Irish Rail September Timetable Changes

L1011 · 14-09-2018 12:39pm

Phil.x wrote: »

How is the maynooth line for seats at clonsilla and how many carriages

Absolutely not enough space to take a full M3 train. Most trains are 8 car with some 4

FitzElla · 14-09-2018 12:56pm

The Maynooth service has been late pretty much everyday this week in the morning rush. There are a few problems from what I've seen:

- Pushing out the the old 7:50 service that used to arrive into Pearse at 08:45 by 10 minutes. The new arrival time is 08:55 means people who start work at 9:00 are now having to get an earlier train causing increased loading.
- Holding the Maynooth commuter back for the infamously late Sligo train.
- Increased traffic through Connolly from Dart / Northern Commuter means idling outside Connolly waiting for a platform to clear

And this is all before the usual delays from wet leaves! There just doesn't seem to be enough capacity and once anything goes wrong it all falls to pieces.

LeinsterDub · 14-09-2018 1:34pm

FitzElla wrote: »

Holding the Maynooth commuter back for the infamously late Sligo train.

If as it appears to be the case DU is at least 10 years away before even starting.We are realistically going to have to do a "Train Connects" project. Dart Expansion, 8 carriage trains on all services with a different seat configuration. Those on IC trains are going to have to transfer the capacity simply isn't available.

LEIN · 14-09-2018 1:58pm

https://twitter.com/IrishRail/status/1040584996581507072?s=19

PCros · 14-09-2018 2:04pm

Portmarnock will have two additional services from next Monday.
-07:29 Portmarnock Pearse
-07:42 Portmarnock Bray

Clongriffin will have the following extra service:
-07:45 Clongriffin Bray

http://www.irishrail.ie/news/timetab...tomer-feedback

I'm surprised they actually listened but its great news.

LeinsterDub · 14-09-2018 2:09pm

Is there a reason commuter trains don't just stop at all stations ? Are they able to pass slower Darts on the Northern line?

CatInABox · 14-09-2018 2:19pm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Is there a reason commuter trains don't just stop at all stations ? Are they able to pass slower Darts on the Northern line?

I believe that they take longer to stop and longer to start, due to them not being electric.

They're only able to pass Darts at specific points on the line, at Clongriffin is the only one I know of.

Well done on Irish Rail doing the right thing, even if they could have/should have foreseen it.

Decuc500 · 14-09-2018 2:32pm

Surely the 07:42 Portmarnock to Bray is the same dart as the 07:45 Clongriffen to Bray?

Where are they getting the extra carriages from?!

PCros · 14-09-2018 2:34pm

Decuc500 wrote: »

Surely the 07:42 Portmarnock to Bray is the same dart as the 07:45 Clongriffen to Bray?

Where are they getting the extra carriages from?!

I wonder is it actually originating at Malahide at say 07:38?

Each morning I've passed Fairview there has been loads of carriages sitting there.

*Edit: according to Twitter they are saying the 07:45 will originate at Clongriffin...how will that work? Will they not be on top of each other?

n97 mini · 14-09-2018 2:37pm

PCros wrote: »

Portmarnock will have two additional services from next Monday.
-07:29 Portmarnock Pearse
-07:42 Portmarnock Bray

Clongriffin will have the following extra service:
-07:45 Clongriffin Bray

http://www.irishrail.ie/news/timetab...tomer-feedback

I'm surprised they actually listened but its great news.

I would have thought the obvious solution would be to stop a few diesels at Portmarnock aswell instead of just Malahide. This solution doesn't help anyone travelling north from Portmarnock who now have something like a 40 minute wait for a connecting train in Malahide where they had a direct service before.

Decuc500 · 14-09-2018 2:41pm

PCros wrote: »

*Edit: according to Twitter they are saying the 07:45 will originate at Clongriffin...how will that work? Will they not be on top of each other?

One minute between darts. Doesn't sound right.

PCros · 14-09-2018 2:43pm

Decuc500 wrote: »

One minute between darts. Doesn't sound right.

