Irish Beef vs Mercosor Beef

onetimecypher · 17-09-2019 9:20pm #1

Can someone explain why Irish farmers are so afraid of beef imported from South America?

IS IT BECAUSE,

They keep mentioning CHEAP BEEF IMPORTS, but how can beef from South America (with travel included) be cheaper in Ireland than in Brazil.

Have we been strung along ?

Beef farmers only earn €10000 per year(ha ha ha) but get hundred of thousands extra from EU to not farm (set-aside is the one I know by name), in order to keep the sale price high.

As well as EU benefits, irish farmers are treated really well on tax, inheritance, education grants, .....basically all taxes on ordinary people.

I buy bulk beef products, irish reared, but slaughtered in UK, for ONE THIRD OF THE PRICE, charged by irish butchers

EXPLAIN

longgonesilver · 17-09-2019 9:22pm

Where do you buy your beef?

Are they online?

biko · 17-09-2019 9:24pm

Shop local
Support local

onetimecypher · 17-09-2019 9:25pm

https://www.branaganmeats.com/

Very local

ste · 17-09-2019 9:25pm

onetimecypher wrote: »

I buy bulk beef products, irish reared, but slaughtered in UK, for ONE THIRD OF THE PRICE, charged by irish butchers

EXPLAIN

What's your beef (of choice) buddy?

onetimecypher · 17-09-2019 9:29pm

Usually whole rib of beef (boneless ribeye 2.5kg about €25) compared to Tesco at €19 per kg , and Santry butcher at €27 per kg

onetimecypher · 17-09-2019 9:37pm

It seems so far that everyone is questioning the veracity of my statement, rather that questioning why it is cheaper to eat South American beef than beef reared on your next door farm.

The other statement about revenue, state, and EU tax breaks breaks are another story

onetimecypher · 17-09-2019 9:53pm

Watching Primetime. Farmers want a guaranteed per kilo price for their beef, going forward in contravention of EU deals.

I had a deal in wages, but after the crash in 2008/2010, Eu and government cut my wages by 28%.

Supply and Demand, no guarantees

Why should farmers be different, after getting treated so well fo so long

odyssey06 · 17-09-2019 10:01pm

onetimecypher wrote: »

https://www.branaganmeats.com/
Very local

Appears to be a trade only service?

onetimecypher · 17-09-2019 10:06pm

https://www.branaganmeats.com/trade-counter

Very busy LOCAL business, with huge non-irish support, because of their flexibility of slaughtering/cuts

touts · 17-09-2019 10:07pm

biko wrote: »

Shop local
Support local

That's starting to ring a little hollow to the 6000+ "local" people who have lost their jobs in meat factories due to the illegal blockades by beef farmers. To them and their families I suspect South American beef will seem far more socially just than buying from the bollox down the road living on his 200 acre farm who cost you your job.

Outlaw Pete · 17-09-2019 10:11pm

We have a great reputation abroad for our beef, to such a degree that America offered use a small fortune for a very large amount of 100% grass fed beef on an annual basis that we couldn't meet. They ended up doing a deal for less money and guaranteeing it would be at least 80% grass fed.

Some chap in California actually a brought a legal case against Kerrygold Butter around the same time in the states when he found we are not all 100% grass fed. He lost the case though as he couldn't prove that Kerrygold were suggesting grass was all the cows ever eat.

I know we have some great beef here and farmers do their best, and 100% grass fed is not always possible of course, but was a time when more effort was put in to adhere to better standards. Now more cattle are finished on grain here than ever before.

Mostly the Irish Beef I buy I am happy with from a taste perspective, but I'd say 1 in 5 times I buy beef it's not the greatest.

ruwithme · 17-09-2019 10:16pm

onetimecypher wrote: »

It seems so far that everyone is questioning the veracity of my statement, rather that questioning why it is cheaper to eat South American beef than beef reared on your next door farm.

The other statement about revenue, state, and EU tax breaks breaks are another story

its cheaper beef simply because its reared and slaughtered in south America. if irish farmer's had south American input costs and all other associated costs they could produce it also cheaper. as for the shipping costs the volume would be large i,de imagine so not a huge cost to the end user.

odyssey06 · 17-09-2019 10:16pm

onetimecypher wrote: »

https://www.branaganmeats.com/trade-counter
Very busy LOCAL business, with huge non-irish support, because of their flexibility of slaughtering/cuts

Why dont they sell to the general public or advertise as such if they do so?

