Cycling on paths and other cycling issues (updated title)

Rogerrabit · 28-05-2020 2:59pm #1

Hi cycling in footpaths is very dangerous for pedestrians especially now with this virus pandemic. Every day I witness these events cyclists on the footpaths spewing out germs as they cycle past pedestrians less than two feet from them. If any of these cyclists have the virus the pedestrians have no chance they will pick up the disease. Why do the police allow this carry on. They should be protecting the elderly instead of turning a blind eye to this outrageous carryon. What do yo think out there in Ireland the country whose population do not know how to wear a facemask.

whisky_galore · 28-05-2020 3:19pm

Bless your eyesight that you can see them spewing germs.
But yes, it's illegal, germs or not, but no-one is bothered doing anything to put a stop to it.

Wishbone Ash · 28-05-2020 3:44pm

Rogerrabit wrote: »

... If any of these cyclists have the virus the pedestrians have no chance they will pick up the disease....

That's a gross over-reaction. I work in the health service frontline and on the frontline a person is only considered to be at risk if they spend more than 15 minutes in close contact (i.e. less than one meter) with an infected person without wearing any PPE.

It's a difficult law to enforce. How do you prosecute a 5 year old?

MarkY91 · 28-05-2020 3:46pm

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

That's a gross over-reaction. I work in the health service frontline and on the frontline a person is only considered to be at risk if they spend more than 15 minutes in close contact (i.e. less than one meter) with an infected person without wearing any PPE.

It's a difficult law to enforce. How do you prosecute a 5 year old?

Obviously aimed at teenagers and adults flying past at 20mph but ok..let's focus on 5 year olds with their training wheels...

TheBoyConor · 28-05-2020 3:50pm

I'd be surprised if anyone was every prosecuted for this.

Unless caught red handed by a fairly stern Garda, I cannot see it being enforced.
It would come across as being anti cyclist.

And as for the cute hurr cyclist, then can always just say "oh Guard, sure I was only cycling on the footpath because I was just about to enter that property right there".

I'd say just live and let live.

Curb Your Enthusiasm · 28-05-2020 3:52pm

If only cyclists would use those bloody cycle lanes!

https://streamable.com/u0shp6

TheBoyConor · 28-05-2020 3:57pm

That is pretty bad but at the end of the day the chocolate soldiers are off because of covid so people are obviously going to take advantage of that while they can.

Curb Your Enthusiasm · 28-05-2020 5:14pm

TheBoyConor wrote: »

That is pretty bad but at the end of the day the chocolate soldiers are off because of covid so people are obviously going to take advantage of that while they can.

This happens daily, well before the days of covid I'm afraid!

AndrewJRenko · 28-05-2020 5:20pm

Rogerrabit wrote: »

Hi cycling in footpaths is very dangerous for pedestrians especially now with this virus pandemic. Every day I witness these events cyclists on the footpaths spewing out germs as they cycle past pedestrians less than two feet from them. If any of these cyclists have the virus the pedestrians have no chance they will pick up the disease. Why do the police allow this carry on. They should be protecting the elderly instead of turning a blind eye to this outrageous carryon. What do yo think out there in Ireland the country whose population do not know how to wear a facemask.

What if the pedestrians have the virus and they pass it to the cyclists? What are you going to do about that outrageous carry on?

magicbastarder · 28-05-2020 5:49pm

Thoroughly enjoying the responses to this tweet.

https://twitter.com/jamieheaslip/status/1266016429008134144

AndrewJRenko · 28-05-2020 5:53pm

Looks like Jamie Heaslip got a few answers that he wasn't expecting when he went looking for problems on footpaths;

https://twitter.com/jamieheaslip/status/1266016429008134144

CatInABox · 28-05-2020 9:10pm

That ratio is only getting worse....

Rodney Bathgate · 28-05-2020 9:16pm

Yes, it would be nice if cyclists obeyed the rules of the road and stayed off footpaths. Errant cyclists, cycling on the footpath, coming within 2 feet of pedestrians (i.e. me) is a regular phenomenon where I live and walk. These rogue cyclists seem to be unaware of the whole “social distancing” thing that has being going on here the last few months. Aside from the legal aspect.

