Gangland Shootings [Mod Note in Post #1]

the sheriff is HERE · 22-01-2018 12:03am

Odhinn wrote: »

That accurately describes most "big" criminals.

He is pure old school apparently, helps where he can, got young guys debts called off even wiped or paid himself, apparently staunchly anti drug sale and use.

Odhinn · 22-01-2018 12:08am

the sheriff is HERE wrote: »

He is pure old school apparently,..........

If you knew what "old school" actually entailed, you wouldn't be writing that as a compliment. I'd suggest taking up fiction writing. Jesus knows paul williams made enough off of it.

Pintman Paddy Losty · 22-01-2018 12:14am

Rumpy Pumpy wrote: »

I’m not very au fait with these crime figures, but had heard that he was an up-and-coming figure in the Dublin underworld. Came from a really solid middle class family, but fell in with the wrong crowd. Meant to be very violent when he was off his head on moon biscuits. Surely the costa del crime isn’t the best place for him if he’s fallen foul of the K-Crew? Is that not their base of operations?

Yeah, that's right. Beanso was an diamond bloke as a young fella. Was actually a talented kid, good footballer and was close to making the Dublin minor team. Coulda had a swell life if things hadda turned out different.

He got in with a group of bad hombres. Before you knew the kid was hooked on the devils dandruff. Ended up in the big house after taking the rap for one of the gunsels higher up the chain cause he wasn't no stool pigeon.

People on the streets say he's gone to the costa, but that's not literal. It's a metaphor for laying low. Catch my drift?

the sheriff is HERE · 22-01-2018 12:22am

Odhinn wrote: »

If you knew what "old school" actually entailed, you wouldn't be writing that as a compliment. I'd suggest taking up fiction writing. Jesus knows paul williams made enough off of it.

old school,
having or adhering to old-fashioned values or ways.

he robbed banks, he was doing the public a service, before we knew we needed,the monks services, a visionary so to speak, ahaha.

where is the best place for my fiction writing, and how do i monetize my stories for maximum profit?

Rumpy Pumpy · 22-01-2018 12:27am

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Yeah, that's right. Beanso was an diamond bloke as a young fella. Was actually a talented kid, good footballer and was close to making the Dublin minor team. Coulda had a swell life if things hadda turned out different.

He got in with a group of bad hombres. Before you knew the kid was hooked on the devils dandruff. Ended up in the big house after taking the rap for one of the gunsels higher up the chain cause he wasn't no stool pigeon.

People on the streets say he's gone to the costa, but that's not literal. It's a metaphor for laying low. Catch my drift?

That’s a shame. Lot of these guys are former street urchins who had 6 stints in the slammer by the time they could buy a rummy a drink in the local speakeasy. The street crews anyway. Beans mustn’t be any regular pilchard.

Anyways, it’s about time the Sweeney start playing hard ball with the K-Crew and their associates.

the sheriff is HERE · 22-01-2018 12:28am

also wasnt daniel great friends with derek coakley dad, before the dad died?

i can name but im trying to stay within boards T&CS.

Gadgetman496 · 22-01-2018 12:31am

the sheriff is HERE wrote: »

hit one in the arm, two in the head, from a shotgun, a 3 shot shotgun, or reloaded? they usually use automatic pistols, is there a automatic shotgun available?

http://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/beginners-guide-shotguns/

the sheriff is HERE · 22-01-2018 12:52am

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on the golf 1.9, the car dealer should be fined big, if not fully investigated or probably is already and lose their business.

the avensis is probably a made up name, but i hope not.

hatrickpatrick · 22-01-2018 1:27am

Omackeral wrote: »

Why would you actively support them though. They're a drain on society. Why not just take an interest?

To be fair, a lot of people believe that whoever fires the first unprovoked shot in a dispute is automatically the worse of the two regardless of what comes after. To people who believe that, the fact that the first victim of this feud was a Hutch killed by the Kinahans for something he apparently didn't actually do, means that the Kinahans are automatically the bigger bad guys here and the Hutches are the more righteous of the two (in that context, given that their hit on the Regency was motivated by vengeance for their relative and not simply unprovoked, senseless violence).

