N25/N30 - New Ross Bypass [open to traffic]

prunudo · 09-02-2020 10:47am

They close bridges in plenty of other countries when the wind gets above a certain level. There will always be times when high sided vehicles need to be rerouted even with baffles or wind barriers. Better safe than sending a driver 50m down into the water.

Andrew33 · 09-02-2020 11:04am

prunudo wrote: »

They close bridges in plenty of other countries when the wind gets above a certain level. There will always be times when high sided vehicles need to be rerouted even with baffles or wind barriers. Better safe than sending a driver 50m down into the water.

Wonder was M50 bridge or Boyne bridge closed.

RadioRetro · 09-02-2020 11:43am

The AA says the bridge is now open again.

eagerv · 09-02-2020 12:47pm

I drove on it yesterday when it was blowing hard, and it seemed fine for a car. Cannot comment on a high sided vehicle.

Only place I noticed a bit of buffeting was on the Kilkenny side when off the bridge. Just where there is a temporary lay-by when traveling towards Glenmore roundabout. It was far worse on the normal road at the top of Glenmore hill..

eagerv · 09-02-2020 12:51pm

RadioRetro wrote: »

The AA says the bridge is now open again.

Wind has just veered westerly, seems as strong as when it was southerly.

serfboard · 09-02-2020 8:51pm

Andrew33 wrote: »

Bloody ridiculous. They should have put wind baffles on it when it was being built.
Can’t be closing a major national road every time the wind gets up.

Let’s say that they are going to close the bridge every time we have an Orange or Red wind warning. How many of those do we get in a year?

Andrew33 · 09-02-2020 9:54pm

serfboard wrote: »

Let’s say that they are going to close the bridge every time we have an Orange or Red wind warning. How many of those do we get in a year?

3 or 4 since December.

Cookiemunster · 09-02-2020 9:58pm

Andrew33 wrote: »

3 or 4 since December.

How many were in affect nation wide though? Most that reach orange status only affect the West coast.

realflash1982 · 10-02-2020 11:18am

New piece of infrastructure, very high wind warning in place, and old road quiet due to it being the weekend. Why take the risk?

Perhaps it is common practice that new bridges are closed and monitored during poor weather in their infancy to see how strong the gusts really are, especially at that height. I doubt any high sided truckers had any complaints.

Worth mentioning, the weather warning in Wexford was certainly merited. Massive gusts on Saturday night/Sunday morning.

Harry Palmr · 10-02-2020 7:23pm

Ann Cassin or Blousey One will be standing by a blowy bridge tonight from 7 PM.

Alun · 10-02-2020 8:01pm

I see it's now on the latest Garmin map 2020.30, must be a record! Still not on Google maps yet though.

FishOnABike · 10-02-2020 8:27pm

Alun wrote: »

I see it's now on the latest Garmin map 2020.30, must be a record! Still not on Google maps yet though.

You'd think that Google would have some sort of auto update for maps. It's not like hundreds or thousands of cars are likely to start driving across fields at 100kmh or suddenly take flight any day.

josip · 10-02-2020 11:12pm

FishOnABike wrote: »

You'd think that Google would have some sort of auto update for maps. It's not like hundreds or thousands of cars are likely to start driving across fields at 100kmh or suddenly take flight any day.

Maybe not thousands...

https://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/german-artist-uses-99-smartphones-to-fool-google-maps-with-fake-traffic-jam-1.4797313

JohnC. · 10-02-2020 11:40pm

Hadn’t thought to check until now, but the new road is also on Apple Maps. Not sure what’s taking Google, especially when another part of them have it.

