Tenant heating

Moomoomacshoe · 21-12-2019 3:40pm #1

Hi my landlord's son has moved into the property. He is messing around with the heating turning it off when I set it. The house is baltic. Lanlord was notified and I have evidence and logs of all. Now the heating switches on but the radiators don't come on including in my room where they have no access to. Any ideas how theyre doing this?
Also legally who do I contact? The house is freezing. The landlord is trying to force me out.
Thanks

Graham · 21-12-2019 4:29pm

Assuming this is the same property/lease you were referring to in an earlier thread, as it appears you already have communication with the RTB about this tenancy they would be the obvious first port of call.

Moomoomacshoe · 21-12-2019 9:21pm

Graham wrote: »

Assuming this is the same property/lease you were referring to in an earlier thread, as it appears you already have communication with the RTB about this tenancy they would be the obvious first port of call.

Ok thank you. Yes, I won that tribunal. This is since then, attempts to bully me out...its just in the interim i have no heat. It takes a good while for the RTB process.

Gumbo · 22-12-2019 12:20am

Environmental Health section of your local council. Your complaint is no access to suitable means of heating.

wrmwit · 22-12-2019 12:32am

Moomoomacshoe wrote: »

Ok thank you. Yes, I won that tribunal. This is since then, attempts to bully me out...its just in the interim i have no heat. It takes a good while for the RTB process.

You just have to keep getting onto the RTB. They're your only port of call. And they're probably closed for two weeks over Christmas!

In the mean time, try sneak in a couple of electric heaters into your bedroom and lock the door. I had to do that before.

punisher5112 · 22-12-2019 12:36am

Where is the boiler?

Thermostat turned down or pump turned off.

Can you get to the boiler?

chuck eastwood · 22-12-2019 12:44am

wrmwit wrote: »

You just have to keep getting onto the RTB. They're your only port of call. And they're probably closed for two weeks over Christmas!

In the mean time, try sneak in a couple of electric heaters into your bedroom and lock the door. I had to do that before.

Why would he have to sneak them in ?. His heating isn't working and he is obviously paying for it in some way. One way or another he is entitled to have a year source in his room

DubCount · 22-12-2019 9:46am

Moomoomacshoe wrote: »

my landlord's son has moved into the property.
Thanks

This may make things more complicated. If you go to the RTB, your LL may argue that you are now a licensee and not a tenant. Contact Threshold to get advice on the specific circumstance you are in, and whats the best way to proceed.

How is the electric bill split? Could you get an electric heater to help until it gets sorted out?

FishOnABike · 22-12-2019 10:13am

You don't give much background information for people to figure out the situation.

At a minimum the following information would be needed by someone to try make head or tail of the situation. What was the nature of your occupancy before the LL's son moved in? How long are you there? How / on what grounds did the LL's son move in? How long ago did the LL's son move in?

gooseygander · 22-12-2019 10:27am

Such a septic atmosphere to live in, deffo not saying you should give in to bullying but is it worth the stress with constant prtb disputes, not getting on with housemates and nobody comfortable around each other. Are you still paying full rent o.p ? Are you looking or contemplating finding a new place ? Life is too short and hard enough without this stress.

Moomoomacshoe · 22-12-2019 9:26pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Where is the boiler?

Thermostat turned down or pump turned off.

Can you get to the boiler?

Its behind the gas fire..they occupy the living room 24/7 never go anywhere ..i wouldnt have a clue what to look for ..could i get someone in to lookdo you think?

Moomoomacshoe · 22-12-2019 9:28pm

DubCount wrote: »

This may make things more complicated. If you go to the RTB, your LL may argue that you are now a licensee and not a tenant. Contact Threshold to get advice on the specific circumstance you are in, and whats the best way to proceed.

How is the electric bill split? Could you get an electric heater to help until it gets sorted out?

No they have confirmed I'm still a tenant not a licensee as LL moved son in illegally.

Moomoomacshoe · 22-12-2019 9:30pm

FishOnABike wrote: »

You don't give much background information for people to figure out the situation.