It's not PC and it goes against what most Irish people are taught about vengeance, forgiveness, two wrongs don't make a right etc, but I think on a fundamental level a lot of people still believe this to at least some extent. As a kid, if someone is caught fighting with their sibling their instinctive justification is "but he hit me first". On some level, a lot of people regard whoever starts a fight as the person more deserving of getting their ass kicked in it.

Most people I know who aren't from either of the areas involved would tend to sympathise more with the Hutches for this reason - because if the media narrative is true (and one of the reasons I hesitate to form an opinion on which side is worse than the other is because I have a huge mistrust of the media's accuracy in reporting these feuds), then the Kinahans started the war by killing a Hutch for no reason at all, and therefore the Regency hit was just desserts for them.

Personally, I don't know anyone involved and I have years of first hand experience of how the media distorts reality, so I'm not inclined to assume anything at all is true about this conflict - hence my post a few pages ago about the deceased David Byrne's avengers being more their own crew with their own resources and agenda, than simply "people who take orders from the Kinahans" as the media portray them.

the sheriff is HERE · 22-01-2018 1:39am

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

To be fair, a lot of people believe that whoever fires the first unprovoked shot in a dispute is automatically the worse of the two regardless of what comes after. To people who believe that, the fact that the first victim of this feud was a Hutch killed by the Kinahans for something he apparently didn't actually do, means that the Kinahans are automatically the bigger bad guys here and the Hutches are the more righteous of the two (in that context, given that their hit on the Regency was motivated by vengeance for their relative and not simply unprovoked, senseless violence).

It's not PC and it goes against what most Irish people are taught about vengeance, forgiveness, two wrongs don't make a right etc, but I think on a fundamental level a lot of people still believe this to at least some extent. As a kid, if someone is caught fighting with their sibling their instinctive justification is "but he hit me first". On some level, a lot of people regard whoever starts a fight as the person more deserving of getting their ass kicked in it.

Most people I know who aren't from either of the areas involved would tend to sympathise more with the Hutches for this reason - because if the media narrative is true (and one of the reasons I hesitate to form an opinion on which side is worse than the other is because I have a huge mistrust of the media's accuracy in reporting these feuds), then the Kinahans started the war by killing a Hutch for no reason at all, and therefore the Regency hit was just desserts for them.

Personally, I don't know anyone involved and I have years of first hand experience of how the media distorts reality, so I'm not inclined to assume anything at all is true about this conflict - hence my post a few pages ago about the deceased David Byrne's avengers being more their own crew with their own resources and agenda, than simply "people who take orders from the Kinahans" as the media portray them.

2009 Stephen's green robbery money invested with Daniel, never paid back, robbed by north inner city criminal grouping.

2 August 2014 jamie moore shot in spain, mik koks bmw x5 used, Spain police informed daniel of car used, which they had access to while mik was away.

15 August 2014 a person was brought to hospital, with wounds to legs,(cant name currently on trial)

gary hutch killed 24 September 2015 after a deal was struck.

edit, i changed August 2015 to August 2014, my bad.

hatrickpatrick · 22-01-2018 6:31am

the sheriff is HERE wrote: »

2009 Stephen's green robbery money invested with Daniel, never paid back, robbed by north inner city criminal grouping.

2 August 2015 jamie moore shot in spain, mik koks bmw x5 used, Spain police informed daniel of car used, which they had access to while mik was away.

15 August 2015 a person was brought to hospital, with wounds to legs,(cant name currently on trial)

gary hutch killed 24 September 2015 after a deal was struck.

Were the earlier incidents connected to the current feud? I'm pretty bad with keeping track of the names of everyone involved, especially since the press seem to muddy the waters so much in order to make it look like a binary "one side vs the other" kind of thing. But my point is, because of the media (whether this is true or not I don't know), the perception among a lot of people is that the Kinahans started it by killing Gary Hutch, and that the Regency attack, as horrific as it was, being vengeance for the earlier attack made the Kinahans ultimately responsible for it and the bloodshed which follows.

