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Forensic Psychology

  • 20-02-2008 4:34pm
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 317 ✭✭


    Hi All,

    Just wondering if anyone has experience of the above, or getting into it in Ireland. After doing some research, I believe the only way of becoming a professional forensic psychologist is to do a Masters in Cork which runs every 2 years, and then to work under someone in the UK for 2 years.

    Always been interested in this but do you think you can have a good career in Ireland with this and are there any other avenues you can take without going to the cork or the UK ?

    Hope I wasn't too broad in my questions.

    Many Thanks


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,506 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    Were you at the careers conference in Trinity college on Feb the 9th? There was a presentation about it there, the last one of the day of course.

    The UCC course is academically based rather than for professional training so the UK is really your first port of call for the Master's and probably work experience too.

    I'm interested but I'd say the options in Ireland are very limited.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 75 ✭✭mc-panda


    Hi.

    I'm currently doing the MA in Forensic Psychology in Cork.
    There are no jobs in Ireland. Currently, there are only four Chartered Forensic Psychologists in this country. Two are working in Universities. One is working in the HSE and the other is working with the prison service. Only one of these has a dedicated forensic function.

    On finishing the MA, it is necessary to complete two years supervised experience under a Chartered Forensic Psychologist. This is currently unavailable here at the moment. The infrastructure simply is not available.
    If you're serious about it, then do the MA. It is simply a brilliant course. Also look to England. The University of Kent has a good course that offers the option of rotating you in a supervised role after successful completion.

    You should contact Dr. John Bogue of NUIG also. He's a very nice man and is a Chartered Clinical Forensic Psychologist. He's very helpful and freindly and should be able to offer you advice.

    If you have any further queries, don't hesitate to ask me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 317 ✭✭tiptap


    mc-panda wrote: »
    Hi.

    I'm currently doing the MA in Forensic Psychology in Cork.
    There are no jobs in Ireland. Currently, there are only four Chartered Forensic Psychologists in this country. Two are working in Universities. One is working in the HSE and the other is working with the prison service. Only one of these has a dedicated forensic function.

    On finishing the MA, it is necessary to complete two years supervised experience under a Chartered Forensic Psychologist. This is currently unavailable here at the moment. The infrastructure simply is not available.
    If you're serious about it, then do the MA. It is simply a brilliant course. Also look to England. The University of Kent has a good course that offers the option of rotating you in a supervised role after successful completion.

    You should contact Dr. John Bogue of NUIG also. He's a very nice man and is a Chartered Clinical Forensic Psychologist. He's very helpful and freindly and should be able to offer you advice.

    If you have any further queries, don't hesitate to ask me.


    Thanks a million for the info, much appreciated.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12 maedhbh


    As the Masters in UCC is not recognised by the BPS, is it possible to go onto stage 2 of chartership in Britain?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 75 ✭✭mc-panda


    The Masters in Cork got accredited by the PSI at Christmas. There should be no problem meeting the BPS criteria, but this would have to be checked individually by each person similar to the way it used to be with all undergraduate degrees.

    England would be a better option for doing the Masters as most colleges have existing links with prisons and forensic hospitals making the securing of a supervisor much easier.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 12 maedhbh


    Thanks for your reply. I am interested in the course in UCC, but am a little anxious as the syllabus seems to be different than that required of the BPS, but I may be misunderstanding it.

    Is the course running next year? I heard a rumour it was not.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 75 ✭✭mc-panda


    As far as I'm aware, there will be no intake in September/October 2008. The next intake will be in September/October 2009.

    It covers all the same areas as courses under the BPS. However, the following modules are elective rather than mandatory:

    *Treatment and management of violent offenders
    *Treatment and management of sexual offenders


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 laoispsych


    Just came across this thread, just to add a different option to the discussion, have you thought about clinical psychology. I'm a clinical psychologist who works alot in forensic psychology. Most people working in the forensic psychology area in Ireland come from clinical backgrounds. In your clinical training you have the opportunity to complete a specialist placement and you can choose a forensic speciality (as i did) if you want to. Its a long training route but there is lots of work available privately in the forensic area once your done.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,506 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    Yeah, but how many forensic settings are there in Ireland, realistically?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 laoispsych


