Is it time to run buses and trains on the 25/26th Dec?

whisky_galore · 25-12-2018 6:44pm #1

Not everyone being a 9 to 5er with Christmas Day and Stephens' Day off. There was some annoyed calls on foot of an interview with an IE spokesperson that they had to get taxis to get to work on those dates. Maybe some sort of limited services, does every other European country and city shut down at that time?

Thoughts?

ItsHoggie · 25-12-2018 6:45pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

Not everyone being a 9 to 5er with Christmas Day and Stephens' Day off. There was some annoyed calls on foot of an interview with an IE spokesperson that they had to get taxis to get to work on those dates. Maybe some sort of limited services, does every other European country and city shut down at that time?

Thoughts?

Is there no buses at all tomorrow? I thought they’d be running on Sunday hours.

questionmark? · 25-12-2018 6:46pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

Not everyone being a 9 to 5er with Christmas Day and Stephens' Day off. There was some annoyed calls on foot of an interview with an IE spokesperson that they had to get taxis to get to work on those dates. Maybe some sort of limited services, does every other European country and city shut down at that time?

Thoughts?

Christmas Day - No

St. Stephen's day - limited service for those working and going to shops late start early finish.

Mongfinder General · 25-12-2018 6:46pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

Not everyone being a 9 to 5er with Christmas Day and Stephens' Day off. There was some annoyed calls on foot of an interview with an IE spokesperson that they had to get taxis to get to work on those dates. Maybe some sort of limited services, does every other European country and city shut down at that time?

Thoughts?

What's stopping private transport companies offering a service on Xmas day?

Eric Cartman · 25-12-2018 6:48pm

We've had a referenduum on abortion, on gay marraige, we've stopped locking up women in laundries, we've very much taken the 'catholic' out of 'good ol 'catholic' Ireland' , but ofcourse the last bastian to hold on is the civil servants and the state transport workers, protected to the hilt by fatcat unions and refusing to do a tap more than their grandad who got their father a job and them a job did.

RocketRaccoon · 25-12-2018 6:50pm

Will ye just **** off and let people have a day off. Bus travel isn't essential and the drivers put up with enough **** during the year, why should they have to work Christmas day?

piplip87 · 25-12-2018 6:51pm

Most services are running Sunday hours but unfortunately it means nothing to those who may have to be work for 9. I'm lucky that the company runs a bus/pays people to pick up others during Bank Holidays and I'm on an expressway route into the city.

Stephen15 · 25-12-2018 7:37pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

We've had a referenduum on abortion, on gay marraige, we've stopped locking up women in laundries, we've very much taken the 'catholic' out of 'good ol 'catholic' Ireland' , but ofcourse the last bastian to hold on is the civil servants and the state transport workers, protected to the hilt by fatcat unions and refusing to do a tap more than their grandad who got their father a job and them a job did.

What absolute nonsense. Nearly every business is closed on Christmas union or no union. Luas, Go-Ahead, Aircoach and nearly every other private operator isn't running services either today and most are operating tomorrow apart from Irish Rail so you can't say it's something exclusive to CIE companies

Stephen15 · 25-12-2018 7:39pm

ItsHoggie wrote: »

Is there no buses at all tomorrow? I thought they’d be running on Sunday hours.

They are all running tomorrow except Irish Rail. I don't understand why IE don't run on Stephen's Day considering every other operator is.

Did DB not operate a skeleton service on Christmas Day years ago but no one used it? I struggle to see any real demand for public transport on Christmas Day considering nearly every shop, restaurant or pub is shut. The vast majority of people aren't working there might be a small few working but everyone manages it's one day of the year.

he amount of money that would have to be paid out to drivers and other essential staff in overtime would make it not worthwhile and quite frankly a waste of money.

Del2005 · 25-12-2018 7:43pm

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

Will ye just **** off and let people have a day off. Bus travel isn't essential and the drivers put up with enough **** during the year, why should they have to work Christmas day?

Because thousands of their customers are working. Its not like a person who works has to work 24/7 365, they have other days off

Del2005 · 25-12-2018 7:45pm

Mongfinder General wrote: »

What's stopping private transport companies offering a service on Xmas day?

Licences. They can't run on the routes assigned to other companies so they won't be able to pick up any passengers.

mloc123 · 25-12-2018 7:48pm

Mongfinder General wrote: »

What's stopping private transport companies offering a service on Xmas day?

The Bus Eireann/Dublin bus mafia. There was a direct service that served Celbridge to town a few years back. DB killed it off by increasing the bus service at competing times, only to reduce it back after the private company pulled out.

Amprodude · 25-12-2018 7:50pm

Del2005 wrote: »

Because thousands of their customers are working. Its not like a person who works has to work 24/7 365, they have other days off

Some people have to moan over nothing.

