To Tip or not to Tip - what are the rules?

01-11-2019 2:33pm

hynesie08 wrote: »

Do you get a performance based bonus in work? or a voucher at christmas? a bottle of whiskey from a supplier perhaps?? What's the difference?

DelBoy Trotter wrote: »

Was about to ask the same question!

Absolutely no comparison between a bonus (which I don’t get), or a voucher at Christmas (which I don’t get). These are paid by your employer and are essentially part of your salary/wages the same as if a person in a restaurant received a bonus from their employer.

Getting a bottle of whiskey from a supplier would be closer but still not the same as it’s really just something the supplier would be expensing.

It’s like saying me buying dinner for a client is giving them a tip when I just claim the cost back as a business expense.

Tammy! · 01-11-2019 2:54pm

razorblunt wrote: »

Fock that.

Do the work they're paid for, if you feel they went above and beyond let them have a tip (for the specific examples you gave).

It's not really that far fetched. You wouldn't do it for many things but for certain things if someone was doing a big enough job for you and you plan on tipping them anyway then it's not that out there to tip them before. They'll know you appreciate them and if they do **** up or do a shoddy job, you can still complain.

chrissb8 · 01-11-2019 3:42pm

Tip if the job has been done to a good standard and they have been attentive, caring and in some cases gone that extra bit. I'm not into tipping just for tippings sake.

Don't put your money into the chancers with their jars or stupid baskets with some crap "funny joke" slapped on the front. You get a tip as an unwarranted thank you, you don't get it when you ask for it and assume you're entitled to it by putting out some jar like you're a charity case. You get paid a wage, like all of us, I am not paying you for doing something you are already being paid for.

The biggest annoyance is people falling over themselves to tip a fiver each at a dinner table. Being there for an hour or so as they brought out starters and a main while it was mildly busy. Infact the waiter has just been cleaning cutlery since we've been here. So why the hell does that mean they deserve a 20eu tip? Just this weird irrationality I hate around it.

Hung up on "what will they think if I don't tip?" or "I best contribute something here or they'll think I'm a scab". There are other ways to show your gratitude with a smile and a thank you very much. I couldn't care less if they think less of me for not giving my money.

hynesie08 · 01-11-2019 4:00pm

Terry Eager Yam wrote: »

Absolutely no comparison between a bonus (which I don’t get), or a voucher at Christmas (which I don’t get). These are paid by your employer and are essentially part of your salary/wages the same as if a person in a restaurant received a bonus from their employer.

Getting a bottle of whiskey from a supplier would be closer but still not the same as it’s really just something the supplier would be expensing.

It’s like saying me buying dinner for a client is giving them a tip when I just claim the cost back as a business expense.

Ask anyone who's had their bonus slashed/removed if it's part of their wages.....

So is it the concept of tipping or the source of the money you have an issue with, do you tip when you're expensing the meal.....

whisky_galore · 01-11-2019 4:14pm

Terry Eager Yam wrote: »

Getting a bottle of whiskey from a supplier would be closer but still not the same as it’s really just something the supplier would be expensing.

I would regard that as a thank you for choosing them over a competitor. In terms of the thousands of euro of business you send their way the cost of a bottle is loose change.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 01-11-2019 5:10pm

Terry Eager Yam wrote: »

From my understanding this is no longer true in most cases but of course the idea that it is is still pushed to make people tip more.

Also as I said a lot of the service industry are well paid, bar tenders definitely do yet get tipped heavily for example.

I still tip over there as their ridiculous system would nearly mean you are treated as not paying if you don’t. But outside the US I won’t tip, I’m very strongly against it and have often ended up in arguments out with friends as I will simply not add extra money to the pot for a tip and that sort of thing. It’s an idiotic practice that if everyone stopped doing it the expectation would stop.

No they don’t, I’m in many countries regularly for work which means lots of meals out, taxis etc and there is no tipping nor an expectation for it to happen.

“In most cases” - are you joking? The crappy system is still mostly intact in the US.