Rubberchikken · 28-05-2020 9:22pm

Nearly run over by two teen girls cycling round a vend on a path at speed and with the constant lack of regular cycling meant much swerving and braking but we all survived. No virus passed between us, that I know of.

Yeah I wish they'd cycle on the road but traffic and. Lot of drivers are a bit*h.

Charles Babbage · 28-05-2020 9:24pm

TheBoyConor wrote: »

I'd be surprised if anyone was every prosecuted for this.

Unless caught red handed by a fairly stern Garda, I cannot see it being enforced.
It would come across as being anti cyclist.

Not enforcing it is anti pedestrian, but because pedestrians are not organised into pressure groups or have forums on Boards.ie the anti social activity is ignored.

whisky_galore · 28-05-2020 9:31pm

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Not enforcing it is anti pedestrian, but because pedestrians are not organised into pressure groups or have forums on Boards.ie the anti social activity is ignored.

Cycling has turned into a quasi religion/cult activity, any transgressions by them are quickly turned into an exercise of whataboutery.

AndrewJRenko · 28-05-2020 9:31pm

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Not enforcing it is anti pedestrian, but because pedestrians are not organised into pressure groups or have forums on Boards.ie the anti social activity is ignored.

Or maybe it's because traffic law in general isn't enforced here, which is why we end up with 98% of motorists breaking urban speed limits.

Rodney Bathgate · 28-05-2020 9:59pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

Cycling has turned into a quasi religion/cult activity, any transgressions by them are quickly turned into an exercise of whataboutery.

Case in point the next post after yours.

micar · 28-05-2020 10:11pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

But yes, it's illegal......but no-one is bothered doing anything to put a stop to it.

I would rather see a 5 year old cycling on the footpath than on the road.

No cyclist will ever be fined for cycling on a footpath. However cycling dangerously can result with a fine.

Parking on footpaths equally illegal.

At the moment there are 11 cars on road parked on the footpath.....1 on a double yellow and another on the footpath with a continuous white line.

No space given to walk on the footpath forcing pedestrians to walk on the road.

Came across a video clip* from cork recorded today by a cyclist,....18 cars/vans parked in a dedicated cycle lane (continuous white line) * just seen link was posted in first page.

magicbastarder · 28-05-2020 10:12pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

Cycling has turned into a quasi religion/cult activity, any transgressions by them are quickly turned into an exercise of whataboutery.

to be fair, we do look on rolling up one of your trouserlegs as a sensible thing to do. still working on the handshake though.

micar · 28-05-2020 10:23pm

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Yes, it would be nice if cyclists obeyed the rules of the road........rogue cyclists

Would be nice if motorists obeyed the rules of the road.

"rogue cyclists".......ffs

Rubberchikken wrote: »

Nearly run over by two teen girls cycling round a vend on a path at speed

Coming home earlier from the park with dogs in the car.

Guy in a VW 4x4 came around the corner way too fast....I had to break and move further to the left for fear he was going to hit me side on.

Rodney Bathgate · 28-05-2020 10:42pm

micar wrote: »

Would be nice if motorists obeyed the rules of the road.

"rogue cyclists".......ffs

Coming home earlier from the park with dogs in the car.

Guy in a VW 4x4 came around the corner way too fast....I had to break and move further to the left for fear he was going to hit me side on.

Whataboutery...ffs.

28-05-2020 11:07pm

Oh look, a brand new account with a single troll post

Wishbone Ash · 28-05-2020 11:24pm

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Yes, it would be nice if cyclists obeyed the rules of the road and stayed off footpaths. Errant cyclists, cycling on the footpath, coming within 2 feet of pedestrians (i.e. me) is a regular phenomenon where I live and walk. These rogue cyclists seem to be unaware of the whole “social distancing” thing that has being going on here the last few months. Aside from the legal aspect.

In the past 20 years one cyclist has been responsible for the death of a pedestrian. Meanwhile, motorists have been responsible for thousands of deaths.

.......but as usual, I suppose people will prefer to focus on a few errant cyclists.

whisky_galore · 28-05-2020 11:51pm

micar wrote: »

I would rather see a 5 year old cycling on the footpath than on the road.

No cyclist will ever be fined for cycling on a footpath. However cycling dangerously can result with a fine.

Parking on footpaths equally illegal.

