AE911 truth vs Mick West ( Iron Microspheres)

The Nal · 18-05-2020 12:37pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

The experiment already happened. Another tower, the same size as the North Tower was hit with a fuel laden airliner. And it fell.

You cannot get a more solid, definitive experiment than that.

The alternative is that somehow, "they" managed to rig the two biggest buildings in the world in secret with a huge amount of explosives in one of the most densely populated place on earth. Undetected by the 200,000 people that passed through the buildings every day. Not seen by security, receptionists from 500 businesses, shift workers, police, tourists, contractors, cleaners, maintenance etc.

And then somehow managed to actually coordinate the explosions.

Its absolutely laughable.

King Mob · 18-05-2020 12:56pm

The Nal wrote: »

The alternative is that somehow, "they" managed to rig the two biggest buildings in the world in secret with a huge amount of explosives in one of the most densely populated place on earth. Undetected by the 200,000 people that passed through the buildings every day. Not seen by security, receptionists from 500 businesses, shift workers, police, tourists, contractors, cleaners, maintenance etc.

And then somehow managed to actually coordinate the explosions.

Its absolutely laughable.

Remember, it wasn't just explosives.
It was secret never before tested or used supernanothermite dispensed in a gel by 16 guys.
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Timberrrrrrrr · 18-05-2020 12:59pm

King Mob wrote: »

Remember, it wasn't just explosives.
It was secret never before tested or used supernanothermite dispensed in a gel by 16 guys.

I forgot about the gel claim

Dohnjoe · 18-05-2020 1:04pm

The Nal wrote: »

The alternative is that somehow, "they" managed to rig the two biggest buildings in the world in secret with a huge amount of explosives in one of the most densely populated place on earth. Undetected by the 200,000 people that passed through the buildings every day. Not seen by security, receptionists from 500 businesses, shift workers, police, tourists, contractors, cleaners, maintenance etc.

And then somehow managed to actually coordinate the explosions.

Its absolutely laughable.

And then somehow managed to pull off all these demolitions, perfectly, in broad daylight, in the middle of New York, under the gaze of the world's press and intelligence agencies, without any leaks or whistle-blowers, without any physical evidence..

Not a single insurance investigation (these guys had to pay out billions) discovered it..

The US president can't get a blowjob in the oval office without the world finding out, the US military can't plant WMD in the desert, the NSA can't keep a secret..

It's more than laughable, it wouldn't even make an episode of the Twilight Zone for being so batshiat absurd

King Mob · 18-05-2020 1:17pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

And then somehow managed to pull off all these demolitions, perfectly, in broad daylight, in the middle of New York, under the gaze of the world's press and intelligence agencies, without any leaks or whistle-blowers, without any physical evidence..

And they did all of this because they knew before hand for a fact that the planes wouldn't be able to take down the towers.
That fact is apparently so obvious that anyone can tell it's impossible without any training, knowledge, expertise or research or ability to do basic math.
And despite this, they spent billions on this conspiracy and just assumed it would work.

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Not a single insurance investigation (these guys had to pay out billions) discovered it..

The US president can't get a blowjob in the oval office without the world finding out, the US military can't plant WMD in the desert, the NSA can't keep a secret..

It's more than laughable, it wouldn't even make an episode of the Twilight Zone for being so batshiat absurd

And then they for some reason tell the BBC to announce it early.
And then Larry Silverstein for no reason at all just blabs it out to a camera on national TV.

storker · 18-05-2020 1:28pm

King Mob wrote: »

And they did all of this because they knew before hand for a fact that the planes wouldn't be able to take down the towers.
That fact is apparently so obvious that anyone can tell it's impossible without any training, knowledge, expertise or research or ability to do basic math.
And despite this, they spent billions on this conspiracy and just assumed it would work.

And then they for some reason tell the BBC to announce it early.
And then Larry Silverstein for no reason at all just blabs it out to a camera on national TV.

Don't forget they also knew which floors of the building would be struck, by a not-very-manouvrable Boeing flown by a student pilot who previously had flown nothing bigger than a Cessna.

Cheerful Spring2 · 18-05-2020 1:32pm

King Mob wrote: »

Lol what?
Truthers have discovered no such thing.
You can keep saying that all you like, but it's not going to magically make it true.

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There is no alternative hypothesis will explain the massive amount of elemental Iron microspheres found in the WTC dust. Turning your back to the evidence does not change the discoveries. Truthers found some unignited nanothermite chips in their dust samples and burned them and the when ignited the Iron rich spheres appeared. The paper provides a substantive explanation here. Skeptics like Mick on the other hand look at low probability events could not have started inside the building and produced the amount of Iron/sphere reckoned here by RJ and Lee. I suggest you look at the actual evidence instead of thinking there nothing here.

