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NBA Regular Season & Playoffs 2017-18

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭Gregk961


    Boogie's been lighting up the stat sheet again this season but not getting much credit for it as usual. 29Pts, 14Reb, 6 Assists, 2 Blocks and 2 Steals per game.

    The load him and AD are carrying is immense. Averaging 56.5ppg between them and Davis missed a game(or two?)

    Boogie is possibly the best Center in the league but I fear we will never see him on a championship contender, the Pelicans will never be thats for sure. The more succesful teams will never take a chance on him.


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Kyree White Neckerchief


    Gregk961 wrote: »
    The load him and AD are carrying is immense. Averaging 56.5ppg between them and Davis missed a game(or two?)

    Boogie is possibly the best Center in the league but I fear we will never see him on a championship contender, the Pelicans will never be thats for sure. The more succesful teams will never take a chance on him.

    Isint boogies contract done this year? I could see him prioritising a championship contender


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭Gregk961


    Isint boogies contract done this year? I could see him prioritising a championship contender

    It is, but which contender is realistically going to be able to fit him under the cap?

    Watching Mavs-Timberwolves here, KAT is a beast but he has never had an easier game. The Mavs have no center to guard him he's just doing what he likes in the paint with very little effort on his part. Dallas are the worst team ive watched this year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,654 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    Gregk961 wrote: »
    Dallas are the worst team ive watched this year.

    You've clearly not seen Atlanta, they're downright awful.

    Remember this is a team that had the 4th seed two years ago, and 5th last year, they've blown it up with nothing (Schroeder excepted) to show for it apart from a roster full of second and third year players, none of whom are remotely close to top-level players.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,172 ✭✭✭✭kmart6


    You've clearly not seen Atlanta, they're downright awful.

    Atlanta 117 - 115 Cleveland :D.....although they made extremely hard work of it at the end.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,654 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    kmart6 wrote: »
    Atlanta 117 - 115 Cleveland :D.....although they made extremely hard work of it at the end.

    Yeah just saw that, nearly make a b*llocks of it entirely.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    Simmons with another triple double.

    Harden with 56 - a career high. I was surprised 56 was his career high though, thought he went higher before.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 584 ✭✭✭brady23


    Quick comparison of some of the best NBA rookies in the past 30 odd years puts what Simmons is doing in some great company.
    Comparable to Duncan, Shaq, Iverson and Blake while a tad behind MJ.

    I genuinely think we could be looking at a multiple MVP winner in the future.
    I know Blake hasn't really progressed much in terms of overall impact since his rookie season but one could argue he's a slight outlier from that perspective.

    Simmons weakest point is obviously his shooting but even with everyone dipping under his screens he's still finding players with space and getting to the rim at ease with incredible efficiency.
    I was high on him before but every game that passes he just gets more and more impressive.

    I'm so disappointed I couldn't get to the game in London especially after being offered tickets :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    brady23 wrote: »
    Quick comparison of some of the best NBA rookies in the past 30 odd years puts what Simmons is doing in some great company.
    Comparable to Duncan, Shaq, Iverson and Blake while a tad behind MJ.

    I genuinely think we could be looking at a multiple MVP winner in the future.
    I know Blake hasn't really progressed much in terms of overall impact since his rookie season but one could argue he's a slight outlier from that perspective.

    Simmons weakest point is obviously his shooting but even with everyone dipping under his screens he's still finding players with space and getting to the rim at ease with incredible efficiency.
    I was high on him before but every game that passes he just gets more and more impressive.

    I'm so disappointed I couldn't get to the game in London especially after being offered tickets :mad:

    +1 on not going to London, regret it now esp. as it's Boston too.

    Will catch both at some stage during the season in the US though so that'll make up for it.

    Going to Miami in 2 weeks and will see the Celtics play the Heat on the 22nd so looking forward to that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 584 ✭✭✭brady23


    I think we are witnessing the passing of the guard to a point this season.
    It's probably a tad premature given it's unlikely that any of these younger players are going to make waves in the post season.
    However I do think the likes of Porzingis, Towns, Embiid, Giannis, Davis, Simmons are fast becoming the poster boys of the NBA.

    The championship will obviously be decided by LeBron, Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Curry, Kyrie(could be in the younger group) etc but I think the gap has shrunk alot more than I expected over the summer.