Again not a viewpoint I'd share because I'm pretty sure the media is oversimplifying something far more complex than "one family vs the other", but your average random newspaper reader with no connection to anyone "in the know" is more likely in my experience to regard the Kinahan faction as the unprovoked aggressors and the Hutch faction as the aggrieved victims hellbent for revenge. That's just the way it is when there's rampant media speculation and very little official word other than whatever sells papers in the morning.

It's basically an expanded version of the "if he threw the first punch, I've no sympathy that he got the sh!te kicked out of him" attitude to stories about drunken fights outside pubs at the weekends. People have a tendency to pick sides in news stories and people also have a tendency to try to identify the person who started the fight - even if the person who punched back did more damage. Hell, there were similar comments over the Club Annabelle killing, suggesting that the deceased had been one of the people who started on one of the other lads for no reason and thus somehow "had it coming" when the other guy's friends all jumped on him and ultimately kicked him to death. Not pleasant, but that's how a lot of people think.

glenfieldman · 22-01-2018 11:07am

humberklog wrote: »

I know we laugh at the monikers given to the criminals but Mr. Big (won't say real name here) on the Northside is and had been for years feeding drugs into N.C.Dublin up to Louth, Meath, Monaghan and Cavan is supplying a lot more than 0.01% of drugs into Ireland and his supply has been shown in the past to be not dependent on the cartel.

As for you supporting the Hutch side of the gang in this campaign it doesn't make sense to think othat it's the Monk and his gang versus the Kinehan Cartel. His family members were involved with the cartel until it went pear shaped.
The extended Hutch family and friends were part of the cartel for years.

Mr J Gill ?

glenfieldman · 22-01-2018 11:12am

the sheriff is HERE wrote: »

you'd be amazed what a keen car spotter can pick up, from, specs, trim, wheels, hatch, estate or saloon.

hit one in the arm, two in the head, from a shotgun, a 3 shot shotgun, or reloaded? they usually use automatic pistols, is there a automatic shotgun available?

Knackers or pykys use shoot guns

glenfieldman · 22-01-2018 11:14am

the sheriff is HERE wrote: »

He is pure old school apparently, helps where he can, got young guys debts called off even wiped or paid himself, apparently staunchly anti drug sale and use.

Ha
Didn’t bring his kids up that way

ancapailldorcha · 22-01-2018 11:24am

glenfieldman wrote: »

Knackers or pykys use shoot guns

glenfieldman wrote: »

Ha
Didn’t bring his kids up that way

Banned.

the sheriff is HERE · 22-01-2018 11:27am

glenfieldman wrote: »

Ha
Didn’t bring his kids up that way

This wasnt travellers, FFS.

what about gilla?
so you are saying the monks children are criminals?

from all my inquiries they are peaceful law abiding people

Fr_Dougal · 22-01-2018 11:39am

the sheriff is HERE wrote: »

This wasnt travellers, FFS.

what about gilla?
so you are saying the monks children are criminals?

from all my inquiries they are peaceful law abiding people

What’s your interest in all of this? You sound like a journalist.

the sheriff is HERE · 22-01-2018 11:49am

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

What’s your interest in all of this? You sound like a journalist.

thanks again for the compliment, i can assure you im not a journalist, anyone what to give me a job writing crime stories for them? ha

i grew up in a high crime area, was groomed by a gang as a teen and used for their benifit, seen, shootings, death, lives destroyed by addiction, double crosses, and its worse now than when i grew up, even in the area i grew up.

soiseztomabel · 22-01-2018 12:10pm

anewme wrote: »

What’s with the “a new me “ comment.

Would you be trying to make little of me?

Is that supposed to be a dig..?

Do you not accept the word of people living in areas as how life goes on.?

I’ve had 48 years of it, 26 of this supporting the local community against ignorance and working towards better for myself. I dont need your blessing.

Common sense answers, support and education is needed, not small minded belittling and condescending Bull****.

You are supposed to be a moderator. What part of impartial do you not understand.

Dont even consider looking down on me or sneering.

You don’t know anything about me or how life goes on daily in areas like these. When people speak up you try to sneer.

You are not superior to me, dont pretend to be.