Stephen15 · 25-12-2018 7:50pm

Del2005 wrote: »

Because thousands of their customers are working. Its not like a person who works has to work 24/7 365, they have other days off

How many people are actually working working today apart from Firemen, Gardai and Ambulance crews?

Eric Cartman · 25-12-2018 7:53pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

How many people are actually working working today apart from Firemen, Gardai and Ambulance crews?

People in security, contract cleaning, newspapers, television, the esb, air traffic control, data centre staff, telecoms engineers, petrol station employees, hotel staff, nursing home staff, some finance companies dealing with asia and the UAE,

mloc123 · 25-12-2018 7:56pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

People in security, contract cleaning, newspapers, television, the esb, air traffic control, data centre staff, telecoms engineers, petrol station employees, hotel staff, nursing home staff, some finance companies dealing with asia and the UAE,

You covered anyone I was about to list. Dublin bus must have a reasonable percentage of non Christian staff now that would have no issues working Dec 25th... Just another day for them.

Stephen15 · 25-12-2018 7:58pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

People in security, contract cleaning, newspapers, television, the esb, air traffic control, data centre staff, telecoms engineers, petrol station employees, hotel staff, nursing home staff, some finance companies dealing with asia and the UAE,

In the grand scheme of things it's not an awful lot

Eric Cartman · 25-12-2018 8:01pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

In the grand scheme of things it's not an awful lot

no its not, but its an awful lot of the lower paid service sectors where people don't have cars and often the bus is the only way to work.

Spanish Eyes · 25-12-2018 8:06pm

It's ok for the moment, people are used to it.

But it would take a while to sort out with the Unions. As others have said I cannot understand DART and rail not operating Stephen's Day. But onwards and upwards.

No point having a barney today about it.

Wishbone Ash · 25-12-2018 8:10pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

People in security, contract cleaning, newspapers, television, the esb, air traffic control, data centre staff, telecoms engineers, petrol station employees, hotel staff, nursing home staff, some finance companies dealing with asia and the UAE,

....and not forgetting the tens of thousands working in the country's hospitals and also those in the prison service and other detention facilities......and the clergy.

appledrop · 25-12-2018 8:11pm

No reason for any services to run today. Tomorrow is different though. No way that Irish rail should be allowed to not offer a service tomorrow. A lot of people travel on St. Stephens Day + not everyone has a car or drives.

Guy:Incognito · 25-12-2018 8:11pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

. As others have said I cannot understand DART and rail not operating Stephen's Day. But onwards and upwards.
.

My mate is a train driver. He's fully expecting them to be running on the 26th within the next couple of years.

Stephen15 · 25-12-2018 8:43pm

I can kinda understand why Intercity trains aren't running tomorrow not much demand for long distance travel on Stephen's however Dart and commuter trains should really be running. It's worse in a lot places in the UK outside London where many bus companies are running no services on St.Stephens Day or operating an extremely limited service and many aren't running New Years Day either.

Spanish Eyes · 25-12-2018 9:02pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

I can kinda understand why Intercity trains aren't running tomorrow not much demand for long distance travel on Stephen's however Dart and commuter trains should really be running. It's worse in a lot places in the UK outside London where many bus companies are running no services on St.Stephens Day or operating an extremely limited service and many aren't running New Years Day either.

That is Brexitland now. Who really cares what they do. It is mostly privatised also.

Anyway, do not want to have a barney today, time enough for that. All the best.

Stephen15 · 25-12-2018 9:14pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

That is Brexitland now. Who really cares what they do. It is mostly privatised also.

Anyway, do not want to have a barney today, time enough for that. All the best.

I'm just saying as a lot of the rhetoric here seems to be regarding CIE unions where as in the UK bus services are all run by private companies.

L1011 · 25-12-2018 9:26pm

CIE used to run limited Dublin services on the 25th, I believe gone before the formation of DB though. Withdrawn due to increasing private car use for the things they were used for - mass, visiting graveyards and family etc.

Now there's more reasons for people to use them and a desire to reduce private car use so they should reintroduce then

Del2005 · 25-12-2018 9:35pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

In the grand scheme of things it's not an awful lot

They are customers and should be treated as such and should have a limited service to cater for them.

Sure couldn't we say the same about any public transport: Rural areas, in the grand scheme of things there's not an awful lot of people to use it so why not get rid of it. I've often seen loads of empty buses on mid week afternoons so there's obviously no need for buses mid week, so they can be gotten rid of also.

Odyssey 2005 · 25-12-2018 9:53pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

In the grand scheme of things it's not an awful lot

They're paying taxes,their taxes help fund a service that isn't providing adequate cover for them, do people pay less income tax on these dates ?.

Stephen15 · 25-12-2018 10:26pm

Del2005 wrote: »

They are customers and should be treated as such and should have a limited service to cater for them.

