Heavyweight Boxing

squinn2912 · 22-08-2020 7:19pm

walshb wrote: »

Use the fight thread, lads!

Yep I’m moved over now we’ll get back on this one afterwards for more general chat! Pleasure to be in your company tonight lads!! Good card

Kilboor · 23-08-2020 12:03am

Wow I did not expect that power from povetkin at this age and less weight ....

yourdeadwright · 23-08-2020 11:27am

Cracking shot from AVP perfectly timed for Whyte ducking into it
Delighted we won't have to hear Hearn and Whyte caliing out Fury for a while
Everyone just wants Fury v AJ

walshb · 23-08-2020 11:50am

Kilboor wrote: »

Wow I did not expect that power from povetkin at this age and less weight ....

It was just one punch..

The guy is not at his peak, but still has the fundamentals, technique and power...

Very very small surprise. Nothing more...

A peak Povetkin is streets ahead of Whyte..

nacho libre · 23-08-2020 11:58am

Yes. They say a boxer's power is the last thing to go. A young thief found this out the hard way a while back when he was knocked out by an elderly ex boxer in a shop.

yourdeadwright · 23-08-2020 12:01pm

walshb wrote: »

It was just one punch..

The guy is not at his peak, but still has the fundamentals, technique and power...

Very very small surprise. Nothing more...

A peak Povetkin is streets ahead of Whyte..

100% correct
Whyte and everyone and there dog knew that AVP would be dangerous with short hooks and uppercut, and to try keep the fight long

The technique and timing was perfect from AVP, I reckon it's a shot he's thrown thousands of times on the pads,

If before the fight someone said imagine AVP stopping him that's the shot your mind would think off or something very similar

squinn2912 · 23-08-2020 1:56pm

walshb wrote: »

It was just one punch..

The guy is not at his peak, but still has the fundamentals, technique and power...

Very very small surprise. Nothing more...

A peak Povetkin is streets ahead of Whyte..

I understand where you’re coming from with this and we were on the wavelength that POV scoring a ko was a distinct possibility. But the way the fight was going Whyte was bossing it and doing quite well. His feet are like lead and he’s a very slow thinker but he had that fight all but won.

So where does AP go from here surely he has lots of options along with the rematch

walshb · 23-08-2020 2:09pm

squinn2912 wrote: »

I understand where you’re coming from with this and we were on the wavelength that POV scoring a ko was a distinct possibility. But the way the fight was going Whyte was bossing it and doing quite well. His feet are like lead and he’s a very slow thinker but he had that fight all but won.

So where does AP go from here surely he has lots of options along with the rematch

Well, yes..Whyte was ahead..rds 1s d 2 were close. Rd 3 Whyte won, and he won the 4th 10-7..

His issue was that he did not seem to go for the kill, like a boxer should (and you can do this without being reckless.)

The first KD was mid rd 4...he then did very little in the way of an a offensive follow up, to a clearly hurt AP...He threw very little spiteful shots.

Had him down again with seconds left rd 4...and that chance passed..

Came out rd 5..and before he knew it, he was looking at stars..

A more destructive and committed attitude mid rd 4, and AP was there to take out. Whyte sat back and did not press home..

squinn2912 · 23-08-2020 6:42pm

walshb wrote: »

Well, yes..Whyte was ahead..rds 1s d 2 were close. Rd 3 Whyte won, and he won the 4th 10-7..

His issue was that he did not seem to go for the kill, like a boxer should (and you can do this without being reckless.)

The first KD was mid rd 4...he then did very little in the way of an a offensive follow up, to a clearly hurt AP...He threw very little spiteful shots.

Had him down again with seconds left rd 4...and that chance passed..

Came out rd 5..and before he knew it, he was looking at stars..

A more destructive and committed attitude mid rd 4, and AP was there to take out. Whyte sat back and did not press home..

