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    #32
    conorhal
    Registered Users Posts: 6,986 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Does the 'A' stand for 'attack Helicopters'? I identify as an attack Helicopter. If not, THAT'S RACIST!!


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    #33
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Whats your proof of this?

    "Trans men (FTM) were found to have the same prevalence of
    lifetime suicide attempts (46%) regardless of whether
    they thought others can tell they are transgender.

    Female-assigned cross-dressers and gender
    non-conforming/genderqueer people assigned female
    at birth – the prevalence of lifetime suicide attempts
    was found to be higher among those who said other
    people “occasionally” or “never” can tell they are
    transgender or gender non-conforming, compared
    to those who said that other people “always,” most
    of the time,” or “sometimes” can tell. "

    https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf


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    #34
    mzungu
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,307 Mod ✭✭✭✭mzungu


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    The idea that the suicide rates are linked to social pressure is false,
    Not exactly, a lot of studies highlight the opposite. For example....
    The suicide attempt rate among transgender persons ranges from 32% to 50% across the countries. Gender-based victimization, discrimination, bullying, violence, being rejected by the family, friends, and community; harassment by intimate partner, family members, police and public; discrimination and ill treatment at health-care system are the major risk factors that influence the suicidal behavior among transgender persons. (Virupaksha, Muralidhar, and Ramakrishna 2016)

    Link: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5178031/

    The study above does highlight the links between social pressure and suicide across different countries.


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    #35
    Goodshape
    Registered Users Posts: 8,488 ✭✭✭Goodshape


    DoozerT6 wrote: »
    I always thought the Q stood for 'questioning' as in they weren't sure of their orientation?

    What's the IA+

    Q stands for both, Queer or Questioning. Plenty of people self identify as queer as a means to say "not straight" without necessarily pidgeon holing themselves with another more prescriptive label. It's a reclaimed word, although there are some who still don't like it's use.


    The IA+ is Intersex, Asexual, and 'plus' – as in "plus anyone else who wants or needs the support of the community".


    The acronym is imperfect and people and groups add letters from time to time to be more inclusive, welcoming, and supportive to more people. It's generally agreed that whatever acronym is used or displayed, it's not supposed to be limiting. The other letters are always there in spirit.

    It's still most commonly written as LGBT or LGBT+, though adding the Q is pretty popular too.




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    #36
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    To back up my other point

    "A 2011 study at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden produced the most illuminating results yet regarding the transgendered, evidence that should give advocates pause. The long-term study—up to 30 years—followed 324 people who had sex-reassignment surgery. The study revealed that beginning about 10 years after having the surgery, the transgendered began to experience increasing mental difficulties. Most shockingly, their suicide mortality rose almost 20-fold above the comparable nontransgender population. This disturbing result has as yet no explanation but probably reflects the growing sense of isolation reported by the aging transgendered after surgery. The high suicide rate certainly challenges the surgery prescription."

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-transgender-surgery-isnt-the-solution-1402615120


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    #37
    Dyr
    Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Can we all accept that non straight is the most accurate and elegant collective term even though that will cause epic whinging?


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    #38
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,880 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Bambi wrote: »
    Can we all accept that non straight is the most accurate and elegant collective term even though that will cause epic whinging?

    No

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #39
    Dyr
    Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    No

    I can't think of a more accurate or elegant term, can you?


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    #40
    snowflaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭snowflaker


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    It does, because if you start giving crazies a platform that embezzles itself into social norms without scientific evidence, that sets a dangerous precedent.


    Shows your attitude to mental illness...


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    #41
    snowflaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭snowflaker


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    To back up my other point

    "A 2011 study at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden produced the most illuminating results yet regarding the transgendered, evidence that should give advocates pause. The long-term study—up to 30 years—followed 324 people who had sex-reassignment surgery. The study revealed that beginning about 10 years after having the surgery, the transgendered began to experience increasing mental difficulties. Most shockingly, their suicide mortality rose almost 20-fold above the comparable nontransgender population. This disturbing result has as yet no explanation but probably reflects the growing sense of isolation reported by the aging transgendered after surgery. The high suicide rate certainly challenges the surgery prescription."

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-transgender-surgery-isnt-the-solution-1402615120

    Thats an OP-ED tbf


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    #42
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,880 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    To back up my other point

    "A 2011 study at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden produced the most illuminating results yet regarding the transgendered, evidence that should give advocates pause. The long-term study—up to 30 years—followed 324 people who had sex-reassignment surgery. The study revealed that beginning about 10 years after having the surgery, the transgendered began to experience increasing mental difficulties. Most shockingly, their suicide mortality rose almost 20-fold above the comparable nontransgender population. This disturbing result has as yet no explanation but probably reflects the growing sense of isolation reported by the aging transgendered after surgery. The high suicide rate certainly challenges the surgery prescription."

