Covid-19 likely to be man made

moonage · 09-05-2021 7:45pm

From Sky News Australia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuKPBur_TiI

tara73 · 10-05-2021 8:39am

King Mob, are you paid by boards to fight tooth and nail against everey so called 'conspiracy theory' here or I've seen it in other forums too. No 5 minutes somebody posts something here for the idea the virus could be manmade and you're frantically trying to rebut it. Weird in itself and definately an agenda.

For posters, I would recommend to ignore this poster to freely discuss this interesting posts and links here which are giving very valid information in questioning the origin of this virus and everybody can decide themselves what could be in the realms of possibility and what not.

Please note, I highlighted the word could!. Because afaics, people here discussing the possibility in a very adult, also scientific manner. Some people with professional knowledge in virology posted here! Nobody here is saying it is manmade and escaped from the lab!

robinph · 10-05-2021 8:51am

tara73 wrote: »

King Mob, are you paid by boards to fight tooth and nail against everey so called 'conspiracy theory' here or I've seen it in other forums too. No 5 minutes somebody posts something here for the idea the virus could be manmade and you're frantically trying to rebut it. Weird in itself and definately an agenda.

For posters, I would recommend to ignore this poster to freely discuss this interesting posts and links here which are giving very valid information in questioning the origin of this virus and everybody can decide themselves what could be in the realms of possibility and what not.

Significantly more likely that conspiracy theorists posting links to blogs and you tube channels where money is made from advertising are the ones getting paid, rather than people posting links to scientific papers and reputable news websites that don't carry sponsorship or have affiliate marketing.

King Mob · 10-05-2021 1:38pm

robinph wrote: »

Significantly more likely that conspiracy theorists posting links to blogs and you tube channels where money is made from advertising are the ones getting paid, rather than people posting links to scientific papers and reputable news websites that don't carry sponsorship or have affiliate marketing.

I'm genuinely curious what people believe I'm paid and by whom and how.

political analyst · 10-05-2021 8:05pm

King Mob wrote: »

Yes, but some outlets, like the Daily Mail like to sensationalise things to draw clicks and eyes.

The best thing to do is to actually look at the source document.

Given that you've ignored my question completely twice now, I assume that you haven't actually looked at the source document.
Right?

That is correct.

Mic 1972 · 14-05-2021 8:35pm

NaFirinne wrote: »

How can anyone provide direct evidence when no one is allowed too investigate the lab outside of the same people who have motive to hide the truth.

There is plenty of circumstantial evidence....They very fact that the virus started in wuhan which has a lab directly experimenting on gain of function viruses.

The fact that they were gathering bats all the way from south china to specifically carry out experimentation on coronaviruses and developing actively developing these coronaviruses to have the highest possible infectivity for human cells.

The research being done in wuhan on coronaviruses has been sealed up by the Chinese government.

If there not hiding anything why are they sealing these up?

It doesn't matter what questions are answered you have you default replies well rehearsed to point out no one answers any questions.

Well no offical organisation is asking the hard questions and looking for answers from the Chinese government.

Agree 100%

King Mob · 15-05-2021 2:11pm

moonage wrote: »

From Sky News Australia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuKPBur_TiI

So here's a better video that kinda breaks down this story and it's original source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-A_OPWa5VI

In the video he shows that the headline isn't very accurate.
it's not so much "Secret leaked Chinese document shows that they were planning to weaponise and release a modified virus."
It's more like "publicly available Chinese book available on Amazon discusses the idea that a modified virus can be released on China by a different country."#
It then also apparently goes on to explain how the previous SARS pandemic was actually a conspiracy involving America and Taiwan.

The video also highlights a really funny part from that Sky News report where she talks about the book author's wild insane conspiracy theories that the other pandemic was caused by a man made virus.
(At about 4:30 in the original video.)
Which is just hilariously hypocritical.

It's also a bit odd for conspiracy theorists here to be fully backing a story which seems to have been spun out of nothing and pretty much in the News Corp sphere...