I thought he won 3 as well but took a lot of body shots. Yea the second kd came a bit late for him he didn’t even go for it then though but his corner were forceful in their advice not to engage AP. I think this goes against his nature. Hard to believe that 120 seconds after AP was knocked down he produced that punch. Hard man.

squinn2912 · 23-08-2020 7:17pm

I’m trying to figure where I believe whyte is now. He’s just not good enough to box through a whole fight and at elite level in any era those lapses are going to be exposed.

Aj would demolish him again, Fury schools him. His chance is wilder but it’s hard not to see him finding the chin too. Pulev beats him and Ortiz would be my tip. Usyk likely too good and hunter might be too. A more ambitious Parker has a 50-50 easily and povetkin just sent him to the moon. I’d say Ruiz would fancy it too. That makes him about top 10 unless I’m missing anyone? Dubois, Joyce, Yoka hard to quantify at this stage. Anyhow he has a nerve having his nose up for title fights like it’s a human right

walshb · 23-08-2020 7:32pm

squinn2912 wrote: »

I’m trying to figure where I believe whyte is now. He’s just not good enough to box through a whole fight and at elite level in any era those lapses are going to be exposed.

Aj would demolish him again, Fury schools him. His chance is wilder but it’s hard not to see him finding the chin too. Pulev beats him and Ortiz would be my tip. Usyk likely too good and hunter might be too. A more ambitious Parker has a 50-50 easily and povetkin just sent him to the moon. I’d say Ruiz would fancy it too. That makes him about top 10 unless I’m missing anyone? Dubois, Joyce, Yoka hard to quantify at this stage. Anyhow he has a nerve having his nose up for title fights like it’s a human right

Hard to disagree with anything here..

Only that he is heavy handed, so has a chance against a fair few to win via KO

But all things equal, he’s probably the bottom of the pile here..

Biggest con the last few years. Dining out off a KO loss to AJ. Pathetic Matchroom hype!

yourdeadwright · 23-08-2020 7:42pm

Whyte in my opinion gives some of them trouble,
He's not the greatest boxer by any means but he's a big man who can hit he's also pig ignorant and normal can take a bit of a beating,

If you underestimate him or don't catch him like AVP he will give you a tough night, Let's not forget he hurt AVP and he hurt AJ in that loss

He's basically a better version of Chisora at his best, You have to be willing to gut it out to beat him but if your tough enough you can outbox,

Not elite level but a great gate keeper to have

normanoffside · 23-08-2020 7:59pm

squinn2912 wrote: »

I’m trying to figure where I believe whyte is now. He’s just not good enough to box through a whole fight and at elite level in any era those lapses are going to be exposed.

Aj would demolish him again, Fury schools him. His chance is wilder but it’s hard not to see him finding the chin too. Pulev beats him and Ortiz would be my tip. Usyk likely too good and hunter might be too. A more ambitious Parker has a 50-50 easily and povetkin just sent him to the moon. I’d say Ruiz would fancy it too. That makes him about top 10 unless I’m missing anyone? Dubois, Joyce, Yoka hard to quantify at this stage. Anyhow he has a nerve having his nose up for title fights like it’s a human right

I think Dubois would level him,

squinn2912 · 23-08-2020 8:53pm

walshb wrote: »

Hard to disagree with anything here..

Only that he is heavy handed, so has a chance against a fair few to win via KO

But all things equal, he’s probably the bottom of the pile here..

Biggest con the last few years. Dining out off a KO loss to AJ. Pathetic Matchroom hype!

When you can put a list like that together added to the fact that he’s an asshole he can F off.

I think that’s why aj was so shellshocked at the end no easy all British grudge match payday. Whyte is a great fight for him. Ko and look great at it.

Hard to know about Dubois but yea I can see potential there

nacho libre · 26-08-2020 2:22pm

Hearn has said the rematch might be the end of November. With the 28 days off due to the suspension, it does not seem to leave much time to get ready. He turned down other fights citing lack of time to prepare.