RadioRetro · 12-02-2020 10:49am

Seems a row broke out over the 'shambolic lack of communication' in the closure of the bridge at the weekend for Storm Ciara's high winds. The story is in the New Ross Standard, according to a tweet I've just seen.

vicwatson · 12-02-2020 4:24pm

It closed from 00.00 to 08.00 Sunday without warnings

serfboard · 12-02-2020 5:29pm

vicwatson wrote: »

It closed from 00.00 to 08.00 Sunday without warnings

I was going to ask who would be using it at that time of the night. Then I remembered that there are ferries which arrive in Rosslare overnight. Thinking more about it, I realised that if the bridge was closed, there is a good chance that the ferries weren't running ...

alta stare · 13-02-2020 12:20am

Problem will be if they close it without much warning in the mornings during peoples commute. Chaos will reign around New Ross.

Harry Palmr · 13-02-2020 12:25am

Why not just close it to high sided vehicles? OR if side swipes is what they are mainly concerned about reduce the crossing to one lane each way?

Leo Demidov · 13-02-2020 12:31am

Harry Palmr wrote:

Why not just close it to high sided vehicles? OR if side swipes is what they are mainly concerned about reduce the crossing to one lane each way?

But the trucks will be just as high if its down to 1 Lane? If they're gonna be victim to the wind then they shouldn't be on the bridge during high wind.

Victor · 13-02-2020 12:45am

Harry Palmr wrote: »

OR if side swipes is what they are mainly concerned about reduce the crossing to one lane each way?

You would need thousands of traffic cones. Potentially difficult to deploy promptly.

josip · 13-02-2020 1:01am

Victor wrote: »

You would need thousands of traffic cones. Potentially difficult to deploy promptly.

And they'd have to be well weighted

JohnC. · 13-02-2020 7:00am

Major bridges closing isn't a weird thing. Loads closed across the UK too. Queensferry Crossing, M48 Severn Crossing, A628 Woodhead Bridge, M62 Ouse Bridge, A14 Orwell Bridge, A55 Britannia Bridge, Humber Bridge and QEII Bridge at Dartford. May not be an exhaustive list. As well as the Channel Tunnel, due to flooding in Kent.

Harry Palmr · 14-02-2020 12:08am

Victor wrote: »

You would need thousands of traffic cones. Potentially difficult to deploy promptly.

I did think about that, had the designers been thinking about the cross wind potential they'd have engineered the deck to include push holes for that type of narrow "parking" bollard that is increasingly popular. I'm not sure you'd need thousands, with one every 5 meters or so.

Victor · 14-02-2020 12:27am

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I'm not sure you'd need thousands, with one every 5 meters or so.

Yes, I'm possibly over-thinking that.

Heading east, you would need them from the Glenmore Rounabout to the far side of the bridge and westbound from the rest area to the far side of the bridge. That's about 4km, so 800.

However, if the wind is high, I'm not sure how useful staying in from the edge would be.

Harry Palmr · 14-02-2020 10:52am

So then best thing - warning sign redirect and a height restrictor (or maybe a plate reading camera!) sending high vehicles through New Ross

vicwatson · 14-02-2020 3:21pm

serfboard wrote: »

I was going to ask who would be using it at that time of the night. Then I remembered that there are ferries which arrive in Rosslare overnight. Thinking more about it, I realised that if the bridge was closed, there is a good chance that the ferries weren't running ...

Emergency Vehicles?
Workers?
Etc

serfboard · 14-02-2020 3:42pm

vicwatson wrote: »

Emergency Vehicles?
Workers?
Etc

The bridge/new road was closed for exceptional circumstances, which will happen only a few times a year at most.

Up until a few weeks ago, these people used the old road, and they can continue to do so when the bridge is closed.

vicwatson · 14-02-2020 3:44pm

serfboard wrote: »

The bridge/new road was closed for exceptional circumstances, which will happen only a few times a year at most.

Up until a few weeks ago, these people used the old road, and they can continue to do so when the bridge is closed.

So every Orange warning the bridge will close? Day or night? or do storms only happen at nighttime

serfboard · 14-02-2020 3:47pm

vicwatson wrote: »

So every Orange warning the bridge will close?