You are promotimg one single business which seems to be trade only ie wholesale. Not realistic to compare prices there to Tesco.

onetimecypher · 17-09-2019 10:20pm

Reputation buys you nothing, especially after 1 or 2 scandals (foot+mouth, BSE etc)

Everyone wants to buy Irish (especially the yanks and chinese), but dosen't mean squat when world **** hits the fan

onetimecypher · 17-09-2019 10:21pm

ruwithme wrote: »

its cheaper beef simply because its reared and slaughtered in south America. if irish farmer's had south American input costs and all other associated costs they could produce it also cheaper. as for the shipping costs the volume would be large i,de imagine so not a huge cost to the end user.

Bull Cow ****

onetimecypher · 17-09-2019 10:26pm

Farm next door to me, no shipping involved, slaughterhouse less than 10km away, still charges me 4 times, YES 4 TIMES, what I get charged for an irish steer EXPORTED TO UK, SLAUGHTERED AND DELIVERED TO MY HOUSE.

Wake up smell the coffee

ruwithme · 17-09-2019 10:28pm

onetimecypher wrote: »

Bull Cow ****

If i made a mistake on that,all it was that i shouldn't have bothered posting on your thread as you know it all already in your own head.

Car99 · 17-09-2019 10:30pm

onetimecypher wrote: »

Can someone explain why Irish farmers are so afraid of beef imported from South America?

IS IT BECAUSE,

They keep mentioning CHEAP BEEF IMPORTS, but how can beef from South America (with travel included) be cheaper in Ireland than in Brazil.

Have we been strung along ?

Beef farmers only earn €10000 per year(ha ha ha) but get hundred of thousands extra from EU to not farm (set-aside is the one I know by name), in order to keep the sale price high.

As well as EU benefits, irish farmers are treated really well on tax, inheritance, education grants, .....basically all taxes on ordinary people.

I buy bulk beef products, irish reared, but slaughtered in UK, for ONE THIRD OF THE PRICE, charged by irish butchers

EXPLAIN

Have some actually said the only earn 10k per year? If it's so **** and paye workers have SW to fall back on as was said by some farmer when he was asked what about the people layed off . Why don't they sell their valuable assets and join the lucky paye worker?
Why are they subsidised to work/live the life they want rather than engage in a viable sustainable way of life?

enricoh · 17-09-2019 10:34pm

onetimecypher wrote: »

https://www.branaganmeats.com/

Very local

Do they make aldi sausages? I think so, absolutely vile sausages.
Best of luck with the brazilian beef op, chop down that stupid rainforest n load up the cattle with growth hormones. Tis great stuff!

onetimecypher · 17-09-2019 10:38pm

Oh yes quoted on all news bulletins.

To become PAYE worker, need to get rid of assets (CAS, inheritence Tax etc), GET A JOB and PAY TAX. lose all grant and educational benefits etc

Suddenly become low income earners and PROTEST OUTSIDE MEAT PROCESSORS GATES

Car99 · 17-09-2019 10:38pm

enricoh wrote: »

Do they make aldi sausages? I think so, absolutely vile sausages.
Best of luck with the brazilian beef op, chop down that stupid rainforest n load up the cattle with growth hormones. Tis great stuff!

And what happened to ireland/Europe's forests ? Cut down for agriculture, progress. Yes that was along time ago but we shouldn't preach to Brazil about something we've already done . Should we pay them to let their in forests in place to compensate for our emissions , probably.

Car99 · 17-09-2019 10:40pm

onetimecypher wrote: »

Oh yes quoted on all news bulletins.

To become PAYE worker, need to get rid of assets (CAS, inheritence Tax etc), GET A JOB and PAY TAX. lose all grant and educational benefits etc

Suddenly become low income earners and PROTEST OUTSIDE MEAT PROCESSORS GATES

The farmers need ethnic minority status , it's their way of life , tradition. We should subsidise it.

realitykeeper · 17-09-2019 10:41pm

Quorn meat substitute is quite good and it is nice knowing no animal was harmed in making it. I think Irish farmers should grow fruit and veg. Ideally farmers should be young and not in their eighties so incentives are needed so that farms get passed on to the young. Retirement homes may want the farms as collateral for caring for old farmers but to me that is like saying we should all just lie down and die.

