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READ SUMMARY IN POST 986 - Amazon.uk Post-Brexit

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  • #1352
    harmless
    Registered Users Posts: 980 ✭✭✭harmless


    Caranica wrote: »
    Two items ordered on the 11th. Delivery date 25 January. This one is on its way to my today, the other has yet to dispatch...makes zero sense. Prime service my posterior!!

    Incidentally, both are small ticket office supplies of the same brand. Not two hugely different items. Sold and dispatched by Amazon.
    They probably come from different warehouses.

    Try ordering from just about any other UK based retailer and you will see Amazon are really on the ball with this.
    Again I stress it will probably never be as fast as it was again but Amazon will increase efficiency with the customs process over time.

    If you need items fast buy from Amazon Germany and pay the delivery fee. If you want to save money order from the UK with prime.


  • #1353
    og2k7
    Registered Users Posts: 415 ✭✭og2k7


    ordered 2 blindboy books on Friday: delivery was for 24/01. Get them yesterday so 3 days with the weekend in-between

    Another item (food safe grease) shipped on Sunday. Customs clearing yesterday with the delivery date for 28/01

    Seems different products have different times (depending on popularity/stock etc)

    The last item was with prime but shipped from DE (via uk.co) has a range of dates between today and 29/01

    Generally everything worse than before the b-day

    I am starting to look at AliExpress more for things i don't immediately need as the last 2 deliveries took 10 and 14 days from China which is absolutely amazing. And I used AliExpress typically for items i can wait for and wouldn't need for 2 months in general


  • #1354
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,588 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Remember that anything coming from Aliexpress from China will be hit by customs from the start of July; so it may only be a temporary alternative.


  • #1355
    Sheep Shagger
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 6,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sheep Shagger


    harmless wrote: »
    I thought you were looking for a possible explanation for the delays....




    It will improve of course as Amazon and customs staff are fully trained in. A free trade deal does not guarantee friction-less trade like the single market it just reduces or eliminates most tariffs.

    What have customs got to do with amazon robots in the warehouse taking longer to pick and dispatch orders?

    Whatever about customs delays with brexit which is understandable the other delays don't.


  • #1356
    Ogham
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭Ogham


    deadl0ck wrote: »
    So even if I don't pay for delivery (I'm prime) ?
    Do they estimate the delivery cost then or what?

    There is no VAT on delivery charge to Ireland for Prime members.

    But there is for non Prime who get free delivery because the order is over £20.
    They apply teh vat to the delivery charge before they deduct the delivery charge.


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  • #1357
    harmless
    Registered Users Posts: 980 ✭✭✭harmless


    og2k7 wrote: »

    I am starting to look at AliExpress more for things i don't immediately need as the last 2 deliveries took 10 and 14 days from China which is absolutely amazing. And I used AliExpress typically for items i can wait for and wouldn't need for 2 months in general


    Good idea, get the most out of the Chinese sites before the change to VAT rules in July.


  • #1358
    harmless
    Registered Users Posts: 980 ✭✭✭harmless


    Sheep Shagger wrote: »
    What have customs got to do with amazon robots in the warehouse taking longer to pick and dispatch orders?

    Whatever about customs delays with brexit which is understandable the other delays don't.


    Are you joking?
    It's their job to ensure the customs labels are correct unless they want to be in the same situation as DPD.
    Shipping is taking about the same length of time as before, the customs checks Amazon were smart enough to implement have caused long delays at the warehouse in exchange for almost no delay when it lands in Ireland.


  • #1359
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    harmless wrote: »
    Are you joking?
    It's their job to ensure the customs labels are correct unless they want to be in the same situation as DPD.

    It took 7 days for the customs process to start on your order. It's not the main reason for the delay.


  • #1360
    harmless
    Registered Users Posts: 980 ✭✭✭harmless


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It took 7 days for the customs process to start on your order. It's not the main reason for the delay.


    The customs check info on the tracking is not correct, it's not taking less than 60 seconds like it shows on there.


