Caroline Flack found dead

AudreyHepburn · 15-02-2020 7:47pm

dark crystal wrote: »

I suspect the gender war proponents on here would be inclined to assume the innocence of a male celebrity until proven guilty in a court of law.

You can’t have one reaction for one and a different one for the other.

I’m more inclined to believe they wouldn’t. But I think you know that really.

There’s always gender bias in situations like this whether you want admit it or not.

dark crystal · 15-02-2020 7:48pm

Tork wrote: »

This is going to be traumatic for the boyfriend. Even though I believe she assaulted him, he's not going to see it that way. He tried to retract the charges and will be torturing himself now over his decision to pick up the phone. And naturally, the media spotlight will be trained back on him again.

I really hope he has plenty of support around him. Just a horrible situation all round.

Dots1982 · 15-02-2020 7:48pm

Blaze420 wrote: »

No different to the comments here if it was a fella at the centre of a domestic abuse situation. So **** off

Ok I’ll change that to make a little effort to be even a tinchy winchy bit classy

Strazdas · 15-02-2020 7:50pm

tinofapples wrote: »

Yet again pity someone couldn't help her through what was obviously a difficult period in her life. God love her and her family, so sad. Beautiful and successful girl in a tough industry.

Problems are temporary.

Desperately sad news

This whole trial by social media thing is becoming a menace...I suspect Caroline will not be the last person to die because of it.

4068ac1elhodqr · 15-02-2020 7:50pm

Like many similar celebs (love island etc) they crave for instant dophamine-filled attention on Tw/Fb/Insta,
then want to escape it all when it gets too much, or discover the hard way, they're simply not suited to fame.

She reminded me of the other socialite that went (Tara Claire Palmer-Tomkinson),
who coincidentally was also an ex-partner/play-thing of the young royal(s).

Perhaps the single best smart advice for anyone with <14yo is not to buy them a 'smart'phone.

votecounts · 15-02-2020 7:51pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

What's the point of the thread then?

It is after hours and why should we all be bound by your moral compass?

There needs to be an RIP section for stuff like this imo.

so you need a moral compass not to make insentsitive about a person who has just killed themselves, think of her family ffs.
RIP

Raconteuse · 15-02-2020 7:51pm

"Everyone" is not determined to ignore that she attacked her boyfriend.

Blaze420 wrote: »

No different to the comments here if it was a fella at the centre of a domestic abuse situation. So **** off

Whatever about elsewhere, I doubt there would be such comments here.

I don't agree with ignoring her behaviour, and I do agree that there would be a different reaction in places over a man... but jeering at her suicide considering her loved ones left behind, well it's unsurprising who's doing same and thanking them. :rolleyes:

OwlsZat · 15-02-2020 7:52pm

Tork wrote: »

Naturally, there are already people spewing hatred towards Lewis Burton. It's all his fault, apparently.

She should have gotten help after the episodes of her ex fiance. Sadly it's an awful situation but one totally of her own making. RIP Caroline.

15-02-2020 7:53pm

Ironicname wrote: »

It will be sickening to see the media who caused this, in the coming days, sing her praises.

You have no idea what caused this & are blaming the media regardless.

Hope you take care of yourself I wish you all the best

One eyed Jack · 15-02-2020 7:55pm

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

You can’t have one reaction for one and a different one for the other.

Of course you can. The reverse the genders and whataboutery nonsense is just that. Time and a place rather than trying to be an edgelord.

I wasn’t a fan but at the same time news of her death took me by surprise.

AudreyHepburn · 15-02-2020 7:55pm

Raconteuse wrote: »

"Everyone" is not determined to ignore that she attacked her boyfriend.

Whatever about elsewhere, I doubt there would be such comments here.

I don't agree with ignoring her behaviour, and I do agree that there would be a different reaction in places over a man... but jeering at her suicide considering her loved ones left behind, well it's unsurprising who's doing same and thanking them. :rolleyes:

I don’t think one single person on here has ‘jeered’ at anything.

We’re just saying that blaming the media, ignoring the horrible act she committed and pretending she was an angel won’t help the situation.

I do have sympathy for her family and friends, I just don’t think any good will come of acting like she was all goodness and light and as if she bore no responsibility for the hard time the media gave her.

Raconteuse · 15-02-2020 7:55pm

tinofapples wrote: »

Yet again pity someone couldn't help her through what was obviously a difficult period in her life. God love her and her family, so sad. Beautiful and successful girl in a tough industry.

Problems are temporary.

What about her own behaviour though? Disagree with pretending she was an angel.

ted1 · 15-02-2020 7:56pm

Strazdas wrote: »

Desperately sad news

This whole trial by social media thing is becoming a menace...I suspect Caroline will not be the last person to die because of it.

Makes you realise that Harry Susessx and his wife did the correct thing getting away from them.

Raconteuse · 15-02-2020 7:56pm

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I don’t think one single person on here has ‘jeered’ at anything.

They absolutely have.