U OK HUN?

weldoninhio · 22-01-2018 12:13pm

the sheriff is HERE wrote: »

thanks again for the compliment, i can assure you im not a journalist, anyone what to give me a job writing crime stories for them? ha

i grew up in a high crime area, was groomed by a gang as a teen and used for their benifit, seen, shootings, death, lives destroyed by addiction, double crosses, and its worse now than when i grew up, even in the area i grew up.

You seem to know quite a bit about Dublin gangland for someone not from Dublin.

cursai · 22-01-2018 12:13pm

CeilingFly wrote: »

In other news, rumour has it that a person who committed a robbery at a spar in clontarf will not commit any further criminal acts ever

https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/derek-hutch-given-suspended-sentence-for-hold-up-with-imitation-firearm-36307553.html

That's good news.

the sheriff is HERE · 22-01-2018 12:27pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

You seem to know quite a bit about Dublin gangland for someone not from Dublin.

i get more information from ye (people) than anywhere else, i was here for the big thread, all the small ones, it's a interest i have, with no payment need,

the big thread made me relapse into drugs again(my own fault) i got too deep into with, with liveleak videos and the facebook profiles put up at the time blew my head too much information.

that's is most of my reasons for having such an interest, without being paid.

the sheriff is HERE · 22-01-2018 8:23pm

And the gardai are off kicking in doors, fair play

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/man-20-arrested-after-garda-seize-loaded-firearm-in-raid-36518134.html

Gardaí from the Garda National Drugs and Organised Crime Bureau arrested a 20-year-old man man in connection with the gun seizure in the Balgaddy area of Lucan, County Dublin.

During the raid, a loaded "PM -63 RAK" sub machine gun with an additional clip of ammunition was recovered.

just shows Kinahans will use anyone.

Berserker · 22-01-2018 9:14pm

Mucky_Tackies wrote: »

"Depends where he was shot"

Ronanstown

I was talking about the part of the body not the geographical location.

Mucky_Tackies · 22-01-2018 10:09pm

I know bud, was only hopping the ball

steve-collins · 23-01-2018 9:32am

Who was the graffiti written about .

the sheriff is HERE · 23-01-2018 11:52am

steve-collins wrote: »

Who was the graffiti written about .

padraig o reilly (crime photo journalist) has a picture up on twitter , also 70 conviction typed into google, looks right by padraigs photo.

happy hunting!

Gadgetman496 · 23-01-2018 12:41pm

the sheriff is HERE wrote: »

padraig o reilly (crime photo journalist) has a picture up on twitter , also 70 conviction typed into google, looks right by padraigs photo.

happy hunting!

Plot thickens..

the sheriff is HERE · 23-01-2018 1:23pm

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

Plot thickens..

A female is apperantly leading the 'revenge' with liam and daniel, CAB sezied assets, which liam and co and 'HER' tried to contest.

Gadgetman496 · 23-01-2018 1:29pm

the sheriff is HERE wrote: »

A female is apperantly leading the 'revenge' with liam and daniel, CAB sezied assets, which liam and co and 'HER' tried to contest.

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned :eek:

Mutant z · 23-01-2018 1:33pm

Who cares about criminals killing each other let them at it i say.

the sheriff is HERE · 23-01-2018 1:35pm

Is there any irish crime reporters here on this thread?

The reason i ask, is because, i seen a article, about both cars being from a small car dealership, after obviously it was posted here, anyone know the dealership?

the sheriff is HERE · 23-01-2018 1:37pm

Mutant z wrote: »

Who cares about criminals killing each other let them at it i say.

I do, because of innocent people being caught up in this, and OUR tax payer money is paying for gardai overtime.

Boom_Bap · 24-01-2018 1:13pm

Can I please ask that you refrain from posting speculative comments here about people who might be involved. I've had to delete a couple of posts on this.

the sheriff is HERE · 24-01-2018 1:21pm

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Can I please ask that you refrain from posting speculative comments here about people who might be involved. I've had to delete a couple of posts on this.

i was wondering where my posts went, its in the press, i can go get it for you if you like.

but all the same thanks for the heads up.

I'd also like to add, i kept my posts within boards T&Cs and it isnt speculation.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 24-01-2018 2:46pm

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Unless there's an innocent involved it makes no odds to me.

^^^

This.. A good friend of mine was an innocent man, murdered by these scum while on a family holiday in Spain. In front of his partner and children.