At the moment there are 11 cars on road parked on the footpath.....1 on a double yellow and another on the footpath with a continuous white line.

No space given to walk on the footpath forcing pedestrians to walk on the road.

Came across a video clip* from cork recorded today by a cyclist,....18 cars/vans parked in a dedicated cycle lane (continuous white line) * just seen link was posted in first page.

Is every footpath cyclist 5 years old all of a sudden?

MJohnston · 29-05-2020 12:13am

There’s a constant menace, pestering the residents of Ireland. It’s called “arseholes whinging about cyclists on boards.ie” and it won’t stop until we outlaw it completely.

magicbastarder · 29-05-2020 8:48am

i've been killed six times by cyclists cyling on footpaths. thankfully i recovered each time, but someday my luck will run out.

AndrewJRenko · 29-05-2020 10:10am

whisky_galore wrote: »

Is every footpath cyclist 5 years old all of a sudden?

Has every suburban jeep driver got the judgement of a five year old, all of a sudden?

https://twitter.com/karldeeter/status/1266274719906459652

c.p.w.g.w · 29-05-2020 10:40am

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Has every suburban jeep driver got the judgement of a five year old, all of a sudden?

https://twitter.com/karldeeter/status/1266274719906459652

Too many times that has happened to me, saw s cyclist and a driver get into a serious dust up as a result, thankfully I "wasn't able to identify" the cyclist for the popo as the driver was 100% in the wrong driving like a 5 year old

Rogerrabit · 29-05-2020 2:15pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

Bless your eyesight that you can see them spewing germs.
But yes, it's illegal, germs or not, but no-one is bothered doing anything to put a stop to it.

You silly person I did not say you can see cyclists spewing germs as they cycle by you on the footpath you breathe deeper and exhale more often when you cycle. It's not illegal to cycle on footpaths that's what makes the State's plan to stop the spread of the virus farcical.

magicbastarder · 29-05-2020 2:16pm

fun fact: cycling laws do not apply if you're wheelieing. the gardai are powerless to enforce road traffic laws which apply to bicycles unless both wheels are on the ground.

Rogerrabit · 29-05-2020 2:19pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

What if the pedestrians have the virus and they pass it to the cyclists? What are you going to do about that outrageous carry on?

Another silly response

Rogerrabit · 29-05-2020 2:25pm

MJohnston wrote: »

There’s a constant menace, pestering the residents of Ireland. It’s called “arseholes whinging about cyclists on boards.ie” and it won’t stop until we outlaw it completely.

We know what's between your ears smart ass

AndrewJRenko · 29-05-2020 2:30pm

Rogerrabit wrote: »

You silly person I did not say you can see cyclists spewing germs as they cycle by you on the footpath you breathe deeper and exhale more often when you cycle. It's not illegal to cycle on footpaths that's what makes the State's plan to stop the spread of the virus farcical.

1) It IS illegal to cycle on footpaths. Like most traffic laws here, enforcement is negligible (which is why we have 98% of drivers breaking urban speed limits)
2) Risk of spreading the virus from exercise is negligible.

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2020/4/24/21233226/coronavirus-runners-cyclists-airborne-infectious-dose

Rogerrabit wrote: »

Another silly response

Silly question gets silly response.

what_traffic · 29-05-2020 2:57pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Oh look, a brand new account with a single troll post

Is there a boards.ie slang term for this?
i.e New User who creates a NEW thread and only posts exclusively in that thread?

1 sheep2 · 29-05-2020 3:03pm

It's not the biggest thing in the world. I grant that cyclists are much more exposed to errant motorists than pedestrians are to cyclists on footpaths. But it's really quite unpleasant as a pedestrian to come upon a cyclist on the footpath - it feels both intimidating and rude. And it's endemic. It's not acceptable that pedestrians are confined to footpaths and cars to roads, yet cyclists can pick and choose, deciding on which laws to follow.

Of course, cycling lobbyists on twitter are in complete denial about all this.

magicbastarder wrote: »

fun fact: cycling laws do not apply if you're wheelieing. the gardai are powerless to enforce road traffic laws which apply to bicycles unless both wheels are on the ground.

