How much do you miss the pub?

rubadub · 21-04-2020 10:11am

BailMeOut wrote: »

do you really think Irish people would be willing use the same tracking technology that both Korea and China are using to allow access to bars and restaurants?

I think enough people would to make if feasible for bars to operate, I do not know the extent of the tracking they are using but I presume they are not implanting microchips just yet like the conspiracy loons would have you worried about, a phone can be turned off or destroyed at any time. Not everybody lives in fear of "big brother" (not saying you do). I know a guy who is amazed & jealous at all the tesco vouchers and discounts I get, yet would be totally against getting a clubcard, -presumably scared shitless they will find out he buys milk & bread, his secret shame...

Plenty of people already still take flights knowing they will have to identify themselves and records probably being kept, AND subject them selves to full body frisking and scanning.

People still go to gigs knowing they can be subjected to full frisking and have security rifling through handbags, or take the bags off them completely to be stored somewhere (this was happening after the Manchester Area bombing).

bucketybuck · 21-04-2020 10:15am

Social distancing and pubs are never going to mix and it would be naive to think otherwise. You think after 4/5 pints people are going to be diligent about their 2 meter distance rules?

More to the point, people don't want social distancing in pubs. Sure there are some people who want to sit on their own and read the paper but by and large most people who went to pubs went there because they actively wanted to socially engage with other people.

A lot of pubs are going to be finished, but the pubs that reopen will reopen not because they find a model that supports social distancing, but because people will eventually say "**** social distancing, I know the risks and I'm deciding that I want to get out and meet new people". Rightly or wrongly society will reach that point sooner rather than later.

Cal4567 · 21-04-2020 10:27am

Will people want to go into pubs anytime soon? I wouldn't want to. In my 60s now as well.

No, don't think I'd miss the pubs at all. Give me a cafe and what I see on the continent, not what I see in Ireland or the UK.

Just because pubs have been an integral part of Irish life in the past, does not mean they will be in the future. Another change we've been noticing over the last 20 years or so. The pub is slowly becoming less part of Irish life as has the Church. Might be tough for a lot to accept but I think it's reality.

Leroy42 · 21-04-2020 10:32am

Yes, clearly the pubs were already in decline prior to all of this. The key question is whether this will hasten that decline (people realise that there is other things to do and new ways to interact) or whether it results in a revival as people realise that real social interaction (meeting face to face rather than FB, Insta or whatever) is much better.

nacho libre · 21-04-2020 10:46am

Leroy42 wrote: »

Yes, clearly the pubs were already in decline prior to all of this. The key question is whether this will hasten that decline (people realise that there is other things to do and new ways to interact) or whether it results in a revival as people realise that real social interaction (meeting face to face rather than FB, Insta or whatever) is much better.

I think it will be like Christmas for a while once they reopen, then it will go back to the way it was prior to the lockdown.

RayCon · 21-04-2020 10:56am

Don't miss the pub, but miss gigs

BailMeOut · 21-04-2020 11:04am

rubadub wrote: »

I think enough people would to make if feasible for bars to operate, I do not know the extent of the tracking they are using but I presume they are not implanting microchips just yet like the conspiracy loons would have you worried about, a phone can be turned off or destroyed at any time. Not everybody lives in fear of "big brother" (not saying you do). I know a guy who is amazed & jealous at all the tesco vouchers and discounts I get, yet would be totally against getting a clubcard, -presumably scared shitless they will find out he buys milk & bread, his secret shame...

Plenty of people already still take flights knowing they will have to identify themselves and records probably being kept, AND subject them selves to full body frisking and scanning.

People still go to gigs knowing they can be subjected to full frisking and have security rifling through handbags, or take the bags off them completely to be stored somewhere (this was happening after the Manchester Area bombing).

we cannot handle our PPS numbers on a PPS card! The Asian apps tracks where you have been and how likely you have been in contact with someone with COVID19 so there is a central database managed by the government with all this info that the apps on your phone sync with. When you go into a bar or restaurant you scan your phone and it checks with the central contact tracing database and says yes of no for entry. The is a zero chance something like this would be allowed here and GDPR rules would first have to be changed to allow it to work.

rubadub · 21-04-2020 11:05am

nacho libre wrote: »

I think it will be like Christmas for a while once they reopen

When do you think they will reopen? do you think everybody will have vaccines and be 100% safe when returning? if not I don't think it will be jam packed like christmas.

