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2020 officially saw a record number of $1 billion weather and climate disasters.

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  • #352
    Oneiric 3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Banana Republic 1 wrote: »
    Ive been caught up in the covid threads in the last couple of days.

    How boring.

    New Moon



  • #353
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    why corporate climate pledges of net zero emissions should trigger a healthy dose of skepticism
    https://theconversation.com/why-corporate-climate-pledges-of-net-zero-emissions-should-trigger-a-healthy-dose-of-skepticism-156386


  • #354
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    “Antarctica’s ice shelves are trembling as global temperatures rise – what happens next is up to us”

    https://theconversation.com/antarcticas-ice-shelves-are-trembling-as-global-temperatures-rise-what-happens-next-is-up-to-us-158540


  • #355
    Nabber
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭Nabber


    Banana Republic 1 wrote: »
    “Antarctica’s ice shelves are trembling as global temperatures rise – what happens next is up to us”

    https://theconversation.com/antarcticas-ice-shelves-are-trembling-as-global-temperatures-rise-what-happens-next-is-up-to-us-158540

    At what point is it a run away climate?


  • #356
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Nabber wrote: »
    At what point is it a run away climate?

    Presumably beyond 1.5 degrees.


  • #357
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Akrasia wrote: »
    Just for perspective. It’s taken a year for 2 million people to die from Covid, and this has shut down the global economy ( and rightly so)

    We’re getting ever closer to unsurvivable heatwaves in heavily populated parts of the world

    What happens when 5 million people die suddenly in a week when WB temps go above 37c and the power grid fails

    That’s a genuine question by the way

    Millions of people, women, men, children, dying suddenly in a short space of time because their bodies cannot cool down because the air is warmer than their skin. Power grids aren’t designed to take that A/C load, so there will be brownouts and failures. Not only poor people die, but people who thought they had prepared and mitigated for such events are killed too

    It might start as a once off ‘extreme’ event

    But what happens when it happens again and millions more die

    Suddenly the cost of geoengineering seems small compared to millions of innocent people dropping dead in a horrific slow motion car crash

    When? You mean IF.


  • #358
    Pa ElGrande
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,633 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Graces7 wrote: »
    When? You mean IF.

    He's been spending too much time reading the book of Revelations, all those plagues, unbearable heat, cataclysms of all sorts, except flooding! That's not mentioned. God stuck to his word to date, he said he wouldn't do it again. (Isaiah 54:9) :D

    The solution as always: admit your sinful nature, and repent.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • #359
    Oneiric 3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    'Study' shows that the 2018 'Beast from the East' was a direct result of poor Arctic ice cover:

    https://weather.com/news/climate/video/arctic-ice-loss-powered-2018-beast-of-the-east-snowstorm-in-europe-study-says-0

    And that more snowfalls in Europe can be expected because of this. The very opposite of what 'the experts' were telling us only a few years back.

    But how is it that Siberian sourced winterly easterlies were far more common across northern Europe (including Ireland) in times when winter Arctic sea ice was far more expansive? This question is curiously not addressed.

    New Moon



  • #360
    Gaoth Laidir
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Oneiric 3 wrote: »
    'Study' shows that the 2018 'Beast from the East' was a direct result of poor Arctic ice cover:

    https://weather.com/news/climate/video/arctic-ice-loss-powered-2018-beast-of-the-east-snowstorm-in-europe-study-says-0

    And that more snowfalls in Europe can be expected because of this. The very opposite of what 'the experts' were telling us only a few years back.

    But how is it that Siberian sourced winterly easterlies were far more common across northern Europe (including Ireland) in times when winter Arctic sea ice was far more expansive? This question is curiously not addressed.

    Not one mention of who these scientists are or where we can see the papers. Just take her word for it.

    This is the level of "evidence" reporting that the general public is supposed to swallow. We see climate change being thrown into the list of causes of everything from migration of seagulls inland to the spread of coronavirus, without any questioning. It's become second nature at this stage.


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  • #361
    Danno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Oneiric 3 wrote: »
    'Study' shows that the 2018 'Beast from the East' was a direct result of poor Arctic ice cover

    Given that the arctic sea ice cover levels in early 2018 were virtually identical to the levels seen in early 2017, I do have to ask - where was the BTFE in late winter 2016-7?


  • #362
    Nabber
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭Nabber


    The art is in using wiggle words... "More Likely"... "Could be"... "Increased Chance"... and so on.
    It's creative writing at it's best and in general difficult to disprove the accuracy as there is no accurate prediction.
    I have an increased chance of winning he lotto as I played two lines instead of one.
    I'm more likely of winning he lotto as I played two lines instead of one.
    I could be a the lotto winner as I played two lines instead of one.