Is there not, then, some law about public endangerment?

magicbastarder · 29-05-2020 3:24pm

That was a joke.

micar · 29-05-2020 3:28pm

Rogerrabit wrote: »

Hi cycling in footpaths is very dangerous for pedestrians especially now with this virus pandemic. Every day I witness these events cyclists on the footpaths spewing out germs as they cycle past pedestrians less than two feet from them. If any of these cyclists have the virus the pedestrians have no chance they will pick up the disease. Why do the police allow this carry on. They should be protecting the elderly instead of turning a blind eye to this outrageous carryon. What do yo think out there in Ireland the country whose population do not know how to wear a facemask.

Was this posted in response with Jamie Heslip's survey

https://twitter.com/jamieheaslip/status/1266016429008134144?s=19

This was tweeted at 15.40

The post here was put up 19 mins later.

MJohnston · 29-05-2020 3:33pm

Rogerrabit wrote: »

We know what's between your ears smart ass

Would you look at that, a snowflake in the middle of a heatwave! A rarer sight than a car driver who cares about anyone else on the road.

AndrewJRenko · 29-05-2020 4:06pm

1 sheep2 wrote: »

It's not the biggest thing in the world. I grant that cyclists are much more exposed to errant motorists than pedestrians are to cyclists on footpaths. But it's really quite unpleasant as a pedestrian to come upon a cyclist on the footpath - it feels both intimidating and rude. And it's endemic. It's not acceptable that pedestrians are confined to footpaths and cars to roads, yet cyclists can pick and choose, deciding on which laws to follow.

Of course, cycling lobbyists on twitter are in complete denial about all this.

It's not just that cyclists are more exposed to errant motorists than pedestrians are to cyclists.

It is that pedestrians are more exposed to errant motorists than pedestrians are to cyclists.

Motorists kill close to one pedestrian each week on average here, and the rates have increased dramatically this year.

https://www.meathchronicle.ie/2020/04/29/gardai-warn-of-the-dangers-of-speeding-as-number-of-pedestrian-deaths-double-from-last-year/

That's the real danger to pedestrians, but yea, let's moan about cyclists.

1 sheep2 · 29-05-2020 4:24pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

It's not just that cyclists are more exposed to errant motorists than pedestrians are to cyclists.

It is that pedestrians are more exposed to errant motorists than pedestrians are to cyclists.

Motorists kill close to one pedestrian each week on average here, and the rates have increased dramatically this year.

https://www.meathchronicle.ie/2020/04/29/gardai-warn-of-the-dangers-of-speeding-as-number-of-pedestrian-deaths-double-from-last-year/

That's the real danger to pedestrians, but yea, let's moan about cyclists.

You will find few more hostile to errant motorists than I am. In the last three days, I have banged on the back of a car that cut across me while I was crossing on a green light, confronted two people who were stopped on a pedestrian crossing, and reprimanded someone who had stopped in a cycle lane causing a cyclist to have to go around them. Your preconception of me is wrong.

Such whataboutery is enraging. It is near impossible to criticise cyclists without having it said that motorists are worse. The end result of that logic is absurd. 'But what about truck drivers...'

magicbastarder · 29-05-2020 4:33pm

interestingly, one thing i have noticed is a definite increase in the people salmoning on bikes. i've not noticed much different in the numbers cycling on paths though.

MJohnston · 29-05-2020 4:41pm

1 sheep2 wrote: »

You will find few more hostile to errant motorists than I am. In the last three days, I have banged on the back of a car that cut across me while I was crossing on a green light, confronted two people who were stopped on a pedestrian crossing, and reprimanded someone who had stopped in a cycle lane causing a cyclist to have to go around them. Your preconception of me is wrong.

Such whataboutery is enraging. It is near impossible to criticise cyclists without having it said that motorists are worse. The end result of that logic is absurd. 'But what about truck drivers...'

Whataboutery might be enraging, but no less so than using the behaviour of a minority of cyclists to vilify the whole demographic.

Let's subtract the young kids from the equation, because anyone complaining about that is just an absolute c*nt.

There's a few teens who are still rightfully wary of getting anywhere near cars on the road. There's a few other young lads who'll do it to be pests, but that's few and far between in the context of the overall population.

Who's left? Why does any other cyclist use the footpath rather than the road?

People should try and figure out the answers to those questions rather than starting threads to simply rant and vilify.