Harrit burned red/grey nanothermite chip- after ignition. You can see the Rich Iron spheres on the chip.
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King Mob · 18-05-2020 1:36pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

The paper provides a substantive explanation here.

it didn't though. It was a fraud of a paper published in a fraud journal by conmen.

You're also ignoring the points again.

There's no examples of any buildings being demolished by any form of thermite.
Is that true or false.

You are most likely going to avoid this question again. Because you are very very dishonest.

King Mob · 18-05-2020 1:38pm

storker wrote: »

Don't forget they also knew which floors of the building would be struck, by a not-very-manouvrable Boeing flown a student pilot who previously had flown nothing bigger than a Cessna.

Who conspiracy theorists frequently claim was too bad at piloting to actually hit the target in the first place.

Every single aspect of the conspiracy theory gets more and more ridiculous the more you examine it.

Cheerful Spring2 · 18-05-2020 1:38pm

King Mob wrote: »

it didn't though. It was a fraud of a paper published in a fraud journal by conmen.

You're also ignoring the points again.

There's no examples of any buildings being demolished by any form of thermite.
Is that true or false.

You are most likely going to avoid this question again. Because you are very very dishonest.

Everyone can see you not providing any other explanation to explain it. What was the source then?

King Mob · 18-05-2020 1:40pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Everyone can see you not providing any other explanation to explain it. What was the source then?

Cheerful, you're ignoring points again.

I will answer it in full if you give a direct answer to the simple question you keep dodging.
Can you provide any example of a building being demolished by any kind of thermite?

I am confident you will still dodge this question.

Cheerful Spring2 · 18-05-2020 1:42pm

King Mob wrote: »

Cheerful, you're ignoring points again.

I will answer it in full if you give a direct answer to the simple question you keep dodging.
Can you provide any example of a building being demolished by any kind of thermite?

I am confident you will still dodge this question.

What the source for the Iron Microspheres in the WTC dust. If you have no explantation stop talking.

Timberrrrrrrr · 18-05-2020 1:44pm

King Mob wrote: »

Who conspiracy theorists frequently claim was too bad at piloting to actually hit the target in the first place.

Every single aspect of the conspiracy theory gets more and more ridiculous the more you examine it.

Didnt CS once claim that there were no planes only holograms? My apologies info advance if it was another poster and I am confusing the two.

Cheerful Spring2 · 18-05-2020 1:45pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Didnt CS once claim that there were no planes only holograms? My apologies info advance if it was another poster and I am confusing the two.

Confusing me with someone else

King Mob · 18-05-2020 1:47pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

What the source for the Iron Microspheres in the WTC dust. If you have no explantation stop talking.

Lol See. Question dodged.

You keep claiming that because supposedly no building was destroyed by fire, it must be impossible.
There's no examples of any building that was demolished by thermite. By your logic it must be impossible too.

You keep avoiding this fact because you know that it shows your argument is false. You want to keep avoiding the fact because you will keep using that argument despite knowing it's wrong.

Likewise with these microspheres. You'll just dodge the inconvenient points about them. You're not capable of actually debating the topic.
If anyone else wants to discuss that topic with me, I'd be glad to.

Cheerful Spring2 · 18-05-2020 1:49pm

King Mob wrote: »

Lol See. Question dodged.

You keep claiming that because supposedly no building was destroyed by fire, it must be impossible.
There's no examples of any building that was demolished by thermite. By your logic it must be impossible too.

You keep avoiding this fact because you know that it shows your argument is false. You want to keep avoiding the fact because you will keep using that argument despite knowing it's wrong.

Likewise with these microspheres. You'll just dodge the inconvenient points about them. You're not capable of actually debating the topic.
If anyone else wants to discuss that topic with me, I'd be glad to.

Worth noting you can not answer a question.
Provide a source for the Iron Microspheres in the dust.

King Mob · 18-05-2020 1:52pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Didnt CS once claim that there were no planes only holograms? My apologies info advance if it was another poster and I am confusing the two.

No, he claimed with all confidence that the flight that hit the pentagon actually flew over the pentagon and away while another entirely different plane was used to hit the building. This was all based on his ideas about the flight recorder data. However, he snookered himself and claimed that the flight data was completely inerrant and incorruptible but then couldn't explain how that flight data existed, was recovered or why it didn't show the plane flying away from the pentagon like he believed.

His has since changed his theory to avoid this issue and pretends to have always been right.

