Lodgers.... am i being unreasonable....

Stark wrote: »

There's one piece of advice I've received many times with regard to renting. Never move in with an owner occupier.

Obviously. If you’re looking for a house share it’s a bad idea.

marieholmfan wrote: »

Co tenants . Your use of the term lodger is wishful thinking.

Not really; fluffingtons is renting the entire property and,wit the consent of the landlord, has sublet. THis menas that fluffingtons is the landlord for that resident. After 6 months, the subtenant could request part IV rights as against the head landlord. However, as they are a family member of fluffingtons, the protections of the RTA won't be available to them.

It's a harsh reality. Seems like both the subtenant and fluffingtons didn't do their homework and are reaping as they sowed. However, fluffingtons has an exit.

marieholmfan wrote: »

She is a co tenAnt not a lodger. Fluffington is delusional .

Fkuffingtons has a lease of the property from his/her family member and has sublet to the "lodger". For this reason, the lodger has not action against the landlord and therefore has no security of tenure. After 6 months, a "multiople tenant" as the lodger is known in the RTA is entitled to ask for rights as agains the actual owner. HOwever, as that person is a family member of fluffingtons, the RTA does not apply. Trace it through the law yourself if you don't agree. (As opposed to simply reposting the same seafoid.)

marieholmfan wrote: »

She is a co tenAnt not a lodger. Fluffington is delusional .

James 007 wrote: »

So in order to help the poster & myself, lets start making the set of rules, I'll start the first 10:
1. Heating is set from X to Y at a Temp of Z
2. No hogging the kitchen/dining area as an office, please use your desk/chair in your room for office/laptop periods
3. Peak morning shower time, 8 to 10am, max. usage time X mins
4. Peak evening cooking time, 6 to 9pm, max. usage time Y mins
5. No noise, loud music, parties in the house
6. No over-staying guests allowed in the house
7. No smoking in the house
8. Keep all communal areas clean
9. No hogging the washing machine/dryer, cycles to be taken in turns
10. Head phones to be used in conjunction with laptops at all times

I’d personally find point #3,4,10 a bit much.

People should be able to shower and cook at any time within reason.

The loud noise covers the laptop issue So don’t see why it’s mandatory for a headset.

This is a typical I want my own space but do not want to pay for it or I want extra money for my lifestyle. A few years ago my eldest lad rented a room off an owner/occupier. He worked night intermittently here nephew and nieces used to come into the house to lounge about and watch TV during the summer. My daughter was looking for accomdation in Dublin two years ago she went to see a few owner occupier houses, most wanted top dollar with rules like you could not use the sitting room and had to spend most of the evening in your bedroom. On heating some people are willing to live in iceboxes other want toast boxes. If you are paying for a place to stay and nowadays with high rental prices tenants deserve some leeway. Lots of young people continue further studies after initial qualifications, more and more people work irregular hours. If you are renting you are entitled to live in the house.....I think

OP - I had a problem with a flatmate ( lodger) who used crank the heating up when I was out.Sadly I found out the real extent after he left as he was sneeky about it snd used make sure it was on all day when I was out at work, but turned off when I was home & the timer never used so no visible trace until the bill came.. as bills were included in the rent & he got worse & worse I dont think I made any kind of profit beyond e100 a month from having him. He worked nights and was very quiet and considerate.

Id agree with the others that you say the situation isnt working out & that you cannot live in a athmosphere & tell her youre sorry, you will give her good refrrence but she needs to find somewhere that will be s better fit for her needs. Give her or discuss with her a date that she will vacate by -say the 29th of Feb. There are short term rentals online liike hostfamily.ie where she can rent by the week or month while she looks - she won’t be stuck.

Is there a way you can secure the heating control? Seal s padlock onto the side of a door or something. Alternatively in the interim you could say that as she has taken it upon herself to turn on & increaae the household bill during the day then you will be asking for x (80) extra per month for her daytime useage of the heat.

If she is ‘working’ with children maybe the area suits her - it might be worth having a frank conversation regarding the common areas & increased heat bill & specifying that the house cannot be used fof professional purposes ie working from home & that the kitchen is that -an eating and socialising space & not for prolongued pc use as there is another comfortable room for that. I wonder will she just crank up the heating bill more by moving in there?

I had a significant issue with someone who told me they had a 9-5 job in the city cemtre & then increasingly didnt go in or wanted to ‘ work from home’ or take a me day - every other day. I had to be really tough with them as I was not planning on having them in running up gas and lx bills sll day -it became a big problem and it was like living with s badgempered sulky teenager.I suspect they had been fired.In the longrun they didnt pay the rent or bills, I gave them noticed and withheld the outstanding from the deposit but got a lovely other person in instead a while later.