Rowing with friends over tipping - christ. I’d be more eager to tip if faced with someone like that, to piss them off..

Tell me how · 01-11-2019 5:19pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

“In most cases” - are you joking? The crappy system is still mostly intact in the US.

Rowing with friends over tipping - christ. I’d be more eager to tip if faced with someone like that, to piss them off..

I'd definitely be in favour of it being abolished completely and for staff to be paid appropriately. Then, if you want to tip, you do so but it shouldn't be deemed as obligatory.

The fake smile and, 'How ARE youuuuu' to elicit tips is painful when you know it is only for that purpose.

My card didn't work in a bar recently and I had no cash, the barman let me leave and go to an ATM, about 10 minute round trip to get cash without any fuss or security. He deserved the tip he got.

BuboBubo · 01-11-2019 5:20pm

I don't tip. Hairdressers and restaurants are expensive enough without adding more to the cost. I never get taxis etc

I've never been to the US.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 01-11-2019 6:15pm

Tell me how wrote: »

I'd definitely be in favour of it being abolished completely and for staff to be paid appropriately. Then, if you want to tip, you do so but it shouldn't be deemed as obligatory.

The fake smile and, 'How ARE youuuuu' to elicit tips is painful when you know it is only for that purpose.

My card didn't work in a bar recently and I had no cash, the barman let me leave and go to an ATM, about 10 minute round trip to get cash without any fuss or security. He deserved the tip he got.

Me too. But the system is hard to change. Not tipping just screws over the worker.

murpho999 · 01-11-2019 6:48pm

hynesie08 wrote: »

Do you get a performance based bonus in work? or a voucher at christmas? a bottle of whiskey from a supplier perhaps?? What's the difference?

A bonus is from your employer and they've benefited from you.

A present from a supplier is maintaining relationships. Also many companies have anti-corruption policies against this.

In both examples it's not the customer paying something extra for a service they have already paid for.

mrslancaster · 01-11-2019 9:41pm

chrissb8 wrote: »

…. Don't put your money into the chancers with their jars or stupid baskets with some crap "funny joke" slapped on the front. You get a tip as an unwarranted thank you, you don't get it when you ask for it and assume you're entitled to it by putting out some jar like you're a charity case. You get paid a wage, like all of us, I am not paying you for doing something you are already being paid for....

There could be more of those jars soon - I heard there's a new bill about tipping in the hospitality sector and employers will have to display their tips policy and all the tips will be combined and then distributed to all staff.

If that means everyone will have to hand up any tips they get, it kinda goes against the idea that people tip individuals for good service.

thanks for all the interesting posts and comments

toffeeshel · 01-11-2019 11:52pm

Terry Eager Yam wrote: »

I’m very strongly against it and have often ended up in arguments out with friends as I will simply not add extra money to the pot for a tip and that sort of thing.

I hope that you have the balls to inform the server that you haven’t contributed to the tip. Somehow I doubt it.
I’d say your ‘friends’ love going out with you.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 01-11-2019 11:56pm

toffeeshel wrote: »

I hope that you have the balls to inform the server that you haven’t contributed to the tip. Somehow I doubt it.
I’d say your ‘friends’ love going out with you.

I don’t see why an argument would happen anyway. In my experience, people don’t diligently look for an exact amount from each person for a tip, the money is cobbled together haphazardly. So I hope he’s not telling other people to not tip.

toffeeshel · 02-11-2019 12:02am

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I don’t see why an argument would happen anyway. In my experience, people don’t diligently look for an exact amount from each person for a tip, the money is cobbled together haphazardly. So I hope he’s not telling other people to not tip.