At a minimum the following information would be needed by someone to try make head or tail of the situation. What was the nature of your occupancy before the LL's son moved in? How long are you there? How / on what grounds did the LL's son move in? How long ago did the LL's son move in?

Im there 3.5 years in a houseshare. Moved son in as a temporary measure but now is still there. Moved him in to take over the end of the lease but then they let him stay there. Ll son there a few months.

Moomoomacshoe · 22-12-2019 9:32pm

gooseygander wrote: »

Such a septic atmosphere to live in, deffo not saying you should give in to bullying but is it worth the stress with constant prtb disputes, not getting on with housemates and nobody comfortable around each other. Are you still paying full rent o.p ? Are you looking or contemplating finding a new place ? Life is too short and hard enough without this stress.

Yes I totally agree and yes am dying to leave. Problem is the LL is already trying to withold my deposit for damages the son has done and is saying wont repay money rtb determined they owe. I need my deposit to move.

punisher5112 · 22-12-2019 9:43pm

Go in and sit in the sitting room, bring a laptop or tablet and ear phones.....

I wouldn't be tolerating the no heat.

Eric Cartman · 22-12-2019 10:37pm

DubCount wrote: »

This may make things more complicated. If you go to the RTB, your LL may argue that you are now a licensee and not a tenant. Contact Threshold to get advice on the specific circumstance you are in, and whats the best way to proceed.

How is the electric bill split? Could you get an electric heater to help until it gets sorted out?

OP don't do this. The landlords son is clearly being unreasonable but using expensive electric heaters when youre all splitting a bill is the absolute lowest of the low in shared housing. If you work out how much more of the electricity it will cost then go ahead, maybe a plug in electricity meter.

looksee · 22-12-2019 11:22pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

OP don't do this. The landlords son is clearly being unreasonable but using expensive electric heaters when youre all splitting a bill is the absolute lowest of the low in shared housing. If you work out how much more of the electricity it will cost then go ahead, maybe a plug in electricity meter.

Surely turning off the heating is even lower?

punisher5112 · 22-12-2019 11:27pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

OP don't do this. The landlords son is clearly being unreasonable but using expensive electric heaters when youre all splitting a bill is the absolute lowest of the low in shared housing. If you work out how much more of the electricity it will cost then go ahead, maybe a plug in electricity meter.

Nuts.... They are entitled to a safe place with adequate heating and this is been kept from them....

If needs must then I would be putting in heaters too.

There is likely going to be compensation to the op and rightly so as what the LL or son or both are doing is plain wrong and illegal for that matter.

Keep receipts for heater purchase and bill change for what you have had to use extra on electricity....

silver2020 · 22-12-2019 11:28pm

You can get small 600w oil heaters - here's one

It won't burn electricity at a level that would be noticed and you can set it at a comfortable level. Small enough and light enough to hide.

Eric Cartman · 22-12-2019 11:46pm

looksee wrote: »

Surely turning off the heating is even lower?

yes, but two wrongs don't make a right.

the_syco · 23-12-2019 12:00am

Moomoomacshoe wrote: »

No they have confirmed I'm still a tenant not a licensee as LL moved son in illegally.

Are there any other tenants?

Moomoomacshoe · 23-12-2019 12:02am

punisher5112 wrote: »

Go in and sit in the sitting room, bring a laptop or tablet and ear phones.....

I wouldn't be tolerating the no heat.

I know...I'm just so tired of it all. They take over the place, there are 2 of them..a couple so its always 2 against one and the LL is telling them to make my life hell.

Moomoomacshoe · 23-12-2019 12:04am

the_syco wrote: »

Are there any other tenants?

The LL son is in a couple so just them and me. I might get the heaters...I can't get the heating to work.

Moomoomacshoe · 23-12-2019 12:06am

Eric Cartman wrote: »

yes, but two wrongs don't make a right.

They've done fifty thousand wrongs. I've even asked them to stop turning off the heating. The situation is horrendous.

23-12-2019 12:07am

Eric Cartman wrote: »

yes, but two wrongs don't make a right.

If it’s only the other parties and no other tenants then this definitely would make a right. An absolutely massive right.

punisher5112 · 23-12-2019 11:30am

Definitely get heating sorted.