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-transgender-surgery-isnt-the-solution-1402615120


    The Swedish study that has been thoroughly debunked?


    http://transadvocate.com/fact-check-study-shows-transition-makes-trans-people-suicidal_n_15483.htm

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #43
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    snowflaker wrote: »
    Shows your attitude to mental illness...

    You know nothing about me.

    The crazies are the ones who enable such behavior, I don't blame the victims.


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    #44
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,880 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    snowflaker wrote: »
    Thats an OP-ED tbf

    From Paul McHugh known homophobe and transphobe

    https://freethoughtblogs.com/atg/2016/09/30/johns-hopkins-faculty-disavow-paul-mchughs-homophobic-and-transphobic-report/

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #45
    snowflaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭snowflaker


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    You know nothing about me.

    The crazies are the ones who enable such behavior, I don't blame the victims.

    referring to people as "crazies" shows it up perfectly imho


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    #46
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,880 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Bambi wrote: »
    I can't think of a more accurate or elegant term, can you?

    Maybe "diverse SOGI" is probably more accurate but not so elegant.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #47
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    The Swedish study that has been thoroughly debunked?

    But what, a pro trans site?

    Color me skeptical. The study speaks for itself.

    If all else fails call the guy who wrote it a homophobe and bigot sourcing a blog site.

    The study was printed in major publications.


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    #48
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,880 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    But what, a pro trans site?

    Color me skeptical. The study speaks for itself.

    If all else fails call the guy who wrote a homophobe and bigot.

    Know your sources. You are posting extremely biased transphobic and homophobic sources that have been discredited.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #49
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    snowflaker wrote: »
    referring to people as "crazies" shows it up perfectly imho

    Yup, that's what they are.

    Same as fat enablers.


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    #50
    RustyNut
    Registered Users Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    Bambi wrote: »
    I can't think of a more accurate or elegant term, can you?

    People, just people.


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    #51
    Goodshape
    Registered Users Posts: 8,488 ✭✭✭Goodshape


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    It does, because if you start giving crazies a platform that embezzles itself into social norms without scientific evidence, that sets a dangerous precedent.

    The acronym has nothing to do with science, or the suicide rate of transgender people. That's all way of topic.


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    #52
    Mr.Frame
    Registered Users Posts: 766 ✭✭✭Mr.Frame


    Bambi wrote: »
    They're worse than world of warcraft for levelling up

    Who exactly are "they"


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    #53
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    snowflaker wrote: »
    That's all way of topic.

    The US army now have to enroll transgender people as a requirement because they succumbed to Political pressure.

    Can you tell me how that makes America safer?


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    #54
    snowflaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭snowflaker


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    The US army now have to enroll transgender people as a requirement because they succumbed to Political pressure.

    Can you tell me how that makes America safer?

    thats not my quote


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    #55
    Mr.Frame
    Registered Users Posts: 766 ✭✭✭Mr.Frame


    ToddyDoody wrote: »
    It used to be GLBT until the lesbians threw their weight around and changed it to them first.

    As you can imagine, the gays were helpless in its defence.

    Were they ? how so,? im gay and I am curious as to why you think I as a gay man was helpless


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    #56
    Goodshape
    Registered Users Posts: 8,488 ✭✭✭Goodshape


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    The US army now have to enroll transgender people as a requirement because they succumbed to Political pressure.

    Can you tell me how that makes America safer?

    I can tell you what LGBTQIA+ means.


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    #57
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    snowflaker wrote: »
    thats not my quote

    Apologies. Boards is acting up.


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    #58
    Cantona's Collars
    Registered Users Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    DoozerT6 wrote: »
    I always thought the Q stood for 'questioning' as in they weren't sure of their orientation?

    What's the IA+

    I think it's a grade in the Junior Cert.


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    #59
    Mr.Frame
    Registered Users Posts: 766 ✭✭✭Mr.Frame


    Bambi wrote: »
    Can we all accept that non straight is the most accurate and elegant collective term even though that will cause epic whinging?


    No


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    #60
    Grayson
    Registered Users Posts: 16,136 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    The US army now have to enroll transgender people as a requirement because they succumbed to Political pressure.

    Can you tell me how that makes America safer?

    During the cold war spies were always on the look out for people who were gay and in the military. They could be blackmailed because obviously if they were in the military they were in the closet.

    Not caring about being gay or trans means that these people can't be blackmailed (Well, they could about other stuff but so can anyone).

    So that's how america is safer.

    It's also about not stopping someone from serving when it makes no difference to their ability.

    So it's a win-win.


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    #61
    Dyr
    Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Maybe "diverse SOGI" is probably more accurate but not so elegant.

    I demand elegance

    Otherwise we'll wind up with a queue of letters worthy of a monty python sketch


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