So, I say give young farmers the land and encourage agricultural education and entrepreneurship.

eeeee · 17-09-2019 10:54pm

Much higher welfare (grass fed, regular farm inspections, ) and environmental (not reared off slash and burn former rainforest, maintaining Irish countryside) standards, a lot, lot less medication during the animals lifetime, and all medication noted and signed off on.
Proper testing and clearance before slaughter for diseases such as TB and BSE.
Much, much, much more stringent testing, quality assurance, veterinary, environmental and welfare standards. Much, much higher standards in factories for slaughter and processing, Less food miles.
I could go on.

All reasons not to eat Mecorsor meat.

If people had half an idea of the difference in quality, as well as they environmental, welfare and quality standards they wouldn't touch it.
Of course there is quality meat reared in the Mecorsor countries, but it's not what'll be coming on the boat to us.

onetimecypher · 17-09-2019 11:04pm

You think that irish chickens or eggs or pork or lamb or even BEEF go thru all that?

Not long ago,

Eat only 1 egg a week
White bad bad for you
Brown bread bad for you
Margarine good for you
Butter Bad for you

eeeee · 17-09-2019 11:06pm

realitykeeper wrote: »

Quorn meat substitute is quite good and it is nice knowing no animal was harmed in making it. I think Irish farmers should grow fruit and veg. Ideally farmers should be young and not in their eighties so incentives are needed so that farms get passed on to the young. Retirement homes may want the farms as collateral for caring for old farmers but to me that is like saying we should all just lie down and die.

So, I say give young farmers the land and encourage agricultural education and entrepreneurship.

LOL.

There's an awful, awful lot of land that can't grow fruit and veg in anywhere near a sustainable way, the one I was reared on and still help out on for one.

There aren't queue's of young farmers chomping at the bit to take over the family farm - quite the opposite. Fcuk all farming families can carry it on, including my own. Once my father goes the land will be set, most probably to the only young farmer in our area. The majority of farms in my area where the farmer has retired or died have gone into a monocultural foreign species forestry. Ours is one of the few left in our end of the area.
Most of the children of farmers where I'm from did what I did and left, or got a job at something else.

Our farm at home is incredibly rich environmentally, the father never pulled down hedges for subsidies and headage in the 80's and 90's, but it has barely broken even for the last 35 years.
No one's lining up to take on marginal land. It's all disappearing to non-native monocultural forestry.
There's an awful lot of history, biodiversity and beauty lost to planting. Our farm won't be planted in my lifetime, but who knows after that? ALl teh famine houses, fairy forts, full fiachra's, the stream, the 20 acres of unfarmable wilderness we call the mountain - all pulled up for forestry.
The generations of lives that made that land, the stories, the history, the social history of it.
Gone.
Small beef operations keep that land and it's attendant biodiversity going, and those at it are dying off, and with them all of the above.
That's the reality.

Fantasies about people living in idealised small holdings in remote areas, neglected for decades, without any opportunities for employment, services, broadband, public transport or further education are just that, fantasies.
Rural Ireland is dying in vast swathes of the country, and the beef crisis is part of it.

eeeee · 17-09-2019 11:07pm

You think that irish chickens or eggs or pork or lamb or even BEEF go thru all that?[/QUOTE]

Yes. All Irish meat and dairy products go through extremely stringent testing.

onetimecypher wrote: »

Not long ago,

Eat only 1 egg a week
White bad bad for you
Brown bread bad for you
Margarine good for you
Butter Bad for you

This is irrelevant and off topic to the discussion in hand.

endainoz · 17-09-2019 11:14pm

realitykeeper wrote:

Quorn meat substitute is quite good and it is nice knowing no animal was harmed in making it. I think Irish farmers should grow fruit and veg. Ideally farmers should be young and not in their eighties so incentives are needed so that farms get passed on to the young. Retirement homes may want the farms as collateral for caring for old farmers but to me that is like saying we should all just lie down and die.

Oh man I really didn't want to reply to this thread, it's just not that simple to say: oh they should all grow fruit and veg. Not all land is suitable for that type of enterprise. Some do of course, and the majority of it is seen as too expensive to the consumer because its a realistic price but supermarkets buying fruit and veg from the continent in bulk can sell it for half nothing. Farmers markets do exist, sure but it's not affordable for everyone. Low income families still need affordable food. I'm not even going to entertain the idea of essentially giving farms away to a retirement home so they can plant it with Sitka spruce. Moronic idea.

realitykeeper wrote:

So, I say give young farmers the land and encourage agricultural education and entrepreneurship.

