Teenagers blowing up Kittens

gctest50 · 28-10-2017 2:12am

One_Of_Shanks wrote: »

Anyway, it wasnt only hunts, I meant this sort of thing, its happening and its a far bigger disgrace than a few kittens and puppies
If only people cared more :

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-36598935

Hunting foxes with dogs etc is illegal in the UK since 2004

this is how you keep the little sheep safe :

28-10-2017 2:15am

SeanW wrote: »

Mice and rats are an existential threat to human civilisation

Wow -- lets just pause your statement right there, and also focus on the species under discussion, mice.

You think that MICE are "an existential threat to human civilisation"

Are you aware of how preposterous a statement that is?

Even if mice represented any substantial threat to us (and the very statement is laughable), it would be an argument for their humane destruction, not the mousetraps I referred to, where they often die slow, agonising deaths by dehydration.

One_Of_Shanks wrote: »

I'll counter by asking do you think the way foxes are treated in this country is acceptable?

Absolutely. Especially when they are killed by hunting to hounds. Foxhunting (to hounds) is the most humane method of destroying foxes that is practiced in this country.

One_Of_Shanks · 28-10-2017 2:41am

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Absolutely. Especially when they are killed by hunting to hounds. Foxhunting (to hounds) is the most humane method of destroying foxes that is practiced in this country.

You see that vid I posted? Any opinions?

Yeah maybe you're right and its "the most humane method of destroying foxes".
But maybe we dont want our foxes destroyed.

I assume that if anything happens one of your dogs you feel a sense of loss.

So its the same for some of us when we see a fox lost.

28-10-2017 3:04am

One_Of_Shanks wrote: »

You see that vid I posted? Any opinions?

Two opinions, enumerated as below:

1. How cruel that is
2. How irrelevant that is. It doesn't happen in kennels. It's so extraordinary that it made the BBC news.

One_Of_Shanks · 28-10-2017 3:16am

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Two opinions, enumerated as below:

1. How cruel that is
2. How irrelevant that is. It doesn't happen in kennels. It's so extraordinary that it made the BBC news.

We'll agree on 1. Cruel isn't strong enough by the way.

2. Nah that can't be irrelevant.
It's so common that the BBC needed to make a piece about it.

hatrickpatrick · 28-10-2017 4:37am

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

that's a very human-centred view of the world?

I'm not sure that it is of any consolation to the mouse, writhing during its agnonizing death (and often, only dying of dehydration) to know the purpose of its death.

The agony that is felt by a mouse in a traditional mousetrap is in no way mitigated by the objective of its killing. It is no more principled a killing (and in fact, quite slower) than a cat that is blown to pieces by a firework (even if that did happen).

It seems to me as though you're excusing certain human behaviours on account of the human's sensibilities, but you're not taking proper account of real pain and real suffering on behalf of those animals that are enduring it.

Neither the mouse in its trap, nor the putative cat that is attached to a firework, has any comprehension of why it is being tortured by humans. All either animal knows, is severe pain.

It is indeed a human centric view. It's more about the kind of human society one wants to live in, and personally I, along with many others, would prefer to live in one in which scumbags are not allowed to act like scumbags. Killing a kitten with a firework is symptomatic of being a horrible human being who gets pleasure from inflicting death. Simply put, those of us advocating harsh punishments would rather not share this island with that type of person, end of story. And yes, I'm sure that sounds harsh, but it is what it is. It's about personality type really at the end of the day - people with a sociopathic or psychopathic personality type are in my view a threat to everyone else's enjoyment of life, and as such I believe that heir behaviours simply shouldn't be tolerated in our legal system.

Somebody killing an animal for food is probably not doing so because they enjoy watching the animal die. Somebody who kills an animal for fun is doing so because they enjoy watching the animal die. Somebody who enjoys watching an animal die for the sake of it is somebody with a sociopathic/psychopathic personality type, and as such is the type of human I regard as persona non grata. I would advocate that society as a whole takes this approach.