I’d say that when the bill arrives he’s the one that goes ‘ my starter was €2 cheaper and I didn’t order any sides and had a coffee instead of dessert therefore I only owe.......’

the_pen_turner · 02-11-2019 12:04am

toffeeshel wrote: »

I’d say that when the bill arrives he’s the one that goes ‘ my starter was €2 cheaper and I didn’t order any sides and had a coffee instead of dessert therefore I only owe.......’

there is a huge diference between not tipping and being stingy

toffeeshel · 02-11-2019 12:11am

the_pen_turner wrote: »

there is a huge diference between not tipping and being stingy

Can’t agree. IMO it goes hand in hand. A stingy person is highly unlikely to tip. If throwing a couple of euro down as a tip is such a big deal then don’t go out

the_pen_turner · 02-11-2019 12:17am

toffeeshel wrote: »

Can’t agree. IMO it goes hand in hand. A stingy person is highly unlikely to tip. If throwing a couple of euro down as a tip is such a big deal then don’t go out

and you would be wrong. or at least partialy wrong.

yes a stinky person wont tip but that doesnt mean that all thos that dont tip are stingy

i never tip . i dont see the point or need. a tip should be for going beyond what your job entails. being nice and friendly is part of your job,
i can only think of 2 cases where somone has went above and beyond. one was a vetinery nurse calling out to a sick animal with the vet when she should be gone home for a half day, the other a sales guy in a local tool shop brought home a tool to his house so i could ty it out becasue i needed it the day after and couldnt get to the shop during the day

i cosider my self fairly generous and not stingy but i would never tip

Fanny Wank · 02-11-2019 12:17am

toffeeshel wrote: »

Can’t agree. IMO it goes hand in hand. A stingy person is highly unlikely to tip. If throwing a couple of euro down as a tip is such a big deal then don’t go out

Completely incorrect

This comes up all the time on here & nobody had yet given a satisfactory answer (IMO) to why are waiting staff so different to other types of staff?

toffeeshel · 02-11-2019 12:27am

the_pen_turner wrote: »

and you would be wrong. or at least partialy wrong.

yes a stinky person wont tip but that doesnt mean that all thos that dont tip are stingy

i never tip . i dont see the point or need. a tip should be for going beyond what your job entails. being nice and friendly is part of your job,
i can only think of 2 cases where somone has went above and beyond. one was a vetinery nurse calling out to a sick animal with the vet when she should be gone home for a half day, the other a sales guy in a local tool shop brought home a tool to his house so i could ty it out becasue i needed it the day after and couldnt get to the shop during the day

i cosider my self fairly generous and not stingy but i would never tip

You are therefore stingy. These threads are always full of people trying to justify being tightarses. You have obviously never worked in the service industry. Sometimes in life it’s nice to be nice. Your stingyness doesn’t go unnoticed. I would much prefer to be thought of as being a decent person than to have people that have done me a service thinking ‘cnut ‘
Everyone to their own

the_pen_turner · 02-11-2019 12:32am

toffeeshel wrote: »

You are therefore stingy. These threads are always full of people trying to justify being tightarses. You have obviously never worked in the service industry. Sometimes in life it’s nice to be nice. Your stingyness doesn’t go unnoticed. I would much prefer to be thought of as being a decent person than to have people that have done me a service thinking ‘cnut ‘
Everyone to their own

how is there anything in my post that make me stingy.

i work everyday in a service industry. im a self employed carpenter.
tipping has nothing to do with being nice. im very nice , i always thank the people serving me etc

not tipping is more on principle that the few euro. i have paid for something so why should i pay again

im sorry but anyone that would think of someone not tipping as a cnut is clearly one themselves and not someone i would lose a minutes sleep over.

toffeeshel · 02-11-2019 12:36am

the_pen_turner wrote: »

how is there anything in my post that make me stingy.

i work everyday in a service industry. im a self employed carpenter.
tipping has nothing to do with being nice. im very nice , i always thank the people serving me etc

im sorry but anyone that would think of someone not tipping as a cnut is clearly one themselves and not someone i would lose a minutes sleep over.

You’re a carpenter therefore I presume that occasionally people give you €10/€20 over the agreed price? You receive tips therefore you should know how good that is. Share the love

the_pen_turner · 02-11-2019 12:38am

toffeeshel wrote: »

You’re a carpenter therefore I presume that occasionally people give you €10/€20 over the agreed price? You receive tips therefore you should know how good that is. Share the love

very very rarely.
and thse time have been for doign something extra or going the extra mile . hence my belief that a tip should only be for doing extra.

