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More Signs Ecological Endgame Is Coming?

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  • #102
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    https://twistedsifter.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/mother_gaia_by_humon-mother-nature-human-comic-hugging.jpg
    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    8 billion on Earth by 2024, 9 billion by 2040

    The planet simply does not have the resources for that many human beings

    It will lead to our extinction event.
    IDK... When you look at the massive, massive food surplus in the West and how much of that is wasted, it may be possible that if resources were better managed on behalf of humanity as a whole then we would be able to feed the planet, but the main issue would be in getting people to accept that.


    Personally, I think a vegan diet is not the answer. The amount of food that needs to be processed (such as soy), or shipped halfway around the planet (quinoa) is too high. My OH is non-dairy vegetarian and I've started to move more that way just through the logistics of cooking. IMO vegetarian with occasional meat is probably the best way to go, with an emphasis on buying locally. As I said to a vegan of my acquaintance: she's getting food shipped in from all over the world, I could, if I were so inclined, buy 10 acres of land, a goat, and a pile of chickens and never be troubled by going to a shop again.


  • #103
    Jimbob1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,239 ✭✭✭Jimbob1977


    I think we need to colonise Mars

    And then trash it

    Then move on to Alpha Centauri


  • #104
    jmayo
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    gk5000 wrote: »
    MY questions - which you did not answer were - even though you started with the endgame/disaster theme:
    What plants or animals has Ireland lost in the last 50 years?

    I know that we have had effects such as less corncrakes, if any, appearing on our shores because meadows are not cut early due to advent of silage rather than hay.

    A lot of the damage done in Ireland were things like the English (yes those feckers) chopping down our forests and we lost things like bears, wolves, eagles, etc.

    Man has had huge influences around the planet and it isn't often like the dodo which was hunted into extinction.

    A lot of the time it is like Australia where the introduction of cats, rabbits, dogs has had a drastic effect on the indigenous animals who have never evolved to face these new threats.
    One of their crowning fookups was the introduction of the cane toad. :rolleyes:
    Likewise with New Zealand and the introduction of deer and possums which have huge influence on their natural habits.

    In the states they eventually copped on that the good old buffalo (yes we know they are really bison) had a much less destabilising effect on the prairie grasslands than all those cattle.

    The affects of huge growing populations in Africa has meant one of the last great sources of wild animals is no longer what was even a century ago.
    Then add in all the poaching, the incestant wars, the desertification of half the continent and the wild life are being forced in smaller and smaller pockets.
    gk5000 wrote: »
    Why does all gloomster/doomster forecasts want "other people" to do something?

    Why don't all those who want a reduced population to "save the planet" volunteer and reduce themselves?

    My answers are:
    - I am not aware of ANY extinctions in Ireland during the period you mentioned.
    - We cannot control foreign regimes especially corrupt/inept ones
    - We can always improve but things are not so bad and man/earth have survived thus far and there is no reason to think we shall not continue

    - Knee Jerk reactions/actions are seldom useful - especially things like subsidised biofuels

    The best systems should be as voluntary as possible with the least amount of (Government) coercion - so please specify your intended actions for this perceived problem.

    The issue isn't Ireland no matter how many people claim we have too many cows.
    What we do will have fook all bearing on the planet when Brazil are decimating the Amazonian rain forests, Russia is harvesting forests in Siberia the size of Wales every other year, China, India and the US are belching out fossil fuel gases at a rate of knots, and half of Africa and Asia is breeding like rabbits.

    One thing ordinary people can do is refuse to buy produce from certain countries.
    Very simple.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • #105
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    jmayo wrote: »
    I know that we have had effects such as less corncrakes, if any, appearing on our shores because meadows are not cut early due to advent of silage rather than hay.

    A lot of the damage done in Ireland were things like the English (yes those feckers) chopping down our forests and we lost things like bears, wolves, eagles, etc.

    Man has had huge influences around the planet and it isn't often like the dodo which was hunted into extinction.

    A lot of the time it is like Australia where the introduction of cats, rabbits, dogs has had a drastic effect on the indigenous animals who have never evolved to face these new threats.
    One of their crowning fookups was the introduction of the cane toad. :rolleyes:
    Likewise with New Zealand and the introduction of deer and possums which have huge influence on their natural habits.