Timberrrrrrrr · 15-05-2021 2:26pm

King Mob wrote: »

So here's a better video that kinda breaks down this story and it's original source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-A_OPWa5VI

In the video he shows that the headline isn't very accurate.
it's not so much "Secret leaked Chinese document shows that they were planning to weaponise and release a modified virus."
It's more like "publicly available Chinese book available on Amazon discusses the idea that a modified virus can be released on China by a different country."#
It then also apparently goes on to explain how the previous SARS pandemic was actually a conspiracy involving America and Taiwan.

The video also highlights a really funny part from that Sky News report where she talks about the book author's wild insane conspiracy theories that the other pandemic was caused by a man made virus.
(At about 4:30 in the original video.)
Which is just hilariously hypocritical.

It's also a bit odd for conspiracy theorists here to be fully backing a story which seems to have been spun out of nothing and pretty much in the News Corp sphere...

It's hilarious how the conspiracy theorists say you can't believe the auld MSM and then constantly post shìte from sky news Australia :pac:

King Mob · 15-05-2021 2:45pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

It's hilarious how the conspiracy theorists say you can't believe the auld MSM and then constantly post shìte from sky news Australia :pac:

Or Fox News...
Or the Daily Mail...
Or Russia Today...

PintOfView · 15-05-2021 3:21pm

King Mob wrote: »

So here's a better video that kinda breaks down this story and it's original source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-A_OPWa5VI

In the video he shows that the headline isn't very accurate.
it's not so much "Secret leaked Chinese document shows that they were planning to weaponise and release a modified virus."
It's more like "publicly available Chinese book available on Amazon discusses the idea that a modified virus can be released on China by a different country."#
It then also apparently goes on to explain how the previous SARS pandemic was actually a conspiracy involving America and Taiwan.

The video also highlights a really funny part from that Sky News report where she talks about the book author's wild insane conspiracy theories that the other pandemic was caused by a man made virus.
(At about 4:30 in the original video.)
Which is just hilariously hypocritical.

It's also a bit odd for conspiracy theorists here to be fully backing a story which seems to have been spun out of nothing and pretty much in the News Corp sphere...

Well done in exposing that clearly.

When I watched the skynews Australia video I was surprised that she was plugging her own book
but it was only when I checked I realised that 'Sky News Australia' is not connected to 'Sky News',
but instead the Australian version is owned by Rupert Murdoch, and is in the same stable as Fox News.
Looks like they have the same disregard for the truth as Fox News!

igCorcaigh · 23-05-2021 8:42pm

More evidence for the lab leak theory?

https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1396550784599396352

NaFirinne · 24-05-2021 10:36am

Fauci starting to backtrack now on the Virus origins - lets see if this leads anywhere in the future.

https://twitter.com/Chellaney/status/1396362253943730176

King Mob · 24-05-2021 11:07am

NaFirinne wrote: »

Fauci starting to backtrack now on the Virus origins - lets see if this leads anywhere in the future.

https://twitter.com/Chellaney/status/1396362253943730176

More misrepresenting from Twitter cranks.

All while leaving all the points in this thread unanswered.

EyesClosed · 24-05-2021 11:20am

NaFirinne wrote: »

Fauci starting to backtrack now on the Virus origins - lets see if this leads anywhere in the future.

https://twitter.com/Chellaney/status/1396362253943730176

Stop believing everything you read on twitter... At least look up the context. Ohh look a tweet.. Its must be true so... No... No, stop that, its silly

splashuum · 24-05-2021 4:29pm

Hilarious seeing the truth come out. The “DeBuNkeRZ” must be livid.

splashuum · 24-05-2021 4:31pm

Pretty hilarious seeing the truth come out. The “DeBuNkeRZ” must be raging.