This is not some ridiculous ban like good friday, where it was highly objectionable and there was no physical risk involved to be in a lock in or something.

If they found some loophole that meant you could go to pubs now and there was nothing the government could do, and made it illegal for them to even recommend not doing so, I know I would not be heading to one.

In saying that a pub near me was meant to be raided for having a lock in around the week after paddys day with about 20 people. I was reading about underground parties still happening in Germany.

smelly sock · 21-04-2020 11:09am

Dont miss the pub. If they never opened again i wouldnt care.

You'd hope it might change the culture and habbits we have toward getting ****faced everytime we go for a pint. But i doubt that.

Funny seeing the lads on the dole who propped up bars all weekday mornings amd afternoons with nowhere to go.

Leroy42 · 21-04-2020 11:24am

rubadub wrote: »

When do you think they will reopen? do you think everybody will have vaccines and be 100% safe when returning? if not I don't think it will be jam packed by christmas.

This is not some ridiculous ban like good friday, where it was highly objectionable and there was no physical risk involved to be in a lock in or something.

If they found some loophole that meant you could go to pubs now and there was nothing the government could do, and made it illegal for them to even recommend not doing so, I know I would not be heading to one.

In saying that a pub near me was meant to be raided for having a lock in around the week after paddys day with about 20 people. I was reading about underground parties still happening in Germany.

Yeah I agree. Of course you will get plenty that wil minimise the risks in their own head, just like you have people still smoking or not wearing seatbelts, but for the vast majority the risk is simple not going to worth it.

Fine if you are living on your own or without family, but if you have kids, or elderly parents? Would you take the risk that you could be potentially, and unknowingly, infecting them?

My parents are cocooning, so whilst we Zoom and drop shopping down, myself and even more so the grandkids, are missing hugs and physical interaction with them. Would I put that on for a further 14 days just to have a pint? No way.

And I would hope that others would feel the same, but I won't be able to tell so that puts everything back. Can I let my kids go back playing sport if one of the mentors went to a pub in the two weeks before?

What about going to work? Will going to the pub mean that you need to WFH for a further two weeks?

So I can see why people will want to rush back to the pubs, but I think most people will be quite wary until a vaccine, or we know more about the virus, is achieved.

stephenjmcd · 21-04-2020 11:33am

smelly sock wrote: »

Dont miss the pub. If they never opened again i wouldnt care.

You'd hope it might change the culture and habbits we have toward getting ****faced everytime we go for a pint. But i doubt that.

Funny seeing the lads on the dole who propped up bars all weekday mornings amd afternoons with nowhere to go.

See you dont care if they dont open, personal opinion fine. I enjoy a few after work on a friday if it's been a rough week, unwind with a few friends, once a week no big deal who cares.

It's the 50k jobs in the industry that I'm more concerned about.

Will I go back when they open, yes I'll go back to my local fingers crossed they can reopen and I'll spend my money locally to try bring jobs back as quickly as possible.

There wont be an attitude change in Ireland, people can say oh I'll be sticking with zoom etc no they wont, when the pubs reopen people will be cautious at the start, give it a few weeks and as more things return to normal then behaviour will return to normal.

When they get to open, who knows ?? Let's see how Austria, Denmark etc get on would be my thinking.

nacho libre · 21-04-2020 11:38am

rubadub wrote: »

When do you think they will reopen? do you think everybody will have vaccines and be 100% safe when returning? if not I don't think it will be jam packed like christmas.

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I think pubs will only reopen once we have a vaccine.

machaseh · 21-04-2020 11:41am

I miss meeting up with my friends more than I miss the pub itself honestly. And of course the pub is the place where we often meet up, but in a normal situation we could also meet up at home and drink cans. We cant do any of that now.

nacho libre · 21-04-2020 11:43am

smelly sock wrote: »

Dont miss the pub. If they never opened again i wouldnt care.

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I would. I miss them for live music.

Leroy42 · 21-04-2020 11:43am

nacho libre wrote: »

I think pubs will only reopen once we have a vaccine.

