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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,596 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,520 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Simon Harris says hello, and that clown managed to get 3 different portfolios



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,700 ✭✭✭rovers_runner


    Covid19 sheep pen concert in the Iveagh Gardens. Had some hipster wanker playing and a load of hand picked rte and govt rich kids. A great snapshot on how f*cked up got.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,608 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Why are the 2 government reports on RTE taking so long? Martin said it would take 6 months. It's been 8 months already. This stuff isn't that complex.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,934 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Ah but it'll be after the elections then you see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,960 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Ah yes the socially distanced concert where Eamon Ryan's brother's company, Medmark, was awarded the contract to do Covid testing for all the attendees.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,960 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Kicking the can down the road as they know they won't be in the next government and the new government will be left to try and clear up the RTE Clusterfook.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,442 ✭✭✭NSAman


    she stated that it was early Thursday, “it was made known” by whom? Yet no one asked her who told her. Something very fishy in her “detail”.

    she wants transparency, yet certain aspects of what she conveys is as clear as mud.

    she can remember every detail of conversations and even the words used, with regards to the ex-chair but not in relation to who told her what after these so-called lies were told to her? I personally, do not believe a word this woman says.

    she absolutely threw Bakhurst under the bus. If it were me in his position, I would resign! Money is one thing, but to be roasted in public…thanks.. no money is worth that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 811 ✭✭✭kazamo


    You don’t resign from 250k jobs without a package, especially in RTE



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,241 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    What's his package like? Was it already negotiated or is it to be decided?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,608 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Lots more questions coming into Martin in the Dail. I think there is more information to come in this sacking of the chair.

    A lot of TDs saying that RTE is a cosy mouthpiece for the government. I would have disagreed with that viewpoint until recent years but it is clear now.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,608 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Will Martin answer any of these questions? The Aontu TD had some very good ones.

    She is getting a mauling.and it's clear she has little support.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭JPCN1


    Must be on borrowed time, regardless of consequences.

    I would imagine Siun O' Raghallaigh will also have something to say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,446 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    I’ve missed some of this, can someone explain the significance of the letter and the threat of resignation?

    Was this just a bit of a Henry Sellers type hissy fit, it’s not as if there would be drastic repercussions to anyone resigning from the gravy train.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,608 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    To be fair she tried to answer some of the questions but it's all a bit murky.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,253 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    Imagine if in the early 1990s you had an Aer Lingus support levy on your Ryanair ticket.

    That's what paying the TV licence feels like today.



  • Registered Users Posts: 613 ✭✭✭Baba Yaga


    its going from bad to worse...ffs just close it down already,enough money pished away now...heard on the news awhile ago someone of the rte crowd say "lessons have been learned" just fcuk off and keep fcuking off till you get back here again and then fcuk off some more,bunch a plicks!!


    "They gave me an impossible task,one which they said I wouldnt return from...."

    ps wheres my free,fancy rte flip-flops...?

    pps wheres my wheres my rte macaroons,kevin?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,934 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    I (still) pay it at the moment but I very very rarely watch anything on RTE, don't listen to their radio and don't consider them independent and objective or worth the money. They are selective in what they report and how, and their editorial slant does very little public service most of the time.

    I've no interest in their entertainment output - either stuff that can be seen elsewhere, or homegrown things like property porn (tone-deaf in a housing/rental crisis) or reality TV nonsense. Very rarely do they have anything actually worth watching.

    The fact that people are legally required to pay for it is an extra insult - especially in light of revelations over the last year. Intuitively no-one can REALLY be that surprised/knew it was probably a mess like this, but to have the depth and breadth of the problems exposed like this (right up to Ministerial level) make it even harder to stomach .. no wonder many have simply stopped paying.

    A complete clear-out of the C-suite and board level is needed combined with a new competent Minister (if such a thing exists in this Government!), then scale it back and make it a subscription service. They'll either survive on that revenue and advertising or they won't but if they fall will anything of value have been lost?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,934 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Haven't seen any of it today - same guff she was at last night?

    Someone else did it / I don't talk to that person / Not my responsibility/place



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,608 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Yes same guff. Aontu guy said she was restricting herself hugely by only being prepared to talk to a small set number of people with regards RTE. She did not reply to that.

    Her management style is very poor.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 899 ✭✭✭DrZeuss


    CM's body language last night was hard to watch, head down, hands touching her face/mouth, mumbling at times.

    It was like asking your kid was it really the dog that made that mess, you know the kid is lying, the kid knows they are lying, even the dog has its doubts but everyone is sticking with the tale.

    I fear there's more dribs and drabs to come.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,446 ✭✭✭silliussoddius




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,934 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    There's not even a spoon (the DG is using it to make the tea).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 899 ✭✭✭DrZeuss


    Its about the only thing left that hasn't been blamed and/or thrown under the bus, the fact we haven't heard about it means its probably covered under a confidentiality agreement for its exit package.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,241 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Well they certainly have been Cavalier with spending!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,843 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,446 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    With all these high level jobs in rte, how many are so important that rte would be seriously impacted if the person in the role were hit by a bus and couldn't work for a long time?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 746 ✭✭✭aziz




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    My opinion for what's it's worth is make rte a subscription service.

    Control the level of salaries. Cut the overall staff including manager numbers.

    Make the place start earning it's keep.

    For too long it's been draining money from tax payers and licence fees and squandering like there's no tomorrow or no consequences, which appears to be true.

    Put a minister in charge of media who has the b@lls to jump start these jokers.