Timberrrrrrrr · 24-05-2021 4:48pm

NaFirinne wrote: »

Fauci starting to backtrack now on the Virus origins - lets see if this leads anywhere in the future.

https://twitter.com/Chellaney/status/1396362253943730176

Claims he says

"No, I'm not convinced" virus arose naturally".

He doesn't say that.

banie01 · 24-05-2021 4:53pm

splashuum wrote: »

Hilarious seeing the truth come out. The “DeBuNkeRZ” must be livid.

There's no Truth out yet, there are reports of 3 November 2019 hospitalisations but still no causal link between those(or confirmation of them) and Covid-19 being lab created.

Now that's not to say it isn't.
The evidence discussed earlier in this thread was "best available" that's what science and consensus works on.
Not the poorly written standard of paper that sparked of this thread.
The evidence presented by Dr Yan in support of her thesis is poor and the peer reviews of her paper support that stance.

Her paper presented zero credible evidence, that's why it was debunked and dismissed.
Holding a position that her paper and indeed her evidence don't support her claims is how science works.

If new evidence is presented, and the claims of 3 hospitalisations are backed up by cell culture or DNA footprint of their infection matching up with the original Covid 19 strain then that would be proof of early Covid 19 infection before the outbreaks became established.

It still isn't an immediate smoking gun though. 3 colleagues catch the same illness.
They may spend a lot of time with each other, and 1 of them may have been infected by a "wild occurring" infection. That may seem to be a hugely coincidental stretch considering the claim is that they also work at the Wuhan lab, but it's not impossible.
And correlation is not causation.

And those infections if confirmed?
Would still be 2 months later than the 1st confirmed cases in Italy.
Covid 19 antibodies were confirmed in samples taken in September 2019 as part of a review of samples taken for a Lung cancer study.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/11/coronavirus-italy-covid-19-pandemic-europe-date-antibodies-study/

Having a feeling that China created the virus?
Is not the same as presenting both a cogent thesis and actual proof that they did.

The WHO and Intel agencies will no doubt be very interested in getting their hands on the 3 patients samples and records from their admission.

Debunking poor science, is not saying it's not their fault.
It's seeking actual and credible proof that they are.

24-05-2021 5:26pm

tunguska wrote: »

This is eerily similar to Stephen King's The Stand.

In that it's a complete work of fiction?

mcsean2163 wrote: »

Stanford spreading conspiracy theories too.

https://www.pnas.org/content/117/47/29246

It's astonishing how many high ranking institutions and scientists are involved in this elaborate conspiracy theory.

That link doesn't say what you claim it is saying. You are misrepresenting the content of the report to lend credence to your position, when it does no such thing and actually backs up what Kingmob has been saying. A direct quote, by way of explanation:

Even though strong opinions abound, none of these scenarios can be confidently ruled in or ruled out with currently available facts.

Those scenarios mentioned are:
1. SARS-CoV-2 may have evolved in bats and then spread directly, or indirectly via an intermediate host, to humans through natural mechanisms
2. SARS-CoV-2....may have been collected by humans from a bat or other animal and then brought to a laboratory where it was stored...and perhaps manipulated genetically to understand its biological properties, and then released accidentally.
3. The third scenario, seemingly much less likely, involves laboratory manipulation or release, with the clear intention of causing harm

So, you appear to be using this as a smoking gun to determine that it was 100% manmade, when the report pours water on such theories. That is incredibly dishonest. Claiming that Stanford are now supporting the man-made theory is incorrect.

Mic 1972 · 25-05-2021 8:37am

NaFirinne wrote: »

Fauci starting to backtrack now on the Virus origins - lets see if this leads anywhere in the future.

https://twitter.com/Chellaney/status/1396362253943730176

He finally changed his tune

mcsean2163 · 25-05-2021 9:28am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

In that it's a complete work of fiction?