How long have you given for it to be sorted in writing?

I'd definitely contact local environmental officer and get them out too.

Suppose making people lives hell can be a 2 way street.

Put up a few pics of the heating set up, may well be able to help.

FishOnABike · 23-12-2019 12:10pm

Moomoomacshoe wrote: »

The LL son is in a couple so just them and me. I might get the heaters...I can't get the heating to work.

Is the house detached?

Moomoomacshoe · 23-12-2019 3:50pm

Thanks for all the advice here. Looks like the Environmental Officer will be getting a call and Threshold are aware of the situation. I will be lodging another dispute.

endacl · 23-12-2019 3:56pm

wrmwit wrote: »

In the mean time, try sneak in bring a couple of electric heaters into your bedroom and lock the door. I had to do that before.

Better. No reason to be sneaking anywhere.

punisher5112 · 23-12-2019 4:14pm

Moomoomacshoe wrote: »

Thanks for all the advice here. Looks like the Environmental Officer will be getting a call and Threshold are aware of the situation. I will be lodging another dispute.

How are you honestly getting by at the moment health wise and sleeping etc as I'd gather it's not nice.

We had near 2 years of no heat as my parents at the time couldn't afford to get new boiler etc and my mother was terminally ill and not long left to live.

So horrible hearing what is going on and the way they are treating a paying customer as that's what you are. It's not his home it's actually yours and the sooner LL realise this the better as so many have it in their heads we owe them something..,. Obviously paying rent and looking after the place one couldn't ask for better then that.

Moomoomacshoe · 23-12-2019 9:20pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

How are you honestly getting by at the moment health wise and sleeping etc as I'd gather it's not nice.

We had near 2 years of no heat as my parents at the time couldn't afford to get new boiler etc and my mother was terminally ill and not long left to live.

So horrible hearing what is going on and the way they are treating a paying customer as that's what you are. It's not his home it's actually yours and the sooner LL realise this the better as so many have it in their heads we owe them something..,. Obviously paying rent and looking after the place one couldn't ask for better then that.

It's been unbelievably stressful. I cannot say the fight has been worth it as the situation just keeps escalating and at the end of the day, you end up being like a solicitor..the RTB should be much stricter i think, the onus is on the tenant to be akin to a lawyer.

Yes they think it's their home that's the problem and I should just leave, but the LL was fine taking money from me all those years.

Very sorry to hear about your situation

punisher5112 · 23-12-2019 9:26pm

Moomoomacshoe wrote: »

It's been unbelievably stressful. I cannot say the fight has been worth it as the situation just keeps escalating and at the end of the day, you end up being like a solicitor..the RTB should be much stricter i think, the onus is on the tenant to be akin to a lawyer.

Yes they think it's their home that's the problem and I should just leave, but the LL was fine taking money from me all those years.

Very sorry to hear about your situation

Ah was a long time ago, but thanks....

I honestly would be in and asking them why the heating isn't on and why you can't control it as you are paying the bills.

I'd be recording everything to be honest.

They are obviously trying to push you out as you have stated yourself.

What do you see in store yourself as in are you looking elsewhere or will you stick it out...

FishOnABike · 23-12-2019 9:38pm

If there are no adjoining neighbours I might just develop a 24/7 obsession with death metal in similar circumstances.

Samuel T. Cogley · 23-12-2019 9:52pm

I'm confused as to why they don't simply say they need the place back for family and evict (with correct notice) the OP if they're intent on getting them out.

punisher5112 · 23-12-2019 9:54pm

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

I'm confused as to why they don't simply say they need the place back for family and evict (with correct notice) the OP if they're intent on getting them out.

Probably thought this would be quicker as with notice it could be anywhere like 6 months depending....

Shocking how a paying customer for years is treated as such....

I believe there should be much better laws in place for tenants and LL too.

This free ride rubbish has to stop too.

Samuel T. Cogley · 23-12-2019 10:06pm

There really needs to be a deposit protection system in place.

Moomoomacshoe · 24-12-2019 12:24am

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

I'm confused as to why they don't simply say they need the place back for family and evict (with correct notice) the OP if they're intent on getting them out.