Unless the 07:42 is a diesel for Portmarnock and the 07:45 will be a Dart parked up off the main line at Clongriffin?

LeinsterDub · 14-09-2018 2:44pm

CatInABox wrote: »

I believe that they take longer to stop and longer to start, due to them not being electric.

They're only able to pass Darts at specific points on the line, at Clongriffin is the only one I know of.

Well done on Irish Rail doing the right thing, even if they could have/should have foreseen it.

Would stopping at all stops result in the next dart catch up with it ?

goingnowhere · 14-09-2018 2:46pm

-07:29 Portmarnock Pearse (0645 from Drogheda)
-07:42 Portmarnock Bray (0630 from Dundalk)

Clongriffin will have the following extra service:
-07:45 Clongriffin Bray (0630 from Dundalk)

PCros · 14-09-2018 2:47pm

I just see they've corrected themselves on Twitter!

thomasj · 14-09-2018 2:49pm

Irish rail have confirmed on Twitter that it's the 06.30 Dundalk bray service that will stop at portmarnock and clongriffin

devnull · 14-09-2018 3:23pm

PCros wrote: »

Unless the 07:42 is a diesel for Portmarnock and the 07:45 will be a Dart parked up off the main line at Clongriffin?

They're not additional services, they are existing services having extra stops added.

ixoy · 14-09-2018 3:30pm

Would that have solved yesterday's problems? The issues were with trains leaving after eight.

Mousewar · 14-09-2018 5:16pm

I literally have no idea what's going on with this new schedule. Heading home around five from pearse st - I've looked at the new timetable again and again and the times don't match anything that's actaully happening. Just waited 15 mins and a little four carriage dart shows up completely packed.

Cloudio9 · 14-09-2018 5:52pm

Rush hour Malahide Dart now pulled into clongriffin for a 5 min wait to let Drogheda train pass. Why the Fock is it not scheduled to follow a Howth train!!

Grolschevik · 14-09-2018 6:19pm

Northbound 18.14 Dart from Connolly to Malahide delayed by 10. "'Technical problems on train".

Another announcement just there that the Maynooth train delayed by 10 because of the "late arrival of another train".

Grolschevik · 14-09-2018 6:24pm

Grolschevik wrote: »

Northbound 18.14 Dart from Connolly to Malahide delayed by 10. "'Technical problems on train".

Another announcement just there that the Maynooth train delayed by 10 because of the "late arrival of another train".

Malahide one now delayed by 15 (more? Dunno).

Every northbound train now delayed because of knock-on effects.

Driving on Monday.

Grolschevik · 14-09-2018 6:31pm

Grolschevik wrote: »

Malahide one now delayed by 15 (more? Dunno).

Every northbound train now delayed because of knock-on effects.

Driving on Monday.

It's here now. People couldn't get on the first few carriages, even to stand. Luckily a reasonably unpacked carriage stopped right in front of me. Even got a seat...

"Train failure at Bray".

Deviso · 14-09-2018 6:37pm

18:31 from Tara Street to Malahide replaced by a Howth train?

Infini · 14-09-2018 7:43pm

Grolschevik wrote: »

Malahide one now delayed by 15 (more? Dunno).

Every northbound train now delayed because of knock-on effects.

Driving on Monday.

Train's fail. Happen's of course but this is what happen when the whole system is pushed hard all day every day.

As for driving, up to yourself but traffic SUCKS. -.-

Working class heroes · 14-09-2018 7:45pm

http://www.irishrail.ie/news/timetable-alternations-portmarnock-clongriffin

bkrangle · 14-09-2018 7:56pm

Working class heroes wrote: »

http://www.irishrail.ie/news/timetable-alternations-portmarnock-clongriffin

No Timetable available online now for the Howth line from the 17th and other timetables are acting a bit strange.
Probably a few updates being made

Klonker · 14-09-2018 8:46pm

I still don't think these extra stops from the commuter trains at Portmarnock and Clongriffin will be enough. It might just about be enough at the moment but both area's populations are growing rapidly.