    The sentences above are correct whether I win the lotto or not, whether I get no numbers correct or some correct.

    Climate science is full of cronies, which you'd expect given the status symbol, lack of accountability and money involved. It happens with any field that gets such publicity and funding. There are folks in there doing some exceptional work, but they don't sale enough papers or draw enough clicks.

    Instead we get horse manure like this
    We’re getting ever closer to unsurvivable heatwaves in heavily populated parts of the world

    What happens when 5 million people die suddenly in a week when WB temps go above 37c and the power grid fails

    That’s a genuine question by the way

    Millions of people, women, men, children, dying suddenly in a short space of time because their bodies cannot cool down because the air is warmer than their skin. Power grids aren’t designed to take that A/C load, so there will be brownouts and failures. Not only poor people die, but people who thought they had prepared and mitigated for such events are killed too

    It might start as a once off ‘extreme’ event

    But what happens when it happens again and millions more die

    Suddenly the cost of geoengineering seems small compared to millions of innocent people dropping dead in a horrific slow motion car crash


  • #363
    Oneiric 3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Whether based on a 'study' or not, the claim that evaporation in the Barents sea increased snow amounts over northern Europe is totally false, or at best, totally misleading. Much of the snow was 'lake effect' over the Baltic/North Sea & Irish Sea regions, while the moisture tapped into to fuel 'Storm Emma' was Atlantic sourced. These people are just making stuff up and stamping the word 'science' onto it to give it credibility (and good for ensuring further ample funding of tax payers money also) But the main gist of these piece is to now link the potential for increased snowfall in Europe to global warming / climate change.

    New Moon



  • #364
    Gaoth Laidir
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    But she doesn't even quote the source of the study. Normally you'd hear "Scientists from X University or Y Institute..." but nothing here. It's from the Banana Republic school of science; "Do your own research"


  • #365
    Oneiric 3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Gaoth Laidir wrote: »
    But she doesn't even quote the source of the study. Normally you'd hear "Scientists from X University or Y Institute..." but nothing here. It's from the Banana Republic school of science; "Do your own research"

    Found it via the National Geographic article on the same subject:

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41561-021-00719-y.epdf?sharing_token=QEB2-QMVKb8Ed7H1oCBn4tRgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0NrQFaHryB-s2BugYv4AsZ4P7G7xL1zEIJ3Pwm_OM8eTRIO74mxQAdnY1M-r7oWgA7DaJdO-vU6gMLLy5TnnmDpofipcLpdlbOhGOcklUJ5NMjlSvD_Lh41zWLrLu3WPbvFmPuJ-McER78DUu_HKcQlBf4lDQVQ-wx3XeO35uuZOmtoP5nPEFFh90NSzgCm49I%3D&tracking_referrer=www.nationalgeographic.com

    Edit: the article itself:

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/article/big-winter-snows-in-north-could-be-fueled-by-arctic-sea-ice-loss

    New Moon



  • #366
    Danno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    https://www.rte.ie/news/environment/2021/0422/1211324-climate-change-summit/

    Politicians jockeying to see who's most woke! LOLs.

    While they appear to be the jesters on the world stage in that article, the joke is firmly to be gotten by the ordinary Joe and Jane who will have to pay exorbitant taxes to fund this utter folly.

    But, the worst part of it all is - even with half of the measures taken they will claim success as the Earth naturally enters another cooling stage of climate cycle.

    The ordinary man and woman on the street will be pulverised while the big shots continue to jet about and collect their massive profits.


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  • #367
    M.T. Cranium
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,584 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    If there was more ice in the arctic, and colder air masses, then we would just get cold and snow from that instead of this postulated connection, which, even if it were true, just represents the outcome being sought anyway.

    Maybe the lesson is that the atmosphere has different ways of handling the stresses caused by increased greenhouse gases, and the outcome is not just linear as I think the first generation of climate change scientists were assuming with their runaway warming, end of winter as we knew it.

    I do get the feeling there's an effort to make continuous adjustments from the starting point of "climate change bad, causes bad things to happen," which in itself is not scientific, why couldn't climate change be a good thing?


  • #368
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Gaoth Laidir wrote: »
    But she doesn't even quote the source of the study. Normally you'd hear "Scientists from X University or Y Institute..." but nothing here. It's from the Banana Republic school of science; "Do your own research"

    Is this comment also available in the form of a graph by any chance ?