    LeBron, Durant, Kawhi etc could be challenged as the NBA alphas alot sooner than expected


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    brady23 wrote: »
    I think we are witnessing the passing of the guard to a point this season.
    It's probably a tad premature given it's unlikely that any of these younger players are going to make waves in the post season.
    However I do think the likes of Porzingis, Towns, Embiid, Giannis, Davis, Simmons are fast becoming the poster boys of the NBA.

    The championship will obviously be decided by LeBron, Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Curry, Kyrie(could be in the younger group) etc but I think the gap has shrunk alot more than I expected over the summer.

    LeBron, Durant, Kawhi etc could be challenged as the NBA alphas alot sooner than expected

    +1.

    The shift towards youth has been astonishing, both in terms of the shift itself and also the relative quickness in which it happened.

    You have players in the first 3 years of their careers truly dominating, and a large number of them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭Gregk961


    brady23 wrote: »
    I think we are witnessing the passing of the guard to a point this season.
    It's probably a tad premature given it's unlikely that any of these younger players are going to make waves in the post season.
    However I do think the likes of Porzingis, Towns, Embiid, Giannis, Davis, Simmons are fast becoming the poster boys of the NBA.

    The championship will obviously be decided by LeBron, Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Curry, Kyrie(could be in the younger group) etc but I think the gap has shrunk alot more than I expected over the summer.

    LeBron, Durant, Kawhi etc could be challenged as the NBA alphas alot sooner than expected

    Agree with almost all of that, although I dont think its fair to put Kawhi in the same bracket as LeBron and Durant. He is only 26 or so and has improved as an all round player each year, I dont think we've seen the bottom of his talent yet.

    Id say we another 2 years of Golden State/Cleveland dominance and then these younger superstars can start battling for championships.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    Gregk961 wrote: »

    Id say we another 2 years of Golden State/Cleveland dominance and then these younger superstars can start battling for championships.

    Hopefully. TBH the real interesting story this year has been the Rookie class. I'm a bit fed up of the GS (and to a lesser degree Cavs) dominance, even if I can appreciate the individual and collective brilliance of what they're doing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 584 ✭✭✭brady23


    Bledsoe for Monroe, 1st round protected(not sure what num yet) and 2nd rounder.

    Given the relationship that has developed, it's not horrific provided it's not like Top 12 protected.
    Monroe will be a FA after the summer so he's essentially a rental.
    Sun's are ****e so who basically cares, McDonough is essentially running them into the ground at every opportunity.

    As far as the Bucks go it's a weird move imo. I mean Bledsoe is a poor enough 3pt shooter, he hasn't displayed particularly good play making ability and his touted defensive chops are more theoretical than anything else.

    Perhaps he'll get some sort of renaissance but I'm not completely sure he's the most complimentary piece to Giannis given Brogdan shoots 40% from 3. He should be an upgrade on the defensive end given Brogdan is a total liability but I suppose Kidd has been great so far so it's hard to be know. It's a tough one to assess I think


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭Gregk961


    Thought Bledsoe a very strange one myself, hasnt the Bucks whole philosophy been to draft/sign long, athletic types? Bledsoe is a pretty solid guard but dosnt really fit into their M.O up to this point. Maybe they realise they have a chance of going far in the east and think he can tip them over the edge.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    Strange trade. I know Phoenix would have taken a few basketballs and some bottles of water for Bledsoe, but I don't think he's a perfect fit for Milwaukee either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    brady23 wrote: »
    Bledsoe for Monroe, 1st round protected(not sure what num yet) and 2nd rounder.

    Given the relationship that has developed, it's not horrific provided it's not like Top 12 protected.
    Monroe will be a FA after the summer so he's essentially a rental.
    Sun's are ****e so who basically cares, McDonough is essentially running them into the ground at every opportunity.

    As far as the Bucks go it's a weird move imo. I mean Bledsoe is a poor enough 3pt shooter, he hasn't displayed particularly good play making ability and his touted defensive chops are more theoretical than anything else.

    Perhaps he'll get some sort of renaissance but I'm not completely sure he's the most complimentary piece to Giannis given Brogdan shoots 40% from 3. He should be an upgrade on the defensive end given Brogdan is a total liability but I suppose Kidd has been great so far so it's hard to be know. It's a tough one to assess I think

    How he hasn't been fired is a mystery.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    Suns looking to shop Monroe or buy him out.

    Why trade for him at all then? Even if you want rid of Bledsoe?


