Sri Lanka Bombings 150+ dead

dreamliner · 22-04-2019 2:05pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

i dont think many would advocate "hate" but neither would i advocate turning the other cheek. One must face ones enemies and defeat them.

Absolutely, but who is that 'enemy'? It is very hard to suss rogue individuals out and I trust our security services to protect us (this is something i don't get with this attack, what were the police there at when they knew this was coming but took no action?). Anyway defeating these individuals cannot be left to the common man because we end up with lawlessness and vigilantism.

I'm not accusing you personally of it, but often time i see people wish to wipe all Muslims together when things like this happen, but what about the Muslim family that were there having their breakfast too that got blown out of it by this madman? They are victims as well and their families are wailing in pain right now about their loss the same way of those families from the church are... so you run into issues when you try to blame this all on Islam and Muslims as a whole.

Things like this have to be recognised for what they are, hateful individuals seeking to wreak havoc and cause mayhem among the human race. They want the divide, they want you to hate islam, they want other muslims to hate you, they want a war, crusade whatever you call it, they feed off of the hope they can bring it about.

Guy:Incognito · 22-04-2019 2:07pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Jesus bombs still being found.

One of those times a comma is important.

On the subject of coverage here and the uk. My knowledge of Sri Lanka pretty much begins and end with Romesh Ranganathan, other than what comes up when stuff like this happens. It very much suffers from a case of "thats way over there" syndrome and just doesnt get covered for general day to day stuff unless its a holiday program or something.

markodaly · 22-04-2019 2:21pm

I know it may not be popular to say among the 'woke' generation and those who run western liberal media, but Christians in many parts of the world are being oppressed and killed. This is just another example of it.

RIP to all those who died.

22-04-2019 2:22pm

El_Bee wrote: »

Islam and innocent Muslims are very much as big a victim in all of this, they will be greeted with suspicion and unwelcoming attitudes because of this, this is in the past already we need to move on and forget about this unfortunate incident.

Well that's obviously not true. The dead are bigger victims.

markodaly · 22-04-2019 2:22pm

Also, Sri Lankan government are saying that a foreign power or agency helped carry out these attacks.

riffmongous · 22-04-2019 2:27pm

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

One of those times a comma is important.

On the subject of coverage here and the uk. My knowledge of Sri Lanka pretty much begins and end with Romesh Ranganathan, other than what comes up when stuff like this happens. It very much suffers from a case of "thats way over there" syndrome and just doesnt get covered for general day to day stuff unless its a holiday program or something.

Over 100,00 killed during the civil war, maybe 10,000 of them in 2009 (no one really knows how many for sure), the country is no stranger to mass violence and war crimes from all sides.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_war_crimes_during_the_final_stages_of_the_Sri_Lankan_Civil_War

Galwayguy35 · 22-04-2019 2:38pm

El_Bee wrote: »

Islam and innocent Muslims are very much as big a victim in all of this, they will be greeted with suspicion and unwelcoming attitudes because of this, this is in the past already we need to move on and forget about this unfortunate incident.

The terrorist attack on muslims in NZ was in the news for a month afterwards and rightly so as it was a terrible tragedy but over 200 christians are blown up and you say we should all forget about it in case someone says anything that might make a muslim uncomfortable.

You should really have a word with yourself.

dreamliner · 22-04-2019 2:43pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

The terrorist attack on muslims in NZ was in the news for a month afterwards and rightly so as it was a terrible tragedy but over 200 christians are blown up and you say we should all forget about it in case someone says anything that might make a muslim uncomfortable.

You should really have a word with yourself.

I believe his comment was tongue in cheek

Galwayguy35 · 22-04-2019 2:45pm

dreamliner wrote: »

I believe his comment was tongue in cheek

Ah fair enough.

yerwanthere123 · 22-04-2019 2:52pm

leakyboots wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/22/asos-billionaire-loses-three-children-sri-lanka-anders-holch-povlsen

Owner of ASOS lost 3 children in the bombings

A British man has also lost his wife, son and probably his daughter, who's currently missing. It leaves me speechless, how do you adjust to life after that? How do you go on? I hope I never have to find out.

mvl · 22-04-2019 3:45pm

markodaly wrote: »

Also, Sri Lankan government are saying that a foreign power or agency helped carry out these attacks.

appears govt have blocked social media

https://www.dw.com/en/sri-lanka-bombings-local-islamists-to-blame-government-says/a-48429200

dreamliner · 22-04-2019 3:50pm

mvl wrote: »

appears govt have blocked social media

https://www.dw.com/en/sri-lanka-bombings-local-islamists-to-blame-government-says/a-48429200

Good.

The last thing you need at times like these is fake news going around

smurfjed · 22-04-2019 4:02pm

You can't blame a whole religion for the actions of some "f**kwits..

