highduck wrote: »

fiestaman wrote: »

TriggerPL wrote: »

good looking pup , gud head and lovely marking . ya got to luv spaniels with big brown heads . very best of luck.
Is monalue cherry blossom in his background , the marking are very badgercourt , which is no bad thing

Thanks. Yea strong monalue in the lines in both parents going back. I hope he is as good as his father and cousins. Il do my best for him.[/Quote

fiestaman wrote: »

TriggerPL wrote: »

good looking pup , gud head and lovely marking . ya got to luv spaniels with big brown heads . very best of luck.
Is monalue cherry blossom in his background , the marking are very badgercourt , which is no bad thing

Thanks. Yea strong monalue in the lines in both parents going back. I hope he is as good as his father and cousins. Il do my best for him.

Best of luck with your pup I hope he turns out to be a hunting machine and all you want in a spaniel.

Just reading the total post I want to make a few comments.

I dont buy this argument about trialing dogs not being able to hit cover or last a days hunting.Its a load of ****.some of the best hunting spaniels that i have seen were trial bred/extrial dogs.monalue this ,monalue that,yes i agree that they are good line but look at a monalue pedigree whats behind it.-top trial breeding.a lot of it uk beeding where dogs were and still hunted on estates where they fall over game.any trial man worth a ****e breeds for drive,speed style and stamina.drive is what causes a dog to belt cover.speed and style are what excentuate drive and those three arent worth a toss if a dog if the dog hasnt the stamina to maintain that pace for long periods.

i have sold trial dogs that didnt have the speed to win trials that have gone to areas where within two weeks i have had calls from guys asking if i had any more for sale.

I have trialed a dog on a saturday and shot 8-10 woodcock off them on a sunday.They were all trial bred by myself or other trial men.

The reason that a lot of roughshooting men dont like trial breeding is because the dogs are soft in temperment and guys havnt the patience or experience to train them.probably the hardest hunting spaniels that i have seen have all had soft temperments.hattonswood broc,stedroc sker.misslechalke lad,carburgh art- sof temperments but all champions and machines to hunt.

A **** bitch to a champion dog is **** breeding not trial breeding.a lot of shooting bitchs are notjudged realisticly by their owners before breeding them to champions.

Equally most champions are over used and flood the gene pool which is not a good thing for.the breed.

People should.judge their bitch realisticaly and not breed her unless she is exceptional as a hunting dog with no major faults (HARD MOUTH,NOISE ETC).

If she is they should look at her pedigree and try and identify where her strengths come from and breed to a equally good dog(NOT NECESSARILY A CHAMPION) that has that strong line is his pedigree.line breeding is the only hope of reproducing quality consistantly ,outcrosses are necessary but are a lottery and rarely throw exceptional litters as a whole.

Trial men do go through a lot of dogs but this is because each one is looking for next badgercourt druid,hales smut or kenine rob.average dosnt cut in trials.dogs have to be very good to exceptional to last the course.

Advice to anyone wanting to buy a hunting machine go to a few trials and watch the dogs that cant be held in a tight hunting area by their handlers.these are the strong hunting dogs with plenty of drive and usually dont last in trials but make exceptional roughshooting or woodcock dogs.

Apologies for the grammer and spelling mistakes trying to type on iphone with big mick fingers.

Hey Mick nice read , but I've said pretty much what you just said about champion dogs pups flooding the Market because some woman think there family pet is good enough to be covered by a ftch.

And agree with u that bloodlines are the way to go , people say monalue lines but they all go back to rytex or badgercourt .

What puzziling me is that you say go to trails and take notice of the dogs that are hard held in a tight area and don't last long in trailing are the dogs to get or breed from , so saying that your saying that buying a pup off ftch mammy and ftch daddy isn't the way to go .

Fact is that as you said trailing men want the soft temperament dogs for trailing and the hard held heavy hitting burst 10 woodcock out of the hedge dogs don't last in trailing for that reason

How can you say these dogs are michines to hunt when you don't see them doing a full day with very little scent or birds .

Spunk , remove head from A hole then post .