My, your, and others' enjoyment of life shouldn't have to be marred by interactions with people whose specific purpose in life is to deliberately ruin our day for no reason other than their own entertainment. That applies to animals as well. People whose specific purpose in life is to ruin others' - human or otherwise - day for their own entertainment are the exact type of people who should be getting long jail sentences so that they cannot continue to ruin peoples' day for their own entertainment. The assholes referenced in this thread are most certainly in that category.

I am not suggesting that some people don't grow out of this and learn to become decent human beings. Some people have the most appalling stories of the things they did in their youths and still managed to turn out to be good people. But in the interim, once identified they should be GPS tagged, curfewed, and subject to the kinds of restrictions on movement which make it impossible for them to ruin peoples' days without getting caught and punished.

Hell, the idea of giving these f*ckers an ass-kicking is a good example of the difference. I detest violence and I would hate to be the one dispensing it. But just like I'd be willing to put my health above my hate for violence when laying a mouse-trap, I'd be willing to put my safety and the safety of others above my hate for violence when giving these guys such a solid ass kicking that they'd be too afraid to ever lay a finger on another living thing again lest they get another similarly vicious ass kicking. It's not about enjoyment, it's about achieving an end result.

28-10-2017 6:26am

SeanW wrote: »

So, yes, there is a very practical reason to hang someone who abuses cats...

I don't think that post will be topped today for hyperbole!

Don't be silly. There will be no hanging for cat abuse, nor is there a practical reason to do so. It's a crime, it should result in penalties right up to imprisonment.

But there isn't a practical reason to introduce the death penalty for cat abuse.

MSVforever · 28-10-2017 7:30am

Unfortunately these animal cruelty cases are not an urban legend..... :

http://theliberal.ie/shocking-cat-dead-after-having-firework-taped-to-its-mouth-in-co-tipperary/

http://www.irishdogs.ie/news/2010/09/17/thugs-blow-up-dog.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2918606/Sick-yobs-BLEW-dog-tying-fireworks-it.html

Sick bastrds. Total waste of oxygen. They should rot in prison until they die.

I hate Halloween. It's the most terrifying time of the year for animals. Gardai should apply a zero tolerance on fireworks. Keep your pets safe!

Son0vagun · 28-10-2017 7:48am

We actually found four kittens yesterday, left them with Kitten Cottage in Virginia. Nice to think we might have saved them from this sort of thing.

Back home in the 90s a local teenager captured a cat, set fire to it and watched it run down the road ablazed. It was reported but nothing came of it. Said teenage is now partially blind and we do see him roaming the roads alone, Karmas a bitch I guess.

Wheeliebin30 · 28-10-2017 7:55am

I see a fire truck was attacked laat night.

Ah the youth of Ireland.

https://youtu.be/l9gMdYVQCtw

gozunda · 28-10-2017 8:05am

One_Of_Shanks wrote: »

...

I'll counter by asking do you think the way foxes are treated in this country is acceptable?

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-36598935

Just in case you havn't noticed that is not in this country and like the kitten killing that incident was been talked about exactly because it's outside what usually happens ...

It's like when any issue is brought up and someone chimes in with "will no one think of the children" in an effort of whataboutery ...

gozunda · 28-10-2017 8:22am

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

that's a very human-centred view of the world?

I'm not sure that it is of any consolation to the mouse, writhing during its agnonizing death (and often, only dying of dehydration) to know the purpose of its death.

The agony that is felt by a mouse in a traditional mousetrap is in no way mitigated by the objective of its killing. It is no more principled a killing (and in fact, quite slower) than a cat that is blown to pieces by a firework (even if that did happen).

It seems to me as though you're excusing certain human behaviours on account of the human's sensibilities, but you're not taking proper account of real pain and real suffering on behalf of those animals that are enduring it.

Neither the mouse in its trap, nor the putative cat that is attached to a firework, has any comprehension of why it is being tortured by humans. All either animal knows, is severe pain.

