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Today I did something in my Garden

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭paddylonglegs


    Started clearing the veg patch of last year’s weeds and leftovers. Didn’t get too much done unfortunately, with an energetic toddler underfoot most of my day was spent walking around looking at jobs that need doing but not being able to get at them!

    Tell me about it.

    Dig hole - come back 5 mins later - full of toys


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,921 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    Tell me about it.

    Dig hole - come back 5 mins later - full of toys

    The trick is to get them involved in the game and use their lower centre of gravity to your advantage.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Started clearing the veg patch of last year’s weeds and leftovers. Didn’t get too much done unfortunately, with an energetic toddler underfoot most of my day was spent walking around looking at jobs that need doing but not being able to get at them!

    Mulched two beds last week and my two year old decided I had a made a "big mess" so he has been painstakingly removing the mulch from the beds in bucket fulls ever since.

    I'm building him and his sister a full play area with sand pit, mud kitchen and planting areas that he can do his worst to over Easter, but I'll be expecting my garden back in 10 years' time!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,890 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    ... but I'll be expecting my garden back in 10 years' time!

    :pac: Don't count on it! Generational divide as to what was the appropriate use of an old tractor tyre. I thought it'd make a good raised bed ...

    Garden-Games.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,251 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Three hours yesterday removing wild onion, garlic and grape hyacinth from my raised beds.
    This would have been easy enough, if I hadn't planted those beds with lavender and fescue last year before I knew what was lurking underneath!


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 11,373 Mod ✭✭✭✭lordgoat


    Anyone got any recommendations for good growing topsoil or compost in bulk.

    I need t freshen up some old beds and I have a couple of fancy new metal beds to install (not looking forward to putting these together).

    I have some 2 year old compost but not enough for what I need.

    Happy to get some messages if we are not allowed name businesses on thread.

    Thanks


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,161 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    where are you based?
    we bought topsoil from mulch.ie recently, was decent enough stuff. they're dublin only AFAIK.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,441 ✭✭✭blackbox


    I transplanted some miniature early daffodils "in the green" today. I know this works for snowdrops but I'm not sure if daffs will survive. Also planted a heap of snowdrops.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭Ms2011


    blackbox wrote: »
    I transplanted some miniature early daffodils "in the green" today. I know this works for snowdrops but I'm not sure if daffs will survive. Also planted a heap of snowdrops.

    I've thrown daffodils in the compost bin and they've grown the following year :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,251 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    blackbox wrote: »
    I transplanted some miniature early daffodils "in the green" today. I know this works for snowdrops but I'm not sure if daffs will survive. Also planted a heap of snowdrops.

    I did some yesterday that were technically "in the yellow!", I'm sure the bulbs will survive and recover in a year or two.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,251 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Ms2011 wrote: »
    I've thrown daffodils in the compost bin and they've grown the following year :D

    I was turning my compost today and noticed that I had stupidly dumped some ivy in there that was now growing well! :o


  • Registered Users Posts: 326 ✭✭hirondelle


    Got told I can have a greenhouse for free from my neighbours today, just have to cut through an overgrown garden to dismantle it, move it and reassemble it on my garden

    I would suggest taking as many photos as possible before dismantling- the reassembly may run a bit smoother.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,251 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    hirondelle wrote: »
    I would suggest taking as many photos as possible before dismantling- the reassembly may run a bit smoother.....

    And use a whiteboard marker to draw a line across every joint and number each piece first.
    Much easier to put back together when you can line up all the lines.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 870 ✭✭✭SnowyMuckish


    I’m just wondering what kind of soil people have used in their ponds for their aquatic plants? It’s virtually impossible to source aquatic compost at the moment. I can only find 2 Irish suppliers and they don’t deliver. Has anyone used normal soil?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭scarepanda


    I’m just wondering what kind of soil people have used in their ponds for their aquatic plants? It’s virtually impossible to source aquatic compost at the moment. I can only find 2 Irish suppliers and they don’t deliver. Has anyone used normal soil?

    Theres a lad on YouTube who uses subsoil to line the base of his ponds and plants directly into that. His channel is wildyourgarden.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,890 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    blackbox wrote: »
    I transplanted some miniature early daffodils "in the green" today. I know this works for snowdrops but I'm not sure if daffs will survive.

    They probably will! These guys (with the exception of the dwarf narcissi in the middle) were moved "in the green" several years ago because they popped up in an unexpected and not entirely convenient location:

    Transplanted-Daffs.jpg

    At the time, they were three small clumps (two or three flowers each, max) As you can see, they've flourished in their new home!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 580 ✭✭✭whelzer


    where are you based?
    we bought topsoil from mulch.ie recently, was decent enough stuff. they're dublin only AFAIK.