  • #1361
    RCSATELLITES
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 555 ✭✭✭RCSATELLITES


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Yes. You still have to pay tax on the delivery because Royal Mail etc. were still charged to deliver it to AddressPal even if you weren't. Not sure how they calculate it though.

    I don't think that is correct. Vat is charged on delivery from uk to ireland but in how it makes it's way around the uk is irrelevant.


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  • #1362
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    harmless wrote: »
    The customs check info on the tracking is not correct, it's not taking less than 60 seconds like it shows on there.

    You ordered on the 7th. The first update was on the 14th and it was about the customs process starting.

    And it can quite easily take <60 seconds to process it.


  • #1363
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    RCSATELLITES wrote: »
    I don't think that is correct. Vat is charged on delivery from uk to ireland but in how it makes it's way around the uk is irrelevant.

    VAT is charged on the landing cost, which includes the item cost, the Addresspal delivery fee, the Addresspal processing fee and any delivery charges within the UK.


  • #1364
    harmless
    Registered Users Posts: 980 ✭✭✭harmless


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You ordered on the 7th. The first update was on the 14th and it was about the customs process starting.

    And it can quite easily take <60 seconds to process it.


    Yes the actual check but the whole process with the massive backlog takes far longer. Parcels are sitting there waiting to be checked.
    The other option is no check and have 1/5 of the orders be rejected, like what is happening with many other companies.


  • #1365
    whiterebel
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,014 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    Deleted User wrote: »
    VAT is charged on the landing cost, which includes the item cost, the Addresspal delivery fee, the Addresspal processing fee and any delivery charges within the UK.

    It doesn't include the Processing/Customs clearance fee. That is a cost after it has landed.


  • #1366
    og2k7
    Registered Users Posts: 415 ✭✭og2k7


    L1011 wrote: »
    Remember that anything coming from Aliexpress from China will be hit by customs from the start of July; so it may only be a temporary alternative.

    Typically order below 20 eur

    I did buy things over though and got stung for VAT once when bought a phone.

    I would think that if VAT will be an issue there will be more stock in the EUR warehouses (like i bought Xiaomi Roborock hoover which was 350 and was shipped from Spain I think).

    Most of the items - if they start applying VAT will be still worth buying as they are very cheap.

    Wonder if all the items will be hit with VAT? ANPost would need to hire thousands of people to inspect every single packet and then claim say 20 cents fee - is that even feasable? Genuine question

    EDIT - read more about it on

    Note

    From 1 July 2021 import VAT will:

    https://www.revenue.ie/en/importing-vehicles-duty-free-allowances/buying-of-goods-online-for-personal-use/buying-goods-from-outside-the-eu.aspx

    be payable on all goods entering the EU, irrespective of their value
    and
    always be collected, irrespective of the amount due.

    F***!


  • #1367
    bb12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 886 ✭✭✭bb12


    Deleted User wrote: »
    But they don't have that built into their prices. If you order something that costs £10 on Amazon, the price of that item is £10 whether you have Prime or not. If you don't have Prime, you pay for delivery. If you do have Prime, you are also still paying for delivery as the delivery cost is paid for by a fraction of your Prime subscription.

    How it works for websites that offer free delivery without the need to pay for a subscription (or for Amazon items above the £20 UK free delivery threshold), I'm not as sure but I would assume that it works the way you suggested. deadl0ck's item was however below this threshold.

    well i've put an order in today with a different uk online site which offers free postage within the uk delivering to addresspal (retailer only ships to uk).
    order total is £86 so euro equivalent is about €98.50.

    I'm expecting total fee from addresspal on this to be 6.50 + 3.50 + 22.78 (irish vat on total of 108.50) = 32.78.

    Will wait and see what happens in a couple of days


  • #1368
    harmless
    Registered Users Posts: 980 ✭✭✭harmless


    og2k7 wrote: »
    Wonder if all the items will be hit with VAT? ANPost would need to hire thousands of people to inspect every single packet and then claim say 20 cents fee - is that even feasable? Genuine question

    Possibly not feasible and if Irish revenue have their way they may decide to continue to ignore many low value items. We will have to wait and see what the EU have to say about it.

