All diesel fuel is not the same

Seth Brundle · 17-09-2019 9:27am

mikeecho wrote: »

Right.. so what do you want me to do, to show the difference in fuel colour.

Keyboard warriors will always find fault with something.
I've no intention of spending money to show what I already know.

I'll put fuel from brand A into one plastic bottle, and ditto with brand B

I'll take a pic tomorrow.

As I was probably the first to question your claim, I'll take your bait.
I responded as I have a scientific background. Any "test" should be on equal terms so having the liquids in visibly different coloured containers while saying look how the liquids are a different colour is going to raise eyebrows.
Nothing to do with being a keyboard warrior. Just looking for a fair test.

HailSatan · 17-09-2019 9:40am

Seth Brundle wrote: »

As I was probably the first to question your claim, I'll take your bait.
I responded as I have a scientific background. Any "test" should be on equal terms so having the liquids in visibly different coloured containers while saying look how the liquids are a different colour is going to raise eyebrows.
Nothing to do with being a keyboard warrior. Just looking for a fair test.

Did he make a decent interim attempt to address it

mikeecho · 17-09-2019 11:15am

Here's a pic in plastic bottles.

https://i.ibb.co/TtpL9vk/IMG-20190917-110812.jpg

And here I have switched their positions, in case someone complains that the angle of the light was causing an issue.

https://i.ibb.co/j579Lyv/IMG-20190917-110803.jpg

Seth Brundle · 17-09-2019 11:20am

That's better - the difference is clear now, thank you.
Do you know if there are any additives in one (based on brand marketing) and not in the other?

Mena Mitty · 17-09-2019 11:25am

mikeecho wrote: »

Here's a pic in plastic bottles.

https://i.ibb.co/TtpL9vk/IMG-20190917-110812.jpg

And here I have switched their positions, in case someone complains that the angle of the light was causing an issue.

https://i.ibb.co/j579Lyv/IMG-20190917-110803.jpg

If they are two different brands of diesel they're not going to be the same colour.

I find the same thing happens if I buy two different brands of sunflower oil for cooking.

mikeecho · 17-09-2019 11:27am

Brand A: (the darker one) is Maxol, bought on 16/9/19 at Lwr Glanmire Rd.

Brand B: Circle K, regular diesel,
bought on 16/9/19 at Lwr Glanmire Rd.

mikeecho · 17-09-2019 11:29am

Mena Mitty wrote: »

If they are two different brands of diesel they're not going to be the same colour.

I find the same thing happens if I buy two different brands of sunflower oil for cooking.

I was just showing that there is a difference with fuel from different stations.

Your sunflower oil is coming from various farms.

In cork, I would have thought that all of our fuel came from Whitegate refinery which is only 30km away from both of these stations.

I'm half tempted to get a drop of diesel from AppleGreen and put that into a 3rd bottle.

Big Nasty · 17-09-2019 11:36am

mikeecho wrote: »

In cork, I would have thought that all of our fuel came from Whitegate refinery which is only 30km away from both of these stations.

Probably so, but each distributor may mix in their own additives before it hits the pumps

KCross · 17-09-2019 11:38am

mikeecho wrote: »

I was just showing that there is a difference with fuel from different stations.

Your sunflower oil is coming from various farms.

In cork, I would have thought that all of our fuel came from Whitegate refinery which is only 30km away from both of these stations.

I'm half tempted to get a drop of diesel from AppleGreen and put that into a 3rd bottle.

Both brands might get their diesel from the same refinery but the additive for each brand is added when they are loading the truck at the refinery.

Sittingpretty · 17-09-2019 11:40am

mikeecho wrote: »

Brand A: (the darker one) is Maxol, bought on 16/9/19 at Lwr Glanmire Rd.

Brand B: Circle K, regular diesel,
bought on 16/9/19 at Lwr Glanmire Rd.

You know that both those stations are fuelled by fuel from either Foynes or Whitegate?

It all comes from the same tanks no matter the brand, some might have additives and some may not but all fuel you buy in this country is ultimately from the same place.

Sittingpretty · 17-09-2019 11:41am

Apologies. I see you already mentioned Whitegate

KCross · 17-09-2019 11:46am

Sittingpretty wrote: »

You know that both those stations are fuelled by fuel from either Foynes or Whitegate?

It all comes from the same tanks no matter the brand, some might have additives and some may not but all fuel you buy in this country is ultimately from the same place.

Well.... some of it could come from other more nefarious sources!

But I think a major Maxol and Circle K station are probably getting it from legal sources and the different additive is the reason for colour difference in this case.

HailSatan · 17-09-2019 12:01pm

KCross wrote: »

Both brands might get their diesel from the same refinery but the additive for each brand is added when they are loading the truck at the refinery.

So...

All diesel fuel is not the same?