  • #369
    Oneiric 3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Banana Republic 1 wrote: »
    Is this comment also available in the form of a graph by any chance ?

    fDu7WKh.png

    New Moon



  • #370
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Oneiric 3 wrote: »
    fDu7WKh.png

    What’s the context for this ?


  • #371
    Danno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    https://www.wsj.com/articles/unsettled-review-theconsensus-on-climate-11619383653
    But Mr. Koonin is no “climate denier,” to use the concocted phrase used to shut down debate. The word “denier” is of course meant to associate skeptics of climate alarmism with Holocaust deniers. Mr. Koonin finds this label particularly abhorrent, since “the Nazis killed more than two hundred of my relatives in Eastern Europe.” As for “denying,” Mr. Koonin makes it clear, on the book’s first page, that “it’s true that the globe is warming, and that humans are exerting a warming influence upon it.”

    The heart of the science debate, however, isn’t about whether the globe is warmer or whether humanity contributed. The important questions are about the magnitude of civilization’s contribution and the speed of changes; and, derivatively, about the urgency and scale of governmental response. Mr. Koonin thinks most readers will be surprised at what the data show.

    Pretty much what MTC was alluding to before.
    When it comes to the vaunted computer models, Mr. Koonin is persuasively skeptical. It’s a big problem, he says, when models can’t retroactively “predict” events that have already happened. And he notes that some of the “tuning” done to models so that they work better amounts to “cooking the books.” He should know, having written one of the first textbooks on using computers to model physics phenomena

    This is fairly devastating news for the Green lobby, it collapses much of their narrative. Good to see some proper balance enter the debate.


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  • #372
    Pa ElGrande
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,633 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Danno wrote: »

    This is fairly devastating news for the Green lobby, it collapses much of their narrative. Good to see some proper balance enter the debate.

    In a similar vein this long article by Matthew Crawford highlights many of the issues that have led to the rise of scientism,the cartels that support it and the reaction against it.
    “Following the science” to minimise certain risks while ignoring others absolves us of exercising our own judgment, anchored in some sense of what makes life worthwhile. It also relieves us of the existential challenge of throwing ourselves into an uncertain world with hope and confidence. A society incapable of affirming life and accepting death will be populated by the walking dead, adherents of a cult of the demi-life who clamour for ever more guidance from experts.

    It has been said, a people gets the government it deserves.

    source

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • #373
    Oneiric 3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Pa ElGrande wrote: »
    A society incapable of affirming life and accepting death will be populated by the walking dead, adherents of a cult of the demi-life who clamour for ever more guidance from experts.

    It has been said, a people gets the government it deserves.

    One of my fave movie clips that has become more relevant today than it ever was before:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpYyhHsEffA

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpYyhHsEffA

    New Moon



  • #374
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Not convinced on the need for urgent climate action heres what happens to our planet
    https://theconversation.com/not-convinced-on-the-need-for-urgent-climate-action-heres-what-happens-to-our-planet-between-1-5-c-and-2-c-of-global-warming-123817


  • #375
    Oneiric 3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Banana Republic 1 wrote: »
    Not convinced on the need for urgent climate action heres what happens to our planet
    https://theconversation.com/not-convinced-on-the-need-for-urgent-climate-action-heres-what-happens-to-our-planet-between-1-5-c-and-2-c-of-global-warming-123817

    Scary reading. Hopefully we can get back to optimum days like this:

    https://scied.ucar.edu/learning-zone/how-climate-works/mount-tambora-and-year-without-summer

    New Moon



  • #376
    Pa ElGrande
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,633 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Banana Republic 1 wrote: »
    Not convinced on the need for urgent climate action heres what happens to our planet
    https://theconversation.com/not-convinced-on-the-need-for-urgent-climate-action-heres-what-happens-to-our-planet-between-1-5-c-and-2-c-of-global-warming-123817


    The key phrase is "depending on the model and assumptions". In other words it's speculation using computer models with the usual junk science suspect: RCP 8.5

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • #377
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Pa ElGrande wrote: »
    The key phrase is "depending on the model and assumptions". In other words it's speculation using computer models with the usual junk science suspect: RCP 8.5

    RCP 8.5 was derived at a time when the predominant source of energy worldwide was coal. The world has moved on and is less reliant on coal mainly because burning it is horrendously inefficient. But we haven’t yet seen the end of advocates for the burning of dinosaurs and fish to so does RCP 8.5 seem like it’s going to happen, no but who knows certainly not “merchants” like yourself PA ElGrande.