That link doesn't say what you claim it is saying. You are misrepresenting the content of the report to lend credence to your position, when it does no such thing and actually backs up what Kingmob has been saying. A direct quote, by way of explanation:

Those scenarios mentioned are:
1. SARS-CoV-2 may have evolved in bats and then spread directly, or indirectly via an intermediate host, to humans through natural mechanisms
2. SARS-CoV-2....may have been collected by humans from a bat or other animal and then brought to a laboratory where it was stored...and perhaps manipulated genetically to understand its biological properties, and then released accidentally.
3. The third scenario, seemingly much less likely, involves laboratory manipulation or release, with the clear intention of causing harm

So, you appear to be using this as a smoking gun to determine that it was 100% manmade, when the report pours water on such theories. That is incredibly dishonest. Claiming that Stanford are now supporting the man-made theory is incorrect.

2+2!=47753268

If you look back, you'll see i said all the possibilities should be explored.

If you can leave your rudeness/ extremism at the door, civil discussion forum here.

https://www.reddit.com/r/covid19origin

Mullaghteelin · 25-05-2021 9:40am

https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2021/05/24/fauci-not-convinced-covid-19-coronavirus-developed-naturally-sot-vpx-newday.cnn
Fauci "not convinced" covid developed naturally.
Tubridy should get him back onto the Late Late.

King Mob · 25-05-2021 10:15am

So what new studies have been published that indicate a lab based origin?

Or is it just more twitter and out of context quotes?

Dohnjoe · 25-05-2021 12:14pm

splashuum wrote: »

Pretty hilarious seeing the truth come out. The “DeBuNkeRZ” must be raging.

Nothing has come out.

25-05-2021 12:57pm

mcsean2163 wrote: »

2+2!=47753268

If you look back, you'll see i said all the possibilities should be explored.

If you can leave your rudeness/ extremism at the door, civil discussion forum here.

https://www.reddit.com/r/covid19origin

A few points:

-Keep shilling your subreddit all you want.
-I have been nothing but civil to you and your, frankly, baseless claims.
-You claimed Stanford were spreading conspiracy theories (they are not)
-You are deliberately misrepresenting what was said in the article you linked.
-You even said that it was astonishing how many high ranking institutions are involved in this elaborate conspiracy about it being man-made, directly after you linked to the article where they categorically state that the man-made origin is the least likely of all possible origins.
-I've no idea how you could call my last post "extremist", though your track record of misrepresentation might explain that one.
-There are people who hold the opinion that claiming something is true, attempting to back that up with a link, finding out the link doesn't say what they think it says , and then sticking their fingers in their ears while doubling down and refusing to budge an inch is a perfect example of extremism.

25-05-2021 1:06pm

Mullaghteelin wrote: »

https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2021/05/24/fauci-not-convinced-covid-19-coronavirus-developed-naturally-sot-vpx-newday.cnn
Fauci "not convinced" covid developed naturally.
Tubridy should get him back onto the Late Late.

Fauci says he doesn't know the origin and thinks it should be investigated. He can't rule out it being man-made, just like everybody else on the planet, but that part is picked up and highlighted to generate clicks. Now watch all the usual cockroaches from the underbelly of the internet come crawling out to misrepresent what he said in an attempt to make it look like Chinese authorities are trying to kill us all.

When this happens, check and see what their opinion of Fauci was when he clashed with Trump. I'd wager their impression of Fauci hinges very much on whether or not his current stance fits in with their own world view.

mcsean2163 · 25-05-2021 1:10pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

A few points:

-Keep shilling your subreddit all you want.
-I have been nothing but civil to you and your, frankly, baseless claims.
-You claimed Stanford were spreading conspiracy theories (they are not)
-You are deliberately misrepresenting what was said in the article you linked.
-You even said that it was astonishing how many high ranking institutions are involved in this elaborate conspiracy about it being man-made, directly after you linked to the article where they categorically state that the man-made origin is the least likely of all possible origins.
-I've no idea how you could call my last post "extremist", though your track record of misrepresentation might explain that one.
-There are people who hold the opinion that claiming something is true, attempting to back that up with a link, finding out the link doesn't say what they think it says , and then sticking their fingers in their ears while doubling down and refusing to budge an inch is a perfect example of extremism.