I do find that people tend to have more diverse types of jobs and have been stung before (I never saw it coming) so I focus on having a solid conversation with them when they apply to move in - finding out where they work, their length of contract, if they are self employed ( horrorstory-avoid) and if they are paid monthly or fortnightly to organise how to structure a rent day that might best suit us both. I now specify that the house is for personsl use & no professional activities or work can be carried out from it and that the room is for single use only. This weeds out all the couples and types wanting to move from abroad and work/sign on/ doss in the city for a few holdiay months while partying in the house.

I also find that people tend to be dug into their laptops and phones a lot more.Im lucky -I have a very good & financially reliable lodger but I’m torn between sometimes thinking they are very antisocial in their bedroom & then wondering if they dislike me as they spend ALL their free time in their laptop in their bedroom! Its s modern world I guess!

I think many of the responses in this thread sum up the underlying issue. There's an expectation from the licensee that they are going to be a tenant, probably because they don't understand the difference. They just see the place they want and go for it. The rent-a-room scheme was brought in to increase the amount of accommodation available. Essentially, the licensee is a paying guest and is severely limited, as opposed to taking out a tenancy agreement. If this scheme disappeared, a huge amount of accommodation would be gone. It just wouldn't make any sense financially or lifestyle-wise for home owners (or tenants who have permission to take in a lodger) to have paying guests (strangers) in their house under those circumstances.

Anyway, the OP seems clear on the facts of the scheme, and has stated a couple of times that they will give the licensee a couple of days and then decide if a chat is needed.

The rent-a-room scheme is clearly defined on revenue and citizens information websites.

fluffingtons wrote: »

nope
its a crap situation

Then don't do it, if it's not worth it and is a crap situation. You've already said you're only doing it to help you get the money for a house of your own. You don't need them there to help you pay the rent. Or just leave it at one lodger that you're happy with and make less money. It's not like you're being forced to rent a room to help pay your mortgage.

SteM wrote: »

Then don't do it, if it's not worth it and is a crap situation. You've already said you're only doing it to help you get the money for a house of your own. You don't need them there to help you pay the rent. Or just leave it at one lodger that you're happy with and make less money. It's not like you're being forced to rent a room to help pay your mortgage.

It's called planning for the future

SteM wrote: »

The OP was asked



The OP replied



So if it's not worth it financially then why do it? How is that planning for your future?

A crap situation does not mean it is not worth it.
Short term pain for long term gain.

Ballso wrote: »

The house share space has a litany of its own issues, lack of supply, crazy rent prices, disastrous quality of accommodation and run by a parasitic landlord class with no regard for tenancy law. Few would live in either situation given a choice.

Not the fault of anybody offering a room to rent though. If there was a shortage of apples you wouldn’t criticise the orange suppliers because their oranges weren’t apples.

Ballso wrote: »

The house share space has a litany of its own issues, lack of supply, crazy rent prices, disastrous quality of accommodation and run by a parasitic landlord class with no regard for tenancy law. Few would live in either situation given a choice.

And few would choose to rent given a choice, but many homeowners who need to rent out their homes are not permanent civil servants but work with volatile market forces and who may be forced to move job and rent elsewhere or to have to travel for their job and work overseas or who lose their job and the mortgage still has to be paid. This juvenile self entitled evil landlord vomit is becoming jaded. In the past ten years BY tenants I have been robbed more times by tennants both by bills run up and absconded on as well as services taken - a month or more living inmy home and not paid for. I have had significant damage done to the house that is neither covered by deposit nor the quickly vanishing tenant - people who are so called professionals and who work and hold down good jobs. By all means cast stones at landlords who cheat and lie but for many homeowners who enter into an agreement to rent or share their home for an agreed monthly cash fee they expect decent behaviour, the house to be treated with respect and not damaged and fair standards of behviour and decency. In most cases, they have far more to lose in terms of damage and costs than a tenant who is encurcled by lobbyists and the left brigade. I’d live to see a darabase created of lying, cheating, destructive, absconding, non paying tenants hosted by the PTRB buy it seems that has to operate underground and by publically shaming liars and thieves via their linkedIn and facebook/instagram profiles so that other people will be warned about their practices and damage and non paying of rent.

Regarding the OP I guess he will learn to set or negotiate house behaviours and expectations more closely in future as we are all different and have different sets of backgrounds and behaviours and expectations. Like many others, I would not expect to be stating rules to say no setting fire to furniture in the bedroom, no prostitution from the house, do not shower on the floor of the bathroom for an hour so you destroy the cealing and then leave it running wheile leaving the house, or do not steal and dissappear having cleaned out the house while I am at work - but hey - there are basics we all expect from decent human beings and none of those listed above are normal or typical behaviours. Unfortunately I’ve had them ALL from tenants.

Sadly you have to set rules and standards and keep a close eye on things these fay as common decency and basic good values and honesty seem far from the norm. Good luck yo the OP. At least he is there to manage the ongoing.