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Kyree White Neckerchief


    Suns looking to shop Monroe or buy him out.

    Why trade for him at all then? Even if you want rid of Bledsoe?

    Cap relief and a pick


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    Cap relief and a pick

    I know( sorry, thought my sarcasm, frustration and disbelief were obvious but I guess not!

    Must be incredibly annoying if you're the player in that scenario. Well unless you're bought out and get a new deal quickly I guess.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,951 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    Celtics managed a win last night, after losing Horford (worryingly) to concussion from the Atlanta game, and also Tatum sometime in the 2nd quarter. On the plus side Rozier, Theis and particularly Baynes played well on more minutes than they were probably expecting.

    Morris also looked good, and Smart his usual self, good defence and erratic shooting !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    Boston with a league-best 10-2 record. Won't last but they've already over-performed. GS next week (or maybe it's the week after) will bring them back to earth pretty quickly you'd imagine. The East looks so poor however that Boston could conceivably top the East regular standings if they keep this up.

    Cleveland, Clippers and OKC out of the Top 8 in their respective conferences. Far too early to make sweeping statements but I'd wager the Cavs are in the most trouble.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭Gregk961


    Cleveland, Clippers and OKC out of the Top 8 in their respective conferences. Far too early to make sweeping statements but I'd wager the Cavs are in the most trouble.

    Out of those 3? I reckon the Clippers and Thunder are in a far worse place than the Cavs. OKC in particular look completely lost at the moment. They are still the best team in their conference(apart from the Celtics possibly) and have beaten the Celtics, Wizards and the Bucks twice already this season. I think even if they get into a bit of a hole they could easily rattle off 10 in a row and get into the top 4 in a couple of weeks.

    Edit: The Cavs defense is awful, it looks to be run the same as last year which was atrocious for a top team.


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Kyree White Neckerchief


    Celtics beat okc

    any decent team should get out of the east handy enough by the end of it and anyone that does not was not really a playoff threat anyway


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 584 ✭✭✭brady23


    Thunder is what I expected, looks like GSW at times and look like a bunch of headless chickens at other times.

    Clippers are in some ways out performing expectations given the depth in the West, CP3 doesn't look the miss I thought he might.

    Cavs clearly miss Kyrie more than we expected. Personally I think IT will regress, he basically peaked last year imo. Love hasn't made the step up.

    I see both sides:

    I think the Clippers are in the most trouble from a positional standpoint.

    The Thunder are in the most trouble from a fan perception and 2k18 ratings fantasy banana boat standpoint

    Cavs are in the most trouble because they are legit contenders who look in trouble with an aging roster, basically player coach and no real game plan.

    I can see the Cavs getting knocked off their perch this year, Boston are getting better, Bucks are too, I don't know if the Cavs are finally starting to feel the gap narrowing.


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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Kyree White Neckerchief


    Worth noting a big issue the cavs may have with it is that brad Stephens has consistently gotten the most out of players I don't know if lebron/Lue can do that


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    I still think the Cavs are in the worst place.

    There doesn't appear in hindsight to be any logic to the roster that the Cavs have put together. They put players based on names and what they did in the past, rather than actual needs.

    I've said Lue is a joke from the start, basically a fraud in the Mike Brown league - it's clear LeBron is effectively running the whole show there. When you see the transformation of Kyrie under Stephens in a well run offence and at both ends of the court, you really have to wonder WTF Lue is doing from coaching and motivational standpoints - apart from nothing of course. On Kyrie, I was very concerned Boston gave away too much, now it looks like they got the better deal. It also raises the question of how intimidating LeBron is to his teammates being the fulcrum through which everything revolves around....and does he make them better or scare them into freezing. Kyrie looks a much better all-round player freed from under his shadow tbh. Maybe Kyrie was lazy or didn't respect the coaching staff in Cleveland too (Brown, Scott, Blatt, Lue - in fairness would you blame him?), but he just looks like a star reborn in Boston.

    They (the Cavs) could still pull it together and win the East outright on Lebron's back alone, but they will get hammered by any team coming out of the West. Hammered. I wouldn't rule out some major activity at trade time or before then as they seek to improve the roster.

    The team I fear in the East is Washington IF they can swing the Boogie trade. They're one of the few teams with assets to do so, and the window for them is now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 584 ✭✭✭brady23


    Cavs Celtics trade was always better on paper for the Cavs for some of the reasons mentioned.