It might bean idea to have a cup of tea.

Here is Mr Relman more recently

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2021/05/david-relman-on-investigating-origin-of-coronavirus.html

All scientists need to acknowledge a simple fact: Humans are fallible, and laboratory accidents happen — far more often than we care to admit. Several years ago, an investigative reporter uncovered evidence of hundreds of lab accidents across the United States involving dangerous, disease-causing microbes in academic institutions and government centers of excellence alike — including the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the National Institutes of Health.

Please don't respond, I don't want to engage further with your rudeness.

mcsean2163 · 25-05-2021 1:17pm

King Mob wrote: »

So what new studies have been published that indicate a lab based origin?

Or is it just more twitter and out of context quotes?

Wall Street journal had an interesting expose in the last week. The head of WHO Dr Tedros said lab leak warranted further investigation. Former head of CDC said in his estimation it was a lab leak. It's pretty mainstream now. DYOR, etc.

Cheerio, I'm sure you have pressing bullying business to attend.

Dohnjoe · 25-05-2021 1:20pm

mcsean2163 wrote: »

It might bean idea to have a cup of tea.

Here is Mr Relman more recently

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2021/05/david-relman-on-investigating-origin-of-coronavirus.html

All scientists need to acknowledge a simple fact: Humans are fallible, and laboratory accidents happen — far more often than we care to admit. Several years ago, an investigative reporter uncovered evidence of hundreds of lab accidents across the United States involving dangerous, disease-causing microbes in academic institutions and government centers of excellence alike — including the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the National Institutes of Health.

Please don't respond, I don't want to engage further with your your rudeness.

This isn't evidence that it was leaked from a lab. Just because something can happen, doesn't mean it did happen.

What someone like Fauci is saying is that we cannot strictly rule it out, which is logically true.

25-05-2021 1:24pm

mcsean2163 wrote: »

It might bean idea to have a cup of tea.

I'm afraid tea comes from leaves. It's coffee that comes from beans. Even more misrepresentation on your behalf. :pac:

mcsean2163 wrote: »

Here is Mr Relman more recently

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2021/05/david-relman-on-investigating-origin-of-coronavirus.html

Hold the phone.....that's a different link (which again doesn't back up your claims). But before anyone goes to the bother of tearing that one apart, are we now to assume that you are withdrawing your previous link and your claims about what it, incorrectly, said?

Because you have two choices here: 1) you can admit you were wrong and we can all move on like adults, or 2) you can deflect and gish-gallop and segue off into other discussions to your heart's content, and everybody will see you for the dishonest and disingenuous bad faith actor that you are portraying here. The choice is yours. Either withdraw your previous claims, or face up to the fact that nobody will bother taking your claims seriously if you can't even post the right links.

mcsean2163 wrote: »

Please don't respond, I don't want to engage further with your your rudeness.

Translation: "I was expecting a soft touch, not somebody to shred my argument to pieces......please stop". Not once have I been rude to you. Not even close. That feeling you have isn't from me being rude, its embarrassment at being found out that you were a spoofer who probably didn't even read your first link.

banie01 · 25-05-2021 1:25pm

mcsean2163 wrote: »

Wall Street journal had an interesting expose in the last week. The head of WHO Dr Tedros said lab leak warranted further investigation. Former head of CDC said in his estimation it was a lab leak. It's pretty mainstream now. DYOR, etc.

Cheerio, I'm sure you have pressing bullying business to attend.

Of course the lab leak theory needs to be looked at.
All origin possibilities need to be reviewed, one excludes nothing until there is evidence to discount it.

Your misrepresentation and cherry picking of interview quotes being challenged isn't bullying.
It is merely highlighting a dishonest approach to the views shared by the sources.

