Gay Cake Controversy!

gmisk · 10-10-2018 9:08pm

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Of course he targeted the shop.
Its called "Asher's" for crying out loud!
Asher was one of Jacobs sons in the Old Testament. As Jacob was dying, he blessed his sons, and of Asher he said " his cakes will be fat, and he will be the baker of royal Dainties"
Well known family in the more religeous circles of Belfast, and well known association between their business and the biblicial story behind the buisnesses name.

Read the court docs...
I have no idea of the background of asher name and I doubt the vast majority of other people would, do you honestly think many people would? You are being entirely disingenuous.

gozunda · 10-10-2018 9:08pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Mr McArthur says that Mr Lee is welcome as a customer in all of Ashers outlets.

So they will serve 'gay cake' then :eek:

Why didn't say that the first time!

Could have saved a lot of bother tbh ...

gmisk · 10-10-2018 9:09pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

It would have worked out cheaper for the 2 lads to bake their own cake.

The legal costs must be in the hundreds of thousands by now.

I doubt they will be out of pocket it was taken by the equality commission.

dxhound2005 · 10-10-2018 9:25pm

gozunda wrote: »

So they will serve 'gay cake' then :eek:

Why didn't say that the first time!

Could have saved a lot of bother tbh ...

Mr Lee had an alternative supplier lined up. They baked the gay cake in good time for the gay rights event. He could have saved a lot of bother by using that shop in the first place.

wexie · 10-10-2018 9:29pm

gozunda wrote: »

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Mr McArthur says that Mr Lee is welcome as a customer in all of Ashers outlets.

So they will serve 'gay cake' then :eek:

Why didn't say that the first time!

Could have saved a lot of bother tbh ...

I thought the point was that they don't want to have to serve 'gay cake'.... But they don't mind serving cake to gay people

Nekarsulm · 10-10-2018 9:35pm

gmisk wrote: »

Read the court docs...
I have no idea of the background of asher name and I doubt the vast majority of other people would, do you honestly think many people would? You are being entirely disingenuous.

You don't really understand the mindset of the fundamentalist Protestant so common in Northern Ireland, in the eastern half of the Province, do you?
Sunday School from age four, all those Old Testament stories every week, Church at least once every Sunday, possibly twice, and a 2 hour Gospel Hall meeting some week nights for good measure, with a fire and brimstone Preacher.....
All this in a city half the size of Dublin, with a very defined split between Protestant and R Catholic....
A city where the first thing you angle to find out on meeting someone ( however roundabout the manner), is their religeon?

I'll ask you a question...
If you live in Dublin city centre, would you be likely to know that Kieleys of Donnybrook was a rugby pub?

gmisk · 10-10-2018 9:42pm

Nekarsulm wrote: »

You don't really understand the mindset of the fundamentalist Protestant so common in Northern Ireland, in the eastern half of the Province, do you?
Sunday School from age four, all those Old Testament stories every week, Church at least once every Sunday, possibly twice, and a 2 hour Gospel Hall meeting some week nights for good measure, with a fire and brimstone Preacher.....
All this in a city half the size of Dublin, with a very defined split between Protestant and R Catholic....
A city where the first thing you angle to find out on meeting someone ( however roundabout the manner), is their religeon?

I understand it perfectly well.... I am from Northern Ireland and I lived in Belfast for 4 years.

My point stands I think the vast majority of people would just think its a bakery called Ashers..

I do live in Dublin and nope would have no clue about that pub.

Nekarsulm · 10-10-2018 9:49pm

gmisk wrote: »

I understand it perfectly well.... I am from Northern Ireland and I lived in Belfast for 4 years.

My point stands I think the vast majority of people would just think its a bakery called Ashers..

It dosen't matter if the vast majority think its just a bakery called Asher's.
It only matters that a militant Gay campaigner somehow chose that particular firm to bake a cake with a politicial message 180 degrees opposite to the bakers moral compass.
And then used the outcome to further his cause, while acting surprised and hurt at the outcome ...