  • #378
    Pa ElGrande
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,633 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Banana Republic 1 wrote: »
    RCP 8.5 was derived at a time when the predominant source of energy worldwide was coal. The world has moved on and is less reliant on coal mainly because burning it is horrendously inefficient. But we haven’t yet seen the end of advocates for the burning of dinosaurs and fish to so does RCP 8.5 seem like it’s going to happen, no but who knows certainly not “merchants” like yourself PA ElGrande.

    You may want to check out the coal numbers again. The largest consumers in the world are not changing their tune.. Said government also cut solar subsidies as it was making electricity too expensive, they also working away on nuclear power.

    Getting reliable numbers for energy returned on investment (EROI) is quite difficult as there is not one standard to calculate it, for instance with random energy sources like wind and solar you have to factor in standby power.


    Here is some more background outlining how RCP 8.5, the "business as usual scenario" is being abused to create scary headlines.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SOEs0LzZCg

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • #379
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Pa ElGrande wrote: »
    You may want to check out the coal numbers again. The largest consumers in the world are not changing their tune.. Said government also cut solar subsidies as it was making electricity too expensive, they also working away on nuclear power.

    Getting reliable numbers for energy returned on investment (EROI) is quite difficult as there is not one standard to calculate it, for instance with random energy sources like wind and solar you have to factor in standby power.


    Here is some more background outlining how RCP 8.5, the "business as usual scenario" is being abused to create scary headlines.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SOEs0LzZCg

    The first link you posted was from 2018. Things have changed since then. There is no money in fossil fuels.

    The second link was extracted from a climate change deniers ravings.

    The YouTube link clip from a guy, John Robson and his company nexus is in the pocket of big oil.


  • #380
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,477 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    There's really no point in discussing these things online, you'll never change people's minds and there are quack scientists out there that can be referenced for any viewpoint these days. The prevailing science seems to be that man made climate change is real, I guess we'll find out in the coming decades.


  • #381
    Pa ElGrande
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,633 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Banana Republic 1 wrote: »
    . . . . There is no money in fossil fuels. . . . .

    No money you say . . . Tell that to this guy. :rolleyes:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo0wcY7-xxw


    40% of Europe's gas comes from Russia. Without gas, coal and nuclear (via interconnect), Ireland's electricity grid can no longer be subsidised or function reliably with random energy generation.

    Have you looked at the raw material requirements to build the new electric powered economy within the 30 year timeline proposed? We’re looking at billions of tons of metals and minerals, trillions of tons of ores, and mines, processing plants and factories all over the world.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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  • #382
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Pa ElGrande wrote: »
    No money you say . . . Tell that to this guy. :rolleyes:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo0wcY7-xxw


    40% of Europe's gas comes from Russia. Without gas, coal and nuclear (via interconnect), Ireland's electricity grid can no longer be subsidised or function reliably with random energy generation.

    Have you looked at the raw material requirements to build the new electric powered economy within the 30 year timeline proposed? We’re looking at billions of tons of metals and minerals, trillions of tons of ores, and mines, processing plants and factories all over the world.

    Another flawed and redundant rebuttal!


  • #383
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Remember the post I put up about radium, a radioactive element, being in the waste from fracking that’s was poo pooed by GL well here is again raring it’s head in another report.

    https://www.desmog.com/2014/03/23/some-testing-methods-can-miss-99-percent-radium-fracking-waste-new-research-reports/


  • #384
    Gaoth Laidir
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Banana Republic 1 wrote: »
    Remember the post I put up about radium, a radioactive element, being in the waste from fracking that’s was poo pooed by GL well here is again raring it’s head in another report.

    https://www.desmog.com/2014/03/23/some-testing-methods-can-miss-99-percent-radium-fracking-waste-new-research-reports/

    I poo-pooed it for a very good reason; it was wrong, unless you think a dose of radiation equivalent to eating 60 bananas a year is dangerous. Have a read back in case you missed it.

    Did they find any Radium in public drinking water in your latest link (at least you posted one this time)? Nope.


  • #385
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Warming clearly visible in new us climate normal datasets

    https://theconversation.com/warming-is-clearly-visible-in-new-us-climate-normal-datasets-159684


  • #386
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Gaoth Laidir wrote: »
    I poo-pooed it for a very good reason; it was wrong, unless you think a dose of radiation equivalent to eating 60 bananas a year is dangerous. Have a read back in case you missed it.

