Vuelta - Stage 19

Inquitus · 13-09-2019 2:09pm #1

Big crash, Roglic down and Movistar missed the crash, went straight to the front and started driving it........Gap already over a minute, and Roglic is alone hanging onto Astana who had Superman Lopez fall as well. Roglic could have the race stolen from him here.

Inquitus · 13-09-2019 2:14pm

Finally they knock it off.

13-09-2019 2:19pm

Race wasn't even on and they put the hammer down after the crash.

Omar Fraile giving Valverde a right earful :pac:

brocbrocach · 13-09-2019 2:34pm

Movistar do this a bit too much, time and time again it's them that attack. I get that there's a cultural difference but you'd love to see karma come calling some day.

neris · 13-09-2019 2:38pm

Load of Bora on the front. Wondering are they setting this up for Sam

MPFGLB · 13-09-2019 3:01pm

Movistar should have kept going

Rubbish rules that apply ot the guy in 1st but not the guy in 2nd or 3rd or10th or 56th

You wait for all crashes ory ou wait for none

Cycling at times is ridiculous

neris · 13-09-2019 3:25pm

Get Sam to Quickstep they're teasing him now

13-09-2019 3:25pm

Wow Sam did well there to finish 2nd.

dastardly00 · 13-09-2019 3:26pm

Ah I don't f**king believe it... Sam second again and beaten by Deceuninck Quick-Sep!!!

c.p.w.g.w · 13-09-2019 3:26pm

2nd for Bennett again.

Is that's 2 stages wins and 3 stage runner ups in this vuelta?

dahat · 13-09-2019 3:27pm

Again a very creditable second for Sam, great result.

happytramp · 13-09-2019 3:27pm

Great ride by Sam.... Sill in the hunt for green Jersey and a chance to complete hat-trick in Madrid. Here's hoping for a massive break tomorrow with a 10+ min gap.

neris · 13-09-2019 3:28pm

Jaysus think that might be more then a dodgy bbq

Inquitus · 13-09-2019 3:29pm

happytramp wrote: »

Great ride by Sam.... Sill in the hunt for green Jersey and a chance to complete hat-trick in Madrid. Here's hoping for a massive break tomorrow with a 10+ min gap.

He'll need some intermediate points to overhaul Roglic I think, 25 for the win in Madrid:

Eamonnator · 13-09-2019 3:29pm

Sam has been 1st or 2nd on a quarter of the stages, so far.

dastardly00 · 13-09-2019 3:32pm

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

2nd for Bennett again.

Is that's 2 stages wins and 3 stage runner ups in this vuelta?

All stages were won by a different Deceuninck Quick-Step rider when Sam was runner-up!

MPFGLB · 13-09-2019 3:35pm

Very poor camera work and timings by the production team but seemed to me Bora had no one chasing after Archbold peeled off

Bora are more interested in backing Majka for 6th place than wining stages

Mefistofelino · 13-09-2019 3:35pm

Inquitus wrote: »

He'll need some intermediate points to overhaul Roglic I think, 25 for the win in Madrid:

There's only one intermediate sprint on Sunday so he'd need to take that and the stage win to be equal to Roglic. Roglic would also need to finish outside the top 15 tomorrow.

c.p.w.g.w · 13-09-2019 3:37pm

dastardly00 wrote: »

All stages were won by a different Deceuninck Quick-Step rider when Sam was runner-up!

I gonna say it...can Sam with in Yorkshire at the end of the month?

MPFGLB · 13-09-2019 3:37pm

Worlds is a very hard course but Ireland needs to back Bennett with Dan Martin in reserve

Inquitus · 13-09-2019 3:38pm

Mefistofelino wrote: »

There's only one intermediate sprint on Sunday so he'd need to take that and the stage win to be equal to Roglic. Roglic would also need to finish outside the top 15 tomorrow.

There's an intermediate tomorrow if the peleton goes easy at the start and he gets over the Cat 1. We defo need a break to win tomorrow though and not the GC riders contesting the stage. Wonder when the last time a Sprinter won the Green Jersey at the Vuelta was, I can't remember it.