    Irish revenue have an obligation to protect the EU single market.


  • #1369
    og2k7
    Registered Users Posts: 415 ✭✭og2k7


    harmless wrote: »
    Possibly not feasible and if Irish revenue have their way they may decide to continue to ignore many low value items. We will have to wait and see what the EU have to say about it.

    Irish revenue have an obligation to protect the EU single market.

    Looking at the examples from revenue it will absolutely kill AliExpress

    Imagine buying accessories for a Barbie doll (which we actually bought for our daughter) for 50 cents. Imagine adding 10EUR processing fee

    suddenly becomes 10.50 EUR

    absolutely insane if its applicable to all items even the tiniest ones


  • #1370
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    whiterebel wrote: »
    It doesn't include the Processing/Customs clearance fee. That is a cost after it has landed.

    Isn't landed cost defined as total price of getting the item to it's final destination, i.e. your doorstep, rather than to your country? Or am I remembering that incorrectly? Or am I wrong in the other sense in that VAT is not charged on the landing cost but on something else?


  • #1371
    harmless
    Registered Users Posts: 980 ✭✭✭harmless


    og2k7 wrote: »
    Looking at the examples from revenue it will absolutely kill AliExpress

    Imagine buying accessories for a Barbie doll (which we actually bought for our daughter) for 50 cents. Imagine adding 10EUR processing fee

    suddenly becomes 10.50 EUR

    absolutely insane if its applicable to all items even the tiniest ones


    Yup that's the point, the EU is currently in trade negotiations with China and may be using this to strengthen their position.


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  • #1372
    harmless
    Registered Users Posts: 980 ✭✭✭harmless


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Isn't landed cost defined as total price of getting the item to it's final destination, i.e. your doorstep, rather than to your country? Or am I remembering that incorrectly? Or am I wrong in the other sense in that VAT is not charged on the landing cost but on something else?


    They may be confusing it with the customs clearance fee some couriers charge.


  • #1373
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    harmless wrote: »
    They may be confusing it with the customs clearance fee some couriers charge.

    That would also fall under what (I understand) landed cost is defined as but now I'm questioning that. :pac:

    I'll wait until whiterebel replies, but I was quite sure that landed cost isn't defined the way he or she is suggesting it is.


  • #1374
    harmless
    Registered Users Posts: 980 ✭✭✭harmless


    Deleted User wrote: »
    That would also fall under what (I understand) landed cost is defined as but now I'm questioning that. :pac:

    I'll wait until whiterebel replies, but I was quite sure that landed cost isn't defined the way he or she is suggesting it is.


    That charge is not applied by the courier until it has cleared customs so it could be different but I'm unsure about it.


  • #1375
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    harmless wrote: »
    That charge is not applied by the courier until it has cleared customs so it could be different but I'm unsure about it.

    It's not charged yet but it is part of (what I understand) the landed cost is, and (I believed) import VAT was charged on the landed cost.


  • #1376
    whiterebel
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,014 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Isn't landed cost defined as total price of getting the item to it's final destination, i.e. your doorstep, rather than to your country? Or am I remembering that incorrectly? Or am I wrong in the other sense in that VAT is not charged on the landing cost but on something else?

    You're right, but landed doesn't (or at least never did) include the cost of Customs clearance. Other than that, it's to the door. I never asked why, but thinking about it now, it may be because it's not really a part of the movement.
    Addresspal fees from UK or US are included in calculations, but not their processing charge.

    It might explain one that has been bugging me for a while.
    I'm sure that when I worked in the business, imports from outside the EU weren't subject to VAT on the movement i.e. pick up in the US, container to Dublin port etc. This is true for UPS, FedEx, DHL from the US.....apart from UPS who charge VAT on their clearance fee; €3.45 on the minimum €15.00 (@23%). Maybe the rest are wrong, and UPS are right - the clearance is outside the movement and should be subject to VAT?

    An Post/AddressPal do say VAT is included, but it's probably just done to cover themselves.


