed. I'd have preferred if Thea had remained a civilian if only for the sake of not having everyone as hero or villain. I like Wild Dog, Artemis, Ragman and the new Black Canary but like STAR Labs they don't need to be on a permanent team. Artemis could have been a sidekick turned traitor and Wild Dog could be a pain in the ass vigilante that Green Arrow tolerates and has a some time ally. Calling Mr. Terrific a joke is too kind - he is pointless as a superhero but would be okay as an occasional gadget man. Wild Dog, Artemis, etc. should just cross Oliver's path occasionally, or even have adventures within but separate to the main story. Even give them the occasional solo episode.

    I don't understand Berlanti and crew's desperate need to put every character in suit and superpowers.

    J'onn whole presence in Supergirl doesn't really make sense. He took Henshaw's place but for ten years relentlessly hunted dangerous and innocent aliens alike and behaved like a bigot. He made no effort to use the opportunity to make things better until his real identity was revealed. Then the personality changed.

    The producers just made the show too cluttered. The DEO was unesscesary - make it about Kara's work and personal life, fighting crime and aliens with Alex an NSA agent who uses her position to make sure Kara is never discovered and the two occasionally back up each other. Save all the money spend on DEO extras and sets for better things.

    The non-superhero side of superheroes is important too - both identities need to cause difficulties for each other. Movies don't really get the time for that but TV should.

    Marvel did this perfectly with Daredevil. Arrow has done okay with this too a few times but need more - Ollie stuck in council meetings during a crime spree, Diggle at home with no major drama and Thea doing something.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,905 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Three shows back this week so far and just not feeling any of them I enjoyed Supergirl but it was depressing The Flash was just sh1te and Legends something felt off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,230 ✭✭✭jaxxx


    Three shows back this week so far and just not feeling any of them I enjoyed Supergirl but it was depressing The Flash was just sh1te and Legends something felt off.

    Didn't even bother wasting my time with Supergirl and Legends. As for Flash... ugh. Did you see the promo for next week's Flash? I swear they're purposely triggering my hatred for Iris. "You're not the Flash Barry, we are" (we being the team). OMFG WHY COULDN'T SHE DIE LAST SEASON FFS! She is the most useless member of 'the team', she literally has no purpose/use whatso-bloody-ever. ARGH AND SHE'S SAYING SH*T LIKE THIS, WOULD YOU F**K OFF!

    *calm Jaxxx, calm... take a chill pill...*


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,067 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    jaxxx wrote: »
    Didn't even bother wasting my time with Supergirl and Legends. As for Flash... ugh. Did you see the promo for next week's Flash? I swear they're purposely triggering my hatred for Iris. "You're not the Flash Barry, we are" (we being the team). OMFG WHY COULDN'T SHE DIE LAST SEASON FFS! She is the most useless member of 'the team', she literally has no purpose/use whatso-bloody-ever. ARGH AND SHE'S SAYING SH*T LIKE THIS, WOULD YOU F**K OFF!

    *calm Jaxxx, calm... take a chill pill...*

    WOW take the caffeine away.

    I did not see Supergirl I think its a bit hit and miss some episodes are good others are fine.

    Flash was a bit slow at the start but it has at least got less serious and going back to season 1 funny parts (Kid Flash speaking Japanese, Thia house is so B$%^%in) but with Iris and Kid Flash I see why they had to have Grant Guston back so quick. Iris does not trigger me the way she does you:o:o (Will not even ask you about the other lady in the other show).

    Legends I admit did disappoint as the ending was so quick
    (but Sara and that Lady Time Lady will be getting together that and she works for the Big Bad I think)
    . I am not a fan of Maya though. You can see that Rip was hoping they would come back to help out especially with whoever the Big Bad is

    So going by see reviews of Supergirl and watching the other 2 and waiting for Arrow I give it 6/7 out of 10 but expect it to get better


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,503 ✭✭✭✭Also Starring LeVar Burton


    My interest with both Supergirl and The Flash began waning a bit last season, and I thought both premieres were fairly 'meh', but hopefully both shows can pick up again as the season progresses.

    I enjoyed the Legends premiere a lot - maybe not quite on a par with how epic the majority of last season was, but it had some solid moments and the gang is mostly back together, so I was happy overall.

    Of course the one I'm most excited for is Arrow tomorrow night. It had the strongest finale last season and really got it's groove back in Season 5, so I'm hoping they keep up that with Season 6.

    Arrow and Legends are the two I'm most invested in and will definitely continue watching every week, whereas the other two had become a bit of a chore to keep up with but will keep with them until at least the big crossover towards the end of November to see how they shape up this season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,905 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Well that's it all four started and being honest all four were from really bad to just plan average.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,905 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Mick is the best thing in the four shows.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,905 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    ‘The Flash’ Showrunner Andrew Kreisberg Suspended Amid Sexual Harassment Allegations
    Andrew Kreisberg, co-creator/executive producer of the CW/Warner Bros TV DC series The Flash, Supergirl, Legends of Tomorrow and Arrow, has been suspended from his duties by the studio today over allegations of sexual harassment, with WBTV launching an internal investigation.

    “We have recently been made aware of allegations of misconduct against Andrew Kreisberg,” Warner Bros. TV Group said in a statement Friday night. “We have suspended Mr. Kreisberg and are conducting an internal investigation. We take all allegations of misconduct extremely seriously, and are committed to creating a safe working environment for our employees and everyone involved in our productions.

    Kreisberg has been one of the top lieutenants of Greg Berlanti, the boss of the CW/DC universe. He has been a key auspice on all DC series, with primary focus on serving as showrunner of The Flash.

    “We were recently made aware of some deeply troubling allegations regarding one of our showrunners,” Berlanti Prods.’ principals Greg Berlanti and Sarah Schechter said in a statement. “We have been encouraging and fully cooperating with the investigation into this by Warner Bros.

    “There is nothing more important to us than the safety and well-being of our cast, crew, writers, producers and any staff,” they added. “We do not tolerate harassment and are committed to doing everything we can to make an environment that’s safe to work in and safe to speak up about if it isn’t.”

    http://deadline.com/2017/11/andrew-kreisberg-suspended-sexual-harassment-allegations-1202206230/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,194 ✭✭✭✭RobbingBandit


    Arrow and Flash both name dropped a certain airline this past week

    Could be an easter egg or something more.


  • Registered Users Posts: 48,990 ✭✭✭✭Lithium93_


    Arrow and Flash both name dropped a certain airline this past week

    Could be an easter egg or something more.
    Ferris air
    ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 48,990 ✭✭✭✭Lithium93_


    Trailer for the crossover



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,123 ✭✭✭EoinMcLovin


    Can’t wait for it and it looks like this year it’s going to be like one big movie. Are people going to watch the first two parts on Tuesday and then the final two the next day or watch all 4 in one sitting.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Given I still neither watch Arrow or Legends..., I suspect once again I'm going to be a little confused as to who is who, and what their deal is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,283 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    pixelburp wrote: »
    Given I still neither watch Arrow or Legends..., I suspect once again I'm going to be a little confused as to who is who, and what their deal is.

    Legends is awesome. Season 1 was mostly a dud, but since then it's been consistently great and works so well.

    Haven't seen any Arrow since Season 3 (bar last season's crossover episode) and never watched Supergirl (again, bar the first crossover episode with the Flash). But Legends is well worth watching.


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