Dog Murphy · 02-11-2019 12:38am

hynesie08 wrote: »

Ask anyone who's had their bonus slashed/removed if it's part of their wages.....

So is it the concept of tipping or the source of the money you have an issue with, do you tip when you're expensing the meal.....

I'd imagine they'd tell you it is part of their wages and that it feels like a wage cut if something like that happens.

Dog Murphy · 02-11-2019 12:42am

toffeeshel wrote: »

You are therefore stingy. These threads are always full of people trying to justify being tightarses. You have obviously never worked in the service industry. Sometimes in life it’s nice to be nice. Your stingyness doesn’t go unnoticed. I would much prefer to be thought of as being a decent person than to have people that have done me a service thinking ‘cnut ‘
Everyone to their own

What exactly is the service industry, somebody who works in a call centre is essentially part of the service industry as well but they never get tips from customers.

toffeeshel · 02-11-2019 12:49am

the_pen_turner wrote: »

very very rarely.
and thse time have been for doign something extra or going the extra mile . hence my belief that a tip should only be for doing extra.

I’m sure it happens more than rarely. We tip everyone that comes to our house to provide a service as do all our extended family.
You’re trying to justify not tipping. I’m not going to be able to change your ways.
I’ll give you an example- I’ve worked as a takeaway driver. If I leave the shop with 3 deliveries 2 of which are tippers and 1 isn’t- who is getting cold chips?

Fanny Wank · 02-11-2019 12:51am

toffeeshel wrote: »

You are therefore stingy. These threads are always full of people trying to justify being tightarses. You have obviously never worked in the service industry. Sometimes in life it’s nice to be nice. Your stingyness doesn’t go unnoticed. I would much prefer to be thought of as being a decent person than to have people that have done me a service thinking ‘cnut ‘
Everyone to their own

This makes no sense

Am I a tight arse for not tipping in the petrol station? Or is it only just in restaurants?

Say I take some friends and family out in a restaurant in Dublin (most are quite expensive) to treat them, but if I don't tip I'm tight and a cnut?

If i'm a total cnut in all other aspects of life but because I throw a few quid at a waiter (off topic f*ck me I hate the term "server") who I don't know and interacts with me for a few mins I can walk around head held high as not a cnut?

These threads are hilarious. The cost of living in Ireland is high, restaurants are expensive but people not adding 10%+ to an already expensive bill is tight and really should stay at home instead?

Completely laughable

Fanny Wank · 02-11-2019 12:52am

toffeeshel wrote: »

I’ll give you an example- I’ve worked as a takeaway driver. If I leave the shop with 3 deliveries 2 of which are tippers and 1 isn’t- who is getting cold chips?

If I get cold chips I won't be ordering from that takeaway again

In fact I wouldn't pay for them, you could take them away with you

hynesie08 · 02-11-2019 12:54am

toffeeshel wrote: »

I’m sure it happens more than rarely. We tip everyone that comes to our house to provide a service as do all our extended family.
You’re trying to justify not tipping. I’m not going to be able to change your ways.
I’ll give you an example- I’ve worked as a takeaway driver. If I leave the shop with 3 deliveries 2 of which are tippers and 1 isn’t- who is getting cold chips?

I tip most service staff, but if I suspected for even a second someone was pulling that kind of bollocks, I'd be on the phone to their boss in a heartbeat. What if its my first time using your service? Do you bring me cold chips, so I don't tip you, so you bring me cold chips etc etc? Tipping should never be expected simply because.

toffeeshel · 02-11-2019 1:01am

Fanny **** wrote: »

If I get cold chips I won't be ordering from that takeaway again

You’ll eventually run out of takeaways to order from and have to get off your arse to collect your food as all drivers work like this but hey look on the bright side- exercise and you’ll be a euro richer

the_syco · 02-11-2019 1:03am

murpho999 wrote: »

I don't get why people tip waiters, taxi drivers and hairdressers but not barmen, office workers , fast food staff, shop assistants, nurses etc.