This is the issue with people that don't know enough about the industry but still feel the need to give an uneducated opinion. There are courses run by Teagasc to do just that. Young farmers are encouraged to do a 'green cert' which is a level 5 and 6 course that can be done part-time or full-time. The literal idea is to have more young people involved in the industry to use more ideas and to diversify on some way. There are also inheritance plans that can be put in place if a father wants to retire in say 5 years and to pass the farm onto one of their children.

I have done the green cert and I still have to work a job elsewhere. All my friends involved in farming also need a job as there is not enough money just to farm. My father raised a family with four kids on the same farm I work on now.

It simply isn't sustainable anymore and you have to love it which I do. For what it's worth, I do support the beef protests but I'm not too confident about them getting what they want.

It won't make me give it up though that's for sure, and I can't stand hearing this sh1te from lads saying: oh if it's not worth it you should give it up and oh they're always whinging looking for more handouts etc. etc. To those people I say mind your own business. You literally have no idea of the work that we do, and it's a shame the general public opinion for farmers and farming in general is so poor. Farming for me is pretty high in the way of job satisfaction, it's just a pity we don't get next of near what were worth.

onetimecypher · 17-09-2019 11:14pm

Quite to the contrary.

We are told that only our meat/chicken/pork/etc are good.

We are told to avoid Thai chicken/Brazilian beef etc

WHY?

endainoz · 17-09-2019 11:16pm

eeeee wrote:

If people had half an idea of the difference in quality, as well as they environmental, welfare and quality standards they wouldn't touch it. Of course there is quality meat reared in the Mecorsor countries, but it's not what'll be coming on the boat to us.

Unfortunately all people will look at will be the bottom line.

endainoz · 17-09-2019 11:17pm

onetimecypher wrote:

We are told to avoid Thai chicken/Brazilian beef etc

onetimecypher wrote:

WHY?

It's pretty well explained a couple of posts up of you'd bother to look.

Danzy · 17-09-2019 11:20pm

Using growth hormones is worth about 150 Euro a carcase in reduced time to kill alone, add in no regulation of medicine, antibiotics, no withdrawal periods, no environmental concerns or requirements, next to no Labour law enforcement etc

onetimecypher · 17-09-2019 11:23pm

BEEF FARMERS IN HEADLINES.

Forget hospital beds, social welfare, upcoming budget etc

EUROPEAN COURT RULES AGAINST IRELAND IN "aughinish alumina" AFTER 12 YEAR CASE

IRELAND MUST PAY COSTS

Today APPLE case came to hearing (same story as above).

VERDICT not expected for 12 years

Danzy · 17-09-2019 11:23pm

Car99 wrote: »

And what happened to ireland/Europe's forests ? Cut down for agriculture, progress. Yes that was along time ago but we shouldn't preach to Brazil about something we've already done . Should we pay them to let their in forests in place to compensate for our emissions , probably.

They actually just a green light from Brussels this year to drive on with burning the forest.

Apart from a few outraged comments on tv, they 'll continue to be encouraged in that.

onetimecypher · 17-09-2019 11:40pm

Mercosur deal was just a deal to sell more Mercedes cars in South America.

Was worth alot more money to Germany to sell out the european farmers than to deal with them, HENCE this row.

Is there anyone here who can, taste wise, tell a difference, or is it just "I WAS TOLD TO SAY THIS" nazism

gozunda · 17-09-2019 11:47pm

realitykeeper wrote: »

Quorn meat substitute is quite good and it is nice knowing no animal was harmed in making it. I think Irish farmers should grow fruit and veg. Ideally farmers should be young and not in their eighties so incentives are needed so that farms get passed on to the young. Retirement homes may want the farms as collateral for caring for old farmers but to me that is like saying we should all just lie down and die. So, I say give young farmers the land and encourage agricultural education and entrepreneurship.

Quorn is highly proceesed ****e which smells like tinned dogfood.

If you 'think' farmers here should grow just fruit and veg - then I'd suggest you give it a go on a commercial scale and report back to us in a couple of years and tell us how you are getting on.