    Realistically there are plenty of opportunities and more are coming up. There are a number of jobs in the central mental hospital, within the prison system, within sex offender treatment centres in the community, adolescent detention centres, adolescent sex offender treatment programmes and as I mentioned within the sphere of private work, undertaking assessments for solicitors or directly for the courts which is more common.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Hey Folks,

    Im on your page now technically and realistically. I am hoping to apply for a forensic course for 09/10 and I was looking at Cork. Im from Dublin so I figure if Im going all the way to Cork I may as well check out the English side of things. Theres, what looks like, a very good couse at the University of Central Lancashire (UCLan). Im at the beginning of my investigation but found the information here very helpful. I'll be in touch with this thread for a while so any additional info is more than welcome. Ill keep you posted on my progress.

    I've got a 2.2 in Psychology Hons. Im not sure that I can get in to an English Uni with that but I'll try, and ill post the results here. Also, You need to be a graduate member of PSI before you can apply for the Cork course. If your not, you'll need two member referees to back you for membership. I havent got this yet either but shouldnt be a problem if your lecturers are nice.

    I'm hoping for a tidal wave of info here, dont let me down:)

    Iain


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭Climate Expert


    More sexy TV courses for aspirational students that actually have zero job oppurtuniites.

    Try and look past tv shows for inspiration in your career.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 75 ✭✭mc-panda


    More sexy TV courses for aspirational students that actually have zero job oppurtuniites.

    Try and look past tv shows for inspiration in your career.

    That's a ridiculously misinformed opinion to be blurting out. Educate yourself on the reality of the situation before making stupid remarks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭eth0_


    You can do a MSc in Forensic Psychology with the Open University now, too.

    Climate Expert - you clearly have no idea what a forensic psychologist does, so butt out.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12 maedhbh


    I heard that there is someone training in Ireland. does anyone know if this is true and if so are they in the North or South?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭eth0_


    maedhbh wrote: »
    I heard that there is someone training in Ireland. does anyone know if this is true and if so are they in the North or South?

    Did ya read the thread? UCC have a forensic psych course.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12 maedhbh


    Yes I did read the thread. I was referring to stage 2. A masters is not sufficient to allow you become a forensic psychologist.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭eth0_


    Well perhaps you should have phrased your question better!

    I haven't heard of any training programs in Ireland, I thought you still had to go to the UK. Maybe ring UCC and ask them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7 GlenmoreMark


    I am one of the 4 Forensic Psychologists working in the field in Ireland. I understand the difficulties in obtaining Chartership in Ireland and currently the Prison Service does not have any trainees. I heard that there have been efforts to recruit Forensically trained people in the CMH but I cannot be sure of this. I know people have gone to the North to get their supervised practise, being supervised by Geraldine O'Hare. There is a masters at the University of Leicester which is distance learning and also very popular. In time there should be avenues for people to get the training in Ireland but at the moment the best bet is to go to the UK or the North. There does seem to be a lot of private work out there in forensic field but the issue is to get supervision by a Chartered Psychologist. Best of luck and happy to answer any questions that you have.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32 alanjfinn


    I see the Uni. of Coventry is also offering distance MSc. in Forensic Psy.,its one i was looking at and its a mere snip at £4560
    To be specific they are
    MSc Forensic Psychology and Crime,
    MSc Applied Forensic Studies
    The former is accredited by BPS as fulfilling stage 1 towards specialist Chartered Psychologist status,,both courses Part -Time Online learning
    and advertised in current edition of The Irish Psychologist.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,410 ✭✭✭sparkling sea


    Has anyone here started and/or finished the OU's MSc in Forensic Psychology and Criminology, I am would be grateful for any information on this course.

    I have an hons degree in Criminal Justice Sudies and have studied Criminology for 3 to an advance level and really enjoyed this.

    Any info at all would be appreciated


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 KateOHara


    Hi all,

    Ive just applied to do forensic psychology in York and Leicester hopefully ill get one of the courses... I have an undergrad in psych and have been doing work experience since september... Ive worked with female offenders, im doing an internship with the IPRT at the moment and am a befriender in Cloverhill..

    In terms of jobs in Ireland in the future I was wondering does anyone have any more insights?