AudreyHepburn · 15-02-2020 7:58pm

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Of course you can. The reverse the genders and whataboutery nonsense is just that. Time and a place rather than trying to be an edgelord.

I wasn’t a fan but at the same time news of her death took me by surprise.

You really can’t. I’m not trying to be an edge lord or whatever cool and edgy word you want to try to use.

She viciously attacked her husband while he slept. You can’t excuse that if he had attacked her you wouldn’t even consider trying to.

Diceicle · 15-02-2020 7:59pm

Cina wrote: »

Man why don't you cop the f*ck on? Someone just committed suicide and you're almost trying to justify it as a good thing and bring anti feminist nonsense into it. It's pathetic.

Call me old fashioned but I don't have much time for people who assault others.

BorneTobyWilde · 15-02-2020 7:59pm

She was an easy target to mock considering her recent troubles, but she was human and it all was taking it's toll, of course it never stopped everyone mocking her endlessly.
People only ''care'' now that she's dead.

TheValeyard · 15-02-2020 7:59pm

By all accounts she did horrible and outrageous things to her bf (upon reading up about it) but she didn't deserve an end like that. I'd feel so sorry for her family and friends. A loss is a loss.

It would in my personal opinion to put some of the blame for this death on the media. Build people up to sell papers, then tear them down to sell even more.

Also, some of the squabbling and posts here are unbelievably childish.

AudreyHepburn · 15-02-2020 8:00pm

Raconteuse wrote: »

They absolutely have.

Links?

I’ve read back through the thread and I genuinely can’t see it.

And I myself certainly haven’t done any such thing.

Vincent Vega · 15-02-2020 8:00pm

RasTa wrote: »

Media did nothing wrong...

Wouldn't know what to believe

I see a lot of people stating this as fact but why did he deny it?
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Strazdas · 15-02-2020 8:01pm

ted1 wrote: »

Makes you realise that Harry Susessx and his wife did the correct thing getting away from them.

Good point......they're better off well out of it.

The majority of well known public figures can probably cope with social media negative attention, but those with mental health issues, anxiety, depression etc are very vulnerable.

MoonUnit75 · 15-02-2020 8:01pm

There’s definitely a lesson in this for the ‘ibelieveher’ crowd. Felt at the time it could have easily had a similar outcome. At the same time though, what she did was surely attempted murder.

One eyed Jack · 15-02-2020 8:02pm

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

You really can’t. I’m not trying to be an edge lord or whatever cool and edgy word you want to try to use.

She viciously attacked her husband while he slept. You can’t excuse that if he had attacked her you wouldn’t even consider trying to.

You can’t.

You don’t speak for me.

RasTa · 15-02-2020 8:03pm

Her husband?

AudreyHepburn · 15-02-2020 8:04pm

RasTa wrote: »

Her husband?

Is he not her husband? Boyfriend then.

Sorry about that but does it really matter?

Silentcorner · 15-02-2020 8:07pm

This tragic individual was on a destruction trajectory...the harm she was inflicting was beginning to escalate.

There is a genuine sickness that has taken a grip on society, and you kind of get the feeling the root cause is not being addressed.

One eyed Jack · 15-02-2020 8:07pm

RasTa wrote: »

Her husband?

Audrey meant her boyfriend.

The boyfriend who wanted the charges of assault dropped, nothing of which has anything to do with her suicide. It’s just thrown in there as though her taking her own life was evening the score or something, she’s on the same level as Alan Hawe now apparently :rolleyes:

RasTa · 15-02-2020 8:07pm

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Is he not her husband? Boyfriend then.

Sorry about that but does it really matter?

Yeah, he said she did nothing wrong in all this stuff before the media got involved.

strandroad · 15-02-2020 8:08pm

Vincent Vega wrote: »

Wouldn't know what to believe

I see a lot of people stating this as fact but why did he deny it?

It was reported at the time that she cut herself during the incident. Could be hers.

tdf7187 · 15-02-2020 8:10pm

Reminds me of the cliche that suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. It's not as though she killed anyone, she would likely have been let off with a caution or at worst a suspended sentence.

AudreyHepburn · 15-02-2020 8:10pm

RasTa wrote: »

Yeah, he said she did nothing wrong in all this stuff before the media got involved.

Quite often the victim doesn’t want to press charges. It's no proof of innocence.

AudreyHepburn · 15-02-2020 8:12pm

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Audrey meant her boyfriend.

The boyfriend who wanted the charges of assault dropped, nothing of which has anything to do with her suicide. It’s just thrown in there as though her taking her own life was evening the score or something, she’s on the same level as Alan Hawe now apparently :rolleyes:

When or where did I ever say her suicide evened the score? Do you really think I’m that sick minded?

I also never compared her to Alan Hawe. I never even mentioned his name.

razorblunt · 15-02-2020 8:13pm

Vincent Vega wrote: »

Wouldn't know what to believe

I see a lot of people stating this as fact but why did he deny it?

That scumbag Dan Wooton the entertainment reporter is weeping on twitter for her, making it about himself at the same time too he ran the story that was the damage she caused in the original article

15-02-2020 8:14pm

RasTa wrote: »

Yeah, he said she did nothing wrong in all this stuff before the media got involved.