  • #1377
    RCSATELLITES
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 555 ✭✭✭RCSATELLITES


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    VAT is charged on the landing cost, which includes the item cost, the Addresspal delivery fee, the Addresspal processing fee and any delivery charges within the UK.

    Have you got any facts to back the "any delivery charges within the UK"

    Like a link to exactly where this is stated on the revenue website.

    I bought an item from a uk company delivery was free to addresspal. They didn't ad any delivery charge or vat. Now when amazon deliver to ireland evening you got the delivery free they ad the £6 and vat is charges in that.

    I stand to be corrected but any delivery costs within the uk are not used for calculating the vat charges in ireland.

    This is what I am saying.

    If I pay £20 delivery from liverpool to addresspal in the uk. Does addresspal use the item cost for customs or do they use the item plus the £20 for customs.


  • #1378
    harmless
    Registered Users Posts: 980 ✭✭✭harmless


    RCSATELLITES wrote: »
    Have you got any facts to back the "any delivery charges within the UK"

    Like a link to exactly where this is stated on the revenue website.


    The customs value on which Customs Duty is calculated is the cost of the goods plus:
    • transport (including postage)
    • any insurance
    • and
    • any handling charges
    https://www.revenue.ie/en/importing-vehicles-duty-free-allowances/buying-of-goods-online-for-personal-use/buying-goods-from-outside-the-eu.aspx


  • #1379
    RCSATELLITES
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 555 ✭✭✭RCSATELLITES


    harmless wrote: »


    The customs value on which Customs Duty is calculated is the cost of the goods plus:
    • transport (including postage)
    • any insurance
    • and
    • any handling charges
    https://www.revenue.ie/en/importing-vehicles-duty-free-allowances/buying-of-goods-online-for-personal-use/buying-goods-from-outside-the-eu.aspx

    to deliver the goods to the EU.

    From the last point in the uk?


  • #1380
    whiterebel
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,014 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    Transport is from the seller unless the terms are something like FOB (Free on Board) where the seller pays up to loading on vessel, aircraft or truck. If they specifically state that postage is paid within the UK, they wouldn't charge on that part, that's FOB.
    Most shipments are Ex Works, freight is the responsibility of the buyer, from the seller to their premises.


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  • #1381
    deadl0ck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,192 ✭✭✭deadl0ck


    RCSATELLITES wrote: »
    Have you got any facts to back the "any delivery charges within the UK"

    Like a link to exactly where this is stated on the revenue website.

    I bought an item from a uk company delivery was free to addresspal. They didn't ad any delivery charge or vat. Now when amazon deliver to ireland evening you got the delivery free they ad the £6 and vat is charges in that.

    I stand to be corrected but any delivery costs within the uk are not used for calculating the vat charges in ireland.

    This is what I am saying.

    If I pay £20 delivery from liverpool to addresspal in the uk. Does addresspal use the item cost for customs or do they use the item plus the £20 for customs.

    Well, a few posts back I posted that I was charged 9 Euro of fees on a 14 pounds item that I used address Pal for (6.50)
    People in the thread seemed to think they also included the cost of shipping it to AddressPal (even though I didn't pay any shipping as I'm prime).
    They came up a Customs Value of € 28.54
    I'd love to know if this is the case


  • #1382
    harmless
    Registered Users Posts: 980 ✭✭✭harmless


    deadl0ck wrote: »
    Well, a few posts back I posted that I was charged 9 Euro of fees on a 14 pounds item that I used address Pal for (6.50)
    People in the thread seemed to think they also included the cost of shipping it to AddressPal (even though I didn't pay any shipping as I'm prime).
    They came up a Customs Value of € 28.54
    I'd love to know if this is the case


    Good info

    So €16.42(£14.61) + €6.50(address pal fee) + €3.50(An Post fee) = €26.42

    €26.42 is over the €22 threshold and VAT must be applied but it's not €28.54 even accounting for the variance in Sterling/Euro rate.

    What was the country of origin of the product or where was the business located, China?