In a thread about a cat been killed by a bunch of scrotes tying it to a banger there is a helluva lot of mice ...

I don't know what type of mousetrap you are using but the ones I've seen used kill the mouse straight out. Mouse eats cheese etc - bang traps snaps shut - and in the ones I've seen mouse is dead. May be there are cheap nasty ones that don't do this. Solution don't buy cheap mouse traps.

Mice are killed systematically because of they are classed as vermin and will damage household goods, spoil foodstuffs and may be a health risk same goes with rats.

Now I know that there were campaigns to ban the glue type mouse traps being sold in poundshops - fair enough - and live mouse traps are also now readibly avaialable everywhere.

No one here is excusing certain human behaviours on account of the human's sensibilities as far as I can see - what is being said that killing a cat minding its own business with a firework is the work of deranged psychopaths...

Hannibal_Smith · 28-10-2017 11:35am

Terrlock wrote: »

They haven't reported it yet, but I just encouraged her to do so and will as soon as her daughter gets up as she's still in her room in a bad way after witnessing it.

You should report it then.

One_Of_Shanks · 28-10-2017 12:30pm

gozunda wrote: »

Just in case you havn't noticed that is not in this country.

The bbc bit alerted me to the fact that it wasn't within the republic alright.
I was the one who chose the link.

Animal cruelty is rife here and not enough is done about it.

Regardless of what links I can or cannot provide. Its there and it happens and you can ignore it if you want. Be the link from the UK or Wexford the point is that it happens and maybe the lack of links from ROI shows that we're not doing enough about it. People who mistreat animals dont tend to create websites.

But hey, I'll happily admit that I've taken this thread off topic somewhat.
In so far as one bit of animal cruelty leading to a discussion of a more widespread issue.
Other than that I'm comfortable with what I said and glad I highlighted it for what little good it may do.

hatrickpatrick · 28-10-2017 1:33pm

gozunda wrote: »

No one here is excusing certain human behaviours on account of the human's sensibilities as far as I can see - what is being said that killing a cat minding its own business with a firework is the work of deranged psychopaths...

This, exactly. And I for one advocate identifying, tagging, and restricting the movements of all such deranged psycopaths so that Ireland can become a safer and more enjoyable country for decent people to live in.

Anyone remember the screamer -> girl's hoodie video from Railway Street in Dublin from a few weeks ago, where those kids nearly blew her head off and laughed maniacally as her hood exploded in a shower of sparks? These are the types of human I am referring to. Some call them troubled, misunderstood, victims of circumstance, etc. I simply call them vile, vile not-quite-human beings who should not be free to move unrestricted around our society and menace random people in this manner. The kids who killed the cat fall into the same category. Antisocial behaviour is one of the very few issues on which I have an extremely right wing view - give them the harshest possible punishments which specifically mean that their movements are restricted such that they cannot indulge their psychopathic tendencies. House arrest, jail, curfew, GPS tagging, mental institution, I really don't care - as long as the end result is that ordinary, decent Irish people no longer have to share their cities and towns with these people.

I guarantee you that the lads who put the screamer in the girl's hoodie are "known to the Gardai", and I guarantee you that if they're not already, the kids who killed this cat will soon also be "known to the Gardai" for more serious instances of antisocial behaviour.

the beer revolu · 28-10-2017 3:44pm

I find some of the comments here more disturbing than the alleged actions of these kids.

Now, I'm assuming it's just hard man bluster from the safety of behind a keyboard but if it wasn't it would be truly disturbing if there really were that many vigilante types willing to torture, maim, severely beat, and kill, other human beings.

Honesty, I'd be more comfortable in a country with a tiny amount of psychopaths who torture animals than one with a large vigilante psychopath population hell bent on cleaning up the streets.

I'm glad it's all just hard woman/man bluster.