    Did they find any Radium in public drinking water in your latest link (at least you posted one this time)? Nope.

    If you really think there isn't you're fooling yourself!


  • #387
    Gaoth Laidir
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Banana Republic 1 wrote: »
    If you really think there isn't you're fooling yourself!

    Well the article that you posted said there isn't.


  • #388
    Pa ElGrande
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,633 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Banana Republic 1 wrote: »
    Warming clearly visible in new us climate normal datasets
    . . .

    All the data presented here is from the US NOAA.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnmzOeG_N64

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • #389
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Pa ElGrande wrote: »
    All the data presented here is from the US NOAA.

    This guy is who you reference, come on
    “Longtime Climate Denier Tony Heller Gets YouTube Ban For COVID Denial”

    Who is Tony Hellar?, he is not a climate scientist thats for certain,
    https://tonyhellerakastevengoddard.com/who-is-tony-heller/

    Other articles, and a YouTube clip
    https://www.desmog.com/steven-goddard/
    https://www.reddit.com/r/ClimateOffensive/comments/cm9l2q/tony_heller_and_data_adjustments/
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjPkclkZh6o

    And if thats not enough for you this guy Tony Hellar real name Steven Goddard claims that NASA is manipulating the data and he thanks to the Australian senator Malcom Roberts for his efforts in exposing the fraud. Well lets just listen to Malcolm Roberts debate the physicist Brian Cox on the issue,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxEGHW6Lbu8[/URL]


  • #390
    Pa ElGrande
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,633 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Banana Republic 1 wrote: »
    Pa ElGrande wrote: »
    All the data presented here is from the US NOAA.


    This guy is who you reference, come on . . .


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8455KEDitpU



    Tony Heller shows the data, and the data shows that climate alarmists have been manipulating it in their own publications. It is so blatantly obvious based on what he shows, that one would have to be wilfully ignorant to deny the data manipulations.


    FYI: Ottmar Edenhoffer is a member of the Irish Climate Change Advisory Council
    .


    Really, if doomsday predictions throughout history were actually true, we would not be here today.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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  • #391
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Pa ElGrande wrote: »
    Banana Republic 1 wrote: »


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8455KEDitpU



    Tony Heller shows the data, and the data shows that climate alarmists have been manipulating it in their own publications. It is so blatantly obvious based on what he shows, that one would have to be wilfully ignorant to deny the data manipulations.



    FYI: Ottmar Edenhoffer is a member of the Irish Climate Change Advisory Council
    .


    Really, if doomsday predictions throughout history were actually true, we would not be here today.

    Doubling down on the spoof and fake news, classic move there Pa ElGrande! You have a serious vendetta against this Potsdam institute place, did they swipe your picnic basket ? :rolleyes:


  • #392
    Oneiric 3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Banana Republic 1 wrote: »
    Pa ElGrande wrote: »
    All the data presented here is from the US NOAA.


    This guy is who you reference, come on
    “Longtime Climate Denier Tony Heller Gets YouTube Ban For COVID Denial”

    Who is Tony Hellar?, he is not a climate scientist thats for certain,
    https://tonyhellerakastevengoddard.com/who-is-tony-heller/

    Other articles, and a YouTube clip
    https://www.desmog.com/steven-goddard/
    https://www.reddit.com/r/ClimateOffensive/comments/cm9l2q/tony_heller_and_data_adjustments/
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjPkclkZh6o

    And if thats not enough for you this guy Tony Hellar real name Steven Goddard claims that NASA is manipulating the data and he thanks to the Australian senator Malcom Roberts for his efforts in exposing the fraud. Well lets just listen to Malcolm Roberts debate the physicist Brian Cox on the issue,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxEGHW6Lbu8[/URL]

    I've heard a lot about this guy over the last couple of years, and the fact that he seems to get a lot of negative reaction like this (for whatever reason) means he must be worth checking out as clearly, he must be onto something...

    New Moon



  • #393
    Pa ElGrande
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,633 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Banana Republic 1 wrote: »
    Doubling down on the spoof and fake news, classic move there Pa ElGrande! You have a serious vendetta against this Potsdam institute place, did they swipe your picnic basket ? :rolleyes:

    You are unable to dispute the information presented by Mr. Heller and resort to ad-hominen attacks.

    The Potsdam Institute for Climate (PIK) is noteworthy for the individuals associated with it such as Stefan Rahmstorf, Ottmar Edenhofer and others who claim to speak as scientists for the science of climate science, their language and their agenda is clearly one of failed activism.