    A small duty fee could account for the extra €2 euro on the customs value


  • #1383
    whiterebel
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,014 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    harmless wrote: »
    Good info

    So €16.42(£14.61) + €6.50(address pal fee) + €3.50(An Post fee) = €26.42

    €26.42 is over the €22 threshold and VAT must be applied but it's not €28.54 even accounting for the variance in Sterling/Euro rate.

    What was the country of origin of the product or where was the business located, China?

    A small duty fee could account for the extra €2 euro on the customs value

    The €3.50 isn't included in their calculations for VAT.

    I wonder is it one where there was no invoice included and they googled the product for a value? AP haven't been doing their usual and making contact looking for valuations.


  • #1384
    rubadub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,382 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    As per usual, people asking for help but little info for some reason.

    giphy.gif

    I had said in this or another thread I wondered if they might start hitting people for prime, just like they hit them for "free/discounted" postage on amazon.

    It seems to be a blatant exploitable loophole, and if other companies wanted to they could really exploit it to try an avoid tax. e.g. if I have a company amazonia.co.uk and have a service called Dime which costs £1000 to sign up to, you get free postage and can buy a laptop for pittance once a month.


  • #1385
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    rubadub wrote: »
    I had said in this or another thread I wondered if they might start hitting people for prime, just like they hit them for "free/discounted" postage on amazon.


    It seems to be a blatant exploitable loophole, and if other companies wanted to they could really exploit it to try an avoid tax. e.g. if I have a company amazonia.co.uk and have a service called Dime which costs £1000 to sign up to, you get free postage and can buy a laptop for pittance once a month.

    Tbh, I also wouldn't be surprised if one reason for the slow delivery and possible backlog is because some of the people who have an Ebay or Adverts storefront are buying as many VAT exempt items as possible to sell on.


  • #1386
    RCSATELLITES
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 555 ✭✭✭RCSATELLITES


    harmless wrote: »
    Good info

    So €16.42(£14.61) + €6.50(address pal fee) + €3.50(An Post fee) = €26.42

    €26.42 is over the €22 threshold and VAT must be applied but it's not €28.54 even accounting for the variance in Sterling/Euro rate.

    What was the country of origin of the product or where was the business located, China?

    A small duty fee could account for the extra €2 euro on the customs value

    Also no customs or duty on items less than €150.00


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  • #1387
    deadl0ck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,192 ✭✭✭deadl0ck


    harmless wrote: »
    Good info

    So €16.42(£14.61) + €6.50(address pal fee) + €3.50(An Post fee) = €26.42

    €26.42 is over the €22 threshold and VAT must be applied but it's not €28.54 even accounting for the variance in Sterling/Euro rate.

    What was the country of origin of the product or where was the business located, China?

    A small duty fee could account for the extra €2 euro on the customs value

    What was the country of origin of the product or where was the business located, China?

    On the Amazon invoice the seller is listed as

    Sold by
    Amazon EU S.à r.l., UK Branch
    1 Principal Place, Worship Street
    London, EC2A 2FA
    United Kingdom
    VAT # GB727255821


  • #1388
    RCSATELLITES
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 555 ✭✭✭RCSATELLITES


    deadl0ck wrote: »
    Well, a few posts back I posted that I was charged 9 Euro of fees on a 14 pounds item that I used address Pal for (6.50)
    People in the thread seemed to think they also included the cost of shipping it to AddressPal (even though I didn't pay any shipping as I'm prime).
    They came up a Customs Value of € 28.54
    I'd love to know if this is the case


    You paid 14 pounds and addresspal added the delivery of £6.00 so that's £20 pounds. £20 × 1.105 = €22.10 and then their delivery of €6.50 = €28.60

    That's what I think. They charged you the £6 that Amazon charges for delivery to ireland.

    Here is an order I made from Amazon.

    Items:£16.68
    Postage & Packing:£6.00
    Total before VAT:£22.68
    Total:£22.68
    Promotion Applied:-£11.00
    Import Fees Deposit£4.76
    Order Total: £16.44

    The postage get used for the import fee Deposit
    £22.68 × 0.21 = £4.76

    Even though I got delivery for free but It goes in as a promotion.