The fact is that commercial horticultural production here is severly limited by our climate, topography and soil type.

And dont try the one that Holland manages it. Horticultural produce there is largely managed through the use of glass/ plastic covered growing units with huge inputs of water, artificial fertilisers and vast amounts of energy.

I would sincerely love for all the radical plant food advocates out there to be given a shovel and told to start digging. I'd be willing to place a bet on the outcome ...

Donald Trump · 17-09-2019 11:57pm

onetimecypher wrote: »

Can someone explain why Irish farmers are so afraid of beef imported from South America?

IS IT BECAUSE,

They keep mentioning CHEAP BEEF IMPORTS, but how can beef from South America (with travel included) be cheaper in Ireland than in Brazil.

Have we been strung along ?

Why do we have to pay a minimum wage of a tenner an hour in Ireland when I can pay minimum wage of 200 Euro a week to a worker in Peru...oh sorry, did I say per week...I meant per month!
Have we been strung along?

You might have seen something in the news about a place called Brazil. Now in this place, some naughty people were burning down trees. Because that is all they need to do down there to increase production - set fire to a few hundred acres of forest and voila - free land. Graze it and abuse it and destroy it and then move on and repeat. Very little financial cost to the producer in that system. Big environmental cost though

onetimecypher wrote: »

Beef farmers only earn €10000 per year(ha ha ha) but get hundred of thousands extra from EU to not farm (set-aside is the one I know by name), in order to keep the sale price high.

Well you don't know much then. Because there hasn't been set-aside for a decade. The CAP database is online and searchable. There are not farmers getting "hundreds of thousands extra to not farm". That's waffle. There might be a few very large beneficiaries, but these tend to be the likes of Larry Goodman and similar industrial beef processors. Go and have a look and tell us how many you can find over 100k for "not farming". The odd larger one (say over 20k) will be because that farmer maybe drew down on a capital improvements grants scheme that year. The database will tell you what each payment was for. Most might be 2-4k. And don't forget that there will be plenty getting 0...only the ones who get anything are on the database.

Subsidies were not for the benefit of farmers. They were for the benefit of the consumer. They were brought in for food security and to bump up production in order to keep prices lower for end consumers. Did you know that a farmer received more for a litre of milk in 1980 than he does today? Besides everything else, do you think that the consumer was paying the same for a litre of milk in the shop today that they were in 1980. They are in their holes. Now imagine that the raw material input costs had increased with inflation? What would you be paying now? The efficiencies which were gained from technology, and increasing scale, in the meantime actually should cut the middle-man costs. So the farmer is getting the same in absolute terms, the middlemen costs should have come down, but you are paying much more for your litre. And you are moaning about the farmers?

onetimecypher wrote: »

As well as EU benefits, irish farmers are treated really well on tax, inheritance, education grants, .....basically all taxes on ordinary people.

No. You need some information dude rather than ill informed soundbytes. (maybe you missed out due to not applying for an education grant) While you might be referring to agricultural relief for inheritance purposes, you obviously don't know that there is a corresponding business relief for people passing on businesses and related property. However, in the case of agricultural reliefs, there are additional conditions which must be fulfilled which are not required for business relief.

onetimecypher wrote: »

I buy bulk beef products, irish reared, but slaughtered in UK, for ONE THIRD OF THE PRICE, charged by irish butchers

EXPLAIN

Maybe the Irish butchers think you're a bit simple and see you coming and overcharge you? Or maybe the bulk "beef" you are buying is of the tesco "shergar" variety? Who knows. You haven't given us too much to go on.

stimpson · 18-09-2019 12:05am

onetimecypher wrote: »

https://www.branaganmeats.com/

Very local

In Ballycoolin?

I used to shop in there regularly. I was passing last month so dropped in. No Irish reared beef. All UK reared and slaughtered. Prices on a par with Aldi.

I used to be able to get a whole Irish striploin for half the price/kg of Aldi. Not any more.

Danzy · 18-09-2019 12:12am

stimpson wrote: »

In Ballycoolin?

I used to shop in there regularly. I was passing last month so dropped in. No Irish reared beef. All UK reared and slaughtered. Prices on a par with Aldi.

I used to be able to get a whole Irish striploin for half the price/kg of Aldi. Not any more.