Pro tip; tip the barman for fast service the next time you go to get served.

Have tipped fast food staff.

Nurses... there's a tip joke there somewhere.... :pac:

toffeeshel · 02-11-2019 1:03am

hynesie08 wrote: »

I tip most service staff, but if I suspected for even a second someone was pulling that kind of bollocks, I'd be on the phone to their boss in a heartbeat. What if its my first time using your service? Do you bring me cold chips, so I don't tip you, so you bring me cold chips etc etc? Tipping should never be expected simply because.

It’s not bolix it’s economics. You tip- you’ll be fine

False Prophet · 02-11-2019 1:07am

toffeeshel wrote: »

It’s not bolix it’s economics. You tip- you’ll be fine

And what about if he tips say 5 quid but the 2 others tip 10 quid? Why does that deserve cold chips

hynesie08 · 02-11-2019 1:10am

toffeeshel wrote: »

It’s not bolix it’s economics. You tip- you’ll be fine

Or, do your job well and I'll tip you...

False Prophet · 02-11-2019 1:10am

Dog Murphy wrote: »

What exactly is the service industry, somebody who works in a call centre is essentially part of the service industry as well but they never get tips from customers.

Couriers, checkout assistants, receptionists, clampers, toll booth assistants, bank clerks, doctors, nurses, ambulance drivers, gardas, solicitors, politicians(for some reason has to be in a brown envelope for them)

I'm already saving up in case I end up in a nursery home that I have enough to tip the person that will be serving my food everyday.

toffeeshel · 02-11-2019 1:13am

False Prophet wrote: »

And what about if he tips say 5 quid but the 2 others tip 10 quid? Why does that deserve cold chips

‘Cold’ was an exaggeration to make a point. If I thought I could make €25 from 3 deliveries I’d give up the day job. Point is that people appreciate a tip and that regular customers that tip get better service

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 02-11-2019 1:29am

the_pen_turner wrote: »

there is a huge diference between not tipping and being stingy

A non-tipper will have to accept that probably many people will view them as stingy though. Just how it is.

andekwarhola · 02-11-2019 1:32am

Off the top of my head, the only places/people I tip are restaurants, coffee shops (only the ones I regularly frequent), taxi drivers and delivery drivers. The last two aren't necessarily tips, just rounding off by a few euro.

Tipping to me is just a completely random, social act of largesse for people that are probably on lower wages than you and/or in demanding service roles, especially regular servers. It's not something I analyze deeply or care much about arguing about.

False Prophet · 02-11-2019 1:33am

toffeeshel wrote: »

‘Cold’ was an exaggeration to make a point. If I thought I could make €25 from 3 deliveries I’d give up the day job. Point is that people appreciate a tip and that regular customers that tip get better service

But that's the problem.
Nothing wrong with giving a tip for extra service or if you want to feel like Johnny big shot.
The issue is giving a tip for expected service.
Delivery food job is to deliver food, why do they deserve a tip?
DHL courier delivers packages, why doesnt he also get a tip?

toffeeshel · 02-11-2019 1:35am

andekwarhola wrote: »

Off the top of my head, the only places/people I tip are restaurants, coffee shops (only the ones I regularly frequent), taxi drivers and delivery drivers. The last two aren't necessarily tips, just rounding off by a few euro.

Tipping to me is just a completely random, social act of largesse for people that are probably on lower wages than you and/or in demanding service roles, especially regular servers. It's not something I analyze deeply or care much about arguing about.

The posters that are analyzing and arguing are predominantly the ones that don’t tip trying to justify it

False Prophet · 02-11-2019 1:43am

toffeeshel wrote: »

The posters that are analyzing and arguing are predominantly the ones that don’t tip trying to justify it

Any chance you can justify why you choose to tip only some professions?