There will also be the time difference between when the vaccine is found and when it will be available. We have already seen Trump steal PPE from other countries, no reason to think we won't do that again, especially given a vaccine would reopen the country.

But you also have the administration of the vaccine. I would thin that frontline workers would be first, - medical professionals, garda, care homes. Then state employees facing the public. All of that takes time, and that is before we get to the general population.

jonnny68 · 21-04-2020 11:47am

badly miss the pubs, not just the gargle but the social aspect with the lads, for the life of me i dont know how anyone just sits at home drinking all the time, mind numblingly boring after a while.

BrokenArrows · 21-04-2020 11:48am

I miss going out for the day with the misses and just stopping into some random pub for a few and possibly a pub lunch before heading home.

briany · 21-04-2020 11:48am

nacho libre wrote: »

I think it will be like Christmas for a while once they reopen, then it will go back to the way it was prior to the lockdown.

Lot of people probably mad to go on the session, so pubs would do great business if they reopened tomorrow. However, once the dust settled on that, I expect a lot of people would think twice about going. Much less casual traffic and stopping in for one or two. Pub business would drop pretty drastically as a result.

smelly sock · 21-04-2020 11:50am

jonnny68 wrote: »

badly miss the pubs, not just the gargle but the social aspect with the lads, for the life of me i dont know how anyone just sits at home drinking all the time, mind numblingly boring after a while.

A lot of people are the opposite. I like a drink at home with a good movie and herself. Maybe some nice food too. 20 bottles of Heineken is 18 euro. It's at least 100 euro in the pub. I prefer to have some friends over once in a while too for a few social ones.

I think tbh that a lot of regular pub goers will now see the difference in their pockets and habits will change in terms of the regularity they go out and ho much they spend. I think the nights of arriving at a pub at 8 and not leaving until 2 may well be behind us if this continues to drag on.

nacho libre · 21-04-2020 12:01pm

Leroy42 wrote: »

There will also be the time difference between when the vaccine is found and when it will be available. We have already seen Trump steal PPE from other countries, no reason to think we won't do that again, especially given a vaccine would reopen the country.

But you also have the administration of the vaccine. I would thin that frontline workers would be first, - medical professionals, garda, care homes. Then state employees facing the public. All of that takes time, and that is before we get to the general population.

Yes, all that is true. So for arguments sake lets say the team at Oxford, who claim they will have a vaccine ready by September, achieve this aim.
How many months would it take before everyone has taken it? Will there be some biometric device whereby those who have had it can be identified, then perhaps they will be allowed to socialise again. Also given that the vaccine would be fast tracked, there might be a percentage of the population who are reluctant to actually take it for fear it is unsafe.

jonnny68 · 21-04-2020 12:04pm

smelly sock wrote: »

A lot of people are the opposite. I like a drink at home with a good movie and herself. Maybe some nice food too. 20 bottles of Heineken is 18 euro. It's at least 100 euro in the pub. I prefer to have some friends over once in a while too for a few social ones.

I think tbh that a lot of regular pub goers will now see the difference in their pockets and habits will change in terms of the regularity they go out and ho much they spend. I think the nights of arriving at a pub at 8 and not leaving until 2 may well be behind us if this continues to drag on.

couldnt care about the cost right now, sick of drinking at home watching the same ****e on TV and Netflix it just doesnt hold the same appeal as going to my local,bored and so is the missus but i miss the pub more.

i absolutely guarantee you if pubs remain closed for a considerable period of time there will be shebens popping up all overt the place, it's not going to stop people.

seamus · 21-04-2020 12:19pm

Leroy42 wrote: »

Yes, clearly the pubs were already in decline prior to all of this. The key question is whether this will hasten that decline (people realise that there is other things to do and new ways to interact) or whether it results in a revival as people realise that real social interaction (meeting face to face rather than FB, Insta or whatever) is much better.

There will be a general rush on people looking for things to do, places to go. And if we end up with a Summer of social distancing, then it's towards the end of the year that it'll really kick in.

So people will want indoor places to go to meet people.

I think this is going to change pubs probably permanently. We'll move away from the sweaty wall-to-wall sardine model, to a more European model where you sit at a table and get pints and food for the entire evening.