King Mob · 18-05-2020 1:53pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Worth noting you can not answer a question.
Provide a source for the Iron Microspheres in the dust.

Why does it matter?
There's no examples of any building being demolished by thermite of any kind, so it's not possible for a building to be demolished by thermite of any kind.
So wherever these microspheres came from, it can't be thermite.

Cheerful Spring2 · 18-05-2020 1:56pm

King Mob wrote: »

Why does it matter?

You don't know why it matters?

King Mob · 18-05-2020 1:57pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

You don't know why it matters?

Well it doesn't matter as I explained:
There's no examples of any building being demolished by thermite of any kind, so it's not possible for a building to be demolished by thermite of any kind.
So wherever these microspheres came from, it can't be thermite.

Cheerful Spring2 · 18-05-2020 2:01pm

King Mob wrote: »

No, he claimed with all confidence that the flight that hit the pentagon actually flew over the pentagon and away while another entirely different plane was used to hit the building. This was all based on his ideas about the flight recorder data. However, he snookered himself and claimed that the flight data was completely inerrant and incorruptible but then couldn't explain how that flight data existed, was recovered or why it didn't show the plane flying away from the pentagon like he believed.

His has since changed his theory to avoid this issue and pretends to have always been right.

That’s a mix up of what I said. I said the plane flew more to the northeast. In the official report the plane came down Washington Blvd and that I have a problem with that. It too far to the Southwest. I do believe 77 now hit the Pentagon, but the direction is wrong. The FDR and FAA radar returns are correct, the 9/11 commission report position is wrong.

King Mob · 18-05-2020 2:03pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

That’s a mix up of what I said. I said the plane flew more to the northeast.

No cheerful, you claimed that flight 77 flew over the pentagon and away while a different plane hit the pentagon.

Don't lie about your own posts.

Cheerful Spring2 · 18-05-2020 2:08pm

King Mob wrote: »

No cheerful, you claimed that flight 77 flew over the pentagon and away while a different plane hit the pentagon.

Don't lie about your own posts.

I said no plane hit the Pentagon based on the 9/11 commission report findings. I researched more on this and found the FDR and FAA animations and then it made sense. The animations place the plane coming over the Navy Annex heading northeast. In the commission report the plane heading southwest of the Annex. When you look at one report you have false information.

Cheerful Spring2 · 18-05-2020 2:14pm

King Mob wrote: »

So wherever these microspheres came from, it can't be thermite.

Excellent science there Kingmob. Where they came from matters,

King Mob · 18-05-2020 2:14pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I said no plane hit the Pentagon based on the 9/11 commission report findings. I researched more on this and found the FDR and FAA animations and then it made sense. The animations place the plane coming over the Navy Annex heading northeast. In the commission report the plane heading southwest of the Annex. When you look at one report you have false information.

Wait, so you are now denying that you ever said that flight 77 flew over the pentagon?
Really?

King Mob · 18-05-2020 2:16pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Excellent science there Kingmob. Where they came from matters,

But again, it can't be from thermite.
As I've explained:
There's no examples of any building being demolished by thermite of any kind, so it's not possible for a building to be demolished by thermite of any kind.
So wherever these microspheres came from, it can't be thermite.

You keep cutting that part out.

The Nal · 18-05-2020 2:18pm

From about 6 minutes here. A thorough debunking about microscopic iron. Case closed there.

Cheerful Spring2 · 18-05-2020 2:18pm

King Mob wrote: »

Wait, so you are now denying that you ever said that flight 77 flew over the pentagon?
Really?

I denied a plane hitting the Pentagon at the beginning when i thought it was only coming in from the southwest. When you learn more and see the FAA and FDR radar returns place the plane to the northeast the trajectory lines up with the damage at the Pentagon. I could not see how a plane coming in from the southwest could have hit the west wall at that angle.

banie01 · 18-05-2020 2:20pm

King Mob wrote: »

No cheerful, you claimed that flight 77 flew over the pentagon and away while a different plane hit the pentagon.

Don't lie about your own posts.

He also claimed the pentagon was hit by an A3 and the Boeing flew off...
A professional pilot painstakingly explained headings, reciprocals and magnetic offsets and was just ignored.

King Mob · 18-05-2020 2:22pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I denied a plane hitting the Pentagon at the beginning

Yes. And you claimed that flight 77 flew over the pentagon and away.

Are you denying you said this?

Cheerful Spring2 · 18-05-2020 2:26pm

banie01 wrote: »

He also claimed the pentagon was hit by an A3 and the Boeing flew off...
A professional pilot painstakingly explained headings, reciprocals and magnetic offsets and was just ignored.

