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Airsoft vs Enviroment.

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    #122
    Firekitten
    Registered Users Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Firekitten


    Did you not notice most of us were open to the idea?

    How... please tell me, is calling for scientific ivestigation into the subject not being open to it?


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    #123
    -PornStar-
    Registered Users Posts: 277 ✭✭-PornStar-


    Firekitten wrote: »
    Did you not notice most of us were open to the idea?

    How... please tell me, is calling for scientific ivestigation into the subject not being open to it?

    Once people started twisting words and name calling it told me people weren't willing to be open minded.

    Your post is a prime example of why this thread will never get on topic (As your next one will be). Too many people concerned with their own agenda.


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    #124
    Stercus Accidit
    Registered Users Posts: 8,758 ✭✭✭Stercus Accidit


    TBFH, there probably has not been a scientific investigation into this, yekno why?

    Because airsoft is small, versus say, plastic food packaging which is globally popular, if not as much fun :P.

    So you are looking at a niche user of plastics compared to the global heavy use of plastics on other forms, they are the ones that would have been investigated with big budgets and published results.

    Who would fund a review of bb's and the environment? Airsoft companys? Why? They aren't under the nose of the media because of their impact or lack thereof on the environment, because, as above this is a niche sport, its not under scrutiny in this light, and a report won't be commissioned.


    Figure out what bb's are made of, research what that material does in an outdoor environment, and there will be an answer therein. Bar that, the usual pedantic internet calls for links or gtfo and useless back and forthing will go on. Peh.


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    #125
    andros
    Closed Accounts Posts: 374 ✭✭andros


    I'm sorry in advance for any spelling or gramar errors. Forgive my, not to good, written english.

    I'm sorry if I'm not going to anwser to your post for some time, but I'm rather bussy at the moment.

    Intention of my thread was completly different form what it become at the moment. My concern was based on simple assumption and comparistion to the volume of BBs we're using. The message was: We have lots of plastic products on the ground, how do we feel about that?
    Dr_Pepper wrote: »
    1. So you do believe the information? With no dates or citation??

    I never intended to go into detail of chemichal composition of the products. We have no acces to those information as usually those are confidential. And my anwser is: I can't treat that information as 100% correct. Rather as pointer where to look. Knowing a bit about polimers I can tell you that some of them are not very safe or ingredients used to produce them.
    Dr_Pepper wrote: »
    2. Ok. But they say the same thing about lead and all kinds of other things that are damaging. But i accept the point, not where it goes.?

    My point wasn't exactly about what is inside those BBs (as I can't be sure), but simple fact that they mostly remain whitout dicomposition. Their enviromental impact might be smaller than plastic bottles or other gabrage.
    Dr_Pepper wrote: »
    3. I never said there was No impact. Clearly there is some impact. However you didn't even google the simple term "airsoft bb enviornment", which i did to supply you with those 2 links. It seems more like an opinion has been formed and you didn't even search for facts tbh.?

    I can't prove toxicity of plastic BBs whitout knowing their chemical composition. Knowing PET are not going to create toxic products imidiatly after their contact with the soil, water and UV. We don't just leave them around (I'm not saying we should start picking BBs:))
    Dr_Pepper wrote: »
    4. And how do you know what every manufacturer puts in their BB's? Have you checked/analysed or even found out what is in a BB beyone believing a public forum and a public encyclopedia??

    I've infromation from one of the manufacures that they use PLA to make theirs product (despite the fact of information being confidential). They also use Calcium Carbonate to make Bio-BBs. Excel BBs contain information on the bottle that they are made using "safe" plastic which could be PLA or similar.
    Dr_Pepper wrote: »
    5. You have yet to link a single fact to the BB's that we all buy.?

    We buy BBs, yes? We shoot them, yes? And they keep laying around. You are probably excpetcing that I come out with LLC or AAS results. I think that manufacturers should asure us about safety of their products, but the request for that should come from the community.
    Dr_Pepper wrote: »
    6. The existane of Bio-BB's doesnt prove that Non Bio-BB's are harmful.
    How did you jump to that??

    At this stage my point was not to prove that non-bio are harmful, but that there is concern about them. That this is not just my imagination.
    Dr_Pepper wrote: »
    7. Same as point 4. How do you know they haven't done this already?

    I'm sorry to say that, but (in some points) you are expecting from me, anwsers I'm not able to give you.

    Some of them did. I know atleast 2 that I'm sure they use PLA. Excel claims to use similar polimer if not PLA (can't say it for sure). I think it's rather good information.

    Step away for a second from all the chemical composition stuff, and think about the volume. If most of the BBs are made from safe organic polimers, that is very good. I don't think all of them are.

    Products made of crude oil or it derivatives are mostly cheaper in the technological process but their aqusition and utilization it's not. Like Hivemind said. The reasone for manufacturers to switch to PLA and similar products might not be so nobel as I think (have to agree with his argument), sometimes when you change for cleaners materials, you are lowering overal cost of the process by producing cleaner wastes.


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    #126
    Rew
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 8,679 Mod ✭✭✭✭Rew


    Thread going in circles closed.


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