Well they are pretending they are taking it back for another sibling but I caught them advertising for higher rent...just trying to get rid to up rent. Ll moved the son in then n I already contested the first termination notice and won. It means I have to contest it again. Just to say, If they genuinely were taking back the premises I would have left.

The problem is, and I know I need to leave, where do I go? I will effectively be facing homelessness. Rents are extortionate.

Graces7 · 24-12-2019 10:55am

OP; looking after yourself is the priority here. Please get an electric heater today? It is far too cold and damp to be living as you are; you need all your strength to fight this ********… Please? While the shops are still open

Moomoomacshoe · 25-12-2019 10:33pm

Graces7 wrote: »

OP; looking after yourself is the priority here. Please get an electric heater today? It is far too cold and damp to be living as you are; you need all your strength to fight this ********… Please? While the shops are still open

Thank you...bought some. Great advice!

Moomoomacshoe · 27-12-2019 9:04pm

Moomoomacshoe · 27-12-2019 9:40pm

I know some are aware of my situation on here. The latest development is a large appliance came off the wall and almost fell on me. It was never secured in place.

Of course the LL is now trying to blame me and asking me to pay for damages. Can the environmental Health officer check these kind of thngs out? As it stands there is now an open live socket as the socket was pulled from wall...a health and safety hazard. LL refusing to do anything.

Yes I'm trying to move I was only there to pack my things. Thanks in advance.

Graham · 27-12-2019 9:43pm

Mod Note

Threads merged.

OP please stick to one thread.

Dakota Dan · 27-12-2019 9:45pm

Moomoomacshoe wrote: »

I know some are aware of my situation on here. The latest development is a large appliance came off the wall and almost fell on me. It was never secured in place.

Of course the LL is now trying to blame me and asking me to pay for damages. Can the environmental Health officer check these kind of thngs out? As it stands there is now an open live socket as the socket was pulled from wall...a health and safety hazard. LL refusing to do anything.

Yes I'm trying to move I was only there to pack my things. Thanks in advance.

It almost fell on you but didn’t, what type of appliance was it?

punisher5112 · 27-12-2019 10:41pm

If it's unsafe then stay well clear, if you can isolate by tripping MCB at consumer board.

Are you getting out? If yes then most likely nothing will be checked or done.

What fell....

27-12-2019 10:43pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

If it's unsafe then stay well clear, if you can isolate by tripping MCB at consumer board.

Are you getting out? If yes then most likely nothing will be checked or done.

What fell....

Yeah but it looks like they’re going to be hounded for ‘damages’ when they should really be getting a deposit back that they’ll never see. They’re lucky they have the OP there because a lot of people would absolutely destroy the place before they moved out after the behaviour, and you could hardly blame them.

Kaisr Sose · 27-12-2019 10:54pm

Moomoomacshoe wrote: »

I know some are aware of my situation on here. The latest development is a large appliance came off the wall and almost fell on me. It was never secured in place.

Of course the LL is now trying to blame me and asking me to pay for damages. Can the environmental Health officer check these kind of thngs out? As it stands there is now an open live socket as the socket was pulled from wall...a health and safety hazard. LL refusing to do anything.

Yes I'm trying to move I was only there to pack my things. Thanks in advance.

Take photos of where the 'appliance' was, how it was secured, what it was mounted on, the condition of the securing fixings, the wiring, everything. You are going to need this to counter any claim you damaged the item.

Seems a crazy situation. Get out of there as soon as soon as possible.

Moomoomacshoe · 28-12-2019 11:23am

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

Take photos of where the 'appliance' was, how it was secured, what it was mounted on, the condition of the securing fixings, the wiring, everything. You are going to need this to counter any claim you damaged the item.

Seems a crazy situation. Get out of there as soon as soon as possible.

I've pictures and witnesses. The machine wasn't secured in any way. I filed today with the RTB. Just wondering should I get a plumber to come out to assess the situation?

Moomoomacshoe · 28-12-2019 8:40pm

Graham wrote: »

Mod Note

Threads merged.

OP please stick to one thread.

Very sorry about that.

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