UK beef prices are nearly always about 20%+ higher than here.

realitykeeper · 18-09-2019 12:13am

eeeee wrote: »

LOL.

There's an awful, awful lot of land that can't grow fruit and veg in anywhere near a sustainable way,

Yes but most of that land would be fine for forestry which is another area Irish farming needs to expand into. You may not realize it but Mercosor is not the biggest threat to beef farming. Artificial meat is becoming a reality and in the near future it will be cheaper and safer than meat from animals. Time for Irish agriculture to move on.

realitykeeper · 18-09-2019 12:21am

eeeee wrote: »

There aren't queue's of young farmers chomping at the bit to take over the family farm - quite the opposite. Fcuk all farming families can carry it on, including my own. Once my father goes the land will be set, most probably to the only young farmer in our area. The majority of farms in my area where the farmer has retired or died have gone into a monocultural foreign species forestry. Ours is one of the few left in our end of the area.
Most of the children of farmers where I'm from did what I did and left, or got a job at something else.

Our farm at home is incredibly rich environmentally, the father never pulled down hedges for subsidies and headage in the 80's and 90's, but it has barely broken even for the last 35 years.
No one's lining up to take on marginal land. It's all disappearing to non-native monocultural forestry.
There's an awful lot of history, biodiversity and beauty lost to planting. Our farm won't be planted in my lifetime, but who knows after that? ALl teh famine houses, fairy forts, full fiachra's, the stream, the 20 acres of unfarmable wilderness we call the mountain - all pulled up for forestry.
The generations of lives that made that land, the stories, the history, the social history of it.
Gone.
Small beef operations keep that land and it's attendant biodiversity going, and those at it are dying off, and with them all of the above.
That's the reality.

Fantasies about people living in idealised small holdings in remote areas, neglected for decades, without any opportunities for employment, services, broadband, public transport or further education are just that, fantasies.
Rural Ireland is dying in vast swathes of the country, and the beef crisis is part of it.

That is one way of looking at it. I prefer the Dutch idea of using the land. Ireland is an embarrassment quite frankly, we have so much land which is not used or even properly designated.

realitykeeper · 18-09-2019 12:30am

endainoz wrote: »

Oh man I really didn't want to reply to this thread, it's just not that simple to say: oh they should all grow fruit and veg. Not all land is suitable for that type of enterprise. Some do of course, and the majority of it is seen as too expensive to the consumer because its a realistic price but supermarkets buying fruit and veg from the continent in bulk can sell it for half nothing. Farmers markets do exist, sure but it's not affordable for everyone. Low income families still need affordable food. I'm not even going to entertain the idea of essentially giving farms away to a retirement home so they can plant it with Sitka spruce. Moronic idea.

This is the issue with people that don't know enough about the industry but still feel the need to give an uneducated opinion. There are courses run by Teagasc to do just that. Young farmers are encouraged to do a 'green cert' which is a level 5 and 6 course that can be done part-time or full-time. The literal idea is to have more young people involved in the industry to use more ideas and to diversify on some way. There are also inheritance plans that can be put in place if a father wants to retire in say 5 years and to pass the farm onto one of their children.

I have done the green cert and I still have to work a job elsewhere. All my friends involved in farming also need a job as there is not enough money just to farm. My father raised a family with four kids on the same farm I work on now.

It simply isn't sustainable anymore and you have to love it which I do. For what it's worth, I do support the beef protests but I'm not too confident about them getting what they want.

It won't make me give it up though that's for sure, and I can't stand hearing this sh1te from lads saying: oh if it's not worth it you should give it up and oh they're always whinging looking for more handouts etc. etc. To those people I say mind your own business. You literally have no idea of the work that we do, and it's a shame the general public opinion for farmers and farming in general is so poor. Farming for me is pretty high in the way of job satisfaction, it's just a pity we don't get next of near what were worth.

You are not a good listener. I did not suggest you give up farming. I suggested you take it seriously.

realitykeeper · 18-09-2019 12:38am

gozunda wrote: »

Quorn is highly proceesed ****e which smells like tinned dogfood.

If you 'think' farmers here should grow just fruit and veg - then I'd suggest you give it a go on a commercial scale and report back to us in a couple of years and tell us how you are getting on.

The fact is that commercial horticultural production here is severly limited by our climate, topography and soil type.