Publicans won't like it, but they will adjust over time and they'll realise there's good markup to be made on pub food and a more steady stream of customers if it's not just about the pints.

saabsaab · 21-04-2020 12:22pm

Half thinking of building a garden pub at the bottom of the garden or field. i knew a fella that did this. Small cosy just a few pals two taps.

Thelonious Monk · 21-04-2020 12:23pm

After all the time and money and health I've squandered in pubs over the years I'm actually glad of the break. I will enjoy a nice Guinness when they're back but meanwhile I'm trying to make the most of my less boozy weekends.

21-04-2020 12:42pm

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

As the week has passed I’m definitely getting a growing hankering for a pint of Guinness. Looking forward to that first mouthful whenever it may be.

17 days since this post and it's definitely more than just a hankering for a pint of Guinness that I have.

21-04-2020 12:44pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

After all the time and money and health I've squandered in pubs over the years I'm actually glad of the break. I will enjoy a nice Guinness when they're back but meanwhile I'm trying to make the most of my less boozy weekends.

Refreshing* honesty.

VonLuck · 21-04-2020 12:46pm

I miss the whole music and social aspect of going out. The alcohol is only a small part of it.

I imagine any kind of late bars, clubs, gig venues etc. where crowds or dancing is at the forefront will be closed for some time to come. A great shame.

21-04-2020 12:47pm

smelly sock wrote: »

I think tbh that a lot of regular pub goers will now see the difference in their pockets and habits will change in terms of the regularity they go out and ho much they spend. I think the nights of arriving at a pub at 8 and not leaving until 2 may well be behind us if this continues to drag on.

Im fond of a drink myself, but my pub going habits had changed long before the virus. A couple of pints on the way home from work once or twice a month was the new norm for me. At a fiver a pop, they start to add up.

The days of 10 pints on a Friday night stopped for me, many years ago.

stephenjmcd · 21-04-2020 12:56pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Im fond of a drink myself, but my pub going habits had changed long before the virus. A couple of pints on the way home from work once or twice a month was the new norm for me. At a fiver a pop, they start to add up.

The days of 10 pints on a Friday night stopped for me, many years ago.

Likewise might go into the local after work on a friday or over for a few after a LOI football match, chat about the game, few pints and see you next week.

21-04-2020 1:02pm

Yeah missing it big time to be honest, it’s not for the lack of drink as I’m drinking more if anything during the lockdown than I normally would but for the draught Guinness, having the craic with friends or work colleges, unwinding after work, watching the sport at the bar etc etc. Just miss the whole pub atmosphere really.

Thelonious Monk · 21-04-2020 1:52pm

Brady Cold Bazooka wrote: »

Yeah missing it big time to be honest, it’s not for the lack of drink as I’m drinking more if anything during the lockdown than I normally would but for the draught Guinness, having the craic with friends or work colleges, unwinding after work, watching the sport at the bar etc etc. Just miss the whole pub atmosphere really.

Even the lockdown can't save your liver

Dickie10 · 21-04-2020 10:02pm

i miss the pub shocking, i loved to go to a few regular haunts on a saturday night, it broke up the week lovely for me. now every day is the same , i dont get out of the house at all , jesus i couldnt go on to longer like this. sheebeens will definitly open up if pubs dont. id say some pubs will act as sheebeens in rural ireland. i never drink at home and dont intend to start

Macdarack · 22-04-2020 12:05am

I'd miss it more if it was in the heart of winter, but the weather the way it is and the long evenings and being off the cigarettes 2 months I'm doing good with them closed.
I'd usually do a good night a month and 2or 3 pint once a week. I've plenty of more cash in my pocket too. Personally I'd be happy if they never opened again and just did a decent house party 4 nights a year and a body and soul festival.
Mr selfish tits here BTW.

weldoninhio · 22-04-2020 7:37am

seamus wrote: »

There will be a general rush on people looking for things to do, places to go. And if we end up with a Summer of social distancing, then it's towards the end of the year that it'll really kick in.

So people will want indoor places to go to meet people.

I think this is going to change pubs probably permanently. We'll move away from the sweaty wall-to-wall sardine model, to a more European model where you sit at a table and get pints and food for the entire evening.