Zubeneschamali · 10-10-2018 9:51pm

Nekarsulm wrote: »

And then used the outcome to further his cause, while acting surprised and hurt at the outcome ...

It is settled as fact in the court docs and not disputed by either side that you are wrong.

See the latest judgement, section I, titled "The facts".

gozunda · 10-10-2018 9:55pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Mr Lee had an alternative supplier lined up. They baked the gay cake in good time for the gay rights event. He could have saved a lot of bother by using that shop in the first place.

Is the old humour chip malfunctioning? What's the above got to do with what I wrote?
Lol anyway you're rewriting the facts of the story. Yes the gentleman was obliged to go to another bakery after he was refused. Btw- how do you spot a bakery that bakes 'gay cakes' - do they advertise outside the shop or something

gozunda · 10-10-2018 9:58pm

wexie wrote: »

I thought the point was that they don't want to have to serve 'gay cake'.... But they don't mind serving cake to gay people

I was being flippant .....

wexie · 10-10-2018 10:03pm

gozunda wrote: »

I was being flippant .....

But you're normally so serious

:pac:

dxhound2005 · 10-10-2018 10:11pm

Any printer can turn down a customer who wants a print run of the Bible, and/or the Koran.

gozunda · 10-10-2018 10:19pm

wexie wrote: »

But you're normally so serious
:pac:

You'd be surprised

Sweetemotion · 10-10-2018 10:21pm

Just seen this guy on the TV saying he feels like a second class citizen. What a fecking self entitled fool.

He wants to force people to go against their beliefs because he thinks his beliefs trumps theirs.

YFlyer · 10-10-2018 10:43pm

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Just seen this guy on the TV saying he feels like a second class citizen. What a fecking self entitled fool.

He wants to force people to go against their beliefs because he thinks his beliefs trumps theirs.

The baker guy sounded slow.

YFlyer · 10-10-2018 10:55pm

Comedy gold on Nolan Live.

riffmongous · 11-10-2018 4:31am

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Of course he targeted the shop.
Its called "Asher's" for crying out loud!
Asher was one of Jacobs sons in the Old Testament. As Jacob was dying, he blessed his sons, and of Asher he said " his cakes will be fat, and he will be the baker of royal Dainties"
Well known family in the more religeous circles of Belfast, and well known association between their business and the biblicial story behind the buisnesses name.

I just jumped into the thread at this page and I honestly thought you were ripping the piss here, like royal dainties, hilarious but who'd fall for that.. then I googled it when I saw the next post was serious

Nekarsulm · 11-10-2018 4:46am

riffmongous wrote: »

I just jumped into the thread at this page and I honestly thought you were ripping the piss here, like royal dainties, hilarious but who'd fall for that.. then I googled it when I saw the next post was serious

Well, "royal dainties" is just the nearest approximation to the original text that the translators came up with when changing from Hebrew or Aramaic through Greek and Latin into English.

Peregrinus · 11-10-2018 5:48am

Modern translations are a bit less florid: the New International Version gives us "Asher’s food will be rich; he will provide delicacies fit for a king."

The Complete Jewish Bible has "“Asher’s food is rich — he will provide food fit for a king."

The International Standard Version: "Asher’s food will be delicious; he will be a provider of delicacies fit for royalty.”

The New Life Version: "Asher’s food will be rich. He will give pleasing food to kings."

Has any boardie actually eaten cakes or bread from Asher's? Was it fit for a king? If you can't get them under the anti-discrimination legislation, maybe you can get them for misleading claims in their advertising!

feargale · 11-10-2018 6:02am

History repeats itself again and again, with little learned. Christans, Socialists and now some people who think themselves liberals. The persecuted become the persecutors.

Ragnar Lothbrok · 11-10-2018 10:58am

A man walks into a bakery, looking to order a cake:

Man: Good morning, I'd like to order a cake, please.
Baker: Certainly sir. What sort of cake?
Man: A cake with the message "Support Gay Marriage"

The baker takes a sharp intake of breath.