Sure couldn't we say the same about any public transport: Rural areas, in the grand scheme of things there's not an awful lot of people to use it so why not get rid of it. I've often seen loads of empty buses on mid week afternoons so there's obviously no need for buses mid week, so they can be gotten rid of also.

Sure all my local shops are closed today but I'm a customer and they're not catering for me as want to go to them on Christmas day. Public transport workers are entitled to a day off to spend with their families like everyone else the hours are bad enough as they are.

magentis · 25-12-2018 10:47pm

I believe a major issue with IE operating on the 26th is the need for line checks to be done on Christmas day?

There is no point in running a train for a dozen people either.I'm a taxpayer too and don't want to see waste like that.Just like the empty buses that will be seen running all over the country tomorrow.

RuleNumber6 · 25-12-2018 11:09pm

L1011 wrote: »

CIE used to run limited Dublin services on the 25th, I believe gone before the formation of DB though. Withdrawn due to increasing private car use for the things they were used for - mass, visiting graveyards and family etc.

Now there's more reasons for people to use them and a desire to reduce private car use so they should reintroduce then

Absolutely agree. If there is desire to reduce car use in a congested city, this is something (rightly or wrongly) people will expect to be in place - getting round the city with early finishes, days with no services etc over the festive period, won't be getting any easier!

end of the road · 25-12-2018 11:12pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

We've had a referenduum on abortion, on gay marraige, we've stopped locking up women in laundries, we've very much taken the 'catholic' out of 'good ol 'catholic' Ireland' , but ofcourse the last bastian to hold on is the civil servants and the state transport workers, protected to the hilt by fatcat unions and refusing to do a tap more than their grandad who got their father a job and them a job did.

of course this is inaccurate. the lack of service on the 25th and lesser to no services depending on route on the 26th is nothing to do with unions but with prospective demand.

mloc123 wrote: »

The Bus Eireann/Dublin bus mafia. There was a direct service that served Celbridge to town a few years back. DB killed it off by increasing the bus service at competing times, only to reduce it back after the private company pulled out.

there is no Bus Eireann/Dublin bus mafia.

Del2005 · 25-12-2018 11:18pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

Sure all my local shops are closed today but I'm a customer and they're not catering for me as want to go to them on Christmas day. Public transport workers are entitled to a day off to spend with their families like everyone else the hours are bad enough as they are.

There's a shop open close to you.

Feck when did we move to a country where people are forced to work everyday of the year? What public transport company is this that forces it's staff to work everyday as I'm amazed that the unions haven't complained about staff not getting days off. I also wonder how they manage driving hours if they are working everyday

Stephen15 · 25-12-2018 11:28pm

Del2005 wrote: »

There's a shop open close to you.

Feck when did we move to a country where people are forced to work everyday of the year? What public transport company is this that forces it's staff to work everyday as I'm amazed that the unions haven't complained about staff not getting days off. I also wonder how they manage driving hours if they are working everyday

My local Supermarket is closed, my local petrol station and Centra are all closed I live in Dublin. There are shops open but I'd have to drive.

I never said they were working everyday I said they are entitled to Christmas Day off.

Teddy Daniels · 25-12-2018 11:32pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

We've had a referenduum on abortion, on gay marraige, we've stopped locking up women in laundries, we've very much taken the 'catholic' out of 'good ol 'catholic' Ireland' , but ofcourse the last bastian to hold on is the civil servants and the state transport workers, protected to the hilt by fatcat unions and refusing to do a tap more than their grandad who got their father a job and them a job did.

christmas is nothing to do with the catholic church

its santa and santa was odin and woden and rebirth and midwinter

its the holiday

everyone thts not emergency ( santa and god and earth bless them)
should be off

Del2005 · 25-12-2018 11:56pm

Teddy Daniels wrote: »

christmas is nothing to do with the catholic church

its santa and santa was odin and woden and rebirth and midwinter

its the holiday

everyone thts not emergency ( santa and god and earth bless them)
should be off

So why are you posting on the internet? Should the internet, TV, Radio, etc be shutdown also so they can have the day off.

Teddy Daniels · 25-12-2018 11:58pm

Del2005 wrote: »

So why are you posting on the internet? Should the internet, TV, Radio, etc be shutdown also so they can have the day off.

whouldnt mind
i was having a ****

Franz Von Peppercorn · 25-12-2018 11:59pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

Sure all my local shops are closed today but I'm a customer and they're not catering for me as want to go to them on Christmas day. Public transport workers are entitled to a day off to spend with their families like everyone else the hours are bad enough as they are.

Surely there must be a few Muslims, atheists, Buddhists who don’t care about the day.

Mrs OBumble · 26-12-2018 12:08am

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Surely there must be a few Muslims, atheists, Buddhists who don’t care about the day.