    In the states they eventually copped on that the good old buffalo (yes we know they are really bison) had a much less destabilising effect on the prairie grasslands than all those cattle.

    The affects of huge growing populations in Africa has meant one of the last great sources of wild animals is no longer what was even a century ago.
    Then add in all the poaching, the incestant wars, the desertification of half the continent and the wild life are being forced in smaller and smaller pockets.

    The issue isn't Ireland no matter how many people claim we have too many cows.
    What we do will have fook all bearing on the planet when Brazil are decimating the Amazonian rain forests, Russia is harvesting forests in Siberia the size of Wales every other year, China, India and the US are belching out fossil fuel gases at a rate of knots, and half of Africa and Asia is breeding like rabbits.

    One thing ordinary people can do is refuse to buy produce from certain countries.
    Very simple.

    The single biggest introduction event that has had the most dramatic impact on the planet ecosystems was the spread of mankind itself millennia ago. You have touched on these impacts in the last paragraph above - ironically in Africa where human species allegedly first evolved.

    Every continent and island where humans subsequently spread suffered massive and quite often a catastrophic decline of native flora and fauna

    The island of Ireland before humans spread from europe had forests which stretched from coast to coast. Forget about the English the work of deforestation was started by our own forebearers. In the Americas there is evidence that the first humans drove the last mega fauna such as giant sloths into terminal decline

    Humans are the single biggest destructive force on the planet. As we have terraformed the planet to suit ourselves we have removed the habitats and resources on which other species depend.

    I noticed someone else got rilled with the expression that 'the earth will have the last laugh' on the basis that it encompasses a belief that the earth is sentient. A reading of Lovelocks book - Ghia certainly looks at this idea but places the idea of feedback mechanisms of biological processes at the front of much of the earths ability to maintain and repair its own biozone . The extinction of the dinasours wasn't an end of the planet - it simply provided opportunities for other species (inc. humans) to become the new dominant species. When humans wipe themselves of the planet or something does it for us - then the earths biozone will most likley merrily go on its way without even a look back - just as it has done succesfully in the past. What is certain above all is that the future can never be ours.


  • #106
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    This story has been in the inside pages of the news all week: pneumonic plague.
    1,300 infected in Madagascar, usually rural but this time has affected it's two largest cities.

    Let's hope they have IR temp detection kits at their Duty Free section!


  • #107
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    This deadly airborne plague in Madagascar is now at 'crisis' point and the 'worst outbreak in 50 years'. The WHO now states there are 1,801 suspected cases - significantly higher than the 1,309 it reported last Thursday. 2/3 of cases have been caused by 'airbone'.

    +37% every 5days could equate to 23,128 by 10th December (But dependent on pattern continuation and the amount of aid intervention).


  • #108
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,305 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    server down wrote: »
    Odd report that. From the graph you’d think this should have been noticed years ago.
    Unless it generates money, some things won't get reported much. That, and risk being put into the "mad scientist" category!
    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    It will lead to our extinction event.
    The war for resources may be the cause of our extinction, or but the threat to our extinction will cause wars.


  • #109
    Nabber
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭Nabber


    I love how people talk about humans during out to save the planet and the plants & creatures on the planet.

    Life it’s self is freakish with no scientific explanation of how it began, not only that but it’s a planet that now has beings that are self aware.

    The reason why the public turn a blind eye is because for the past 50 years we have been gojng through these sensationalist head lines and scare mongering.

    Hole in the OZone layer will burn everyone.
    Not enough food to feed the population
    No oil left
    No gas left

    All the deadlines have passed.


    The issue we as humans have money. Crash crops destroy our land. Coffee is aggressively grown along with coca and sugar cane. They are luxury crops but account for 90% of some countries plant exports.

    They people who are saving the planet by it having kids or by buy sustainable coffee beans. In my opinion you are deluded.

    Humans are the most precious thing on this planet.


  • #110
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    server down wrote: »
    Very few people in the west having that number kids.

    But it's westwards that the vast majority of the new billions will go.
    It's inevitable ........ maybe we should start planning for it.


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