    You will find the influence of PIK in Irish academia, Irish media and Irish government quangos.

    PIK is a climate activism organisation and that makes it impossible for it to be a scientific organisation. The close association of Potsdam climate scientists with UN climate activists underscores this opinion. It is not possible to carry out unbiased scientific inquiry when the researchers have an activism agenda in terms of the research question.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • #394
    Pa ElGrande
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,633 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Oneiric 3 wrote: »

    I've heard a lot about this guy over the last couple of years, and the fact that he seems to get a lot of negative reaction like this (for whatever reason) means he must be worth checking out as clearly, he must be onto something...

    For anyone interested here is his own careers summary.. Debugging CPUs and programming requires attention to detail, this is not a guy that can be fooled easily with statistics.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • #395
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Pa ElGrande wrote: »
    You are unable to dispute the information presented by Mr. Heller and resort to ad-hominen attacks.

    The Potsdam Institute for Climate (PIK) is noteworthy for the individuals associated with it such as Stefan Rahmstorf, Ottmar Edenhofer and others who claim to speak as scientists for the science of climate science, their language and their agenda is clearly one of failed activism.

    You will find the influence of PIK in Irish academia, Irish media and Irish government quangos.

    PIK is a climate activism organisation and that makes it impossible for it to be a scientific organisation. The close association of Potsdam climate scientists with UN climate activists underscores this opinion. It is not possible to carry out unbiased scientific inquiry when the researchers have an activism agenda in terms of the research question.

    I didn’t attack him I just looked at his website and got his angle and then cross checked his claims against with others sources. his theory that NASA fake there climate data appears erroneous to say the least similar to the flat earth conspiracy.


  • #396
    Oneiric 3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Banana Republic 1 wrote: »
    I didn’t attack him I just looked at his website and got his angle and then cross checked his claims against with others sources. his theory that NASA fake there climate data appears erroneous to say the least similar to the flat earth conspiracy.

    Just as an aside, but wasn't NASA, in part, created by Nazi scientists brought over to the US from Germany?

    Or is that just 'conspiracy'.

    New Moon



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  • #397
    Pa ElGrande
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,633 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Banana Republic 1 wrote: »
    I didn’t attack him I just looked at his website and got his angle and then cross checked his claims against with others sources. his theory that NASA fake there climate data appears erroneous to say the least similar to the flat earth conspiracy.

    You did not dispute his claims in the videos. One of the sources you referenced is a smear site run by a public relations firm based in Canada called Hoggan and Associates. It is their paid job to smear and spin, and they have a long track record of doing so. This site has contributions from an Irish activist by the name of John Gibbons, who occasionally turns up plying his opinions in Irish print and broadcast media.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkXZ3_ZmKzw

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • #398
    Thargor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,964 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    If you need a bullsh1t Youtube video that nobody is going to waste a minute of their time watching nevermind refuting to make your argument for you then you generally dont have a leg to stand on.

    Dont you think its strange that thats such a popular tactic among the flat Earth/Anti-vax/Climate denial crowd? Youtube video after Youtube video full of lies and BS, not designed to make any coherent point, just to waste peoples time and give the person with no argument a lazy "well if you didnt watch the video..." defence.


  • #399
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Oneiric 3 wrote: »
    Just as an aside, but wasn't NASA, in part, created by Nazi scientists brought over to the US from Germany?

    Or is that just 'conspiracy'.

    I don’t know as to created by but yes nazi rocket scientists we’re brought to America. The Soviet’s did the same with whomever they could lay there hands on. You could only defend this by saying reason we know so much about hyperthermia now is partly down to nazi science/torture ala Joseph Mengele the angel of death, there’sno way around that either.


  • #400
    Gaoth Laidir
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Thargor wrote: »
    If you need a bullsh1t Youtube video that nobody is going to waste a minute of their time watching nevermind refuting to make your argument for you then you generally dont have a leg to stand on.

    Dont you think its strange that thats such a popular tactic among the flat Earth/Anti-vax/Climate denial crowd? Youtube video after Youtube video full of lies and BS, not designed to make any coherent point, just to waste peoples time and give the person with no argument a lazy "well if you didnt watch the video..." defence.

    If you don't want to bother wasting your time watching the video, here are the graphs he showed, albeit some for the US. You're welcome...

    554889.jpg


  • #401
    Thargor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,964 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Gaoth Laidir wrote: »
    You're welcome...
    Oh wow thanks, Ill be sure to spend a few hours digging into these graphs of "Hidden Data" like you tricked Akrasia into doing recently.


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