Inquitus · 13-09-2019 3:38pm

Degenkolp 2014 and Cav in 2010

dastardly00 · 13-09-2019 3:39pm

Sam said his radio wasn't working. He thought they had caught all the breakaway riders so he thought he was in the lead until he turned the last corner and saw Cavagna!!

c.p.w.g.w · 13-09-2019 3:40pm

MPFGLB wrote: »

Worlds is a very hard course but Ireland needs to back Bennett with Dan Martin in reserve

Bennett is definitely Ireland's strongest option on form

cunavalos · 13-09-2019 3:42pm

MPFGLB wrote: »

Very poor camera work and timings by the production team but seemed to me Bora had no one chasing after Archbold peeled off

Bora are more interested in backing Majka for 6th place than wining stages

I would agree, what was the idea with the mini split after roglic got back on after the crash. 3 Bora riders and valverde. This led to a stall when it was brought back together again. Disappointed for Sam but his performances this Vuelta have exceeded even my biased expectations. Hopefully he caps it off on Sunday with a stage win.

MPFGLB · 13-09-2019 3:45pm

cunavalos wrote: »

I would agree, what was the idea with the mini split after roglic got back on after the crash. 3 Bora riders and valverde. This led to a stall when it was brought back together again. Disappointed for Sam but his performances this Vuelta have exceeded even my biased expectations. Hopefully he caps it off on Sunday with a stage win.

He didn't exceed my expectations ...He is the strongest sprinter in the field by a mile

I like more though that he can do the uphill sprints and beat so many classic riders

For me he is a future classics winner ...

Mefistofelino · 13-09-2019 3:46pm

Inquitus wrote: »

There's an intermediate tomorrow if the peleton goes easy at the start and he gets over the Cat 1. We defo need a break to win tomorrow though and not the GC riders contesting the stage. Wonder when the last time a Sprinter won the Green Jersey at the Vuelta was, I can't remember it.

Given the racing so far, I'd say there's precisely two chances of that.

If Sam and Roglic were to finish on equal points, what's the protocol? - decision based on highest stage placings?

Inquitus · 13-09-2019 4:00pm

Seems the UCI is planning to sanction Roglic for using the cars to get back on, it's being discussed by the race jury anyways.

MPFGLB · 13-09-2019 4:01pm

MPFGLB wrote: »

He didn't exceed my expectations ...He is the strongest sprinter in the field by a mile

I like more though that he can do the uphill sprints and beat so many classic riders

For me he is a future classics winner ...

Of course when Bennett gets to DQS next year he will win classics and one day races as well as sprints

That is if he ever gets away from that Bora shower

dastardly00 · 13-09-2019 4:05pm

MPFGLB wrote: »

Of course when Bennett gets to DQS next year he will win classics and one day races as well as sprints

That is if he ever gets away from that Bora shower

It's Hansgrohe that make the showers... Bora make cooktop extractors

:pac: :pac: :pac:

MPFGLB · 13-09-2019 4:06pm

https://twitter.com/_DennisJ_/status/1172538212432171009?s=20

Inquitus · 13-09-2019 4:17pm

Sam's come into 14/1 for the World's after his showings in this Vuelta:

MPFGLB · 13-09-2019 4:21pm

Gilbert is a good bet too

brocbrocach · 13-09-2019 4:24pm

If Sam gives all to get in an early break tomorrow he might get to that intermediate sprint. He has to get over a cat 1 but if he kills himself to get over that and then down the other side he can relax afterwards. I'd say it's a given there'll be a break. Roglic won't want to waste his helpers on the first mountain to keep the pesky green jersey.

Inquitus · 13-09-2019 4:26pm

brocbrocach wrote: »

If Sam gives all to get in an early break tomorrow he might get to that intermediate sprint. He has to get over a cat 1 but if he kills himself to get over that and then down the other side he can relax afterwards. I'd say it's a given there'll be a break. Roglic won't want to waste his helpers on the first mountain to keep the pesky green jersey.

Agreed Roglic won't go chasing Green, and Sam could take a leaf out of Sagan's Tour de France points playbook getting into the break.

CramCycle · 13-09-2019 4:26pm

I have no issue with Movistar attacking, it is racing, I hat this hanging on for the leaders jersey. No one would hold on for me if I was winning a stage race in Ireland, they'd quite rightly put the hammer down.

TheBlaaMan · 13-09-2019 4:33pm

CramCycle wrote: »

I have no issue with Movistar attacking, it is racing, I hat this hanging on for the leaders jersey. No one would hold on for me if I was winning a stage race in Ireland, they'd quite rightly put the hammer down.

A puncture or mechanical is one thing, a crash caused by someone else (or even within his own team) is a bit different, dont you think? Movistar always seem to be the bad boys when these situations crop up.

Boscoirl · 13-09-2019 4:36pm

dastardly00 wrote: »

Sam said his radio wasn't working. He thought they had caught all the breakaway riders so he thought he was in the lead until he turned the last corner and saw Cavagna!!