Brief_Lives · 26-08-2020 2:47pm

squinn2912 · 29-08-2020 12:16pm

Just rewatched the Whyte POV fight. POV got through a lot in round 3 I had it 10-10 maybe whyte shaded it. 4 I had thought was a mauling but POV got a lot in there too esp to the body. He had a good game plan for this. Rather than try to rush whyte he knew at some point whyte would take a rest and you cant do that at hw esp against a guy like this. Whyte was getting bombarded in his corner too I thought far too many voices at once. If you look at the end of round 4 he only half assed went for the kill on POV after the second kd there was no killer instinct about him. He’s a fish out of water trying to box his way he’s more natural in kill mode

yourdeadwright · 29-08-2020 12:36pm

AVP threw the left hook to the body a number of times and it had Whyte attention I think he stuck to a game plan You could see that's what Whyte expected as he leaned forward but AVP changed it to a sneeky upper cut, No way was it a lucky punch it was very calculated,

I do wonder why Whyte changed trainer seemed odd, Was he trying to reinvent himself or what was the purpose?

squinn2912 · 29-08-2020 5:23pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

AVP threw the left hook to the body a number of times and it had Whyte attention I think he stuck to a game plan You could see that's what Whyte expected as he leaned forward but AVP changed it to a sneeky upper cut, No way was it a lucky punch it was very calculated,

I do wonder why Whyte changed trainer seemed odd, Was he trying to reinvent himself or what was the purpose?

Oh of course that was prepared by AP. It’s classic him. Whyte fell into a trap but he always lets his guard down at some point during a fight. AP hung in when he had to and forced whyte into a mistake with mean body shots. End of round 4 Whyte looked very sluggish coming over after the kd he had an opportunity to get to AP and he chose to rest. During the count he was lying against the ropes.
That didn’t help him either good point.

walshb · 29-08-2020 9:33pm

Sunny Edwards lookin’ all gender neutral on BT Sports!!

Dubois up later!!

Joeseph Balls · 29-08-2020 10:34pm

Interviewer to Dubois, 'theres been talk of you and fury'.

Has there? Has there, really?

squinn2912 · 30-08-2020 8:41am

Not much to learn from Dubois tonight God love that fella but he got away lightly. Joyce full of compliments after the fight surprised me

Morrison J · 23-09-2020 2:13pm

Usyk via late stoppage imo. Struggle to see what Chisora brings to the table to make this very competitive to be honest. Usyk won't stand in front of him like Takam or Szpilka did.

https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1308737919922982913?s=19

US2 · 23-09-2020 2:29pm

Morrison J wrote: »

Usyk via late stoppage imo. Struggle to see what Chisora brings to the table to make this very competitive to be honest. Usyk won't stand in front of him like Takam or Szpilka did.

https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1308737919922982913?s=19

Not sure about a stoppage, a lobsidded decision. Now way Chisora wins anyway.

normanoffside · 23-09-2020 2:34pm

I think Usyk will tire him out and stop him.

I'd normally complain about this being PPV but with the lack of crowds and the fighters needing to be paid I will suck it up and dish out the money.

US2 · 23-09-2020 2:49pm

normanoffside wrote: »

I think Usyk will tire him out and stop him.

I'd normally complain about this being PPV but with the lack of crowds and the fighters needing to be paid I will suck it up and dish out the money.

It was always a PPV even with fans. I wish sky or matchroom released the buy rates.

walshb · 25-09-2020 3:36pm

normanoffside wrote: »

I think Usyk will tire him out and stop him.

I'd normally complain about this being PPV but with the lack of crowds and the fighters needing to be paid I will suck it up and dish out the money.

Yes...I hear ya

Barring a fluke KO, plodder Chisora gets dominated all night here...he's just useless...

Usyk needs to get a move on now after this sham fight....

This is his second fight at HW, yes? Two absolute nobodies....

A Shaved Duck? · 25-09-2020 5:39pm

Lads seriously..if you keep paying for these PPV it will never end.. Chisora has lost 22% of his fights and Uysk will box his head off all night.