Seems that way. As I said previously, how many Orange or Red warnings does Wexford get in any calendar year?

vicwatson wrote: »

Day or night?

Yep.

vicwatson wrote: »

do storms only happen at nighttime

Yes, that's right. :rolleyes:

Hibernicis · 14-02-2020 4:32pm

Before this thread descends into complete pointlessness, I’d like to say a big thank you to M17 for the super job he did gathering and posting a huge number of photographs and bringing the project to life for so many of us, to insta_mavic for the super videos (and soundtracks) and to so many posters over the last few years for the constructive and informative posts.

Míle Buíochas

alta stare · 14-02-2020 7:58pm

serfboard wrote: »

The bridge/new road was closed for exceptional circumstances, which will happen only a few times a year at most.

Up until a few weeks ago, these people used the old road, and they can continue to do so when the bridge is closed.

Fair enough if they need to close it in bad weather but lets be honest most of these weather warnings are uncalled for.

They also need advanced warning at both roundabouts stating the bridge is closed.

no.8 · 14-02-2020 8:10pm

alta stare wrote:

Fair enough if they need to close it in bad weather but lets be honest most of these weather warnings are uncalled for.

Says yourself
I think you'll find that the last 2 named storms caused a fair bit of disruption in several parts of the country (and abroad).

Its best to just deal with the reality of bridges with high exposed decks closing during adverse conditions. It happens the world over and locals / regular travellers of the bypass will be well versed with this in time.
There is still the former n25 routing so it's hardly the end of the world

alta stare · 14-02-2020 10:51pm

no.8 wrote: »

Says yourself
I think you'll find that the last 2 named storms caused a fair bit of disruption in several parts of the country (and abroad).

Its best to just deal with the reality of bridges with high exposed decks closing during adverse conditions. It happens the world over and locals / regular travellers of the bypass will be well versed with this in time.
There is still the former n25 routing so it's hardly the end of the world

Em we are talking about the New Ross bypass in the South East which did not get it as bad so yeah no big damage down here, no need to be issuing orange warnings and closing the bridge. Fair enough if it is required but the last storm did not warrant it. Met Eireann are loosing the run of themselves with all these warnings.

Alun · 14-02-2020 10:54pm

alta stare wrote: »

They also need advanced warning at both roundabouts stating the bridge is closed.

I'm actually very surprised that some kind of closure management system isn't in place with proper barriers, advance signage of detours etc. Surely that would be pretty standard for bridges of this size elsewhere?

JohnC. · 15-02-2020 6:38am

alta stare wrote: »

Em we are talking about the New Ross bypass in the South East which did not get it as bad so yeah no big damage down here, no need to be issuing orange warnings and closing the bridge. Fair enough if it is required but the last storm did not warrant it. Met Eireann are loosing the run of themselves with all these warnings.

Maybe you can sell them a crystal ball?

alta stare · 15-02-2020 10:12am

JohnC. wrote: »

Maybe you can sell them a crystal ball?

Met Eireann have all required equipment which help forcast the weather. The issue seems to be their warning system. No crystal ball needed.

It is pretty clear an advanced warning system for road closure is required on the approach to the bypass and not on the bypass itself because if they allow traffic to be diverted down the slip road back into New Ross it will cause traffic chaos...again no crystal ball needed just a bit of foresight and planning.

alta stare · 15-02-2020 10:15am

Alun wrote: »

I'm actually very surprised that some kind of closure management system isn't in place with proper barriers, advance signage of detours etc. Surely that would be pretty standard for bridges of this size elsewhere?

I thought i read in a post from Marno21 (sorry if i got that wrong) that there is ducting or something for such things. If there is hopefully they put them in at some point. The saving grace now though is that we are heading toward March so the stormy weather will die out soon.

m17 · 15-02-2020 5:23pm

The barrow crossing 14/02/19

29/01/20

Kirbstone · 16-02-2020 12:02am

I would like to second Hibernicis in thanking M17 for his superlative pictorial and video coverage of the construction and opening of the RFK Bridge.