What is the National Thowheed Jamath?
The National Thowheed Jamath is a radical Muslim group that appeared after the Sri Lankan civil war ended in 2009, and has been linked to the vandalism of Buddhist statues. It preaches extremism, strict interpretations of religious texts, and intolerance of non-Muslims. The group demands the compulsory veiling of Muslim women. NTJ built mosques and madrassas in various parts of the country. Extremism expert Anne Speckhard told the NYT that the group aims to spread hatred, fear and division among the local society.

dreamliner · 22-04-2019 4:13pm

smurfjed wrote: »

You can't blame a whole religion for the actions of some "f**kwits..

What is the National Thowheed Jamath?
The National Thowheed Jamath is a radical Muslim group that appeared after the Sri Lankan civil war ended in 2009, and has been linked to the vandalism of Buddhist statues. It preaches extremism, strict interpretations of religious texts, and intolerance of non-Muslims. The group demands the compulsory veiling of Muslim women. NTJ built mosques and madrassas in various parts of the country. Extremism expert Anne Speckhard told the NYT that the group aims to spread hatred, fear and division among the local society.

They obviously haven't read the texts that encourage co existance and warn of the sin associated with killing any innocent. Cherry picking scripture out of context to justify their actions most likely, nothing new unfortunately

smurfjed · 22-04-2019 4:21pm

sin associated with killing any innocent

There are two Saudi Arabian Airlines cabin crew missing, so it's not as if they only attacked non-Muslims.

dreamliner · 22-04-2019 4:28pm

smurfjed wrote: »

There are two Saudi Arabian Airlines cabin crew missing, so it's not as if they only attacked non-Muslims.

Exactly and likely many more muslims in the hotels killed, which is why i find it so frustrating seeing people on these forums making it out to be a Muslims v the rest issue

MrFresh · 22-04-2019 5:22pm

RandomName2 wrote: »

Reddit is apparently censoring the discussion of Sri Lanka on its breaking news section

https://www.reddit.com/r/unpopularopinion/comments/bfq3y6/reddit_not_covering_the_sri_lanka_bombings_the/

I suppose it's also worth pointing out that within 24 hours of the New Zealand attack, that the thread about it here on boards was 27 pages long.

There's nothing in the way of proof behind that claim about Reddit. Correlation does not equal causation. There is simply less overall interest in the incident as compared to New Zealand or even Notre Dame. If you check out the reactions to the Bataclan, Manchester or Boston massacres you'll see that there is plenty of coverage despite the religion of the offenders. On the other hand, there have been multiple massacres throughout the middle east in the last few years that have gotten no attention from Western media. In reality, if the victims of Sri Lanka had been Muslim there'd probably be very little coverage of it too. The only reason it has as much as it does is due to the number of tourists and the christian denomination of the churches.

dreamliner · 22-04-2019 6:16pm

MrFresh wrote: »

There's nothing in the way of proof behind that claim about Reddit. Correlation does not equal causation. There is simply less overall interest in the incident as compared to New Zealand or even Notre Dame. If you check out the reactions to the Bataclan, Manchester or Boston massacres you'll see that there is plenty of coverage despite the religion of the offenders. On the other hand, there have been multiple massacres throughout the middle east in the last few years that have gotten no attention from Western media. In reality, if the victims of Sri Lanka had been Muslim there'd probably be very little coverage of it too. The only reason it has as much as it does is due to the number of tourists and the christian denomination of the churches.

Precisely, the media focus on what is relevant to us. The rule they appear to follow tends to go more along western/eastern lines than religious ones (and no they are not the same).

A simple demonstration of this is that there have been countless bombs at mosques all over the middle east killing thousands of Muslims over the lat few years, we hear of only a handful of them though.

Yet 50 killed in New Zealand received worldwide coverage ... why such a difference for a much smaller number of victims? Simply the fact it was in the western world and is deemed to be of more interest to people.

Farawayhome · 22-04-2019 6:23pm

Really sad and disgusting this. Horrible, unnecessary deaths. Can't just blanket blame all Muslims though. It's only a certain section of psychos. For example, British armed forces committed several major atrocities far worse than this, were all protestants blamed? Was every British person blamed? Same situation here.

Danzy · 22-04-2019 6:31pm

It is Islam being Islam, one could argue that Muslims themselves are the greatest victims of that violently successful cult.

dreamliner · 22-04-2019 6:38pm

Danzy wrote: »

It is Islam being Islam, one could argue that Muslims themselves are the greatest victims of that violently successful cult.

Care to explain?

BBFAN · 22-04-2019 7:08pm

Farawayhome wrote: »

Really sad and disgusting this. Horrible, unnecessary deaths. Can't just blanket blame all Muslims though. It's only a certain section of psychos. For example, British armed forces committed several major atrocities far worse than this, were all protestants blamed? Was every British person blamed? Same situation here.

There are plenty who believe all protestants or English people are to blame.

Not that I agree but it's just a fact.

Farawayhome · 22-04-2019 9:24pm

BBFAN wrote: »

There are plenty who believe all protestants or English people are to blame.

Not that I agree but it's just a fact.

Yes?

Witchie · 23-04-2019 3:41am

dreamliner wrote: »

Care to explain?

He is right. If a true Muslim was to follow the teachings to it's full extent, more of this would be happening. Thankfully the majority of Muslims understand the meaning of tolerance and just pity us for not believing rather than attack us.