    Would also recommend Mulch, I use their Soil Enricher every 2 years on my veg bed and now flower borders.

    How come they are not called flower beds??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,890 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Apologies in advance for spamming this thread with photos - but it's been a good day, and I need to celebrate! :cool:

    Two jobs finished (ish) for the price of ... one capsized digger, two trailer breakdowns, two aching shoulders, several worn-out vertebrae, and uncountable hours spent figuring out how, when, where and why!

    This was the pleasant scene, about eleven months ago - lines of potatoes and onions doing what they do and making me proud:

    Pond-1-Before.jpg

    And if you love well-managed vegetable gardens, this'll make you cry! :eek: The same view, today, having dug about 40m³ of topsoil out of my future pond:

    Pond-2-After.jpg

    From a different angle (standard-sized wheelbarrow for scale):

    Pond-from-above.jpg

    There's a lot more digging to be done there to take it down below the water table (and help keep the adjacent "farmyard" dry [you can see in the background where an experimental trench through the farmyard has become a canal]) but the clay-rich subsoil will be used to build embankments all around; and I won't start that till it's dried out a bit.

    So: where did the topsoil go? Well, here: this is what you call a raised bed! :pac:

    Raised-Bed.jpg

    Terrace-from-above.jpg

    Again, quite a bit more work to be done "in due course ..." :rolleyes: - particularly building retaining walls or pallisades on all four sides (which, yes, I know, the books say should be built first ... but that could take me several years - I haven't yet finalised how it'll be contoured east and west!) I used the digger to get the terraces to approximately the right height, but the fine-tuning was done the old-fashioned way: with a straight edge, a rake and a lot of physical effort.

    Every load of soil that went in there had a layer of hay at the bottom (to help it slide out of the trailer) so there's now quite a bit of organic matter mixed in with the clay; and a huge number of big, fat worms to help break it up. The "terraces" are slightly canted towards the back as a water-management strategy. The high point here is slightly below the level of the gutters on the house, so I'll look into using simple hydraulics to copiously irrigate the terraces during summer thunderstorms.

    In the meantime, seeing as the fridge is empty, e-mails have gone unanswered for too long, and the washing machine is on the blink, the landscaping will have to be put on pause for a while. But I'll still try to get some veg (trans)planted up on the hill in the next week.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That is some going, well done. I put some chicken manure on my hedge and some ericaceous compost on my acid lovers after work and was feeling good about getting half an hour's fresh air!!!


  • Posts: 7,499 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Good stuff.
    I take it thats for water storage and not for fish?!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,890 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    I take it thats for water storage and not for fish?!

    Correct. If our future summers here follow the same pattern as in recent years, the pond(s) would be almost completely drained by October, so not at all suitable for fish. It'll probably take a few years to figure out the balance between real capacity and consumption, but I'm hoping they support a decent population of amphibians and reptiles, and perhaps a corner of waterlilies or other aquatic plants.

    The inner faces of the embankments will be terraced somewhat like the "raised bed" and I'd be thinking of growing some moisture-loving summer veg on the first "flood plain" area to be exposed as the levels drop. I'll do whatever I can to keep it attractive throughout the season, and (hopefully) avoid going into the autumn with nothing more than a manky puddle surrounded by 100m² of gooey mud!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,646 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    Correct. If our future summers here follow the same pattern as in recent years, the pond(s) would be almost completely drained by October, so not at all suitable for fish. It'll probably take a few years to figure out the balance between real capacity and consumption, but I'm hoping they support a decent population of amphibians and reptiles, and perhaps a corner of waterlilies or other aquatic plants.

    The inner faces of the embankments will be terraced somewhat like the "raised bed" and I'd be thinking of growing some moisture-loving summer veg on the first "flood plain" area to be exposed as the levels drop. I'll do whatever I can to keep it attractive throughout the season, and (hopefully) avoid going into the autumn with nothing more than a manky puddle surrounded by 100m² of gooey mud!
    how are you going to keep the water from stagnating?


  • Posts: 7,499 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    how are you going to keep the water from stagnating?

    if you are looking at a pump check aquta forte dm vario - extremely efficient pumps .
    or look into an air lift .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,441 ✭✭✭blackbox


    Apologies in advance for spamming this thread with photos - but it's been a good day, and I need to celebrate! :cool:

    This was the pleasant scene, about eleven months ago - lines of potatoes and onions doing what they do and making me proud:

    There's a lot more digging to be done there to take it down below the water table (and help keep the adjacent "farmyard" dry [you can see in the background where an experimental trench through the farmyard has become a canal]) but the clay-rich subsoil will be used to build embankments all around; and I won't start that till it's dried out a bit.