And dont try the one that Holland manages it. Horticultural produce there is largely managed through the use of glass/ plastic covered growing units with huge inputs of water, artificial fertilisers and vast amounts of energy.

Yes, they take what they do seriously. I think Irish farmers should get serious too.

gozunda wrote: »

I would sincerely love for all the radical plant food advocates out there to be given a shovel and told to start digging. I'd be willing to place a bet on the outcome ...

Hard work really isn`t so terrible, you should give it a try. I`d bet you`d surprise yourself.

Danzy · 18-09-2019 12:40am

realitykeeper wrote: »

That is one way of looking at it. I prefer the Dutch idea of using the land. Ireland is an embarrassment quite frankly, we have so much land which is not used or even properly designated.

Your the fellow who has this bizarre ideas about Dutch farming being transferred here but who had no idea about Dutch farming or here for that matter I knew I recalled your name.

Carry on.

endainoz · 18-09-2019 12:41am

Danzy wrote:

Your the fellow who has this bizarre ideas about Dutch farming being transferred here buy who had no idea about a Dutch farming or here for that matter I knew I recalled your name.

No idea about farming full stop. Apparently we aren't serious enough.

endainoz · 18-09-2019 12:44am

realitykeeper wrote:

You are not a good listener. I did not suggest you give up farming. I suggested you take it seriously.

I take it very seriously, so do all the people protesting. I do more for the environment than most and definitely more than someone who doesn't farm, try not to choke on your avacado toast.

onetimecypher · 18-09-2019 12:53am

endainoz wrote: »

I take it very seriously, so do all the people protesting. I do more for the environment than most and definitely more than someone who doesn't farm, try not to choke on your avacado toast.

so does ewes

Outlaw Pete · 18-09-2019 1:22am

I remember a few years ago I was trying to source the best beef I could given all I was allowed eat for a time was rare beef and green juices (don't ask

) and came across the following thread on Boards where some farmers were going out of the way to produce a premium product so they could make more by marketing it as such....

Justjens wrote: »

Finish 90% of mine off grass May to Dec, as weanlings they get a handfull of meal each for Jan and Feb (approx 500kg), then nothing but grass and (hopefully) well wilted silage. Finish a few out of the shed every year Jan/Feb to keep the factory happy.

Probably don't get the weights of conventional farmers but the price premium more than makes up for it, aim is to finish from 26 to 30 months, mostly fat grade 3 and 4, the odd 5 if I've had to hang on to them. Killed a few 2 yo autumn born (Sept) last back end (Nov Dec) HE out of LMx cows, averaged 375kg DW. They spend first winter, 3 months (autumn calvers housed 28th Dec this year) with creep gate to paddock and the best of them never see meal.

Is that still as relevant three years on? As I seem to recall farmers were trying to get grading on beef so they could distinguish themselves from poorer product, which undoubtedly there is some of out there.

I know such grading is not as lucrative as maybe it is in the UK, where grass fed beef is very distinguishable from lesser product given they use more grain in general. Country Practice had a show on it recently actually where they interviewed one farmer on how hard it was for him, and costly, to produce 100% grass fed beef. I think he had a restaurant attached to the farm also. It was the same episode BBC got in trouble for as they had only spoken to farmers who had said Brexit was a bad thing for them and as they are supposed to have balance on all things political, they had their knuckles wrapped over it.

rocksolidfat · 18-09-2019 1:42am

onetimecypher wrote: »

Can someone explain why Irish farmers are so afraid of beef imported from South America?

IS IT BECAUSE,

They keep mentioning CHEAP BEEF IMPORTS, but how can beef from South America (with travel included) be cheaper in Ireland than in Brazil.

I can't speak on the specifics of this case, but you would be surprised how these things can work. Liberte Yoghurt for example is made in Montreal, Canada yet costs more than double in Canada ($7, or €4.45) than it does in a Tesco in Ireland (€2).

That never ceases to amaze me, but there you go!

Eric Cartman · 18-09-2019 1:52am

I see lots of people raving about argentinian beef as if allowing full on south american imports will all be high quality and not just 5% high end and the rest is slop fed on slop pumped with hormones and packed into ready leal burgers.

More of the large producers and packers objecting as itll gut their non butcher / high end catering business. Obviously a big concern.

I think especially in a time where the environment and ‘food miles’ are a big deal, preserving our industry is paramount

Irish Beef vs Mercosor Beef

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