    Is doing clinical the best route for getting a job?

    Just wondering if anyone has thoughts about how ireland has come on in terms of Job oppertunities in forensic settings ?:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 KateOHara


    Yes I heard of two people training in the north


  • Registered Users Posts: 28 aliceayres


    Hi,

    I know all of the related posts here about forensic psychology were a few years ago now, but i was wondering if anyone knows whether or not anything has changed since then? Is UUC or the open university the only pkaces that it can be done as a postgrad course? Is it still definately necessary to go to England for experinece in the field? and does it appear to be a transferable postgraduate course that could be applied to other careers if you decided to change direction a few years down the line?

    Any info or help would be appreciated.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 KateOHara


    well Cork is not running the course this year nor did they last year so it seems to be dead in the water for a while anyway....

    It seems that you do have to go to the UK although Queens in belfast have nearly their course up and running but they will have to get it accredited then probably after the first year... you never know it could get going this year??

    I heard that there are two working as assistant forensic psychologists in the north but i do not know what the funding would be in the republic in the next few years we'll have to wait and see.. although i have been in contact wit the prison service and others and they are positive about jobs in the future.

    well the masters would be one of the criteria for clinical i know a few who have got into clinical with a forensic masters with other experience also though

    Hope it helps somehow..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 OliviaSwan


    Hi Kate
    I'm about to start my final year of a BA(Hons) Psychology and am looking at Leicester University to do an MSc Forensic. Can you tell me if you got into Leicester or York and how it has been for you? Also I see you did some work experience within the prison service here in Ireland, can you advise me on how to apply for this.
    Thanks in advance
    Olivia


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 KateOHara


    Hi Olivia,

    I have just finished my masters in York. I was accepted to Leicester but chose York instead. It was a good course. I got to do some placement, but I was one of the lucky ones not everyone had the opportunity. York is a good uni, its has a good reputation. I am applying for jobs in the area at the moment but have had no success yet, hopefully I will be able to get something.

    In Dublin I volunteered with the St Vincent dePaul (their head office is on Sean McDermott Street) they have volunteers that go into prisons in Dublin and also work in the visitors centre of Mount Joy. DePaul Ireland was where I did my placement with female offenders, this was brilliant I would highly recommend it.

    Forensic Psychology in Ireland is really non existent so you would have to be prepared to move and work in the UK or elsewhere. just to keep that in mind. Hope this helps I'm happy to answer any other questions you may have.

    Kate


  • Registered Users Posts: 23 elfan


    Hi Olivia,
    I am currently doing the doctorate in Nottingham. I would advise you to look at this and the one in Birmingham as they qualify both stages 1 and 2 of the BPS diploma. Kate is perfectly correct about how difficult it is to get opportunities in Forensic Psychology in Ireland at the moment. I did my experience in Dublin at Youthreach with disadvantaged youths who had a history of criminality. I am currently on placement in an adolescent forensic psychiatric hospital so Youthreach was useful experience. If you have any questions I am happy to answer them.
    Kevin


  • Registered Users Posts: 43 adastra


    Hi elfan,

    Could you tell me if there is any funding for your doctorate? And if not, do you mind me asking how you manage financially? I would love to do forensic psychology, either a masters or doctorate, but I just don't know how I would be able to afford it right now :(


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  • Registered Users Posts: 23 elfan


    Adastra,
    I have sent you a pm.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 OliviaSwan


    Hi Kate and Kevin

    Thanks for taking the time to reply, I really appreciate it and your comments have been very helpful.
    Best of luck with your job hunting Kate.

    Regards
    Olivia


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 KateOHara


    I would really appreciate any info you have on getting on the doctorate. I plan to do the two year/three year top up when in the next year or two. Did you do the three years in Nottingham?

    Funding wise I have heard of the NHS funding places, however, you will need to have been employed with them.

    I contacted one of the course administrators and they were very helpful. Since your actually doing the course though any words of wisdom I know will be beneficial.

    Thanks

    Kate


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3 Popcorn!