Baker: Sorry sir, but I'm afraid I'll have to refuse your custom. I can't possibly put that on one of our cakes due to my deeply held religious beliefs.
Man: Fair enough. I'll take my custom and my money elsewhere.

Man leaves shop, thinking to himself "How unfortunate that I chose a bakery with a ridiculously outdated religious ethos. I'm so glad I didn't spend my money there."

End of story.........or it should have been.

Zubeneschamali · 11-10-2018 11:38am

Ragnar Lothbrok wrote: »

Man leaves shop, thinking to himself "How unfortunate that I chose a bakery with a ridiculously outdated religious ethos. I'm so glad I didn't spend my money there."

But because this crap is now officially legal, the next two shops he tries say the same thing.

"Feck this bigoted backwater!" says the man, and moves to Dublin.

wexie · 11-10-2018 11:40am

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

But because this crap is now officially legal, the next two shops he tries say the same thing.

"Feck this bigoted backwater!" says the man, and moves to Dublin.

Or....alternatively he decides there's a gap in the market to serve cakes to the LGBT community in Belfast, starts his own bakery and lives happily ever after

(which personally I think would do much more to bring change to a bigoted backwater)

Peregrinus · 11-10-2018 1:00pm

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

But because this crap is now officially legal, the next two shops he tries say the same thing.

"Feck this bigoted backwater!" says the man, and moves to Dublin.

It'll be officially legal in Dublin too. The judgment was based on the European Convention on Human Rights provisions on the freedom of thought, conscience and belief, and freedom of expression.

The only country in Europe not a party to the European Convention on Human Rights is Belarus, SFAIK. And somehow I feel that if he moves to Belarus hoping to escape bigoted backwaters, he will be sadly disappointed.

TCM · 11-10-2018 1:04pm

Wonderful decision by the "highest court in the land" This LGBT bullying nonsense challenged at last.
Simply go and buy your cake elsewhere.

Will I Am Not · 11-10-2018 1:11pm

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

But because this crap is now officially legal, the next two shops he tries say the same thing.

Hardly. You would have to go out of your way to find a cake shop that would refuse to write a pro-gay message. You know... like the guy in this case...

Deise Vu · 11-10-2018 1:12pm

I think this decision does all sides a favour. Like 90% of the population I couldn’t give a toss what God people believe in or what they do behind closed doors but I was always curious what was going to happen when one tiny minority clashed with another tiny minority over an issue that was fundamental to both sides but mutually incompatible.

A couple of obvious examples are Religious texts which can be interpreted as being anti gay and the subservient roles women are expected to play in Catholicism and Islam. What would happen if a woman took a case against the Catholic Church because she wanted to be a priest?

This decision has basically upheld the rights of all minority’s to hang on to views that might not be mainstream but they cannot force those views on others that the others would consider a humiliation or debasement of their particular minority view.

Zubeneschamali · 11-10-2018 1:16pm

Peregrinus wrote: »

It'll be officially legal in Dublin too.

Yes, but Dublin, not currently being a backwater of sectarian bigotry, doesn't need the same anti-discrimination laws. See the number of people who have seriously said in the thread that discriminating against customers would cost a business money as if that ever stopped bigotry. The concept is alien to us down here.

I wonder if, in a few years, we will hear calls for protection for the embattled minority of people who take their religion seriously in the Republic, when some anti-religious atheist in a bakery tells them to take their Catholic cake order to some shop that doesn't care about organized child sex abuse.

Hector Savage · 11-10-2018 1:18pm

They did an experiment in Dearborn Michigan in Muslim bakeries and most of them refused to bake a "gay cake" too.
No problem though, these fools don't even realise that it's their own bigotry of low expectations that makes them not get mad at that baker refusing him.

The left are so f*cking racist, CNN saying "token negro" ... jesus h christ, you could not make the sh1t up!

Gay Cake Controversy!

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