Clongriffin should also be getting as many stops as Portmarnock. I seen some politician stating before that showed that Clongriffin actually had the more passengers of the two stops (dont know where he got this info) when he was trying to increase the trains stopping at the station.

devnull · 14-09-2018 8:50pm

Klonker wrote: »

I still don't think these extra stops from the commuter trains at Portmarnock and Clongriffin will be enough. It might just about be enough at the moment but both area's populations are growing rapidly.

Clongriffin should also be getting as many stops as Portmarnock. I seen some politician stating before that showed that Clongriffin actually had the more passengers of the two stops (dont know where he got this info) when he was trying to increase the trains stopping at the station.

Clongriffin now has more morning peak trains than before the timetable change last week as the DART changes add one train an hour extra and almost all commuters didn't stop there previously.

Klonker · 14-09-2018 9:11pm

devnull wrote: »

Clongriffin now has more morning peak trains than before the timetable change last week as the DART changes add one train an hour extra and almost all commuters didn't stop there previously.

Old timetable from 7.35 - 8.35 stops at Clongriffin: 7.37, 7.47, 7.59 (commuter),8.14, 8.32

That's what I'd call peak peak time, arriving in city centre between 8-9am. That's hardly the two darts an hour you're suggesting it is.

I can't pull up the new timetable now because the app is wonky at the moment but I'd be pretty sure darts arriving in city centre 8-9am is down at least one.

My point was that even restoring Clongriffin's frequency actually isn't enough and an increase was needed anyway, new timetable or not. And with the all the development happening in the area (and Portmarnock) they will need it even more in future.

Evenings don't seem too bad to me to be honest, at least they evened out the crazy ratio of Howth over Malahide darts.

devnull · 14-09-2018 9:39pm

Klonker wrote: »

Old timetable from 7.35 - 8.35 stops at Clongriffin: 7.37, 7.47, 7.59 (commuter),8.14, 8.32

That's what I'd call peak peak time, arriving in city centre between 8-9am. That's hardly the two darts an hour you're suggesting it is.

It really depends what you call peak, but having trains at 6.26, 6.46, 7.06, 7.26 is a big improvement over the old 6.37, 7.07, 7.37 in the early morning, both because of the earlier first train and the increased frequency.

Evenings don't seem too bad to me to be honest, at least they evened out the crazy ratio of Howth over Malahide darts.

Biggest bugbear of mine was the amount of Howth DARTs and also the fact there was a 40 minute gap in the timetable of Malahide DARTS in the evening which led to a severe overcrowding on the train before and after the gap whilst Howths were much more lightly loaded.

goingnowhere · 14-09-2018 10:01pm

Klonker wrote: »

I still don't think these extra stops from the commuter trains at Portmarnock and Clongriffin will be enough. It might just about be enough at the moment but both area's populations are growing rapidly.

Clongriffin should also be getting as many stops as Portmarnock. I seen some politician stating before that showed that Clongriffin actually had the more passengers of the two stops (dont know where he got this info) when he was trying to increase the trains stopping at the station.

Portmarnock is significantly busier than Clongriffin, about 30% more passengers daily

Del.Monte · 14-09-2018 10:34pm

I'm so happy I no longer in the Greater Dublin Area - piss up and brewery come to mind. Enjoy your commuting.

Klonker · 14-09-2018 10:59pm

goingnowhere wrote: »

Klonker wrote: »

I still don't think these extra stops from the commuter trains at Portmarnock and Clongriffin will be enough. It might just about be enough at the moment but both area's populations are growing rapidly.

Clongriffin should also be getting as many stops as Portmarnock. I seen some politician stating before that showed that Clongriffin actually had the more passengers of the two stops (dont know where he got this info) when he was trying to increase the trains stopping at the station.

Portmarnock is significantly busier than Clongriffin, about 30% more passengers daily

Where do you get figures like these?

goingnowhere · 14-09-2018 11:25pm

NTA annual passenger survey
1296 vs 1981
Malahide is 3324 by comparison

Decuc500 · 14-09-2018 11:52pm

devnull wrote: »

Biggest bugbear of mine was the amount of Howth DARTs and also the fact there was a 40 minute gap in the timetable of Malahide DARTS in the evening which led to a severe overcrowding on the train before and after the gap whilst Howths were much more lightly loaded.