Other than that let 'em off at each other. Couldn't give a tup'pennys fvck about scum murdering scum.

BillyBobBS · 24-01-2018 3:04pm

I laugh out loud when i read about these scumbags killing each other. These parasites prey on families and communities country wide but i just want to make it clear that i have no sympathy when the scumbags who buy their cocaine and other assorted drugs from them die also.

Well known entertainment personalities who have died from cocaine overuse who where only to happy to preach about the "scumbag" drug dealers themselves on our national airwaves and look down on whole communities because the people living there aren't lucky enough to be born with a silver spoon in their mouths are as responsible as the dealers.

Every single person who is prepared to snort coke be it at dinner parties in D4, a city centre nightclub or a Finglas house party you have blood on your hands. You are the scumbags.

the sheriff is HERE · 24-01-2018 4:15pm

BillyBobBS wrote: »

I laugh out loud when i read about these scumbags killing each other. These parasites prey on families and communities country wide but i just want to make it clear that i have no sympathy when the scumbags who buy their cocaine and other assorted drugs from them die also.

Well known entertainment personalities who have died from cocaine overuse who where only to happy to preach about the "scumbag" drug dealers themselves on our national airwaves and look down on whole communities because the people living there aren't lucky enough to be born with a silver spoon in their mouths are as responsible as the dealers.

Every single person who is prepared to snort coke be it at dinner parties in D4, a city centre nightclub or a Finglas house party you have blood on your hands. You are the scumbags.

that post is a crock of sh!te, the celebrity and upper class dont get charged like a person lets say from D22

the sheriff is HERE · 24-01-2018 4:16pm

Rory Straight Jumpsuit wrote: »

^^^

This.. A good friend of mine was an innocent man, murdered by these scum while on a family holiday in Spain. In front of his partner and children.

Other than that let 'em off at each other. Couldn't give a tup'pennys fvck about scum murdering scum.

the guy who got killed, only because of his name.

Roger Hassenforder · 24-01-2018 4:51pm

the sheriff is HERE wrote: »

that post is a crock of sh!te, the celebrity and upper class dont get charged like a person lets say from D22

Its a perfectly valid post. Anyone taking these drugs is effectively enabling these fcukers by providing a market to be supplied.

the sheriff is HERE · 24-01-2018 4:59pm

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Its a perfectly valid post. Anyone taking these drugs is effectively enabling these fcukers by providing a market to be supplied.

what are you posting from, a desktop, laptop, tablet, phone, do you now how modern screens are made or who financially benifits?

the poor innocent kids mining the minerals and paid nothing for our convenience.

the guy who was killed, only because of his name, he wasn't involved in regancy or gangbanging

drugs are hear to stay be blind and dont accept that or give proper regulated quality drugs and stop the kinahans,pharmaceutical drugs are way worse than any illegal drug.

Odyssey 2005 · 24-01-2018 5:10pm

the sheriff is HERE wrote: »

the guy who got killed, only because of his name.

Hardly an innocent bystander. This is from the independent the other day.

Nathan Hutch (24) is understood to have “gone mental” following the brutal execution of brother Derek (27), who was blasted a number of times in the head and body, the Herald is reporting.

Senior investigators say Derek Hutch drove to the halting site with his two associates to throw a parcel of drugs over the prison wall. While Derek stayed with the car, his associates made their way to the rear of the site which backs on to the prison.

They then made contact with Nathan Hutch by phone to inform him the drop was taking place. Nathan Hutch is believed to have an illegally held phone in prison.

the sheriff is HERE · 24-01-2018 5:15pm

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

Hardly an innocent bystander. This is from the independent the other day.

Nathan Hutch (24) is understood to have “gone mental” following the brutal execution of brother Derek (27), who was blasted a number of times in the head and body, the Herald is reporting.

Senior investigators say Derek Hutch drove to the halting site with his two associates to throw a parcel of drugs over the prison wall. While Derek stayed with the car, his associates made their way to the rear of the site which backs on to the prison.