Tom K.

m17 · 18-02-2020 6:10pm

The barrow crossing

As this is my last pic of this great forum thanks everyone for all the great comments over the last 3 and half years looking forward to the next big road project yours m17

DumbBrunette · 18-02-2020 10:19pm

Next big road project **cough** N5 Westport Turlough **cough cough**

m17 wrote: »

As this is my last pic of this great forum thanks everyone for all the great comments over the last 3 and half years looking forward to the next big road project yours m17

m17 · 22-02-2020 3:05pm

The stats

blindsider · 23-02-2020 12:53pm

My regular Cork - Wexford journey is 2:20 to 2:40. Early (07:00) on a very quiet weekend morning, I have done it in 2:00.

Yesterday afternoon I did it in 2:05 - and that included a quick pit-stop in Lemybrien.

The New Ross bypass is a very welcome development!

I also noticed that the road from the New Ross end of the Waterford Bypass to Glenmore is quite wide and would be (relatively) easy to convert to DC - it's about 10km. Unfortunately, I suspect that may not happen for min. 10 yrs - ah well....

alta stare · 23-02-2020 1:03pm

blindsider wrote: »

My regular Cork - Wexford journey is 2:20 to 2:40. Early (07:00) on a very quiet weekend morning, I have done it in 2:00.

Yesterday afternoon I did it in 2:05 - and that included a quick pit-stop in Lemybrien.

The New Ross bypass is a very welcome development!

I also noticed that the road from the New Ross end of the Waterford Bypass to Glenmore is quite wide and would be (relatively) easy to convert to DC - it's about 10km. Unfortunately, I suspect that may not happen for min. 10 yrs - ah well....

It is indeed a very welcome development. It has made my travel a little less arduous. Regarding the Glenmore to Luffany road...that is back on the agenda and iv read and it has been mentioned here that it will more than likely be 2024 before it starts.

One thing i have noticed though and it annoys me sometimes is how people merge onto the Glenmore road from the Bridge road....they move out to the overtaking lane when there is no need. The exit road seamlessly becomes the Glenmore road so there is no need to move out. Usually they are crawling along when they do this which slows the traffic down. Idiots

CoBo55 · 23-02-2020 4:40pm

alta stare wrote: »

It is indeed a very welcome development. It has made my travel a little less arduous. Regarding the Glenmore to Luffany road...that is back on the agenda and iv read and it has been mentioned here that it will more than likely be 2024 before it starts.

One thing i have noticed though and it annoys me sometimes is how people merge onto the Glenmore road from the Bridge road....they move out to the overtaking lane when there is no need. The exit road seamlessly becomes the Glenmore road so there is no need to move out. Usually they are crawling along when they do this which slows the traffic down. Idiots

Santa Fe syndrome I call it... Every fcukin time it's mom in the Santa Fe..

SeanW · 23-02-2020 7:55pm

CoBo55 wrote: »

Santa Fe syndrome I call it... Every fcukin time it's mom in the Santa Fe..

Care to translate that?

blindsider · 23-02-2020 8:16pm

...I presume a Hyundai Santa Fe...?

People are not looking at the road carefully enough to realise that it's not a standard "Merge and move right" scenario - it's a "Merge and Stay in Lane" scenario.

gman2k · 24-02-2020 12:18am

And also, the speed of cars travelling (south) towards Waterford on Glenmore hill has increased visibly since the bypass has opened.

CoBo55 · 24-02-2020 8:42pm

SeanW wrote: »

Care to translate that?

Hyundai. Santa. Fe. It's always yummy mummy straight out of the merging lane into the outside lane.... And there she stays forever and ever sometimes with right indicator flashing and flashing for bloody miles...

N25/N30 - New Ross Bypass [open to traffic]

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