Publicans won't like it, but they will adjust over time and they'll realise there's good markup to be made on pub food and a more steady stream of customers if it's not just about the pints.

Some people are living in dreamland.

The chan chan man · 22-04-2020 7:47am

Jasus the thoughts of even being in a jam packed smelly pub now, shoulder to shoulder with everyone.. no thanks!

Rockbeast2 · 22-04-2020 7:51am

I miss the pub like the deserts miss the rain.

stephenjmcd · 22-04-2020 8:18am

weldoninhio wrote: »

Some people are living in dreamland.

Dont think so, they'll have a steady flow of business whenever they open initially, people will want to get out for a meal for example and see people they've not seen in a long time.

It'll level off after the initial few weeks, but the idea that they'll be quiet when they open more than likely isn't going to come to fruition

weldoninhio · 22-04-2020 8:32am

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Dont think so, they'll have a steady flow of business whenever they open initially, people will want to get out for a meal for example and see people they've not seen in a long time.

It'll level off after the initial few weeks, but the idea that they'll be quiet when they open more than likely isn't going to come to fruition

The model isn't going to change from filling the place to drink, to a European model of sitting over a basket of chips for the night.

stephenjmcd · 22-04-2020 8:33am

weldoninhio wrote: »

The model isn't going to change from filling the place to drink, to a European model of sitting over a basket of chips for the night.

Oh yeah no in that sense not a chance.

opinionated3 · 22-04-2020 8:45am

I'm missing the pub big time. Loved going to the village pub, having the chat with the regulars and of course a couple of pints of Guinness. Haven't had a drink since the pub's closed but it's not that that's bothering me, I'm missing the atmosphere and the craic.

kerryjack · 22-04-2020 9:11am

opinionated3 wrote: »

I'm missing the pub big time. Loved going to the village pub, having the chat with the regulars and of course a couple of pints of Guinness. Haven't had a drink since the pub's closed but it's not that that's bothering me, I'm missing the atmosphere and the craic.

Have you tried cracking open a few cans and facetime a few friends that you haven't met with years that live a broad or even down the road. I have a few on the go now and look forward to them. Now not as good as a night out but it has its perks like you can walk from the kitchen to bed handy enough. I reckon the longer pubs are closed and technology improves like you can zoom people in to your living area, virtually of course the pub as we know it could be in real trouble, they will have to offer more like good food or some form of entertainment, I think the day of a pub opening its doors and hoping lads will come in and drink 8 pints that day is gone.

opinionated3 · 22-04-2020 9:14am

kerryjack wrote: »

Have you tried cracking open a few cans and facetime a few friends that you haven't met with years that live a broad or even down the road. I have a few on the go now and look forward to them. Now not as good as a night out but it has its perks like you can walk from the kitchen to bed handy enough. I reckon the longer pubs are closed and technology improves like you can zoom people in to your living area, virtually of course the pub as we know it could be in real trouble, they will have to offer more like good food or some form of entertainment, I think the day of a pub opening its doors and hoping lads will come in and drink 8 pints that day is gone.

No offence, but what you've described there is utterly depressing to me and would in no way make up for the pub itself. I'll hang tough till my local returns, no matter how long that might take.

El_Duderino 09 · 22-04-2020 9:22am

Dickie10 wrote: »

i miss the pub shocking, i loved to go to a few regular haunts on a saturday night, it broke up the week lovely for me. now every day is the same , i dont get out of the house at all , jesus i couldnt go on to longer like this. sheebeens will definitly open up if pubs dont. id say some pubs will act as sheebeens in rural ireland. i never drink at home and dont intend to start

Would you go to a sheebeen if one opened near you?

JimmyVik · 22-04-2020 9:27am

I thought I would miss it badly.
But you know, I dont actually miss it at all.

El_Duderino 09 · 22-04-2020 9:28am

kerryjack wrote: »

Have you tried cracking open a few cans and facetime a few friends that you haven't met with years that live a broad or even down the road. I have a few on the go now and look forward to them. Now not as good as a night out but it has its perks like you can walk from the kitchen to bed handy enough. I reckon the longer pubs are closed and technology improves like you can zoom people in to your living area, virtually of course the pub as we know it could be in real trouble, they will have to offer more like good food or some form of entertainment, I think the day of a pub opening its doors and hoping lads will come in and drink 8 pints that day is gone.