Redfield has said he believes it has a lab origin.
He has presented zero evidence other than his experience and a hunch.
All other bodies and people concerned have repeatedly said lab origin is a possibility.
It is.
However, zero evidence has been presented to support that thesis.
The Chinese have been reluctant at best to allow full disclosure.
That means inferences are been drawn.
Inferences however, are not evidence.

And regardless of a November hospitalisation, there is evidence of Covid19 transmission in Italy in September.
What theory with evidential basis, can support both a lab leak from Wuhan in November?
With community transmission in Italy 2 months prior?

mcsean2163 · 25-05-2021 1:38pm

banie01 wrote: »

Of course the lab leak theory needs to be looked at.
All origin possibilities need to be reviewed, one excludes nothing until there is evidence to discount it.

Your misrepresentation and cherry picking of interview quotes being challenged isn't bullying.
It is merely highlighting a dishonest approach to the views shared by the sources.

Redfield has said he believes it has a lab origin.
He has presented zero evidence other than his experience and a hunch.
All other bodies and people concerned have repeatedly said lab origin is a possibility.
It is.
However, zero evidence has been presented to support that thesis.
The Chinese have been reluctant at best to allow full disclosure.
That means inferences are been drawn.
Inferences however, are not evidence.

And regardless of a November hospitalisation, there is evidence of Covid19 transmission in Italy in September.
What theory with evidential basis, can support both a lab leak from Wuhan in November?
With community transmission in Italy 2 months prior?

No. Daszak and his team dismissed lab origin as a conspiracy and some rather rude and bullying people here just tried to provoke and upset people rather than discuss the evidence.

As I said:

If you look back, you'll see i said all the possibilities should be explored. I still believe that and hope the origin is discovered to help prevent another Pandemic.

Bye.

mcsean2163 · 25-05-2021 1:40pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

This isn't evidence that it was leaked from a lab. Just because something can happen, doesn't mean it did happen.

What someone like Fauci is saying is that we cannot strictly rule it out, which is logically true.

There is no definitive evidence for anything yet.

If you look back, you'll see i said all the possibilities should be explored.

Bye.

King Mob · 25-05-2021 2:18pm

mcsean2163 wrote: »

Wall Street journal had an interesting expose in the last week. The head of WHO Dr Tedros said lab leak warranted further investigation. Former head of CDC said in his estimation it was a lab leak. It's pretty mainstream now. DYOR, etc.

Ok. So what evidence did they provide and what journal was it published in?

mcsean2163 wrote: »

Cheerio, I'm sure you have pressing bullying business to attend.

Lol What are you talking about?

How is "please provide the evidence for your beliefs" "bullying"?

King Mob · 25-05-2021 2:21pm

mcsean2163 wrote: »

Please don't respond, I don't want to engage further with your rudeness.

mcsean2163 wrote: »

Cheerio, I'm sure you have pressing bullying business to attend.

mcsean2163 wrote: »

Bye.

Constantly announcing that you're not going to respond to people and announcing your departure from the thread doesn't indicate that you are open to actual discussion.
And it doesn't look better when you keep doing so, yet still keep responding.

We're asking you to discuss the evidence. Maybe stop feigning offense and sensitivity and just answer the questions put to you.

King Mob · 25-05-2021 2:33pm

mcsean2163 wrote: »

No. Daszak and his team dismissed lab origin as a conspiracy

And no, they did not say this.
They stated that the lab origin was highly unlikely and provide reasoning and evidence for this conclusion.

They never called it a conspiracy.

What is a conspiracy is the claims here that the virus was deliberately created in a lab and intentionally released for the purposes of faking or causing a pandemic.
Or the claim that the idea of a lab origin is being suppressed or covered up by global organisations.

Do you believe the WHO is trying to cover up a lab leak?

mcsean2163 · 25-05-2021 3:01pm

King Mob wrote: »

Ok. So what evidence did they provide and what journal was it published in?

Lol What are you talking about?

How is "please provide the evidence for your beliefs" "bullying"?