KCross · 17-09-2019 12:12pm

HailSatan wrote: »

So...

All diesel fuel is not the same?

Correct, the thread title is accurate!

Sittingpretty · 17-09-2019 12:30pm

HailSatan wrote: »

So...

All diesel fuel is not the same?

It is all the same.

Some companies pay the refinery more for additives to preserve/improve fuel.

HailSatan · 17-09-2019 12:30pm

KCross wrote: »

Correct, the thread title is accurate!

You'd swear mikeecho had said diesel causes autism or something such was the negative reaction

HailSatan · 17-09-2019 12:31pm

Improve wrt what... Other fuels that are exactly the same?

pippip · 17-09-2019 12:39pm

HailSatan wrote: »

So...

All diesel fuel is not the same?

Sittingpretty wrote: »

It is all the same.

Some companies pay the refinery more for additives to preserve/improve fuel.

Yes.....making it not the same

punisher5112 · 17-09-2019 12:43pm

Rusty tank....

Maybe

josip · 17-09-2019 12:59pm

mikeecho wrote: »

Here's a pic in plastic bottles.

https://i.ibb.co/TtpL9vk/IMG-20190917-110812.jpg

And here I have switched their positions, in case someone complains that the angle of the light was causing an issue.

https://i.ibb.co/j579Lyv/IMG-20190917-110803.jpg

More Vitamin B12 in the one on the left

Sittingpretty · 17-09-2019 1:48pm

pippip wrote: »

Yes.....making it not the same

Tomayto tomato

HailSatan · 17-09-2019 1:51pm

josip wrote: »

More Vitamin B12 in the one on the left

Which left

Car99 · 17-09-2019 1:53pm

The one on the left shows signs of dehydration and maybe using too much berroca.

Kenny Logins · 17-09-2019 1:55pm

Do we need to crowdfund a test kit here or what?

https://fuelmonitrix.ie/product/diesel-test-kit/

ELM327 · 17-09-2019 1:55pm

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

All this talk of daysul and not a drop of green in sight

Its red these days

josip · 17-09-2019 2:00pm

HailSatan wrote: »

Which left

My left

mikeecho · 19-09-2019 6:16pm

So, a little update.

I pulled into a 3rd brand of petrol station today (I won't be naming it at this moment in time)

My car was fairly full so I wouldn't have needed much fuel, so I pumped about 2L into my car, and then very slowly pumped about half a litre into a clean water bottle that I had.

All this was done with the intention of posting the colour result up here.
(The third bottle has a sight blue tint to it so I was going to decant it into the same type of bottle as was previously used)

Anyway, as I was slowly pumping the fuel into the bottle, I noticed a fleck of something travel, with the fuel into the bottle.

Let's have a look

In conclusion, Brand C is a lot closer in colour to Brand B (circle k) but it has a nice lump of black stuff in it.

HailSatan · 19-09-2019 6:29pm

I can hear wailing and gnashing of teeth already. Who shall be first to call for burning the heretic?

josip · 19-09-2019 6:40pm

How do you get diesel into a 500ml water bottle without spilling it?
Do you carry a funnel around with you?

mikeecho · 19-09-2019 6:43pm

josip wrote: »

How do you get diesel into a 500ml water bottle without spilling it?
Do you carry a funnel around with you?

Carefully pull the trigger very lightly.

HailSatan · 19-09-2019 6:50pm

josip wrote: »

How do you get diesel into a 500ml water bottle without spilling it?
Do you carry a funnel around with you?

He's a witch!

mikeecho · 20-09-2019 2:37pm

I've banged off an email to Company HQ of "brand C" , and I'm awaiting a reply.

I sent them pics of the fuel with lumps floating in it and the receipt.

Let's see what they say.

Car99 · 20-09-2019 4:28pm

mikeecho wrote: »

I've banged off an email to Company HQ of "brand C" , and I'm awaiting a reply.

I sent them pics of the fuel with lumps floating in it and the receipt.

Let's see what they say.

They'll say the station has a rusty fuel tank.

pippip · 20-09-2019 4:33pm

mikeecho wrote: »

I've banged off an email to Company HQ of "brand C" , and I'm awaiting a reply.

I sent them pics of the fuel with lumps floating in it and the receipt.

Let's see what they say.

I'll pi$$ myself laughing if they come back giving out to you for not using a suitable container.

mikeecho · 20-09-2019 4:34pm

Initial response

Hi mikeecho,

I have sent this email onto our fuel department and will get back to you as soon as I hear anything,

There will also be a test carried out on the fuel,

We did a quick test there on site and no visible dirt was found but I will get it off for further testing,

Thank you for your feed back and I will be in contact,

If you wish to contact me directly from Monday you can do so on 0xxxxxxxx,

Kind regards,

Xyz xyz

Site Manager

colm_mcm · 20-09-2019 5:05pm

I can’t see them admitting the fuel is dirty.