He must be gutted

Inquitus · 13-09-2019 4:42pm

Boscoirl wrote: »

He must be gutted

Aye especially when he had the beating of Stybar and Gilbert up the ramp, was a Stage there for the taking if his team had been there to close it down in time.

happytramp · 13-09-2019 4:44pm

CramCycle wrote: »

I have no issue with Movistar attacking, it is racing, I hat this hanging on for the leaders jersey. No one would hold on for me if I was winning a stage race in Ireland, they'd quite rightly put the hammer down.

Most of the peloton seem to have the opposite opinion. Lopez absolutely laying into movistar and Valverde on twitter. Calling them disrespectful idiots "what a world champion we have", etc.

happytramp · 13-09-2019 4:46pm

Inquitus wrote: »

Aye especially when he had the beating of Stybar and Gilbert up the ramp, was a Stage there for the taking if his team had been there to close it down in time.

No way of knowing that. They could have just been marshaling him in case their team mate got caught.

CramCycle · 13-09-2019 4:56pm

Would they have stopped if the crash did not involve the leader? If it was serious enough to stop the race then fair enough but if they wouldn't have been lambasted if other riders were down, then they shouldn't now one specific rider is down. If that's what people are advocating, I agree, but keep it consistently fair or don't do it all. If it was a serious crash, then the comms should neutralise it.

Mefistofelino · 13-09-2019 5:08pm

Its funny when the pros get upset about riders not respecting the "unwritten rules" when several of them can't even follow the actual written ones.

REBELSAFC · 13-09-2019 5:14pm

CramCycle wrote: »

Would they have stopped if the crash did not involve the leader? If it was serious enough to stop the race then fair enough but if they wouldn't have been lambasted if other riders were down, then they shouldn't now one specific rider is down. If that's what people are advocating, I agree, but keep it consistently fair or don't do it all. If it was a serious crash, then the comms should neutralise it.

I agree 100%. Crashes are part and parcel of racing. Avoiding them can come down to luck at times but luck plays an integral part of every sport and is one of the elements that make all different types of sport compelling at times.

Footballers putting the ball out of play when a player is slightly injured also boils my p**s. If the ref wants to stop the play for an injury, let him.

Eamonnator · 13-09-2019 5:20pm

Mefistofelino wrote: »

Its funny when the pros get upset about riders not respecting the "unwritten rules" when several of them can't even follow the actual written ones.

It's like yer man said "an oral contract ain't worth the paper it's written on"

retalivity · 13-09-2019 7:52pm

Inquitus wrote: »

There's an intermediate tomorrow if the peleton goes easy at the start and he gets over the Cat 1. We defo need a break to win tomorrow though and not the GC riders contesting the stage. Wonder when the last time a Sprinter won the Green Jersey at the Vuelta was, I can't remember it.

That's not tomorrows stage?
This is it - the sprint is at the very end as well, sadistic vuelta organisers!

Eamonnator · 13-09-2019 8:34pm

Inquitus wrote: »

Sam's come into 14/1 for the World's after his showings in this Vuelta:

I can't see beyond Van Der Poel for the World's.
He didn't skip the MTB World Champs. for nothing and he's flying' at the moment.
And the course suits him down to the ground.
I suppose that's why he's 5/2.

13-09-2019 10:15pm

Watching him demolish the field on that up hill finish the other day was something else.

MPFGLB · 14-09-2019 1:05am

Eamonnator wrote: »

I can't see beyond Van Der Poel for the World's.
He didn't skip the MTB World Champs. for nothing and he's flying' at the moment.
And the course suits him down to the ground.
I suppose that's why he's 5/2.

Sure MVP is very strong but will be well marked and not brought to the line

Matthews looks good now too

Will be very hard for Bennett because of the distance and multiple climbs. If he can hide in the pack

My favourite is Gilbert not least cos Belgium have such a strong team

If Dan Martin has any format all Ireland could do a late attack and leave Bennett to save energy in the pack

marvin80 · 15-09-2019 5:56pm

Bennett just pipped on the last stage - he just about squeezed through a gap and it slowed him down a little and probably cost him the stage, very unlucky.

Ceepo · 15-09-2019 6:02pm

marvin80 wrote: »

Bennett just pipped on the last stage - he just about squeezed through a gap and it slowed him down a little and probably cost him the stage, very unlucky.

The lack of a lead out was a huge factor.

Vuelta - Stage 19

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