    IT peaked last year (I assume) and his defensive frailties were hidden as well as anyone not named Pop could manage.
    Crowder is the epitome of maximising a players potential so their ability always looked more than what is truly there.

    Kyrie was always going to appear better without LBJ perhaps not as much as he's shown thus far but definitely better.

    In terms of value it's basically looking like is 120% of Cavs Kyrie worth more than 70% Crowder/IT combo and a top 5 pick?

    I still think Cavs got the better deal given Crowder has arguably the most team friendly contract in the NBA and a top 5 pick in 2018 gets you a shot at 3 or 4 players who would have arguably been No1 pick in 2017 draft


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,951 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    the nets are 4-6 so far. I think part of the thinking was that Danny Ainge thought they were not going to be as bad again, and the draft pick was not as valuable as people were thinking.

    I can't say I know who all the teams with worse records than the nets have played, or the difficulty of their schedules, but they are far from the worst records so far !! The only bad part of the trade for the Celtics is Crowder IMO


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 584 ✭✭✭brady23


    Magic x2, Suns x2, Nuggets x2, Cavs, Lakers, Hawks, Knicks and Pacers.

    Id be confident to think they've probably had one of the easier if not the easiest schedule of the season thus far.

    https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/ranking/schedule-strength-by-other

    Nets are last with Cavs 2nd last


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    2smiggy wrote: »
    the nets are 4-6 so far. I think part of the thinking was that Danny Ainge thought they were not going to be as bad again, and the draft pick was not as valuable as people were thinking.

    I can't say I know who all the teams with worse records than the nets have played, or the difficulty of their schedules, but they are far from the worst records so far !! The only bad part of the trade for the Celtics is Crowder IMO

    Was reported after the trade on numerous pods the Celtics analytics team did their win projections on Brooklyn and had them being outside the top 5 (maybe even 7, I'm not 100% sure) sovthey figured the Nets pick wasn't actually all that valuable in reality. Dealing it pre-season when many thought the Nets would still be bottom 3 was in hindsight a master stroke from Ainge if it holds that they land after the 5 pick.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,724 ✭✭✭mixery


    Tatum is so smooth, he makes good use of that lanky body.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,951 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    mixery wrote: »
    Tatum is so smooth, he makes good use of that lanky body.

    at the time I thought the celtics should have kept the no. 1 pick, but maybe Danny was actually telling the truth and Tatum was actually the pick they wanted all along. Jackson could be very good too, but he seems to have had a few run ins with the police already, so glad he was not picked. Now if the lakers would land the 2 to 5 pick (don't think it will happen) it would be great altogether :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    2smiggy wrote: »
    at the time I thought the celtics should have kept the no. 1 pick, but maybe Danny was actually telling the truth and Tatum was actually the pick they wanted all along. Jackson could be very good too, but he seems to have had a few run ins with the police already, so glad he was not picked. Now if the lakers would land the 2 to 5 pick (don't think it will happen) it would be great altogether :D

    It's a great move by the Celtics to flip the picks, get the guy they wanted all along AND get a pick back for it. I was a little skeptical at the time, but with this and the trading the Brooklyn pick, Ainge has pulled off a couple of masterstrokes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    Meant to post this earlier but never hit the "Post Reply" button.

    Celtics win 12th straight sans Kyrie and with DeRozan missing two relatively easy shots at game winners.

    Gobert out a month with a leg injury. Will hurt the Jazz.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭Gregk961


    Says a lot about the Celtics that they can win 12 straight without Hayward and now Kyrie for the last 2. They look a pretty safe bet for the 1 seed now and you would think they will give the Cavs a good run for the conference come playoff time. One thing for certain they have a coach who can take them all the way if he gets another piece or two.

    Spurs keep winning without half their team aswell, between Pop and Stevens we have 2 brilliant coaches in the Nba.


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Kyree White Neckerchief


    Stevens must have coach of the year half sewn up already right?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭NufcNavan


    Stevens must have coach of the year half sewn up already right?

    He's incredible. I'm really jealous of the Cs right now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    For me, it's Pop, always Pop. What he's done with his teams consistently over a long period of time, the 50+ win seasons, the culture he's instilled, the managing minutes and rest (he was way ahead of anyone on this), and the team philosophy make him the greatest ever. They could even have had a 70 win season last season if they didn't take the foot off the breaks in the last few weeks - without Duncan. And I say all this a Celtics fan.

