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Tenant heating

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  • 21-12-2019 3:40pm
    #1
    Moomoomacshoe
    Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭


    Hi my landlord's son has moved into the property. He is messing around with the heating turning it off when I set it. The house is baltic. Lanlord was notified and I have evidence and logs of all. Now the heating switches on but the radiators don't come on including in my room where they have no access to. Any ideas how theyre doing this?
    Also legally who do I contact? The house is freezing. The landlord is trying to force me out.
    Thanks


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    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Assuming this is the same property/lease you were referring to in an earlier thread, as it appears you already have communication with the RTB about this tenancy they would be the obvious first port of call.


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    Moomoomacshoe
    Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭Moomoomacshoe


    Graham wrote: »
    Assuming this is the same property/lease you were referring to in an earlier thread, as it appears you already have communication with the RTB about this tenancy they would be the obvious first port of call.

    Ok thank you. Yes, I won that tribunal. This is since then, attempts to bully me out...its just in the interim i have no heat. It takes a good while for the RTB process.


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    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,636 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Environmental Health section of your local council. Your complaint is no access to suitable means of heating.


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    wrmwit
    Registered Users Posts: 416 ✭✭wrmwit


    Moomoomacshoe wrote: »
    Ok thank you. Yes, I won that tribunal. This is since then, attempts to bully me out...its just in the interim i have no heat. It takes a good while for the RTB process.

    You just have to keep getting onto the RTB. They're your only port of call. And they're probably closed for two weeks over Christmas!

    In the mean time, try sneak in a couple of electric heaters into your bedroom and lock the door. I had to do that before.


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    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,647 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Where is the boiler?

    Thermostat turned down or pump turned off.

    Can you get to the boiler?


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    chuck eastwood
    Registered Users Posts: 533 ✭✭✭chuck eastwood


    wrmwit wrote: »
    You just have to keep getting onto the RTB. They're your only port of call. And they're probably closed for two weeks over Christmas!

    In the mean time, try sneak in a couple of electric heaters into your bedroom and lock the door. I had to do that before.

    Why would he have to sneak them in ?. His heating isn't working and he is obviously paying for it in some way. One way or another he is entitled to have a year source in his room


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    DubCount
    Registered Users Posts: 1,072 ✭✭✭DubCount


    Moomoomacshoe wrote: »
    my landlord's son has moved into the property.
    Thanks

    This may make things more complicated. If you go to the RTB, your LL may argue that you are now a licensee and not a tenant. Contact Threshold to get advice on the specific circumstance you are in, and whats the best way to proceed.

    How is the electric bill split? Could you get an electric heater to help until it gets sorted out?


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    FishOnABike
    Registered Users Posts: 4,408 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    You don't give much background information for people to figure out the situation.

    At a minimum the following information would be needed by someone to try make head or tail of the situation. What was the nature of your occupancy before the LL's son moved in? How long are you there? How / on what grounds did the LL's son move in? How long ago did the LL's son move in?


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    gooseygander
    Registered Users Posts: 317 ✭✭gooseygander


    Such a septic atmosphere to live in, deffo not saying you should give in to bullying but is it worth the stress with constant prtb disputes, not getting on with housemates and nobody comfortable around each other. Are you still paying full rent o.p ? Are you looking or contemplating finding a new place ? Life is too short and hard enough without this stress.


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    Moomoomacshoe
    Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭Moomoomacshoe


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    Where is the boiler?

    Thermostat turned down or pump turned off.

    Can you get to the boiler?

    Its behind the gas fire..they occupy the living room 24/7 never go anywhere ..i wouldnt have a clue what to look for ..could i get someone in to lookdo you think?


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    Moomoomacshoe
    Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭Moomoomacshoe


    DubCount wrote: »
    This may make things more complicated. If you go to the RTB, your LL may argue that you are now a licensee and not a tenant. Contact Threshold to get advice on the specific circumstance you are in, and whats the best way to proceed.

    How is the electric bill split? Could you get an electric heater to help until it gets sorted out?

    No they have confirmed I'm still a tenant not a licensee as LL moved son in illegally.


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    Moomoomacshoe
    Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭Moomoomacshoe


    FishOnABike wrote: »
    You don't give much background information for people to figure out the situation.

    At a minimum the following information would be needed by someone to try make head or tail of the situation. What was the nature of your occupancy before the LL's son moved in? How long are you there? How / on what grounds did the LL's son move in? How long ago did the LL's son move in?

    Im there 3.5 years in a houseshare. Moved son in as a temporary measure but now is still there. Moved him in to take over the end of the lease but then they let him stay there. Ll son there a few months.


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    Moomoomacshoe
    Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭Moomoomacshoe


    gooseygander wrote: »
    Such a septic atmosphere to live in, deffo not saying you should give in to bullying but is it worth the stress with constant prtb disputes, not getting on with housemates and nobody comfortable around each other. Are you still paying full rent o.p ? Are you looking or contemplating finding a new place ? Life is too short and hard enough without this stress.

    Yes I totally agree and yes am dying to leave. Problem is the LL is already trying to withold my deposit for damages the son has done and is saying wont repay money rtb determined they owe. I need my deposit to move.


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    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,647 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Go in and sit in the sitting room, bring a laptop or tablet and ear phones.....

    I wouldn't be tolerating the no heat.