You can't help yourself. I'd ban you if I were a mod.

For everyone else, here's the team that turned the tables

https://drasticresearch.org/the-team/

King Mob · 25-05-2021 3:18pm

mcsean2163 wrote: »

You can't help yourself. I'd ban you if I were a mod.

For everyone else, here's the team that turned the tables

Fortunately, you are not. That would be a very obvious abuse of power as I have not broken any rules.
Asking questions is not bullying. Asking for evidence is not bullying. Pointing out where you are wrong or dishonest is not bullying.
None of those things are against the rules. These are things that happen in adult discussions.

If you believe I've broken the rules, report me. Report any of us.

I'm asking what evidence you have that supports the idea of a lab based origin.

Rather that do this, you are trying to play as if you are a victim.
This is dishonest.

If you aren't willing or able to answer this very simple question, just say so.
No need to play games.

25-05-2021 4:53pm

mcsean2163 wrote: »

You can't help yourself. I'd ban you if I were a mod.

LOL......and I thought it was the better educated liberals who were the snowflakes.

Dohnjoe · 25-05-2021 6:06pm

mcsean2163 wrote: »

You can't help yourself. I'd ban you if I were a mod.

The victim card.

For everyone else, here's the team that turned the tables

https://drasticresearch.org/the-team/

This is a bunch of assorted and anonymous internet people? I just looked up one of the twitter accounts and it's some insane person.

SafeSurfer · 25-05-2021 6:31pm

King Mob wrote: »

And no, they did not say this.
They stated that the lab origin was highly unlikely and provide reasoning and evidence for this conclusion.

They never called it a conspiracy.

What is a conspiracy is the claims here that the virus was deliberately created in a lab and intentionally released for the purposes of faking or causing a pandemic.
Or the claim that the idea of a lab origin is being suppressed or covered up by global organisations.

Do you believe the WHO is trying to cover up a lab leak?

Peter Daszak has been calling the lab leak hypothesis a conspiracy theory since January 2020. Before any investigation had taken place.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/09/conspiracies-covid-19-lab-false-pandemic

mcsean2163 · 25-05-2021 6:41pm

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Peter Daszak has been calling the lab leak hypothesis a conspiracy theory since January 2020. Before any investigation had taken place.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/09/conspiracies-covid-19-lab-false-pandemic

Hi safesurfer!

Great find, there's also a lot of articles about vox scrubbing their original dismissal of the lab leak theory.

There's people who want an honest investigation and absolute loonies that want to tease and bully people who want a proper investigation. It seems that the loonies and the bullies are on the back foot now.

Who knows what the actual origin is but good to see all the possibilities being explored now.

Peace out!

Dohnjoe · 25-05-2021 7:47pm

mcsean2163 wrote: »

There's people who want an honest investigation and absolute loonies that want to tease and bully people who want a proper investigation. It seems that the loonies and the bullies are on the back foot now.

This is nonsense.

There are people who are interested in the origins of Covid and then there are individuals who have already dogmatically decided it was engineered by the Chinese or leaked by a Chinese lab. Some with feigned objectivity. That internet "detective" group you linked earlier seems to fall firmly into the latter category, I wouldn't trust them to investigate a ham sandwich let alone the origins of Covid.

mcsean2163 · 25-05-2021 9:03pm

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Peter Daszak has been calling the lab leak hypothesis a conspiracy theory since January 2020. Before any investigation had taken place.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/09/conspiracies-covid-19-lab-false-pandemic

Worth reading too

How the Liberal Media Dismissed the Lab-Leak Theory and Smeared Its Supporters

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/05/lab-leak-liberal-media-theory-china-wuhan-lab-cotton-trump.html

mcmoustache · 25-05-2021 10:07pm

Is this lab leak theory based on lab workers in Wuhan having being hospitalised around the time that covid was doing the rounds?

I know that officially the first cases were in December and these lab worker were hospitalised in November. If these were the first cases of covid, it would make a good case that the lab was the origin of patient zero.