Stream it

squinn2912 · 26-09-2020 12:28am

I tend to agree with you guys. All I’ll say is that Usyk looked hittable in his first fight at HW and that guy was even worse than Chisora. I think Chisora is a little better than he’s given credit for. A lot of those losses were when he wasn’t as fit. 2 against Fury, Pulev and Haye aren’t anything to be ashamed of and Whyte was a toss up x 2 until the ko. He battered Price so I suppose he represents a step up for Usyk. If Usyk can’t come through this one very convincingly then he has no business with the big boys. I have doubts on him as a HW as it is.

walshb · 26-09-2020 12:31pm

squinn2912 wrote: »

I tend to agree with you guys. All I’ll say is that Usyk looked hittable in his first fight at HW and that guy was even worse than Chisora. I think Chisora is a little better than he’s given credit for.

He’s useless as regards being world level..not sure what credit he deserves..

Going neck and neck with Whyte..big deal..it’s Whyte..

But, yes...I was a lil impressed in his Price showing...

selectamatic · 26-09-2020 1:51pm

squinn2912 wrote: »

I tend to agree with you guys. All I’ll say is that Usyk looked hittable in his first fight at HW and that guy was even worse than Chisora. If Usyk can’t come through this one very convincingly then he has no business with the big boys. I have doubts on him as a HW as it is.

Usyk has always been hittable to a point though. Not so much with absolute power shots but he can be hit all the same will take a shot to land one or two of his own.

His modus operandi that he'll hit you more and as the latter rounds come he'll hit you even more while you're too tired to effectively hit him back as his movement isn't slowing and his output is actually increasing.

He's a man that just seems to love the grind.

Hence the success of his foray into the HW division rests massively on his chin and how his gas tank and speed stands up to his aging combined with the added weight.

It's hard to see him blowing any credible HW away convincingly but it's not too much of a reach to see him take them into the deep waters of the latter rounds and effectively drown them.

squinn2912 · 26-09-2020 7:50pm

selectamatic wrote: »

Usyk has always been hittable to a point though. Not so much with absolute power shots but he can be hit all the same will take a shot to land one or two of his own.

His modus operandi that he'll hit you more and as the latter rounds come he'll hit you even more while you're too tired to effectively hit him back as his movement isn't slowing and his output is actually increasing.

He's a man that just seems to love the grind.

Hence the success of his foray into the HW division rests massively on his chin and how his gas tank and speed stands up to his aging combined with the added weight.

It's hard to see him blowing any credible HW away convincingly but it's not too much of a reach to see him take them into the deep waters of the latter rounds and effectively drown them.

Yep that’s fair enough and even looking at the Bellew fight he took a few as much as he outclassed TB.

I’m saying that because he fought an absolute bin so he should have been more evasive.

The modus operandi you mention worked with guys of equal weight but no way he can take a shot to get two in with the big boys who are naturally much bigger than him. I’ve a feeling he’ll stay with guys in the periphery and win a vacated belt only having to fight a real elite hw in a unification bout from which he will retire, money made. Can’t see many more than 3 more fights

yourdeadwright · 28-09-2020 10:03am

I have to say im more interested in this fight than the likes of Whyte v AVP and some of the other lately,

It might go against the grain but I think Derek is a great opponent for Usyk,
Chisora is a proper heavy weight who on his day can give anyone at least a fight,
Chisora is a basically gate keeper to the second tier of heavy weights, Beat him well and your on the level of the Whyte's', Parker's and AVP's of this world

He will be proper up for this so will come in shape, Usyk at least has his first live fight at the weight,

If he boxes rings around Chisora then great it means we have another possible contender ,

yourdeadwright · 28-09-2020 10:12am

walshb wrote: »

Yes...I hear ya

Barring a fluke KO, plodder Chisora gets dominated all night here...he's just useless...

Usyk needs to get a move on now after this sham fight....

This is his second fight at HW, yes? Two absolute nobodies....

Not sure if its a sham ?