BTW, I find animal cruelty despicable.

hatrickpatrick · 28-10-2017 4:13pm

the beer revolu wrote: »

I find some of the comments here more disturbing than the alleged actions of these kids.

Now, I'm assuming it's just hard man bluster from the safety of behind a keyboard but if it wasn't it would be truly disturbing if there really were that many vigilante types willing to torture, maim, severely beat, and kill, other human beings.

Honesty, I'd be more comfortable in a country with a tiny amount of psychopaths who torture animals than one with a large vigilante psychopath population hell bent on cleaning up the streets.

I'm glad it's all just hard woman/man bluster.

BTW, I find animal cruelty despicable.

How do you suggest that ordinary decent Irish people protect themselves when the courts refuse to do so? Did you see the video of the woman who nearly had her head blown off after having a rocket dropped into her hood by some scumbag psychopath? If the courts won't lock him up, which we all know they won't, then how do you suggest we deter him from ever doing something like that again?

Honestly, I'm all ears. I detest violence as much as anyone, but I'm willing to sacrifice one scumbag getting the sh!t kicked out of him if it saves a non-scumbag from having a firework stuffed into their clothes, FFS.

the beer revolu · 28-10-2017 4:34pm

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

How do you suggest that ordinary decent Irish people protect themselves when the courts refuse to do so? Did you see the video of the woman who nearly had her head blown off after having a rocket dropped into her hood by some scumbag psychopath? If the courts won't lock him up, which we all know they won't, then how do you suggest we deter him from ever doing something like that again?

Honestly, I'm all ears. I detest violence as much as anyone, but I'm willing to sacrifice one scumbag getting the sh!t kicked out of him if it saves a non-scumbag from having a firework stuffed into their clothes, FFS.

So, are you a vigilante?
Do you go around administering justice?

I don't claim to have the answer, I just know I don't want to live in a country where vigilanteism is the answer. I'd rather put up with the level of crime and antisocial behaviour that we have.

So, you're either a vigilante or it's all bluster.

hatrickpatrick · 28-10-2017 6:05pm

the beer revolu wrote: »

So, are you a vigilante?
Do you go around administering justice?

I don't claim to have the answer, I just know I don't want to live in a country where vigilanteism is the answer. I'd rather put up with the level of crime and antisocial behaviour that we have.

So, you're either a vigilante or it's all bluster.

Unfortunately I have neither the necessary balls nor physical bulk to administer vigilante justice to scrotes, but I wish I did, and I absolutely commend those who do.

I don't want to live in a society in which vigilante justice is the answer either, but in this world we unfortunately deal in the lesser of two evils quite regularly. And faced with a binary choice between scumbags acting with impunity, and scumbags getting their noses broken by vigilantes and subsequently being too scared to go out hassling decent people, I'd choose the latter without a second's hesitation.

EDIT: in this video, a scumbag goes around harassing random people in Dublin for the craic and eventually gets a smack with a crepe. Do you regard the crepe smacker as unjustified?

https://streamable.com/xqtf4

lilsparkle69 · 28-10-2017 6:27pm

Sickening to read. I'll never understand how a whole group of kids agree on doing cruel things to animals. Do none of them feel guilty or think its wrong?

So important to keep animals inside and safe around this time of year.

gozunda · 28-10-2017 10:33pm

the beer revolu wrote: »

So, are you a vigilante?
Do you go around administering justice?

I don't claim to have the answer, I just know I don't want to live in a country where vigilanteism is the answer. I'd rather put up with the level of crime and antisocial behaviour that we have.

So, you're either a vigilante or it's all bluster.

I disagree there is no need to be "either a vigilante or its all bluster -' The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing'

Edmund Burke.

If that means reporting these scrotes, performing a citizens arrest or intervening to stop such behaviour then so be it ...