The problem with the Pentagon attack you have a plane going different directions in different reports. I can see now where the confusion is unlike you guys. A southwest plane could not have hit the Pentagon, it have to be very small if came in that way. If the plane lined up Northeast coming over the bridge it be heading in more straight and hit it dead on (nose first)

King Mob · 18-05-2020 2:31pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

The problem with the Pentagon attack you have a plane going different directions in different reports. I can see now where the confusion is unlike you guys. A southwest plane could not have hit the Pentagon, it have to be very small if came in that way. If the plane lined up Northeast coming over the bridge it be heading in more straight and hit it dead on (nose first)

Lol, and now you're deflecting from the topic again because you're backed into a corner.

It's very desperate behaviour.

Cheerful Spring2 · 18-05-2020 2:35pm

King Mob wrote: »

Lol, and now you're deflecting from the topic again because you're backed into a corner.

It's very desperate behaviour.

You have two planes heading different directions (fact)
The FAA and FDR animations don't support the 9/11 commission findings.
FAA and FDR- Show the plane coming in heading Northeast over the Navy Annex.
9/11 commission report- the plane to the right of the Annex heading down a highway at a height.
It’s understandable why conspiracy people are confused when the mainstream reports are very different to each other.

Cheerful Spring2 · 18-05-2020 2:39pm

King Mob wrote: »

But again, it can't be from thermite.
As I've explained:
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You explained nothing again its nanothermite not thermite

What caused it then, you can't run away and not provide an explantation.

King Mob · 18-05-2020 2:42pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

You explained nothing again its nanothermite not thermite
What caused it then, you can't run away and not provide an explantation.

But again I have explained why it's not important. You keep editing it out of the quotes because you are ignoring it.

There's no examples of any building being demolished by thermite of any kind, so it's not possible for a building to be demolished by thermite of any kind.
So wherever these microspheres came from, it can't be nanothermite.

Dohnjoe · 18-05-2020 2:43pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

It’s understandable why conspiracy people are confused when the mainstream reports are very different to each other.

There's no confusion. Conspiracy theories attempt to create confusion and doubt and denial in order to hint a conspiracy took place - it's the only way they can breathe life into their countless contradictory theories.

Sandy Hook truthers use the exact same technique, Boston Marathan bombing truthers, Moon landing hoaxers, pretty soon you see the exact same pattern.

"If something can't be explained it means some unexplained conspiracy took place" - conspiracy enthusiasts

That's literally how they conjure their conspiracies, with denial of the event.

King Mob · 18-05-2020 2:44pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

You have two planes heading different directions (fact)
The FAA and FDR animations don't support the 9/11 commission findings.
FAA and FDR- Show the plane coming in heading Northeast over the Navy Annex.
9/11 commission report- the plane to the right of the Annex heading down a highway at a height.
It’s understandable why conspiracy people are confused when the mainstream reports are very different to each other.

Yes, and you claim that all this proved that flight 77 didn't hit the pentagon and it was in fact an A3. You claimed flight 77 flew over the pentagon and away.

That was so silly that even you rejected it.

You can keep denying it all you like, it just makes you look more and more silly.

Cheerful Spring2 · 18-05-2020 2:48pm

King Mob wrote: »

Yes, and you claim that all this proved that flight 77 didn't hit the pentagon and it was in fact an A3. You claimed flight 77 flew over the pentagon and away.

That was so silly that even you rejected it.

You can keep denying it all you like, it just makes you look more and more silly.

You guys can’t read.
The point is a plane heading southwest could not have hit the Pentagon.
It could if the plane was heading northeast. That’s what I argued in the thread, the plane was heading this direction to have hit the Pentagon.
What report do you guys believe here?
Is the 9/11 commission correct or is the FDR and FAA returns more accurate?

Dohnjoe · 18-05-2020 2:51pm

King Mob wrote: »

Yes, and you claim that all this proved that flight 77 didn't hit the pentagon and it was in fact an A3. You claimed flight 77 flew over the pentagon and away.

Such an incredible coincidence how the same denial can lead to completely different and contradictory outcomes..

Dr Judy Wood attacks the NIST therefore energy weapons did it
Gage attacks the NIST therefore bombs were planted when the towers were built
Tony S attacks the NIST therefore nothing because he's too smart to commit to a theory he knows he can't support
Cheerful attacks the NIST therefore Larry Silverstein, Saudi royals, secret Nazi's were behind it

Almost as if they all started with their conspiracies notion, then worked backwards to deny the event, and fit whatever conspiracy they could dream up into their views of it..