    Hi!
    I'm trying to decide now whether or not to study Forensic Psychology. I find it's a very interesting subject and I've always had a nack at knowing if people were lieing to me or hidding something. But it is a big lifestyle choice so I don't what to do. And I've heard it's hard to do anything really in Ireland.
    Any tips?
    Thanx Pauline


  • Registered Users Posts: 7 GlenmoreMark


    @popcorn what I would say is if you are seriously thinking about becoming a Forensic Psychologist the key is whether you are able to move to the UK to get experience to obtain chartership with the BPS. In the prison service although the training might be very different, the difference in the work between clinical, forensic and counselling psychology is negligeable. Personally if I was in Ireland and starting out in the field I would take the training route that best suits my circumstances and go from there. You can seek work in a forensic setting as a clinical or counselling psychologist.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3 Popcorn!


    @Mark, Thank you very much for the tip I will try and get my degree here in Ireland and if I have to I'll go to UK aswel. How long would I have to spend in the UK though?


  • Registered Users Posts: 7 GlenmoreMark


    You would have to do stage 2 of the BPS qualification in the UK. The website is http://www.bps.org.uk/careers-education-training/society-qualifications/forensic-psychology/qualification-forensic-psychol. It does say the QFP (Stage 2) involves at least two years of supervised practice in which you will be expected to demonstrate several core competencies. 2 years would be good going and would require a job with a broad role to cover the competences. there are recent doctoral programmes in the Uk that cover stage 1 of the BPS qualification (i.e. MSC) plus stage 2. To me this option has a greater appeal than doing an MSC and then having to find work that would offer a broad enough range of work to meet all the competencies. But that depends on your willingness to go for longer to the UK. I found one doctorate in nottingham. http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/iwho/news/newdoctorateannounced-dforenpsy.aspx


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3 Popcorn!


    You have been a real help Mark, thank you very much! I'm really glad for your advise, I wish you luck in your goals :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 7 GlenmoreMark


    No problem at all, happy to help,

    Sarah


  • Registered Users Posts: 23 elfan


    The two forensic psychology doctorate programmes in the UK are in Birmingham and Nottingham. In Nottingham there is provision to skip the first year of the course and go straight onto year 2 if you already have an MSc in forensic psych (this is what i did). Where I am working now there are trainees from Birmingham and i do notice quite a few subtle differences between the two courses. The most significant one for some people would be the cost (Brum is approx 1k more expensive per annum). I think the reason for the differences is because the Birmingham course was set up primarily to adhere to the BPS core roles because they had jurisdiction over psychology in the UK at the time. The Nottingham course is more recent and was set up to adhere the the HPC standards of proficiency as they now have jurisdiction over psychology in the UK. There is not too much difference but I suppose it is something to be aware of for anyone contempating going down this career path. I spent 12 months in the UK on placement but now I get to return to Ireland for the next 12 months of placement. I think this is a sign that forensic psychology is slowly starting to be recognised more in Ireland and there may well be greater opportunities to work in forensic psychology in the future :) To the people who sent me pms I have now replied to all of them - sorry about the delay I am not on the site that often.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2 NaunaG


    Hi I seen your reply on forensic psychology which was a very good help to me, and I am very interested in studying it when I start collage in September. But I a hoping you can help me with a few questions , is there any difference between criminal psychology and forensic psychology? and what colleges offer this course in Ireland ? I am finishing secondary school this year and am very interested in studying this in collage but am not sure where I will have to go to find a job in it . If you can help in any way I would really appreciate it. Many thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭JuliusCaesar


    NaunaG wrote: »
    is there any difference between criminal psychology and forensic psychology? and what colleges offer this course in Ireland ?

    This might answer your first question, and reading the threads on this subject might answer your second.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2 Mary J.


    Hello,

    I have just come across this thread and relaise that the last post was easlier this year. I was therefore wondeirng to anyone pursuing a career in forensic psychology whether they were successful in obtaining a job in Ireland. I am doing my stage 2 training at the moment in the UK however I would love to get a job in Ireland when I qualify, however I never see any advertised for the prison service or the central mental hospital. Can anyone advise?

    Mark I understand that you have successfully obtained a forensic psychology qualification and are working in Ireland. Is there any pointers you could provide?

    Thank you in anticipation,

    Mary


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭JuliusCaesar


    Hi Mary J, look at current affairs: public service, HSE and recruitment. I think you'll find we're all operating with reduced staff and (according to our Minister for Health) still providing the same level of service. :rolleyes:
    No idea when we might start recruiting again...anyone have any ideas?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2 Mary J.


