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FI Charts ( T120+ onwards) Spring 2021 **READ MOD NOTE IN FIRST POST**

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,066 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Cool outlook but not a lot of precipitation showing up especially the further S you move down the country and with the sun stronger now and the low humidity from the Northerly sourced winds the land should continue to dry well, maybe too well for farming dare I say ?

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,066 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    The cooler weather continuing on out to the end of the ECM 12Z run, GFS the same, shows signs of getting more precipitation around and after the weekend and wintry maybe at times more so high ground though.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Longer term signals tending towards more spring like conditions with warmer temps and high pressure never really far away:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,174 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Another dry Spring appears on the cards. After only small amounts of rain the past few weeks the next couple of weeks look even drier with High Pressure over or near Ireland. Temperatures will be around normal too so some pleasant days ahead.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,066 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Signs of getting milder from around mid week next from the main models and after this weekends rain which may linger a bit into Monday looking fairly dry for most. GFS showing a bit cooler again the following weekend but uncertain .

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,066 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Nothing too stand out in the models out into FI. ECM was trending cooler but rowed back on this, both GFS and ECM showing cooler days towards the end of the month and GFS showing it cool into the start of May but it could well moderate by then. Mostly under the influence of HP, never staying stationary for long but there is a leaning maybe for the W and S of the country to fare best with temperatures as the East may have cooler NE. E and SE winds at times, but only a rough guess on my part. Still quite cool at night in places.

    ECM and GFS continue to show low rainfall totals especially in the Eastern half of the country.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,066 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Both ECM and GFS show it turning a bit cool around the middle of next week and showing little or no rainfall.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,066 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Models certainly looking cooler from around middle of next week. Continues to show little rainfall.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Artane2002


    I don't think people here will be too thrilled with this but the GFS 6z seems to be going for some unseasonably cool and windy weather for around May 5th. There would be widespread spells of rain with a chance of this rain turning to sleet and possibly snow on hills and mountains. Max temps struggling around the mid single digits. The ECM 0z parallel looks fairly similar to me but less cool. The ECM has a northerly for the same day but it looks mostly dry. It will be interesting to see if the GFS is correct!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,255 ✭✭✭Sammy2012


    I know this is the spring fantasy island but I was wondering if there's any summer forecast? I know noone knows what will come but just wondering if anyone has any ideas? Give us staycationers some hope!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,174 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Well May looks cold but theres usually one warm month.

    Personally I think this Summer will have a mix of everything but there will be warm spells too. My head tells me June will probably be hot or late May into early June. Not sure though.

    All we know is extremes of weather are getting more frequent so if its wet it could get very wet over a short period and if it gets warm it could also prove very warm


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Yeah that cold spell can FO with the veg planted.

    I think once this high pressure - slight showers - high pressure finally breaks down we're in trouble for a while. I haven't registered < 1000mbar absolute pressure since March. When this breaks, the Atlantic will get back in and it'll be hard to shift.

    Generally a good spell in April like this means a somewhat ok May and a poor Summer.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,066 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    ECM 12Z showing a fairly full on breakdown of the weather from next Sunday with the Jet powering up and taking aim at us and Lp's nearby sending in bands of rain and getting a bit windy , GEM similar and GFS different timing but showing the Atlantic stirring up too. ECM showing fairly high rainfall accumulations from Sun to Weds on the current run but a long way out yet to know for sure. A big departure from the quiet weather of late. Will see if these charts set a trend.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,174 ✭✭✭pauldry


    The old stay outdoors message might be hard to obey in the coming weeks.
    Stayed on beach all weekend as last year sunny weekends like that were few and far between so made the most of it.

    These next few weeks are certainly trending cool and unsettled and possibly cool and very unsettled as mentioned above.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,959 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    a big pattern change could well be on the way to a considerably more unsettled and chilly outlook.

    Plenty of northern blocking over the coming weeks with cold winds from the north/north-east with things becoming more unsettled.

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    first week of May could see daytime temperatures struggle to even reach 8c in places.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,181 ✭✭✭PukkaStukka


    Where was this blocking in January?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Artane2002


    Where was this blocking in January?
    it was there, it just didn't help us.

    Today's GFS 12z blew up a LP system for this day next week out of nowhere, resulting in strong winds, heavy rain and max temps widely between 6c and 8c but a few degrees milder in the southwest according to the temperature maps. The following days continue this cool and unsettled theme but not as extreme as yesterday's 6z.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Artane2002


    Artane2002 wrote: »
    it was there, it just didn't help us.

    Today's GFS 12z blew up a LP system for this day next week out of nowhere, resulting in strong winds, heavy rain and max temps widely between 6c and 8c but a few degrees milder in the southwest according to the temperature maps. The following days continue this cool and unsettled theme but not as extreme as yesterday's 6z.