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    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    DubCount wrote: »
    This may make things more complicated. If you go to the RTB, your LL may argue that you are now a licensee and not a tenant. Contact Threshold to get advice on the specific circumstance you are in, and whats the best way to proceed.

    How is the electric bill split? Could you get an electric heater to help until it gets sorted out?

    OP don't do this. The landlords son is clearly being unreasonable but using expensive electric heaters when youre all splitting a bill is the absolute lowest of the low in shared housing. If you work out how much more of the electricity it will cost then go ahead, maybe a plug in electricity meter.


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    looksee
    Registered Users Posts: 28,195 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    OP don't do this. The landlords son is clearly being unreasonable but using expensive electric heaters when youre all splitting a bill is the absolute lowest of the low in shared housing. If you work out how much more of the electricity it will cost then go ahead, maybe a plug in electricity meter.

    Surely turning off the heating is even lower?


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    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,647 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    OP don't do this. The landlords son is clearly being unreasonable but using expensive electric heaters when youre all splitting a bill is the absolute lowest of the low in shared housing. If you work out how much more of the electricity it will cost then go ahead, maybe a plug in electricity meter.

    Nuts.... They are entitled to a safe place with adequate heating and this is been kept from them....

    If needs must then I would be putting in heaters too.

    There is likely going to be compensation to the op and rightly so as what the LL or son or both are doing is plain wrong and illegal for that matter.

    Keep receipts for heater purchase and bill change for what you have had to use extra on electricity....


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    silver2020
    Registered Users Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭silver2020


    You can get small 600w oil heaters - here's one

    It won't burn electricity at a level that would be noticed and you can set it at a comfortable level. Small enough and light enough to hide.


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    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    looksee wrote: »
    Surely turning off the heating is even lower?

    yes, but two wrongs don't make a right.


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    the_syco
    Registered Users Posts: 37,295 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Moomoomacshoe wrote: »
    No they have confirmed I'm still a tenant not a licensee as LL moved son in illegally.
    Are there any other tenants?


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    Moomoomacshoe
    Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭Moomoomacshoe


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    Go in and sit in the sitting room, bring a laptop or tablet and ear phones.....

    I wouldn't be tolerating the no heat.

    I know...I'm just so tired of it all. They take over the place, there are 2 of them..a couple so its always 2 against one and the LL is telling them to make my life hell.


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    #23
    Moomoomacshoe
    Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭Moomoomacshoe


    the_syco wrote: »
    Are there any other tenants?

    The LL son is in a couple so just them and me. I might get the heaters...I can't get the heating to work.


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    #24
    Moomoomacshoe
    Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭Moomoomacshoe


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    yes, but two wrongs don't make a right.

    They've done fifty thousand wrongs. I've even asked them to stop turning off the heating. The situation is horrendous.


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    [Deleted User]
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    yes, but two wrongs don't make a right.

    If it’s only the other parties and no other tenants then this definitely would make a right. An absolutely massive right.


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    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,647 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Definitely get heating sorted.

    How long have you given for it to be sorted in writing?

    I'd definitely contact local environmental officer and get them out too.

    Suppose making people lives hell can be a 2 way street.

    Put up a few pics of the heating set up, may well be able to help.


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    FishOnABike
    Registered Users Posts: 4,408 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    Moomoomacshoe wrote: »
    The LL son is in a couple so just them and me. I might get the heaters...I can't get the heating to work.

    Is the house detached?


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    Moomoomacshoe
    Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭Moomoomacshoe


    Thanks for all the advice here. Looks like the Environmental Officer will be getting a call and Threshold are aware of the situation. I will be lodging another dispute.


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    endacl
    Registered Users Posts: 22,249 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    wrmwit wrote: »
    In the mean time, try sneak in bring a couple of electric heaters into your bedroom and lock the door. I had to do that before.

    Better. No reason to be sneaking anywhere.


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    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,647 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Moomoomacshoe wrote: »
    Thanks for all the advice here. Looks like the Environmental Officer will be getting a call and Threshold are aware of the situation. I will be lodging another dispute.

    How are you honestly getting by at the moment health wise and sleeping etc as I'd gather it's not nice.

    We had near 2 years of no heat as my parents at the time couldn't afford to get new boiler etc and my mother was terminally ill and not long left to live.

    So horrible hearing what is going on and the way they are treating a paying customer as that's what you are. It's not his home it's actually yours and the sooner LL realise this the better as so many have it in their heads we owe them something..,. Obviously paying rent and looking after the place one couldn't ask for better then that.


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    Moomoomacshoe
    Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭Moomoomacshoe


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    How are you honestly getting by at the moment health wise and sleeping etc as I'd gather it's not nice.

    We had near 2 years of no heat as my parents at the time couldn't afford to get new boiler etc and my mother was terminally ill and not long left to live.

    So horrible hearing what is going on and the way they are treating a paying customer as that's what you are. It's not his home it's actually yours and the sooner LL realise this the better as so many have it in their heads we owe them something..,. Obviously paying rent and looking after the place one couldn't ask for better then that.

    It's been unbelievably stressful. I cannot say the fight has been worth it as the situation just keeps escalating and at the end of the day, you end up being like a solicitor..the RTB should be much stricter i think, the onus is on the tenant to be akin to a lawyer.

    Yes they think it's their home that's the problem and I should just leave, but the LL was fine taking money from me all those years.

    Very sorry to hear about your situation


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