I believe one of the most disingenuous things anyone can do is to say "it's nothing to do with me" / 'I dont wish to get involved' and then walk away - unchallenged such behaviour has an effect on all of us and the reflects the society we live in ...

the beer revolu · 29-10-2017 12:15am

gozunda wrote: »

I disagree there is no need to be "either a vigilante or its all bluster -' The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing'

Edmund Burke.

If that means reporting these scrotes, performing a citizens arrest or intervening to stop such behaviour then so be it ...

I believe one of the most disingenuous things anyone can do is to say "it's nothing to do with me" / 'I dont wish to get involved' and then walk away - unchallenged such behaviour has an effect on all of us and the reflects the society we live in ...

I agree completely.
Big difference between intervening in an illegal act and serving justice as one sees fit after the fact.

hatrickpatrick · 29-10-2017 1:44am

the beer revolu wrote: »

I agree completely.
Big difference between intervening in an illegal act and serving justice as one sees fit after the fact.

It's not about justice though, it's about deterrent. If you feel like doing something but you know that there's a very good chance that you'll get seven shades of sh!te kicked out of you if you do, are you not at least somewhat less likely to act on that impulse?

Austria! · 29-10-2017 6:25pm

the beer revolu wrote: »

So, are you a vigilante?
Do you go around administering justice?

I don't claim to have the answer, I just know I don't want to live in a country where vigilanteism is the answer. I'd rather put up with the level of crime and antisocial behaviour that we have.

I'd prefer the vigilantism.

It were up to me, the kids would be painlessly euthanized.

30-10-2017 11:08am

Hooks Golf Handicap wrote: »

Always get the benefit of the doubt do kittens. Shower of feckers every one of them.

I have your christmas present all picked out.

Optimalprimerib · 30-10-2017 2:45pm

Anyone who does this should be treated as badly as paedophiles as it is a really bad omen for their future.

There should be a watchlist for people like that no matter what their age is

Hector Savage · 30-10-2017 2:56pm

cml387 wrote: »

I saw some fire brigade footage on RTE of a poor terrier who had been given a firework to hold in its mouth for "fun". The poor dog's jaw was hanging off.

It's no urban legend.

Sorry to be controversial but abortion is a good argument for these feral scum.

They should be sterilised at birth ... people born in certain areas - next generation and massive crime drop.

But of course the working class parties and PC do gooders would have none of it ... such a shame.

Discodog · 30-10-2017 5:28pm

Optimalprimerib wrote: »

Anyone who does this should be treated as badly as paedophiles as it is a really bad omen for their future.

There should be a watchlist for people like that no matter what their age is

There was a child psychologist on the radio saying the same thing. If you can't empathise with the suffering of an animal it's easy to accept the same with humans.

MikeyTaylor · 31-10-2017 1:20am

How could anyone get away with this stuff?? Makes me sick to my stomach.

branie2 · 31-10-2017 1:36am

Talk about sick!

Terrlock · 31-10-2017 1:39am

We need an equivalent of military school for troubled kids.

They need early intervention and rehabilitation

dd972 · 31-10-2017 1:48am

Irish education has this reputation as one giant Clongowes Wood, why are there so many of these twats doing this sort of stuff then?

DEFTLEFTHAND · 31-10-2017 3:38am

Thugs from the high tower tenament buildings in Dublin once videoded themselves throwing cats off the roof of the flats. I believe that they were proscuted after it as they were ignorent enough to show their faces in the vids they posted to youtube.

Hastentoadd · 31-10-2017 4:10am

My Opinion Is

greencap · 31-10-2017 4:17am

Maybe time for a new dark trend to be born.

Anyone who did stuff to an animal last halloween is the target for a bashing this halloween.

LordSutch · 31-10-2017 10:45am

I just have this image from the thread title of teenagers with straws, blowing up. . . . .

Straight Talker · 01-11-2017 11:19pm

I can understand why the poor girl would be upset.Im upset myself after reading this.There really is some disgusting pond life out there.Oh well hopefully these people will get their comeuppance in due course.As they say karma is a b!tch.

Teenagers blowing up Kittens

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