If on the other hand, there was evidence of an increase of hospital visits and an increase in people searching flu symptoms on Baidu from earlier than November, then it would suggest that the lab was not the origin.

I guess we'll have to wait and see.

mcsean2163 · 25-05-2021 10:34pm

mcmoustache wrote: »

Is this lab leak theory based on lab workers in Wuhan having being hospitalised around the time that covid was doing the rounds?

I know that officially the first cases were in December and these lab worker were hospitalised in November. If these were the first cases of covid, it would make a good case that the lab was the origin of patient zero.

If on the other hand, there was evidence of an increase of hospital visits and an increase in people searching flu symptoms on Baidu from earlier than November, then it would suggest that the lab was not the origin.

I guess we'll have to wait and see.

It's been around since the beginning but stifled but various nutjobs.

In the interim, a team called DRASTIC never gave up searching for the truth despite various attacks from the media and assorted bullies. There's a good writeup on it here.

https://www.cnet.com/features/how-the-coronavirus-origin-story-is-being-rewritten-by-a-guerrilla-twitter-group/

It's got to the point now where the media are actually rewriting their original denouncements. Trump complicated a lot of things but it wasn't just Trump, it was the virtue signalling mob too. Science shouldn't be politicised and it's great to see the investigation widen despite the attempts of overbearing bullies attempting to restrict it.

King Mob · 25-05-2021 10:51pm

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Peter Daszak has been calling the lab leak hypothesis a conspiracy theory since January 2020. Before any investigation had taken place.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/09/conspiracies-covid-19-lab-false-pandemic

Ok fair enough.

He did call the idea the a conspiracy theory.

However in the actual report he and his team did not dismiss the idea or call it a conspiracy theory. They just said it was highly unlikely.

So you disagree with the report or what he says in that article?

King Mob · 25-05-2021 10:54pm

mcsean2163 wrote: »

Hi safesurfer!

Great find, there's also a lot of articles about vox scrubbing their original dismissal of the lab leak theory.

There's people who want an honest investigation and absolute loonies that want to tease and bully people who want a proper investigation. It seems that the loonies and the bullies are on the back foot now.

Who knows what the actual origin is but good to see all the possibilities being explored now.

Peace out!

Again, you've been asked several times to point out the published studies that support a lab leak theory.

You keep ignoring this question and resorting to these really silly and childish claims of bullying and then also start throwing out insults.

Just link to the studies. That would shut us up pretty quick.

SafeSurfer · 25-05-2021 10:56pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

This is nonsense.

There are people who are interested in the origins of Covid and then there are individuals who have already dogmatically decided it was engineered by the Chinese or leaked by a Chinese lab. Some with feigned objectivity. That internet "detective" group you linked earlier seems to fall firmly into the latter category, I wouldn't trust them to investigate a ham sandwich let alone the origins of Covid.

It’s also true that there are individuals who have already dogmatically decided that it’s origins are zoonotic. In fact not only decided but worked to actively ensure no other origin thesis was entertained. All this was done surreptitiously.
Why?
If the zoonotic origin turns out to be correct, virologists such as Peter Daszak would be hailed as heroes. If however the origin is due to a lab leak, virologists and many in the research community would be vilified.
There is obviously a preference among the very people investigating Covids origins for one particular narrative, not to mention the Chinese government who are tightly controlling all information relating to the origins of Covid.

SafeSurfer · 25-05-2021 10:59pm

King Mob wrote: »

Ok fair enough.

He did call the idea the a conspiracy theory.

However in the actual report he and his team did not dismiss the idea or call it a conspiracy theory. They just said it was highly unlikely.

So you disagree with the report or what he says in that article?

No, I don’t agree with the report or what he says in the article.

I think the lab leak theory needs to be treated seriously and properly investigated.

The wet market origin theory originally released to support the zoonotic origin belief is not credible.

Covid-19 likely to be man made

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