    Also my promotion of £5 wasn't taken off for the vat calculation. But was taken for the uk price.

    Anyway I don't think I should pay anything as the vat is less than €6 and revenue don't collect it. So I suspect I will get a refund once an post confirms that to amazon.


  • #1389
    deadl0ck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,192 ✭✭✭deadl0ck


    RCSATELLITES wrote: »
    You paid 14 pounds and addresspal added the delivery of £6.00 so that's £20 pounds. £20 × 1.105 = €22.10 and then their delivery of €6.50 = €28.60

    That's what I think. They charged you the £6 that Amazon charges for delivery to ireland.

    Here is an order I made from Amazon.

    Items:£16.68
    Postage & Packing:£6.00
    Total before VAT:£22.68
    Total:£22.68
    Promotion Applied:-£11.00
    Import Fees Deposit£4.76
    Order Total: £16.44

    The postage get used for the import fee Deposit
    £22.68 × 0.21 = £4.76

    Even though I got delivery for free but It goes in as a promotion.

    Also my promotion of £5 wasn't taken off for the vat calculation. But was taken for the uk price.

    Anyway I don't think I should pay anything as the vat is less than €6 and revenue don't collect it. So I suspect I will get a refund once an post confirms that to amazon.

    You paid 14 pounds and addresspal added the delivery of £6.00 so that's £20 pounds. £20 × 1.105 = €22.10 and then their delivery of €6.50 = €28.60
    Where did you get the "added the delivery of £6.00" from ?
    I paid £14 + €6.50 only - are you saying they are just pulling a number out of the air for postage within the UK ? This is the bit I don't understand


  • #1390
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,258 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    RCSATELLITES wrote: »
    You paid 14 pounds and addresspal added the delivery of £6.00 so that's £20 pounds. £20 × 1.105 = €22.10 and then their delivery of €6.50 = €28.60

    That's what I think. They charged you the £6 that Amazon charges for delivery to ireland.

    Here is an order I made from Amazon.

    Items:£16.68
    Postage & Packing:£6.00
    Total before VAT:£22.68
    Total:£22.68
    Promotion Applied:-£11.00
    Import Fees Deposit£4.76
    Order Total: £16.44

    The postage get used for the import fee Deposit
    £22.68 × 0.21 = £4.76

    Even though I got delivery for free but It goes in as a promotion.

    Also my promotion of £5 wasn't taken off for the vat calculation. But was taken for the uk price.

    Anyway I don't think I should pay anything as the vat is less than €6 and revenue don't collect it. So I suspect I will get a refund once an post confirms that to amazon.
    You're not entitled to a cent back. The calculation from Amazon you show is an excellent example of exactly how it should be done.


  • #1391
    Caranica
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,144 ✭✭✭✭Caranica


    L1011 wrote: »
    Remember that anything coming from Aliexpress from China will be hit by customs from the start of July; so it may only be a temporary alternative.

    AliExpress offer different shipping options. I was looking at stuff last week and as well as China and the US it was giving me the option to ship from France or Poland. Tiny price difference.


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  • #1392
    whiterebel
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,014 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    deadl0ck wrote: »
    You paid 14 pounds and addresspal added the delivery of £6.00 so that's £20 pounds. £20 × 1.105 = €22.10 and then their delivery of €6.50 = €28.60
    Where did you get the "added the delivery of £6.00" from ?
    I paid £14 + €6.50 only - are you saying they are just pulling a number out of the air for postage within the UK ? This is the bit I don't understand

    The VAT is chargeable from the seller to you. Your €6.50 only gets it from Heathrow to you. They are charging the tax on the postage to AddressPal. Amazon refund you the shipping cost as a promotion. They don't pluck the figure form the air, its written on the order.


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    Caranica wrote: »
    AliExpress offer different shipping options. I was looking at stuff last week and as well as China and the US it was giving me the option to ship from France or Poland. Tiny price difference.

    The majority of items don't have that option unfortunately.