    That's a huge amount of work. You deserve a celebration.

    I get the impression that you're not planning to use a liner.

    Unless you have a stream feeding it. Will the surface level not simply go up and down to equal the water table?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,809 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Pulled back the plastic on one vegetable bed.... Slugs. Snails... Like, dozens. Might put some slug traps before anything goes in.

    Going to be a long season I think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,921 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    Aerial photo of my veg garden


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,890 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Aerial photo of my veg garden

    Is that a chicken run in the bottom right hand corner? Or are you dabbling in snail-farming? :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,890 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    how are you going to keep the water from stagnating?
    blackbox wrote: »
    I get the impression that you're not planning to use a liner.

    Unless you have a stream feeding it. Will the surface level not simply go up and down to equal the water table?

    No stream, no liner, no recirculation pump! 'Tis the traditional way around here, and even though it should result in a stagnant pool, it doesn't. The local farmers dig a deeper hole natural depressions in the fields to provide watering holes for their cattle.

    It has (must have?) something to do with the clay soil, and for the same reason, I should be able to store copious amounts above the water table. To a certain extent, even the term "water table" isn't really appropriate in this context, as the clay forms a nearly impermeable layer anywhere it's compacted.

    So it's very common in our ground to have pools of water in wheel ruts and other surface dents, but the soil underneath will be almost bone dry. The plan here is to deliberately create layers of compacted clay at strategic locations (e.g. the "farmyard" and under the terraced bed) so that as much rainfall as possible flows sideways to the lowest point, i.e. into the ponds, from where it can then only percolate very, very slowly through its own compacted clay lining.

    Get back to me in a year or two and I'll tell you whether the practice lives up to the theory! :cool:


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,161 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Water stagnates when there's too much nutrient in it. The clay soil may be low in those nutrients, so less likely to stagnate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,921 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    Is that a chicken run in the bottom right hand corner? Or are you dabbling in snail-farming? :D

    Thats the chicken run. Built it last year. It's fully enclosed to deal with the sideways rain we get here. Built a pen adjacent for them to go outside while avian flu in with us.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,767 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Planted three rows of spuds - clearing the ground took most of the time but at least there is a nice clear patch now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 870 ✭✭✭SnowyMuckish


    Today was the first day that I had ‘proper’ time in the garden. It was such a beautiful evening, the stillness of the air was broken only by the calming melody of the birds. It was one of those days where I think I needed the garden as much as it needed me! There is no better tonic for a hectic, stressful day.

    I sauntered around the boarders inspecting signs of new growth. I divided some geranium Rozannes in the autumn. Watching their almost fernlike fronds unfurling was the highlight of the evening!

    Outside of that, I started some small odd jobs, weeding, tidying and dividing some perennials.

    It’s just got me in the right frame of mind for Monty’s first night back, glass of wine at the ready! Friday nights are finally back, a lovely long season ahead of us!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,520 ✭✭✭An Ri rua


    Spent the afternoon clearing birch twigs and pine cones from the lawns and avenue. And oak leaves from flower beds and pots. So good to be outside for the whole afternoon and evening. First properly kind day IMO. My 2 tomcats thought they'd died and gone to Heaven.

    Preparing a sheltered gravelled area for a J-shape rocket stove and my twig stove.
    Looking forward to days like last April, God willing.
    Preparing a quarter acre at the back of the sheds as a wild garden/orchard. Planning to cut Georgian garden style paths through the grass, 2 widths wide, and then scuffle up the base of the ditches and the ground, where I can get at it through the grass, and sow wild flower seeds. Have my grandfather's scythe and just took delivery of a Lansky Puck so looking forward to testing that and sharpening up my new Tramontina machete and other tools. Going to avoid using petrol/electric machines on this garden if I can. Definitely once I get it up and running.

    Windy West facing hillside but lovely spot, full of badgers, foxes and rabbits.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,921 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    Just sowed 180 peas,90 beans and 10 squash in modules in the greenhouse.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Chainsawed stump of Laurel, painted fence behind same.
    Sowed tomatoes
    Covered onions which are just poking through - the crows etc are a right pain.
    Weeded pollinator bed.

    Tomorrow the front grass cut again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 870 ✭✭✭SnowyMuckish


    Spent today doing a bit more clearing and weeding of the veg beds. I don’t know what today’s public enemy number 1 was but it was hotly contested between self seeded fennel with their deep tap roots and stray raspberry canes sprouting everywhere.

    Also ordered some nicotina sylvestris and night scented stock. The path to our decking is a well trodden route on late summer evenings so my project for this year is to add a bit of evening scent along the way.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    My god fennel is up there with alpine strawberries and some exotic grasses for marching across the landscape. Each by a different method but all annoying!