I know some people who are Hindu who deliberately don't celebrate Christmas. Not sure how Muslims or Buddhists approach it.

But atheists? There's no way most of them aren't celebrating Christmas, if anything their pilgrimages to mammon are the largest of anyones, because they don't even pretend it about anything other than partying and keeping up with appearances.

Back on topic: in the regional cities, over the last few years on St Steven's day Bus Éireann have run a partial service on one route, then partial service on several routes,and this year a full Sunday service on all routes. We're getting there.

Wishbone Ash · 26-12-2018 1:46am

Stephen15 wrote: »

... I said they are entitled to Christmas Day off.

I don't think any employee is 'entitled' to be off on Christmas Day but perhaps you don't mean in a legal sense.

Also, you seem to think that only emergency services should operate on Christmas Day but what about the thousands of us who work in essential services (as opposed to emergency services)?

I've just finished a 13 hour shift today and myself and the 80 skeleton staff that were on duty could not have simply stayed at home. We had at least 5 who normally depend on public transport but we pushed the boat out to facilitate them.

That said, I agree with the sentiments about staff of purely commercial/non essential services being expected to be available on Christmas Day.

Rubberchikken · 26-12-2018 1:57am

im working today and yesterday. and will be tomorrow.
i managed to get myself there and dont begrudge the train/bus drivers day off/shorter day. its once a year.
tbh its not like we dont know its going yo happen so why not plan for it and quit whining.

Manach · 26-12-2018 2:14am

No - there should be at least one day when staff can be with their families without juggling multiple time schedules.

Del2005 · 26-12-2018 3:23am

Manach wrote: »

No - there should be at least one day when staff can be with their families without juggling multiple time schedules.

That's any day during the summer, easter and winter holidays or a weekend.

ZX7R · 26-12-2018 3:31am

Probably would not be cost efficient too run,I am working 12hour shift since 19:30
getting tripple time plus other perks, hate to think how much they would get for driving christmas day:rolleyes:

uck51js9zml2yt · 26-12-2018 3:33am

Eric Cartman wrote: »

We've had a referenduum on abortion, on gay marraige, we've stopped locking up women in laundries, we've very much taken the 'catholic' out of 'good ol 'catholic' Ireland' , but ofcourse the last bastian to hold on is the civil servants and the state transport workers, protected to the hilt by fatcat unions and refusing to do a tap more than their grandad who got their father a job and them a job did.

What's this got to do with civil servants?

AndrewJRenko · 26-12-2018 7:29am

Eric Cartman wrote: »

People in security, contract cleaning, newspapers, television, the esb, air traffic control, data centre staff, telecoms engineers, petrol station employees, hotel staff, nursing home staff, some finance companies dealing with asia and the UAE,

We should be going the other direction, and ban employers in non-essential services from dragging staff in, especially for minimum wage roles. You won't be having a super-exciting Christmas night if you have to be reporting for work in Next at 3am or 4am to be ready for the 6am sale opening.

It's a bit ridiculous.

Teddy Daniels · 26-12-2018 9:48am

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

I don't think any employee is 'entitled' to be off on Christmas Day but perhaps you don't mean in a legal sense.

Also, you seem to think that only emergency services should operate on Christmas Day but what about the thousands of us who work in essential services (as opposed to emergency services)?

I've just finished a 13 hour shift today and myself and the 80 skeleton staff that were on duty could not have simply stayed at home. We had at least 5 who normally depend on public transport but we pushed the boat out to facilitate them.

That said, I agree with the sentiments about staff of purely commercial/non essential services being expected to be available on Christmas Day.

Yeah I meant essential as opposed to non essential. What makes a job essential I wonder is it open to debate?

Teddy Daniels · 26-12-2018 9:49am

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

We should be going the other direction, and ban employers in non-essential services from dragging staff in, especially for minimum wage roles. You won't be having a super-exciting Christmas night if you have to be reporting for work in Next at 3am or 4am to be ready for the 6am sale opening.

It's a bit ridiculous.

That next think is sick.

gmisk · 26-12-2018 10:06am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There are certain public servants off until the second week of January, I certainly wouldn't begrudge transport workers a breather for two days.

Who? What departments?

They are taking annual leave I would think?

26-12-2018 10:10am

gmisk wrote: »

Who? What departments?

They are taking annual leave I would think?

Teachers, and this isn't a condemnation by the way. However, attacking bus/train drivers for a short interval reeks of sour grapes.

Deub · 26-12-2018 10:19am

The consensus here is: Only emergency services should work (hospital, guarda, etc).
But I imagine if internet went down on 25th morning, the responses would be quite different.
I guess when something doesn't impact you, you don't see the need. But if you need it, then it would be another story.

Is it time to run buses and trains on the 25/26th Dec?

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