  • #1394
    deadl0ck
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    Caranica wrote: »
    AliExpress offer different shipping options. I was looking at stuff last week and as well as China and the US it was giving me the option to ship from France or Poland. Tiny price difference.
    I've also had stuff sent from China and they seem to send it initially to the Netherlands and then it's reshipped to Ireland - I think they are dodging import fees by doing this


  • #1395
    Caranica
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    Just ordered something on Amazon after Irish retailer left me down big time. Noticed no delivery time on any of the searched items "we'll email you when we have an estimated delivery time".


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    RCSATELLITES
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    deadl0ck wrote: »
    You paid 14 pounds and addresspal added the delivery of £6.00 so that's £20 pounds. £20 × 1.105 = €22.10 and then their delivery of €6.50 = €28.60
    Where did you get the "added the delivery of £6.00" from ?
    I paid £14 + €6.50 only - are you saying they are just pulling a number out of the air for postage within the UK ? This is the bit I don't understand

    When amazon send items directly to Ireland, there standard fee is £6.00 for delivery. As shown on my example which I took from the amazon item I purchased.

    I still got the delivery for free from Amazon but the amount for vat, included it.

    So that's what I think your customs calculation is made up of. I can't be for sure but it calculates to the cents.

    I do know the standard delivery for Amazon in the uk is usually only £2.99 but if addresspal know this I am not so sure.


  • #1397
    deadl0ck
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    RCSATELLITES wrote: »
    When amazon send items directly to Ireland, there standard fee is £6.00 for delivery. As shown on my example which I took from the amazon item I purchased.

    I still got the delivery for free from Amazon but the amount for vat, included it.

    So that's what I think your customs calculation is made up of. I can't be for sure but it calculates to the cents.

    I do know the standard delivery for Amazon in the uk is usually only £2.99 but if addresspal know this I am not so sure.

    Makes sense - thanks


  • #1398
    RCSATELLITES
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    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    You're not entitled to a cent back. The calculation from Amazon you show is an excellent example of exactly how it should be done.


    "VAT liability amounting to €6 or less will not be collected. If Customs Duty or Excise Duty is applicable, it will always be collected."



    Can you explain this statement directly from the Revenue website Jim.


  • #1399
    RCSATELLITES
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    Some useful info for people. Taken from moneyguideireland.com

    Admin Charges if You Have to Pay VAT or Duty on Delivery.
    An Post says they charge 1% of the value of the parcel, with a maximum charge of €10. (Used to be minimum of €10 but was altered on Jan 11th). But – it looks like they are charging a flat €3.50 per package.

    FEDEX – Charge 2.5% of the Taxes and Duties . Min €15.

    DHL Express – Charge 2.5% of the Taxes and Duties . Min €14.50.


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    RCSATELLITES
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    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    You're not entitled to a cent back. The calculation from Amazon you show is an excellent example of exactly how it should be done.

    VAT on Packages over €22 :
    Import VAT under €6 is not currently collected by Revenue in Ireland. So this in effect means that UK orders to Ireland under roughly €28 inc delivery will be free of import VAT until July 2021.

    Taken from moneyguideireland.com

    Not a cent back, are you so sure back it up? Back it up with facts, as that's what we need on this thread.


  • #1401
    deadl0ck
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    RCSATELLITES wrote: »
    VAT on Packages over €22 :
    Import VAT under €6 is not currently collected by Revenue in Ireland. So this in effect means that UK orders to Ireland under roughly €28 inc delivery will be free of import VAT until July 2021.

    Taken from moneyguideireland.com

    Not a cent back, are you so sure back it up? Back it up with facts, as that's what we need on this thread.

    My VAT was 5.99 and they collected it:

    The email from An Post:
    Customs Value: € 28.54
    Date:16/01/2021

    Import Duty:€ 0.00
    Excise Duty:€ 0.00
    VAT:€ 5.99
    An Post Fee:€ 3.50

    Total to be Paid: € 9.49
    Pay by Date: 09/02/2021

    I'd be taking what moneyguideireland.com says with a pinch of salt


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