    And someone drag Forbes from her hidey hole and make her explain herself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,454 ✭✭✭jmcc



    Not sure that it would be commercially viable as a subscription service and that would also defeat the whole public service broadcaster rationale. If part of RTE wants to play in the commercial world and go to Pay TV, the quote from Sergeant Steiner springs to mind: "And I will show you where the Iron Crosses grow". The pampered prima donnas of RTE management might be able to convince a useless media minister that they are worth their exorbitant salaries but in Pay TV, if they don't get subscribers then the service doesn't survive. Without a licence fee and continual bailouts, RTE, as it exists now, would not survive.

    There is no easy fix and the minister is simply not up to the job. The first step in setting RTE on the road to survival would be to fire Martin and replace her with someone competent. But that's another problem with this government.

    Regards...jmcc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,454 ✭✭✭jmcc


    One. The person who controls the payroll. :)

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,454 ✭✭✭jmcc


    According to the Irish Times, Forbes and Jennings are to be given the option to appear before the media committee virtually or to provide written answers to a set of questions from the committee.

    Regards...jmcc

    Post edited by jmcc on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    the committee could supply one of those head strap devices that Christy Brown used for his typewriter

    One letter at a time but hopefully Dee would have the strength to tap out a statement on her laptop



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,608 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Did the former commercial director Geraldine O'Leary get a golden handshake? She was definitely up to no good with the taxpayer's money and the barter accounts. She seemed to get away quietly from the committees.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,635 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    There is a fundamental problem, RTE exists to be served by the public rather that being a "public service" broadcaster. It's not the 1930s anymore, that old model of a single centralised one to many broadcaster has become distributed across many outlets, and we are no longer isolated being completely plugged into the United States and UK both culturally and economically. National print media in Ireland simply takes content from other parts of the Anglosphere and rehashes it with local color added. Why does what happens to an American politician with no connections to Ireland even warrant coverage in Irish media, we can't vote in American elections, yet every Trump story and media bias makes the news. Who is Taylor Swift in bed with this week? Yeah, it's cheap sensational content, why does it warrant the level of coverage it's given in Irish media. That's just one narrow aspect of the debate, what does the term public service broadcasting even mean any more?

    The RTE corporate governance and funding issues even if resolved, still leave us with the question unanswered, does RTE exist to be served by the public or provide public service?

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 518 ✭✭✭csirl


    KB out with a megaphone on the RTE campus..... cringeworthy

    Talk about being out of touch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,454 ✭✭✭jmcc



    The Irish radio and TV markets never evolved properly because of the gombeenery of FF/FG/Labour. With the US, the market for both is very different. The same goes for the UK and many other European countries. RTE, due to its near monopoly position, essentially stopped competition until cable and satellite TV entered the TV market. The Pirate Radio stations changed the commercial radio market but the gombeens in FF/FG/Labour nearly destroyed that.

    Does Ireland need a public service broadcaster? Yes. Is RTE that broadcaster? Not in its current format. @RoTelly outlined a very good path for what could be done with RTE and broadcasting in Ireland. The problem is that too many politically connected people in RTE might lose their overpaid jobs in such a reorganisation. There seems to be little political appetite from FFG to change anything.

    Regards...jmcc

    Post edited by jmcc on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,454 ✭✭✭jmcc


    There needs to be clarifcation of exactly what is wrong with her and how it prevents her appearance before the committees. Any written submission will be lawyered to Hell and back and would be unlikely to provide any insight into what she did as DG.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    She retired in August and sailed off into the sunset without a care in the world.

    Do you think that the Senior managers under Dee Forbes call each other every now and again and reminisce about the times they had living the life on the taxpayer money, like going for a meal in Phibsboro before a concert in Croke Park and then having a bus waiting to take them from Phibsboro to Croke Park. Jaysus they couldn't be seen mixing with the riff raff walking to the concert.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,286 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    It is the same old stuff from RTÉ.

    We need more money etc etc

    The staff don't realize that many of them are part of the problem, not just at a high level but also because the fail to say anything to anyone.


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,286 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    No she was retiring at the end of 2023, so no technically she didn't get a golden handshake but also she is now in receipt of a very nice pension.


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,603 ✭✭✭Damien360


    It would be lovely to know but would you allow your employer know the medical reasons for your absence outside of providing a sick note. They will send you to the doctor but they won’t tell your employer either. So that ain’t happening and she knows it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,454 ✭✭✭jmcc


    She's refusing to appear before an Oireachtas committee. She should be compelled. This is more than a simple employees sick note.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,603 ✭✭✭Damien360


    What legal powers has that committee got to compel anyone to appear ? It’s in the interest of those currently employed by the state or semi-state to turn up but after that I can’t see them legally compelling anyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,454 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Cannot cite the exact legislation but the committees have the power to compell witnesses. The offer of written answers or a virtual appearance has been mentioned in the last Media committee proceedings.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,603 ✭✭✭Damien360


    I’ll take your word for it but didn’t we have a failed referendum for that. The legal guys were going to loose some earnings and made sure the committees didn’t get legal powers. It was in light of tribunal costs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,454 ✭✭✭jmcc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,454 ✭✭✭jmcc


    I think that the failed referendum would have granted more powers to these committees. Mattie McGraths's solution is looking more sensible by the day.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,608 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Another massive golden handshake to a senior exec at HSE for poor performance. Maybe the government are trying to normalise these payments now?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 811 ✭✭✭kazamo



    The committees have been hinting at these powers for years but have never exercised them.

    When Rehab were being grilled by the PAC we heard all about attendance being mandatory from Mary Lou and Shane Ross.

    Then Angela Kearns went to the courts, the State defence was that attendance was optional. And now the Politicans are moaning because some people are opting not to attend, can’t have it both ways.

    If the Politicans had the power to compel Dee Forbes they would have used it by now.



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