Well then you must be delighted to know that all these short darts to and from Howth are now as hopelessly overcrowded as the Malahide line darts and nobody wins and everybody's fed up.

Mullaghteelin · 15-09-2018 3:23am

devnull wrote: »

Also working out where the entrances are to the busiest few stations, and then standing at your station in the opposite end of the train, will help you get a seat, I can't believe how many people don't recognise this.

For example, if you're waiting at Connolly for a Northbound train the very best place to wait is the end nearest the stairway at the back of the train (Yes, I know it sounds stupid because there will be more people waiting there) since at Pearse and Tara Street people are generally lazy and get on nearest the front of the train, because that end is closest to the entrances.

Regular commuters often choose the spot they stand on the platform to be near the best spot to exit the train at their destination. To beat queues getting out of the station, and traffic or whatever.
This is most obvious in Pearse, with a particular crowd all determined to get on the Drogheda train at a very specific spot. lots passengers from Balbriggan like to get on about one third of the way from the front, which helps to beat the queue when they get off.
For instance, as soon as the Skerries passengers get off the Drogheda train, there is mad dash through the train by Balbriggan passengers for the ideal door. Queues form at best door before the train even pulls out of Skerries, with still another 5 mins to go.

Trampas · 15-09-2018 5:09am

Is part of the problem tailgating through barriers by annual pass people?

If people don’t scan their tickets then ir have no idea where people are going to and from and at what time

pm1977x · 15-09-2018 9:52am

Decuc500 wrote: »

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When my 4 car morning dart that was at crush capacity after the Killester debacle got to Pearse this morning a longer dart arrived from the southside that had lots of room on it before anybody got off.

So if you ask me (putting my northside bias aside) I would say that the available sets are being managed very poorly.

I travel from the Southside every morning. By Dun Laoghaire it's filling up, by Blackrock it's nearly full, gets a bit jammed after that but rarely the 'will you move down the carriage' shout-provoking conditions that I used to see on busier Northside Darts.

That said, the last week it felt jammed enough and could have used more carriages on the shorter trains, you have to keep in mind that these all start to empty at Lansdowne Rd, then a vast number get off at Grand Canal Dock, another load at Pearse and then by the time it's pulling out of Tara it's 1/4 full.

bk · 15-09-2018 8:55pm

Trampas wrote: »

Is part of the problem tailgating through barriers by annual pass people?

If people don’t scan their tickets then ir have no idea where people are going to and from and at what time

The above mentioned annual heavy rail census is carried out by having staff at every station and they count the number of people boarding and alighting from the trains on that day. Thus it would capture all passengers, including annual pass holders and even fare dodgers, etc.

Now that in itself wouldn't necessarily tell you where the passengers who get on at a particular station are then getting off, but if you were to combine the above data with a sample of leap card data, you could model a very accurate picture of the travel patterns.

Klonker · 17-09-2018 2:13pm

I have to say I found it much better this morning coming into city centre from northside. I got the 7.56 (7.51 Malahide) dart from Clongriffin and some people actually managed to get a seat at this stop which I haven't seen happening in months for a dart at this time of the money.

A lot of people got on from Howth Junction to town but at least now they are getting onto a half empty dart rather than an already almost full one.

From the small sample of just this morning I think the new timetable with it's adjustments this week will work out better than the old timetable. Hopefully that continues to be the way and this morning wasn't just a once off.

ThunbergsAreGo · 17-09-2018 2:56pm

Klonker wrote: »

I have to say I found it much better this morning coming into city centre from northside. I got the 7.56 (7.51 Malahide) dart from Clongriffin and some people actually managed to get a seat at this stop which I haven't seen happening in months for a dart at this time of the money.

A lot of people got on from Howth Junction to town but at least now they are getting onto a half empty dart rather than an already almost full one.