I think he's doing the right thing , he needs to fight like this a proper heavy weight who will be tuff and stubborn just to see how he can handle the extra weight of these guys, Chisora will at least give him a fight,

Then next time out he can step up to a tier 2 heavy weight Whyte, Parker, AVP, Pulev,, Win that and your on to Wilder,Fury, AJ

That's only 3 fights at a new division for a title shot, Don't think that's messing around or taking easy fights, Its just building yourself up and feeling out the big fella's ,

He could have a title fight by the end of next year ,

walshb · 28-09-2020 2:37pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Not sure if its a sham ?

I think he's doing the right thing , he needs to fight like this a proper heavy weight who will be tuff and stubborn just to see how he can handle the extra weight of these guys, Chisora will at least give him a fight,

Then next time out he can step up to a tier 2 heavy weight Whyte, Parker, AVP, Pulev,, Win that and your on to Wilder,Fury, AJ

That's only 3 fights at a new division for a title shot, Don't think that's messing around or taking easy fights, Its just building yourself up and feeling out the big fella's ,

He could have a title fight by the end of next year ,

If Chisora gives him a fight he should retire...

But I get your overall progression point...

squinn2912 · 29-09-2020 12:16am

walshb wrote: »

If Chisora gives him a fight he should retire...

But I get your overall progression point...

I think best chisora and then have the title fight. Why risk these second tier guys for no reward? The demand is there so the fight sells against the top 3. I’d say look for next summer or a belt may be vacated and he will fight for it

yourdeadwright · 29-09-2020 11:39am

squinn2912 wrote: »

I think best chisora and then have the title fight. Why risk these second tier guys for no reward? The demand is there so the fight sells against the top 3. I’d say look for next summer or a belt may be vacated and he will fight for it

The problem is if Fury and AJ win they will be looking to fight each other next
Then you have Wilder ,I can't see him wanting Uysk if Fury beats him again
He'll look for someone to stand in front of him to get KO under the belt

squinn2912 · 03-10-2020 11:03pm

So wilder parted company with his trainer. Writing on the wall since the towel came in but that was the one guy who he could rely on to say it as it is. The rest of the yes men will let him get badly hurt

murphyebass · 04-10-2020 3:55pm

Anybody have thoughts on the babic v Kennedy fight tonight?

Babic is 1/7
Kennedy is 4/1

Babic is funny to listen to but boxing wise I’m not buying into the hype. He looked very average to me in his last fight.

normanoffside · 04-10-2020 4:14pm

murphyebass wrote: »

Anybody have thoughts on the babic v Kennedy fight tonight?

Babic is 1/7
Kennedy is 4/1

Babic is funny to listen to but boxing wise I’m not buying into the hype. He looked very average to me in his last fight.

Babic is a cruiserweight and a small one at that. He weighed in under 200lbs yeserday.

murphyebass · 04-10-2020 4:18pm

normanoffside wrote: »

Babic is a cruiserweight and a small one at that. He weighed in under 200lbs yeserday.

Could be an interesting fight so

normanoffside · 04-10-2020 4:48pm

murphyebass wrote: »

Could be an interesting fight so

Kennedy at 219 is no big heavy either. I expect Babis to overwhelm him.

walshb · 04-10-2020 4:50pm

Similar sized men, albeit the scales saying otherwise..

NewMan1982 · 04-10-2020 5:58pm

What station is showing this fight?

murphyebass · 04-10-2020 6:40pm

NewMan1982 wrote: »

What station is showing this fight?

Sky sports main event

normanoffside · 04-10-2020 7:04pm

murphyebass wrote: »

Sky sports main event

Not until the Buatsi fight.

SS Arena (408) on now.

squinn2912 · 04-10-2020 10:35pm

I’d forgotten all about this was Babic any use? Got it on now for the main event.

normanoffside · 04-10-2020 10:42pm

No and he's not a heavyweight

normanoffside · 07-10-2020 2:20pm

I see Joyce vs Dubois is not going to be PPV, just regular BT Sports on 28th November.

Good news for punters

squinn2912 · 08-10-2020 8:27pm

normanoffside wrote: »

I see Joyce vs Dubois is not going to be PPV, just regular BT Sports on 28th November.

Good news for punters

Very pleased to hear that I’d have likely paid the 20 quid

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