(Ps I tip where custom dictates that you are meant to esp when abroad plus I've worked in the service industry for years when younger)

andekwarhola · 02-11-2019 1:43am

False Prophet wrote: »

But that's the problem.
Nothing wrong with giving a tip for extra service or if you want to feel like Johnny big shot.
The issue is giving a tip for expected service.
Delivery food job is to deliver food, why do they deserve a tip?
DHL courier delivers packages, why doesnt he also get a tip?

Sometimes people just wish to spread some random largesse in the world, whether that be holding a door open, saying hello or tipping somebody in a service role that's worse than their job. It's often random, spontaneous and not necessarily subject to an inner spreadsheet.

Dog Murphy · 02-11-2019 1:50am

toffeeshel wrote: »

The posters that are analyzing and arguing are predominantly the ones that don’t tip trying to justify it

People who don't tip don't need to justify it.

You are charged a price for a service, you pay the price you are charged that is the only obligation you have as a customer.

Dog Murphy · 02-11-2019 1:51am

andekwarhola wrote: »

Sometimes people just wish to spread some random largesse in the world, whether that be holding a door open, saying hello or tipping somebody in a service role that's worse than their job. It's often random, spontaneous and not necessarily subject to an inner spreadsheet.

So what you are saying is that tipping is actually a way of being patronizing to the little people and making yourself feel good about it at the same time.

Plumbthedepths · 02-11-2019 1:53am

toffeeshel wrote: »

The posters that are analyzing and arguing are predominantly the ones that don’t tip trying to justify it

Took long enough to get to the BS. Well done.

andekwarhola · 02-11-2019 1:58am

Dog Murphy wrote: »

So what you are saying is that tipping is actually a way of being patronizing to the little people and making yourself feel good about it at the same time.

Nope.

I'm saying sometimes I like to tip without being furiously analytical about it or running it against a spreadsheet of global tipping situations.

You seem quite angry about this?

I'm more than happy about my random, spontaneous acts of largesse involving my own money.

Maybe mindfulness or meditation might help you?

Dog Murphy · 02-11-2019 2:01am

andekwarhola wrote: »

Nope.

I'm saying sometimes I like to tip without being furiously analytical about it or running it against a spreadsheet of global tipping situations.

You seem quite angry about this?

I'm more than happy about my random, spontaneous acts of largesse involving my own money.

Maybe mindfulness or meditaion might help you?

Great , you like to Tip and a lot of people don't.

You're not wrong for Tipping a nd the people who don't Tip aren't wrong either

The entire issue about tipping though is that some people seem to think that those who don't tip are in the wrong and by not tipping are being really mean when in reality they really aren't doing anything wrong at all.

andekwarhola · 02-11-2019 2:02am

Dog Murphy wrote: »

and the people who don't Tip aren't wrong either

Who said they were?

Deep breaths, chief.

Upforthematch · 02-11-2019 2:05am

10pc for a good meal or 20 quid for a repair/ assembly done well.

Sometimes a tip for hotel room staff but doesn't seem to be the done thing

the_syco · 02-11-2019 2:07am

False Prophet wrote: »

Delivery food job is to deliver food, why do they deserve a tip?
DHL courier delivers packages, why doesnt he also get a tip?

I find most people tip in jobs that they have worked in. So they tip bar/restaurant/etc staff, etc.

A few people will gift their postman something at xmas. Parents used to give the milkman something at xmas, when we used to get milk delivered.

Not specifically DHL, but some farmers will offer people delivering large shipments some tea & sandwiches. In the long run, this can bump said farmer up to the front of the queue.

False Prophet · 02-11-2019 2:09am

Upforthematch wrote: »

10pc for a good meal or 20 quid for a repair/ assembly done well.

Sometimes a tip for hotel room staff but doesn't seem to be the done thing

Fair play to you, guess it makes sense to give 10% to the cook for a good meal. Do you give anything as well to the cleaners, servers or managers of restaurant?

To Tip or not to Tip - what are the rules?

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