    That low I mentioned is a lot weaker and misses us to our south on the 18z. However, the cool weather on this run is relentless, with maxima generally between 7c and 12c for the entire run.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,174 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Cool Mays are often good for warm July or August


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,483 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    Thought my woodstove was done for the year, looks like i better get some more supplies in, oh well, do like a nice fire :)
    Hard to see the atlantic roaring back with mild sw winds any time soon.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,394 ✭✭✭esposito


    pauldry wrote: »
    Cool Mays are often good for warm July or August

    And what about June? I think there is an element of truth to this theory. Don’t care if we have a cool May if it means we get a warm and sunny June, July and August. Asking for a lot there I know.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,174 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Well my theory is theres cool and warm spells all year in Ireland so if May uses the cool theres a couple of warmer periods left before the end of August.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Artane2002


    The cool and unsettled theme for the start of May is still there on the models. The ECM takes it another level though and brings a band of heavy rain in on May 3rd which turns wintry at times for some parts of the country. Conditions don't look favourable to me for wintry precip so I'm not sure why the chart is showing it, maybe evaporative cooling? After that, other southerly tracking lows bring further wet and windy weather.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,646 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    any updates here lads?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,207 ✭✭✭✭Oscar Bravo


    any updates here lads?

    Looking like briefly milder over the weekend but wet and windy followed by showers then back into a cool showery set up next week once again.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    A long way off so a large pinch of kosher, but longer term outlooks favouring higher pressure to build close to Ireland during the last part of the month. Chart for day 10:

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,066 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Fingers crossed :pac:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    12C for Cork at 2pm on the 27th May with all the hallmarks of a brutal wind off the sea?

    Pass. Horrid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,174 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Nah, by the last week of May it will be 18 to 22c at least!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,666 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    Whilst I am still somewhat skeptical about the sudden evaporation of low heights away from Greenland, it does seem a trend now that we will get an anticyclone of sorts building somewhere close to the country allowing things to settle down and shower risk to diminish by this time next week.

    The placement of the high pressure will be key to what kind of temperatures Ireland gets. Runs like the ECM 0z have it slowly ridging in from the west by Tuesday or Wednesday next week with a pretty cool airmass from the north embedded in that does not quickly go away but things slowly get milder by day to mid-teens in any sunshine whilst nights remain chilly in the low single figures.

    Another example of where the placement and progression comes in is the GFS 12z that just ran which shows the high building in much quicker than the ECM and this also allows it to warm up much faster with heights lowering in the Bay of Biscay. This forces the wind into more of a southeasterly direction by late May and into early June bringing temperatures widely into the low 20s, maybe even touching mid-20s in sheltered midland or western spots. It does go a bit unstable in early June as pressure lowers due to the instability and go westerly by the end of the run but there is no sign of blocking around Greenland and the Azores high looks prone to sending ridges northward. I don't think this is a very likely option. I think a more middle ground of the very cool ECM 0z and warm GFS 12z is likely.

    However, the emphasis is on high pressure building in from the west this time next week right now and although cool at first, as it sticks around longer in the sunshine and if it attempts to push a little eastward, things will naturally start warming up too. Nights will be generally on the relatively cool side.

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  • Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    MT doesn’t seem optimistic that the high will stay around that long. Do any models keep it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,666 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    fvp4 wrote: »
    MT doesn’t seem optimistic that the high will stay around that long. Do any models keep it?

    His latest thoughts seem heavily based on the GFS 0z which compared to the 12z I showed yesterday doesn't get rid of the Greenland heights altogether and I held skepticism that they would just be evaporated like that. It has fallen more in line with ECM which continues to show a generally settled but very cool solution up until the end when it sends a shortwave into the Bay of Biscay which would go a similar way to that of the GFS 12z.

    As ever, such long range thoughts rely on what the modelling show especially with conflicting signals like at the current moment when some favour a change in the European cool/blocked pattern that has dominated since the beginning of April and others that show a continuation with the blocking proving stubborn.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,666 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    A big GFS wobble with the 12z with a ninja low around Friday next week disrupting the influence of high pressure. It goes a bit nuts after with a reinvigoration of blocking in the high latitudes. Totally backwards from trends yesterday and past few days, yikes.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,066 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    ECM looking like increasing in temp from around midweek, slowly at first but decent temps around the weekend maybe up to the low 20's as HP builds nearby, showing slacker gradients so lighter winds, not all dry but after Tues a lot less for most areas it shows atm. Will see if it holds this trend.


    GFS not as warm and settled so some uncertainty yet.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭Neddyusa


    With summer starting next week... any signs of a summer FI thread?!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    Neddyusa wrote: »
    With summer starting next week... any signs of a summer FI thread?!

    Yes would like to see a few charts for the bank Holiday weekend now


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,959 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Neddyusa wrote: »
    With summer starting next week... any signs of a summer FI thread?!

    It's the final day of Spring, one of the coldest Springs I have ever experienced. This Spring was not as good as Spring 2020 but much of March and especially April was largely dry so it wasn't too bad of a season despite the overall chill factor.

    It does appear now as we move into early summer that we are in a much milder airmass and this looks like becoming increasingly warm over the next 2 weeks.

    I have opened the summer FI thread and will close this thread at some point tomorrow.

    Summer FI thread including predictions for Bank Holiday Monday: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058190150


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