BorneTobyWilde · 20-09-2019 5:15pm

Colour depends on the amount of Fatty acids, tallow, Me esters , or Fatty acids, vegetable oil, Me esters that was added. The more added, the more it looks like '' new vegetable oil colour''
The diesel with less has that greeny tint.

mikeecho · 20-09-2019 8:40pm

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Colour depends on the amount of Fatty acids, tallow, Me esters , or Fatty acids, vegetable oil, Me esters that was added. The more added, the more it looks like '' new vegetable oil colour''
The diesel with less has that greeny tint.

So which diesel would be considered a better mix?
The lighter one with the greeny tint I'm presuming.

mikeecho · 20-09-2019 8:43pm

colm_mcm wrote: »

I can’t see them admitting the fuel is dirty.

I don't see that happening either.
I'm sure they'll tell me that they have thoroughly checked the fuel and that it meets and exceeds the required standards.

But I'll know where I won't be buying fuel.

Darc19 · 20-09-2019 8:47pm

One is probably supplied from whitegate refinery
One is probably supplied by pembokeshire refinery.

Diesel color changes slightly during the year too depending on chemicals required to refine it.

Google "the color of diesel fuel - well-worth products"

Toyotafanboi · 20-09-2019 8:58pm

Is there no way that that piece of black stuff could be external contamination? The fuel is filtered out of the pumps iirc so it's hard to imagine a chunk that big making it through? Could it be forecourt debris from the ground or a breeze, could it have entered at any point between the bottle being emptied of water and filled with diesel? Could it have come from the diesel pump handle which are generally filthy?

I'm not saying it didn't come from the pump but I still dont think this is really scientific enough to go finger pointing.

You're effectively putting forward the idea that 66% of the random diesel purchases you've made may not be fit for purpose, which if that was anything like reality, there'd be a lot more broken down cars.

mikeecho · 20-09-2019 9:51pm

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Is there no way that that piece of black stuff could be external contamination? The fuel is filtered out of the pumps iirc so it's hard to imagine a chunk that big making it through? Could it be forecourt debris from the ground or a breeze, could it have entered at any point between the bottle being emptied of water and filled with diesel? Could it have come from the diesel pump handle which are generally filthy?

I'm not saying it didn't come from the pump but I still dont think this is really scientific enough to go finger pointing.

You're effectively putting forward the idea that 66% of the random diesel purchases you've made may not be fit for purpose, which if that was anything like reality, there'd be a lot more broken down cars.

I'm not saying anything of the sort.
I have never stated that any of the fuels were not fit for purpose.
I just showed examples of what I have purchased.

But hey... Dust off the crucifix, gather the pitch forks, light the torches, and saddle up the horses.

And as for the black piece of material.. I saw it enter the bottle, from the nossel with my own eyes.

Eye witness testimony isn't worth much these days.

mikeecho · 20-09-2019 9:57pm

I started this thread to show that there was a difference between fuel from different stations.

And I'm sorry I did.

I'll follow up with brand C myself.
I don't expect much to happen.

I'm going to throw my toys out of the pram now and give up on this thread.

MIKEKC · 20-09-2019 10:09pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Its red these days

It's green in the south of Ireland

greasepalm · 20-09-2019 10:11pm

I would believe you in different colours of diesel,anybody remember Duckhams oil from many years ago 20w-50 as it was green and easily read on the dipstick.I dont use diesel so cannot say if one was better but be sure the bad one may stop/clog your fuel filter.
Visions of pram with no toys wheeling a 5 gallon container of diesel around.

Steve · 21-09-2019 1:26am

Isn't this why cars have fuel filters?

It could just as easily been a random fly that died in the filler nozzle.

Rodin · 21-09-2019 1:40am

HPLC chromatography chart or GTFO

honda boi · 21-09-2019 1:17pm

mikeecho wrote: »

I started this thread to show that there was a difference between fuel from different stations.

And I'm sorry I did.

I'll follow up with brand C myself.
I don't expect much to happen.

I'm going to throw my toys out of the pram now and give up on this thread.

I enjoy reading this thread.
Fair play to you for showing us this.
I find it interesting.
Seems you post anything you'd be crucified if someone has a different view.

Miike · 21-09-2019 10:23pm

honda boi wrote: »

I enjoy reading this thread.
Fair play to you for showing us this.
I find it interesting.
Seems you post anything you'd be crucified if someone has a different view.

^ this.

People here expecting a double blind step wedge cluster randomised control trial from some lad buying diesel in cork. Get a grip!

Gmac78 · 14-10-2019 10:00pm

There’s no problem with the fuel. It’s due to the varying levels of bio content used. It varies across all fuel tanks

All diesel fuel is not the same

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