They then made contact with Nathan Hutch by phone to inform him the drop was taking place. Nathan Hutch is believed to have an illegally held phone in prison.

he was killed in the white Toyota aygo, the two others were at the wall, doing whatever so he was totally innocent, just because they were delivering whatever that he knew, but that should not matter he was killed simply because of his name.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 24-01-2018 8:11pm

the sheriff is HERE wrote: »

the guy who got killed, only because of his name.

Terry. Dublin Corporation worker (don't want to say the full name because of google searches etc).. His poor partner, children and father Vinny. It tore them all apart.

Such a nice, decent bloke.

the sheriff is HERE · 24-01-2018 8:32pm

Rory Straight Jumpsuit wrote: »

Terry. Dublin Corporation worker (don't want to say the full name because of google searches etc).. His poor partner, children and father Vinny. It tore them all apart.

Such a nice, decent bloke.

i knew who you were on about, i need no names, a horrible crime against a good decent hard working family man, who was nice and obliging to everyone he meet.

i was on about this latest murder, he wasnt a scumbag or gangbanger but certainly did wrong in his life and didnt shy away from it either. this guy was innocent too hes name got him killed.

john_galt · 24-01-2018 8:41pm

The Star referring to the latest killing being in retaliation for a failed hit on an unnamed ''stars brother''

It's a very short list ''stars'' who have brothers in the area

Roger Hassenforder · 24-01-2018 8:57pm

the sheriff is HERE wrote: »

what are you posting from, a desktop, laptop, tablet, phone, do you now how modern screens are made or who financially benifits?

the poor innocent kids mining the minerals and paid nothing for our convenience.

the guy who was killed, only because of his name, he wasn't involved in regancy or gangbanging

drugs are hear to stay be blind and dont accept that or give proper regulated quality drugs and stop the kinahans,pharmaceutical drugs are way worse than any illegal drug.

well if I thought thousands had been murdered in the supply of a "goods or service" to me irrespective of its legality, I'd certainly review whether its morally acceptable to continue consuming that "goods or service".
That the "goods or service" is actually illegal in most countries, and having regard to the history of the creation and supply of that "goods or service", would certainly would have me questioning whether my continued consumption of that "goods or service" renders me in some way morally responsible for these thousands of deaths. But anyway, we're not talking about a "goods or service", we're talking about cocaine.
Where its estimated one person dies in Colombia for every g snorted in UK.

So while you're whatabouting, have you an example of thousands being murdered in the course of supplying my A5? I'd certainly consider an alternative next time I'm getting a phone...

And as you're strawmanning, I'm not referring to the innocent man murdered for having the "wrong" name. The point made, seemingly lost, is whether users of cocaine in Dublin are in anyway responsible for these deaths.

the sheriff is HERE · 24-01-2018 8:59pm

john_galt wrote: »

The Star referring to the latest killing being in retaliation for a failed hit on an unnamed ''stars brother''

It's a very short list ''stars'' who have brothers in the area

i put that up today without mentioning the star or his brother, a mod removed it and i thought i deleted it and put it up again, removed by a mod again with a post about not speculating, i didnt speculate and said id get the article, still no reply to it from the mod.

i do understand that the mod was taking precautions because the 'star' can afford good legal people and it would just cost boards.ie money to defend it, so easier option is to delete

the sheriff is HERE · 24-01-2018 9:08pm

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

The point made, seemingly lost, is whether users of cocaine in Dublin are in anyway responsible for these deaths.

no, they're not, an adult can choose themselves whether they want legal or illegal drugs themselves, as long as they dont cause anyone harm but themselves.

Ireland need to regulate illegal drugs so we can wipe out the kinahans and others.

Roger Hassenforder · 24-01-2018 9:13pm

the sheriff is HERE wrote: »

no, they're not, an adult can choose themselves whether they want legal or illegal drugs themselves, as long as they dont cause anyone harm but themselves.

Ireland need to regulate illegal drugs so we can wipe out the kinahans and others.

thats a different argument, legalising drugs.
(FWIW I agree they should be legalised. And teasing out the "anyone harm but themselves is worthy of another thread.

But:
the point made was, people buying and using cocaine in Dublin are contributing to these deaths; they've blood on their hands. Do you disagree?

Gangland Shootings [Mod Note in Post #1]

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