    Stevens however looks the heir apparent. He's no doubt helped by the talent he has at his disposal and the roster that he and Ainge have put together, but he looks like the real deal. I wouldn't give anyone COTY in November though as a lot can happen between now and May.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭Gregk961


    For me, it's Pop, always Pop. What he's done with his teams consistently over a long period of time, the 50+ win seasons, the culture he's instilled, the managing minutes and rest (he was way ahead of anyone on this), and the team philosophy make him the greatest ever. They could even have had a 70 win season last season if they didn't take the foot off the breaks in the last few weeks - without Duncan. And I say all this a Celtics fan.

    Stevens however looks the heir apparent. He's no doubt helped by the talent he has at his disposal and the roster that he and Ainge have put together, but he looks like the real deal. I wouldn't give anyone COTY in November though as a lot can happen between now and May.

    Pop is the best coach in the league but it would be like giving Lebron MVP every year. Best coach of all time for me aswell wouldnt even call it that close.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,731 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    Loving what I'm seeing from the Sixers this year :D

    Robert Covington should be a lock for MIP


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,654 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    Stevens however looks the heir apparent. He's no doubt helped by the talent he has at his disposal and the roster that he and Ainge have put together, but he looks like the real deal. I wouldn't give anyone COTY in November though as a lot can happen between now and May.

    Over 4 years ago now, seems my plea for patience was heeded :D

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=85384040&postcount=128
    I think Stevens is an inspired choice. The work he did at Butler with what he had available to him was incredible (granted it wasn't always pretty to watch, but it was effective). To be honest, I'd get Rondo out of there now and let it be a proper rebuild from scratch and he's a good person to get it done. But it will take time....

    The only danger for him is that the some of the louder elements of the Celts fanbase (i.e those who don't see the bigger picture to having to tank next season) have him lynched before the All-Star break.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,292 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    I was in Boston recently and went to the Celtics v Hornets game,

    What an experience it was, Loved it. Watched their game on the Sunday in a Sports bar and it was a great experience too.

    Do many of you watch the games live or just catch up on youtube?

    Also how does one afford a season ticket there :eek: not that I know how much it it, just basing it on the price of general ticket prices.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭Gregk961



    Also how does one afford a season ticket there :eek: not that I know how much it it, just basing it on the price of general ticket prices.

    Its actually pretty affordable provided you are happy enough with lower priced seating. You realistically arnt going to 41 games during the season so you can sell/share the remainder which really cuts the cost down.

    You could get average enough seats at the Celtics about 2 years ago for $4000, paid off over 12 months. Share the ticket with a friend or sell half of them and your talking about $160 per month(you can pay it off over 12 months if you wish) for 20 or so games. Not exactly a small expense but id say its justifiable for a lot of people.

    The teams that are gunning for championships are usually paying a luxury tax to the league for going over the wage cap which usually leads to increased ticket prices, so in general the better the team you support the more you will pay for your season ticket.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    I was in Boston recently and went to the Celtics v Hornets game,

    What an experience it was, Loved it. Watched their game on the Sunday in a Sports bar and it was a great experience too.

    Do many of you watch the games live or just catch up on youtube?

    Also how does one afford a season ticket there :eek: not that I know how much it it, just basing it on the price of general ticket prices.

    +1 on what previous poster said AND there's a LOT of very rich people in the states. An awful lot. I work for an American company and I'm there a lot with work. It never ceases to amaze me the amount of wealthy people there are there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,457 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    I'm in Minneapolis with work. Decided to go see the Timberwolves-Spurs game. Karl-Anthony Towns is a quality player!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    Joel Embiid has a good night. :)

    46 Pts, 15 Rebs, 7 blocks and 7 assists in 34mins.

    Simmons also almost had another triple double, missed it by 1 rebound, Md also had 5 steals.

    Trust the process.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,731 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,731 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    And uhhh... Lonzo Ball.

    1-9 FG (0-6 3P)
    -18 +/-
    In 21 minutes.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭NufcNavan


    K.O.Kiki wrote: »
    And uhhh... Lonzo Ball.

    1-9 FG (0-6 3P)
    -18 +/-
    In 21 minutes.

    Did someone say BUST.

    But seriously, why is he being allowed to shoot SIX three pointers when he's a lousy shooter.


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