Young people were drinking less and less anyway. The number of lads spending a Saturday doing little other than drinking, was probably always going to decline anyway. Young people are more into fitness than drinking. Fair play to them.

We have a Zoom meeting with a group of mates every Friday or Saturday night too. It's the best thing about the week at the moment and I really look forward to them. We take it in turns to do a quiz as a bit of a focal point but it's all about the craic and having a few drinks together.

stephenjmcd · 22-04-2020 10:01am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Young people were drinking less and less anyway. The number of lads spending a Saturday doing little other than drinking, was probably always going to decline anyway. Young people are more into fitness than drinking. Fair play to them.

We have a Zoom meeting with a group of mates every Friday or Saturday night too. It's the best thing about the week at the moment and I really look forward to them. We take it in turns to do a quiz as a bit of a focal point but it's all about the craic and having a few drinks together.

Not sure about the young people doing less drinking, I'm 25 and it's all you see at the weekends, all the main bars Saturday night have a good mix of regulars and young people. Thats not to say most aren't into fitness, most definitely are. But most young people still look to go out once a week.

Zoom all well and good and it's a different way to see people but its absolutely nothing like properly socialising which I and all my group of friends look forward to doing when the pubs reopen whenever that might be.

El_Duderino 09 · 22-04-2020 10:06am

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Not sure about the young people doing less drinking, I'm 25 and it's all you see at the weekends, all the main bars Saturday night have a good mix of regulars and young people. Thats not to say most aren't into fitness, most definitely are. But most young people still look to go out once a week.

Zoom all well and good and it's a different way to see people but its absolutely nothing like properly socialising which I and all my group of friends look forward to doing when the pubs reopen whenever that might be.

Yeah the stats show that young people drink less than young people were drinking in the past. There are more who don't drink at all or very rarely and as a group they drink a lot less than previous generations. So the pubs couldn't rely on a fresh generation of drinkers to come through and replace the older people. Pubs are on the decline anyway.

Zoom parties are not the same as seeing your friends in person, but they're the best substitute right now. Definitely the highlight of my week at the moment.

Leroy42 · 22-04-2020 10:10am

opinionated3 wrote: »

No offence, but what you've described there is utterly depressing to me and would in no way make up for the pub itself. I'll hang tough till my local returns, no matter how long that might take.

Why though? You said it was the social interaction, and this covers many aspects of it.

It is just a different form of it.

For sure, it doesn't replace going out an meeting new people, you can't get your shift on zoom! but for many groups of friends they only go to the pub to meet up with each other anyway. Why continue to pay 5x the price of the product to do that.

Again it won't be an either or. Nobody is going to stop going to pubs full stop, there will always be a place for the end of month sales party, the birthday party, office party, football matches etc etc. or just want a pint.

The problem is that it won't take much of a drop off, on top of the continuing decline they were already facing, to see many pubs really struggle.

Take the examples cited above, a group of friends decide that instead of heading to the local once a week, which is a struggle sometimes with kids etc, they agree to meet up on Zoom every Saturday for a chat with a few cans. If enough groups do that the pubs will be in serious trouble.

The key problem that this may have on the pubs is that people actually start to seriously look at alternatives.

El_Duderino 09 · 22-04-2020 10:19am

Leroy42 wrote: »

The problem is that it won't take much of a drop off, on top of the continuing decline they were already facing, to see many pubs really struggle.

Take the examples cited above, a group of friends decide that instead of heading to the local once a week, which is a struggle sometimes with kids etc, they agree to meet up on Zoom every Saturday for a chat with a few cans. If enough groups do that the pubs will be in serious trouble.

The key problem that this may have on the pubs is that people actually start to seriously look at alternatives.

The other advantage of Zoom is that you can include the people who live away. We have a zoom party with a group of mates including people in other countries so it has that as a massive advantage over meeting physically.

Pauliedragon · 22-04-2020 10:27am

nacho libre wrote: »

I think pubs will only reopen once we have a vaccine.

If we have a vaccine. There's no guarantee we'll ever have one.

How much do you miss the pub?

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