You would wonder why he rang the police then......

ShagNastii · 15-02-2020 8:15pm

brevity wrote: »

The gutter press and social media mobs are disgusting imo.

No consideration or empathy.

It’s hardly surprising given who it is but The Sun have been deleting all their negative stories relating to Caroline Flack from their website. Utter scum.

15-02-2020 8:16pm

Vincent Vega wrote: »

Wouldn't know what to believe

I see a lot of people stating this as fact but why did he deny it?

Doesn't the stain in the carpet look like Ireland?

Darc19 · 15-02-2020 8:16pm

The British tabloid media are scum.

Better Than Christ · 15-02-2020 8:18pm

It's true that if we were talking about a male abuser, the reaction would be very different. Attitudes towards female-on-male domestic violence have always been... flippant, to say the least. I had a fairly noticeable facial injury recently, as a result of a fall, and I was shocked at the amount of people (all men) who jokingly asked me if it was "the wife" who did it.

But isn't it also true that there are some people out there (and perhaps even On Here) who, if her boyfriend had been accused of viciously assaulting her as she slept, would be using the "innocent until proven guilty" line of defence?

Quantum Erasure · 15-02-2020 8:19pm

bubblypop wrote: »

Doesn't the stain in the carpet look like Ireland?

ah here... it does though, doesn't it?

Hannibal_Smith · 15-02-2020 8:20pm

Its so sad. She was such a great presenter and always looked so happy and bubbly.

I dont think anyone can be certain about what happened, can we? Story his she hit him with a lamp while he slept. Didnt he come out in support of her afterwards?

Im getting so tired of 'if the [gender] roles were reversed you wouldn't say that'. Can we not just have thoughts on a topic as it is? Genders, circumstances, incidents all add dimensions to a given story.

Its very sad to think its all ended like this.

Shelga · 15-02-2020 8:25pm

This.

RasTa · 15-02-2020 8:25pm

bubblypop wrote: »

You would wonder why he rang the police then......

It's grand, she's dead now anyway.

The correct outcome for all

razorblunt · 15-02-2020 8:26pm

Vincent Vega wrote: »

Wouldn't know what to believe

I see a lot of people stating this as fact but why did he deny it?

That scumbag Dan Wooton the entertainment reporter is weeping on twitter for her, making it about himself at the same time too he ran the story that was the damage she caused in the original article

Purple Mountain · 15-02-2020 8:26pm

If that is the picture of the alleged scene of the alleged crime, then if a police officer leaked that picture, they should be fired on the spot.

dark crystal · 15-02-2020 8:26pm

Better Than Christ wrote: »

But isn't it also true that there are some people out there (and perhaps even On Here) who, if her boyfriend had been accused of viciously assaulting her as she slept, would be using the "innocent until proven guilty" line of defence?

This was the point I made earlier in the thread. There had been no trial. No verdict, yet people are screaming about what an evil abuser she is. Attempted murder was even thrown out!

Now she may well have been guilty, or there could have been a pair of them in it on the night, we'll now never know for sure, but if you're a proponent of innocent until proven guilty, surely that works with both genders? You can't complain about a skewed presumption of guilt placed on men and then turn around and make the same presumption about a woman. It completely destroys your argument.

razorblunt · 15-02-2020 8:27pm

bubblypop wrote: »

Doesn't the stain in the carpet look like Ireland?

So it’s our fault is it?
Fight me!

Darc19 · 15-02-2020 8:31pm

Purple Mountain wrote: »

If that is the picture of the alleged scene of the alleged crime, then if a police officer leaked that picture, they should be fired on the spot.

Do you really think a cop would be fired.

It doesn't happen in the UK

And no matter how incompetent they are or how many lies they tell, I assure you that it doesn't happen here either.

Cops/gardai add 1+1 and get 22

spookwoman · 15-02-2020 8:33pm

The tabloids are scum.... the tabloids didn't put a lamp in her hand for her to allegedly beat her boyfriend with while he slept! TBH if the police pushed for her to go before the courts they must have had concerns for him or knew more and that may have come out in court, we don't know.

Either way I think there are far more important things to be worried about in life.

Mam of 4 · 15-02-2020 8:34pm

RasTa wrote: »

It's grand, she's dead now anyway.

The correct outcome for all

How does a person taking their own life make it the correct outcome for all ?

Wtf

15-02-2020 8:37pm

spookwoman wrote: »

The tabloids are scum.... the tabloids didn't put a lamp in her hand for her to allegedly beat her boyfriend with while he slept! TBH if the police pushed for her to go before the courts they must have had concerns for him or knew more and that may have come out in court, we don't know.

Either way I think there are far more important things to be worried about in life.

Definitely not worth the posturing that’s went on in this thread anyway. After reading up a bit on her, you’d wonder how many tributes or how much of a mod strength there would be for her boyfriend if she’d killed him.

Caroline Flack found dead

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