    Thanks JuliusCaesar, yes if anyone has an update or could offer any insight it would be much appreciated.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2 Kveroni


    Hi everyone,
    I am a qualified psychologist from Argentina willing to work as such here in Ireland. I’m 29 years old, living in Limerick since June 2010. It took me all this time to settle myself in Ireland, but now I feel confident enough to start moving forward and apply for accreditation of my qualifications with the PSI.
    First of all please let me tell you that the psychology career in Argentina takes 5 or 6 years, depending on the university where you attend the courses.......

    Mod Edit: too much detail, beginning to look more like a CV. JC

    I’ve choose to focus my training on the Forensic area.

    While you are completing your mandatory amount of courses per year to complete a full academic year, you can also attend post graduated courses ....

    In my case I’ve done 4 of this extra courses, all of them in forensic psychology


    ...
    Mod Edit: too much detail, beginning to look more like a CV. JC

    I completed an internship in the Legal area of the Psychology department, University of Cordoba, Argentina, within the framework of the Youth Probation Service.

    ...
    Mod Edit: too much detail, beginning to look more like a CV. JC

    Sorry if I’m making this too long, but I’ve been looking for advice and I found it very difficult so far. I understand that a degree here in Ireland is quite different than what I’ve done.
    In Argentina for instance, this degree enables me to start working not only in the Forensic area but also in counseling/psychotherapy or even in the clinical area, of course always under supervision.
    I haven’t registered myself with the statutory body in Argentina, because shortly after graduating I decided to move to Ireland.
    I’m afraid that if I apply my documentation to the undergraduate department at PSI I’ll get them validated as an Irish degree level, which would be a bit disappointing considering I’ve been in college for almost 8 years.
    I have sent all my documents to UL and they have told me I can join their courses directly at a master’s level. But then this brings me to another question: what master to do? Especially considering the lack of Forensic related courses. And even if there was a course on this area, then where will I be able to work as a Forensic psychology in Limerick? Everything I’ve read about being a psychologist in Ireland seems to be for Clinical or Educational kind of training…

    ...
    Mod Edit: too much detail, beginning to look more like a CV. JC

    I will welcome opinions, suggestions, anything that might give me an idea of where am I standing with all the above.
    Thanks a lot on advance for taking the time to read and answer.
    Kind regards,


  • Registered Users Posts: 2 Kveroni


    I forgot to mention that it is my first time posting here in Boards.ie. Hopefully i've done it correctly. Please let me know if this is not the way of doing so.
    Regards


  • Registered Users Posts: 7 GlenmoreMark


    Mary J. wrote: »
    Hello,

    I have just come across this thread and relaise that the last post was easlier this year. I was therefore wondeirng to anyone pursuing a career in forensic psychology whether they were successful in obtaining a job in Ireland. I am doing my stage 2 training at the moment in the UK however I would love to get a job in Ireland when I qualify, however I never see any advertised for the prison service or the central mental hospital. Can anyone advise?

    Mark I understand that you have successfully obtained a forensic psychology qualificationisu and are working in Ireland. Is there any pointers you could provide?

    Thank you in anticipation,

    Mary

    Mary - only just seen your question sorry - no change in the prison service - there have been no further posts advertised in a while. Recruitment has ceased with budget cuts and they're not replacing anyone who leaves. Any posts that have been advertised in last couple of years have been clinical. Usually advertised in Psi. There will more likely be trainee placements until recruitment starts again. You're on the right track getting your stage 2 completed so you are ready to go when jobs advertised.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 923 ✭✭✭biohaiid


    Hi, I am currently writing a careers report on Forensic Psychology for Uni and am wondering where people are coming up with the figure of 4 forensic psychologists working in Ireland?
    I'd like to use the stat in my report but of course I can only use and cite a valid course.
    Thanks.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,506 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    It's a figure that's been around for a while. Have you thought about contacting the forensic division? http://www.psihq.ie/psi-division-forensic-psychology

    Or have you Googled 'forensic mental health Ireland', you get a few hits that may help, but mightn't have the actual figure.


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