Make-up-your-own-history-adventure

King Mob · 18-05-2020 2:52pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

You guys can’t read.
The point is a plane heading southwest could not have hit the Pentagon.
It could if the plane was heading northeast. That’s what I argued in the thread, the plane was heading this direction to have hit the Pentagon.
What report do you guys believe here?
Is the 9/11 commission correct or is the FDR and FAA returns more accurate?

But you're missing the point. We're not going to rehash all the same arguments you ran away from so you can deflect from the arguments you are currently running away from

In that thread, you claimed that no 757 hit the pentagon. You claimed it was an A3 and that flight 77 flew over the building and away to parts unknown.
You said all those things.
You are now trying to rewrite history because you can't admit to being wrong.
It's very Trumpian.

Cheerful Spring2 · 18-05-2020 2:53pm

King Mob wrote: »

But again I have explained why it's not important. You keep editing it out of the quotes because you are ignoring it.

There's no examples of any building being demolished by thermite of any kind, so it's not possible for a building to be demolished by thermite of any kind.
So wherever these microspheres came from, it can't be nanothermite.

The Iron Microspheres are there in the WTC dust. Saying I don’t want to believe nanothermite is the cause of it is stupid thinking. You have to provide a source then to explain the massive amount of Iron Fe spheres found. So far alternative explanation not provided by any of you.

Dohnjoe · 18-05-2020 2:53pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

You guys can’t read.

Can read extremely well thanks. Also have good memories. You claimed it was a military jet because you read some conspiracy blog the day you were making that narrative up. You then changed it because it turned out to be such horse**** even you couldn't support it

It then became the laziest conspiracy known to man, yes flight 77 hit, but from a sliiiightly different angle

The equivalent of claiming yes man did land on the moon but from a sliiightly different angle, therefore the whole thing was a conspiracy, therefore I'm right!

King Mob · 18-05-2020 2:55pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Cheerful attacks the NIST therefore Larry Silverstein, Saudi royals, secret Nazi's were behind it

I am curious what youtube video he watched that made him change his entire theory to the secret Nazis.
Also why he was so willing to go with that conspiracy given his other claims about the Nazis during the holocaust.

King Mob · 18-05-2020 2:57pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

The Iron Microspheres are there in the WTC dust. Saying I don’t want to believe nanothermite is the cause of it is stupid thinking. You have to provide a source then to explain the massive amount of Iron Fe spheres found. So far alternative explanation not provided by any of you.

But cheerful, the iron microspheres can't be from nanothermite as it's impossible that nanothermite was used.

Your own argument shows this for a fact.

There's no examples of any building being demolished by thermite of any kind, so it's not possible for a building to be demolished by thermite of any kind.
So wherever these microspheres came from, it can't be nanothermite.

Can you provide any examples of any building being demolished by any kind of thermite?
If not, then it means the nanothermite theory is impossible.

King Mob · 18-05-2020 2:59pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

You guys can’t read.

Also, again just a reminder. I spent four pages explaining to you the difference between the letter I and the letter L.

The Nal · 18-05-2020 2:59pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

The Iron Microspheres are there in the WTC dust. Saying I don’t want to believe nanothermite is the cause of it is stupid thinking. You have to provide a source then to explain the massive amount of Iron Fe spheres found. So far alternative explanation not provided by any of you.

I posted a video which completely debunks it. Beyond any shadow of a doubt. One which you ignored.

Cheerful Spring2 · 18-05-2020 3:00pm

King Mob wrote: »

But cheerful, the iron microspheres can't be from nanothermite as it's impossible that nanothermite was used.

Your own argument shows this for a fact.

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Worth noting like i said you provide no other explanation. Also, to be clear the truthers have. there unignited nanothermite chips when burned produce Iron spheres in abundance.This finding is uncomfortable for you i know..

Cheerful Spring2 · 18-05-2020 3:02pm

King Mob wrote: »

Also, again just a reminder. I spent four pages explaining to you the difference between the letter I and the letter L.

We have to explain to you in the past steel was made of Iron and you denied it and another poster bloodbath laughed at you.

King Mob · 18-05-2020 3:02pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Worth noting like i said you provide no other explanation. Also, to be clear the truthers have. there unignited nanothermite chips when burned produce Iron spheres in abundance.This finding is uncomfortable for you i know..

But cheerful, it can't be nanothermite. Your own argument has shown that explanation is impossible. You keep ignoring that.

King Mob · 18-05-2020 3:03pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

We have to explain to you in the past steel was made of Iron and you denied it and another poster bloodbath laughed at you.

Cheerful, I never said that steel wasn't made of Iron.
Why are you lying?

AE911 truth vs Mick West ( Iron Microspheres)

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