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,161 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    interesting, the alpine strawberries have disappeared from our garden, and i'd prefer them to have stayed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    That's odd, the birds love eating seeds and pooing them nearby and not so near by - I've found them 100 metres or more from the bed they used to occupy - ironically that bed now has fennel!


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,161 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    yeah, that's why i found it surprised that they did die off... that said, other types of plants have disappeared too (e.g. dog violets), but i've made a lot of changes to the garden since we bought the house.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,767 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Yes we have the plague of invading fennel. Its really very pretty but you lose patience with it when it pops up in every crack and crevice and flower bed!

    Meanwhile today we (entirely unplanned, there are lots more urgent jobs :D) got stuck into an area of brambles, nettles and willows which hasn't been touched in donkey's years apart from a place to dump unwanted furniture, mattresses and unidentifiable rubbish. Most of the rubbish was already gone into skips last year, there was just an old metal bed frame and what may have been a small mattress (kind of synthetic black/purple horsehair stuff) and a few bits of timber - oh and a mine of broken wall tiles.

    The willows are not looking great - one had a lot of 'new' shoots that were obviously dead, so I gave the tree a push and right enough it was rotten and rocking on its stump. So we pushed it over and hauled it to the dead wood graveyard. Then I spied another one that seemed to be at a mad angle, so I gave that a push and it swayed in the ground, so between us we literally pushed it out of the ground, in spite of quite a bit of optimistic new growth. We were going to sort them out a bit anyway, but I didn't think it would be that easy - they had about one foot diameter trunks. Most of them - there were about 8 in total, 3 or 4 are now gone, are rotten to some extent, the two we pushed over were completely rotten at the base. They are probably around 20 years old at a guess. There is evidence of burning round several of them so maybe they were damaged and got some sort of fungus or rot.

    I suppose I should do a bit of research before I plant anything else (hazels maybe) there if they have some kind of rot. Its going to stay a wild corner anyway, the nettles are raring to go again!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,890 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    :pac: Ye're all cursing your fennel, and there I was this morning scratching through the dirt trying to find as many plants as possible to lift and save before I get stuck into renovating the herb garden! About half a dozen - the same as the number of single shoots of mint I found - and in great contrast to the many, many clumps of oregano.

    After that, I set my mind to cutting some wood (trimming old knotty trunks in preparation for getting them cut into planks) and the next thing I know, it's seven pm and I've broken new ground with a couple of trenches for potatoes, and stripped a narrow border along the pavement out the front back to bare soil - something I've been dying to do for fifteen years! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 870 ✭✭✭SnowyMuckish


    As annoying as the fennel is I think raspberries /tayberries take first prize in my garden for most annoying plants! I rue the day that I introduced them to the veg patch, should have kept them well away on their own. It’s creeping along under the raised bed sleepers and popping up in all the beds. Spent last spring trying to remove every last piece of root, evidently I didn’t do a great job as I’m back to square one again :mad:


  • Posts: 7,499 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Would you believe my father in law was getting rid of this cordyline?
    Its been uprooted for about 2 months but I think its going to be ok.
    The root ball was almost 1m deep! Had to rent a van and it was still hanging out the back.

    a3b6c753-f0f7-45e9-8083-32070c5eba59.jpg

    Also bought & planted 2 cox's pippin apple tress on our espalier frame.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,890 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Would you believe my father in law was getting rid of this cordyline?

    Parents-in-law can be strange creatures. :pac:

    Congratulations on getting it moved; hope it settles in at the new location.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,921 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    Parents-in-law can be strange creatures. :pac:

    Congratulations on getting it moved; hope it settles in at the new location.

    Mine are 3 5 hours by plane and a 4 hour drive away. In laws not the plants.

    Took the day off today and planning on putting in some posts tomorrow to make a support for the beans I sowed yesterday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,767 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Planted a tree, did some weeding, cut the top third off a very badly placed large holly bush, helped dig up yet another mattress from the willow area, pulled up another rotten willow stump.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,161 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    we got some seed sowing done today - pea, shallots, spinach and carrots (i think, my wife was doing some)
    got the spuds in the ground last tuesday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,646 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    Two glorious days for gardening

    Moved polytunnel, frame in place, timber doors + frames done. Just have to finish timber raised bed frame inside then cover with new polythene.
    Made a plan for my veg garden for the season.
    Also got most of area dug for my early spuds. Hopefully going into the ground tomorrow.
    Also powerwashed three quarters of our paths.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭Lashes28


    Painted fencing for 92 hours today.

    What's the best way to get rid of weeds? The front garden is just a sea of them.


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