From the small sample of just this morning I think the new timetable with it's adjustments this week will work out better than the old timetable. Hopefully that continues to be the way and this morning wasn't just a once off.

Strangely, the train I got (8.14 from Donabate) was much much busier this morning than usual and some carriages looked like a squash to get on.

Still manageable

Decuc500 · 17-09-2018 3:20pm

Klonker wrote: »

I have to say I found it much better this morning coming into city centre from northside. I got the 7.56 (7.51 Malahide) dart from Clongriffin and some people actually managed to get a seat at this stop which I haven't seen happening in months for a dart at this time of the money.

A lot of people got on from Howth Junction to town but at least now they are getting onto a half empty dart rather than an already almost full one.

From the small sample of just this morning I think the new timetable with it's adjustments this week will work out better than the old timetable. Hopefully that continues to be the way and this morning wasn't just a once off.

That would be the benefit of the commuter stopping at Clongriffen in between Darts. The commuters stopping just means that two Darts this morning wouldn't have been as busy as last week.

If you have a look at twitter from this morning, there's still lots of 4 carriage darts in rush hour causing crush load capacity and people are still struggling even to get on trains at Killester.

The new timetable relying on short rush hour darts can never work.

Conchir · 17-09-2018 4:40pm

This time on the 08:41 from Howth was by far the busiest of the 4 I've gotten. Is it likely that these trains in the mornings are staying as 4 carriages? I want to like this timetable and see it work well, because I think 10 minute frequency is great.

ixoy · 17-09-2018 4:53pm

Surely, since the issues seem to be overwhelmingly on the Northside, they need to run some longer ones there even if it means taking one from the southside? We don't know if they could cope but we do know that the Northside can't cope. Killester, where I am, seems to be suffering the worst after eight.

Jamie2k9 · 17-09-2018 9:26pm

Was on the 05.40 ex Sligo this morning and had to wait 7 minutes to get a clear path into P4 in Connolly. Thew new 08.00 ex Maynooth is the biggest f up in the timetable. Needs to be 5-10 mins earlier.

thomasj · 17-09-2018 9:44pm

Jamie2k9 wrote:

Was on the 05.40 ex Sligo this morning and had to wait 7 minutes to get a clear path into P4 in Connolly. Thew new 08.00 ex Maynooth is the biggest f up in the timetable. Needs to be 5-10 mins earlier.

I agree with that as do most passengers id say on the Maynooth line , it's too late for most people and it's causing cramming conditions on the earlier service ex Maynooth as a result .

It's not helping that Irish rail are holding it until the Sligo train departs Maynooth and as a result is delaying it further. It should be leaving Maynooth ahead of the Sligo train.

Deviso · 17-09-2018 10:58pm

ixoy wrote: »

Surely, since the issues seem to be overwhelmingly on the Northside, they need to run some longer ones there even if it means taking one from the southside? We don't know if they could cope but we do know that the Northside can't cope. Killester, where I am, seems to be suffering the worst after eight.

Killester is probably the worst, people can't get on. At least by Clontarf a lot of people start to get off.

n97 mini · 17-09-2018 11:34pm

thomasj wrote: »

I agree with that as do most passengers id say on the Maynooth line , it's too late for most people and it's causing cramming conditions on the earlier service ex Maynooth as a result .

It's not helping that Irish rail are holding it until the Sligo train departs Maynooth and as a result is delaying it further. It should be leaving Maynooth ahead of the Sligo train.

On Twitter Irish Rail said no planned changes to Maynooth timetable, i.e. "suck it up princess". Meanwhile Malahide and southside DARTs are the big winners at everyone else's expense.

Cloudio9 · 17-09-2018 11:45pm

n97 mini wrote: »

On Twitter Irish Rail said no planned changes to Maynooth timetable, i.e. "suck it up princess". Meanwhile Malahide and southside DARTs are the big winners at everyone else's expense.

Don’t think anyone getting Malahide darts is feeling like a winner. The new timetable is worse in terms of crowding and not being anywhere close to the timetable journey times.

Irish Rail September Timetable Changes

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