I'll start you off with a hint though: other than the wee pricks who do it to annoy, there's not a cyclist out there who wants to be sharing space with pedestrians.

MJohnston · 29-05-2020 4:43pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

interestingly, one thing i have noticed is a definite increase in the people salmoning on bikes. i've not noticed much different in the numbers cycling on paths though.

I've been frequently ignoring one-way signs in Dublin city centre during this lockdown. I'm only ever around in the evening, and the place is generally completely empty.

It gives you a taste of how much more wonderful Dublin could be if it wasn't for cars.

1 sheep2 · 29-05-2020 4:48pm

MJohnston wrote: »

Whataboutery might be enraging, but no less so than using the behaviour of a minority of cyclists to vilify the whole demographic.

Let's subtract the young kids from the equation, because anyone complaining about that is just an absolute c*nt.

There's a few teens who are still rightfully wary of getting anywhere near cars on the road. There's a few other young lads who'll do it to be pests, but that's few and far between in the context of the overall population.

Who's left? Why does any other cyclist use the footpath rather than the road?

People should try and figure out the answers to those questions rather than starting threads to simply rant and vilify.

I'll start you off with a hint though: other than the wee pricks who do it to annoy, there's not a cyclist out there who wants to be sharing space with pedestrians.

All cyclists are not being vilified!! Good lord. I am a cyclist! This thread is specifically about those cyclists on paths (many more than you acknowledge), something which is illegal. It is only because cycling lobbyists have rowed in behind them that the debate has widened.

And in your very next post you freely admit to ignoring street signs. Lol.

Hurrache · 29-05-2020 4:52pm

Rogerrabit wrote: »

Every day I witness these events cyclists on the footpaths spewing out germs as they cycle past pedestrians less than two feet from them.

Pat Kenny's brainwashing is starting to work on some people I see.

Limpy · 29-05-2020 4:54pm

A bit of common sense goes a long way. Sometimes it's safer to use the path. A section of road I use sometimes is quite small and has steel barriers to protect kids from walking out on to the the road. Handle bars could easily clip it and make a cyclist fall under a car. I always use the path and if people are passing I'l give way and almost come to a stop.

1 sheep2 · 29-05-2020 4:56pm

Limpy wrote: »

I always use the path and if people are passing I'l give way and almost come to a stop.

How decent of you.

micar · 29-05-2020 4:59pm

MJohnston wrote: »

Who's left? Why does any other cyclist use the footpath rather than the road?

People should try and figure out the answers to those questions rather than starting threads to simply rant and vilify.

This is crutical

As a person who goes to work each day by bike, there is a section on my way home where i cycle on the footpath.

It's uphill and takes about 90 seconds.

Why use the footpath and not the road?

Simply.......I don't feel safe sharing the road with motorists. The outbound lane is just about the width of a Dublin bus.

More likely it was originally 1 inbound and 1 outbound lane. The addition of a bus lane reduced the lane widths.

When i come across a pedestrian, I give them plenty of room.

If needed I'll hold back and pass them at the driveway sections.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/4eLHcrsQDCiUDFwVA

MJohnston · 29-05-2020 5:02pm

1 sheep2 wrote: »

All cyclists are not being vilified!! Good lord. I am a cyclist! This thread is specifically about those cyclists on paths (many more than you acknowledge), something which is illegal. It is only because cycling lobbyists have rowed in behind them that the debate has widened.

I don't really care if it's illegal - moaning about it is simply that, moaning. Why not actually look beyond complaints and try and figure out how it can be solved beyond utterly useless cries for more enforcement (there are MUCH more important things that increased Garda enforcement could be put to use with)?

And in your very next post you freely admit to ignoring street signs. Lol.

Yeah, so what? I really struggle to care. The vehicles that the likes of South William Street are designed for are completely absent from the city centre at the minute. If you're a cyclist, I suggest you get out for a wee breeze around the city some evening.

It's a revelation - you'll even spot that when we don't devote most of the available space to cars, guess what? Cyclists can just use the roads!

1 sheep2 · 29-05-2020 5:02pm

This thread is insane. Mixture of some cyclists denying that cyclists break the rules and others blithely justifying why they break the rules.

Cycling on paths and other cycling issues (updated title)

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