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Vuelta - Stage 19

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    #32
    Inquitus
    Registered Users Posts: 13,734 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    Sam's come into 14/1 for the World's after his showings in this Vuelta:

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    #33
    MPFGLB
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    Gilbert is a good bet too


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    #34
    brocbrocach
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    If Sam gives all to get in an early break tomorrow he might get to that intermediate sprint. He has to get over a cat 1 but if he kills himself to get over that and then down the other side he can relax afterwards. I'd say it's a given there'll be a break. Roglic won't want to waste his helpers on the first mountain to keep the pesky green jersey.


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    #35
    Inquitus
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    brocbrocach wrote: »
    If Sam gives all to get in an early break tomorrow he might get to that intermediate sprint. He has to get over a cat 1 but if he kills himself to get over that and then down the other side he can relax afterwards. I'd say it's a given there'll be a break. Roglic won't want to waste his helpers on the first mountain to keep the pesky green jersey.

    Agreed Roglic won't go chasing Green, and Sam could take a leaf out of Sagan's Tour de France points playbook getting into the break.


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    #36
    CramCycle
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    I have no issue with Movistar attacking, it is racing, I hat this hanging on for the leaders jersey. No one would hold on for me if I was winning a stage race in Ireland, they'd quite rightly put the hammer down.


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    #37
    TheBlaaMan
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    CramCycle wrote: »
    I have no issue with Movistar attacking, it is racing, I hat this hanging on for the leaders jersey. No one would hold on for me if I was winning a stage race in Ireland, they'd quite rightly put the hammer down.

    A puncture or mechanical is one thing, a crash caused by someone else (or even within his own team) is a bit different, dont you think? Movistar always seem to be the bad boys when these situations crop up.


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    #38
    Boscoirl
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    dastardly00 wrote: »
    Sam said his radio wasn't working. He thought they had caught all the breakaway riders so he thought he was in the lead until he turned the last corner and saw Cavagna!! :(

    He must be gutted


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    #39
    Inquitus
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    Boscoirl wrote: »
    He must be gutted

    Aye especially when he had the beating of Stybar and Gilbert up the ramp, was a Stage there for the taking if his team had been there to close it down in time.


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    #40
    happytramp
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    CramCycle wrote: »
    I have no issue with Movistar attacking, it is racing, I hat this hanging on for the leaders jersey. No one would hold on for me if I was winning a stage race in Ireland, they'd quite rightly put the hammer down.

    Most of the peloton seem to have the opposite opinion. Lopez absolutely laying into movistar and Valverde on twitter. Calling them disrespectful idiots "what a world champion we have", etc.


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    #41
    happytramp
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    Inquitus wrote: »
    Aye especially when he had the beating of Stybar and Gilbert up the ramp, was a Stage there for the taking if his team had been there to close it down in time.

    No way of knowing that. They could have just been marshaling him in case their team mate got caught.


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    #42
    CramCycle
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    Would they have stopped if the crash did not involve the leader? If it was serious enough to stop the race then fair enough but if they wouldn't have been lambasted if other riders were down, then they shouldn't now one specific rider is down. If that's what people are advocating, I agree, but keep it consistently fair or don't do it all. If it was a serious crash, then the comms should neutralise it.


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    #43
    Mefistofelino
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    Its funny when the pros get upset about riders not respecting the "unwritten rules" when several of them can't even follow the actual written ones.


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    #44
    REBELSAFC
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    CramCycle wrote: »
    Would they have stopped if the crash did not involve the leader? If it was serious enough to stop the race then fair enough but if they wouldn't have been lambasted if other riders were down, then they shouldn't now one specific rider is down. If that's what people are advocating, I agree, but keep it consistently fair or don't do it all. If it was a serious crash, then the comms should neutralise it.

    I agree 100%. Crashes are part and parcel of racing. Avoiding them can come down to luck at times but luck plays an integral part of every sport and is one of the elements that make all different types of sport compelling at times.

    Footballers putting the ball out of play when a player is slightly injured also boils my p**s. If the ref wants to stop the play for an injury, let him.


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    #45
    Eamonnator
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    Mefistofelino wrote: »
    Its funny when the pros get upset about riders not respecting the "unwritten rules" when several of them can't even follow the actual written ones.

    It's like yer man said "an oral contract ain't worth the paper it's written on"


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    #46
    retalivity
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    Inquitus wrote: »
    There's an intermediate tomorrow if the peleton goes easy at the start and he gets over the Cat 1. We defo need a break to win tomorrow though and not the GC riders contesting the stage. Wonder when the last time a Sprinter won the Green Jersey at the Vuelta was, I can't remember it.

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    That's not tomorrows stage?
    This is it - the sprint is at the very end as well, sadistic vuelta organisers!

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    #47
    Eamonnator
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    Inquitus wrote: »
    Sam's come into 14/1 for the World's after his showings in this Vuelta:

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    I can't see beyond Van Der Poel for the World's.
    He didn't skip the MTB World Champs. for nothing and he's flying' at the moment.
    And the course suits him down to the ground.
    I suppose that's why he's 5/2.


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    #48
    [Deleted User]
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    Watching him demolish the field on that up hill finish the other day was something else.


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    #49
    Weepsie
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    TheBlaaMan wrote: »
    A puncture or mechanical is one thing, a crash caused by someone else (or even within his own team) is a bit different, dont you think? Movistar always seem to be the bad boys when these situations crop up.

    But they are far more down to bad luck than crashes often are which can be down to handling, and judgement. Now you can say they are down to bad luck if the guy in front goes down, but surely it's a risk of racing.


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    #50
    MPFGLB
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    Eamonnator wrote: »
    I can't see beyond Van Der Poel for the World's.
    He didn't skip the MTB World Champs. for nothing and he's flying' at the moment.
    And the course suits him down to the ground.
    I suppose that's why he's 5/2.

    Sure MVP is very strong but will be well marked and not brought to the line

    Matthews looks good now too

    Will be very hard for Bennett because of the distance and multiple climbs. If he can hide in the pack

    My favourite is Gilbert not least cos Belgium have such a strong team

    If Dan Martin has any format all Ireland could do a late attack and leave Bennett to save energy in the pack


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    #51
    marvin80
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    Bennett just pipped on the last stage - he just about squeezed through a gap and it slowed him down a little and probably cost him the stage, very unlucky.


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    #52
    Ceepo
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    marvin80 wrote: »
    Bennett just pipped on the last stage - he just about squeezed through a gap and it slowed him down a little and probably cost him the stage, very unlucky.

    The lack of a lead out was a huge factor.


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