I live in a predominantly Muslim country, my boyfriend is technically a Muslim but really an atheist. ( I say technically coz as an ethnic Malay he HAS to be a Muslim but he doesn't practice, just pretends so he isn't jailed!) He says that technically these bombers are doing the work of Allah and will see it as such. As I say though, thankfully the majority don't want to harm others and are happy to live side by side with us infidels.

I spent some time 2 years ago in Sri Lanka and have some Lanken friends. This hits hard. Such a beautiful country, amazing, kind, sweet people. It's just awful.

WinnyThePoo · 23-04-2019 6:30am

dreamliner wrote: »

Danzy wrote: »

It is Islam being Islam, one could argue that Muslims themselves are the greatest victims of that violently successful cult.

Care to explain?

He really really really really likes talking about Muslims.

donaghs · 23-04-2019 9:19am

smurfjed wrote: »

There are two Saudi Arabian Airlines cabin crew missing, so it's not as if they only attacked non-Muslims.

Stupid. No one suggested they weren't. Other Muslims are the main victims of radical Islam.
But that doesn't mean they have the right to attack other groups.

The problem of radical Islam needs to be clearly identified, and dealt with in various ways (e.g. not just military crack-downs, looking long-term also at stopping or reforming how the Gulf States/Saudi's fund their version of Islam around the world).

bilston · 23-04-2019 10:01am

The nature of these attacks have meant whole or substantial chunks of families have been killed. It's so cruel. I have no idea how that poor poor man from the UK who lost his wife and his two children can ever recover. Sadly he won't be alone, there will be many other similar stories.

Wayne Gorsky · 23-04-2019 10:14am

300+ dead now...

bilston · 23-04-2019 10:34am

CNN website reporting that the Sri Lankan Defence Minister that investigations show that the attacks were in retaliation for Christchurch.

jmayo · 23-04-2019 10:50am

Charles Babbage wrote: »

These bombings are sponsored by extremists outside Sri Lanka, but it is the local Muslim community that will suffer as a consequence.

White extremist kills muslims, it is awful for the poor muslims.
It is the awful white extremists, anti muslim islamophobes right wingers fault.

Muslim extremists slaughter predominantly christians and westerners, it is awful for the muslims.
It is the fault of tiny tiny minority and foreigners.

FFS does anyone ever notice the double standards?

dreamliner wrote: »

A very uneducated post. A people who want to kill will do so, they will find a motive. In fact they feed off people believing and saying what you just said there because it furthers the divide between Muslim, Christian, Jew, Buddhist etc etc and that is exactly what they want - all out mayhem.

Do you ever stop to wonder why islam is now producing so many of these people who just want to kill, and not just kill but slaughter everyone and anyone ?

Witchie wrote: »

...
I live in a predominantly Muslim country, my boyfriend is technically a Muslim but really an atheist. ( I say technically coz as an ethnic Malay he HAS to be a Muslim but he doesn't practice, just pretends so he isn't jailed!)

I remember one poster around here claiming muslim countries were equally as free as Western secular predominantly christian ones.:rolleyes:
And the country you speak of being used as a prime example of this.

Witchie wrote: »

He says that technically these bombers are doing the work of Allah and will see it as such. As I say though, thankfully the majority don't want to harm others and are happy to live side by side with us infidels.

What is your definition of majority here?
The proportion of muslims throughout the world that would tacitly support these attackers is actually quite scary.

There is something toxic in islam and it time people faced up to it.

And that includes the people in countries that tolerate their governments doing business with the states that are the ones most responsible for spreading this toxicity.

RIP to the victims and especially to the likes of that Danish family that lost three of their children.

suicide_circus · 23-04-2019 11:41am

jmayo wrote: »

FFS does anyone ever notice the double standards?

its the bigotry of low expectations. people expect Muslim extremists to conduct terrorism. the reason Christchurch got such publicity was not because Muslims got killed in New Zealand, it was because they were killed by a white westerner.

markodaly · 23-04-2019 11:48am

jmayo wrote: »

White extremist kills muslims, it is awful for the poor muslims.
It is the awful white extremists, anti muslim islamophobes right wingers fault.

Muslim extremists slaughter predominantly christians and westerners, it is awful for the muslims.
It is the fault of tiny tiny minority and foreigners.

FFS does anyone ever notice the double standards?

Of course, there is original sin attached to being white and going bad stuff, while if you are brown skinned and do bad stuff, its because of some white westerns ****ed up their country first, or something to that effect.

Rossi IRL · 23-04-2019 12:31pm

bilston wrote: »

CNN website reporting that the Sri Lankan Defence Minister that investigations show that the attacks were in retaliation for Christchurch.

Reckon that's a bit of a cop-out, can't see something like this being organised in 5 weeks or whatever its been. Surely something this organised would take months?

dreamliner · 23-04-2019 12:36pm

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

He really really really really likes talking about Muslims.

The thread itself became about muslims

And if i see ignorance dominating i shall air my opinion about it, and ignorance in this thread is rife

ThunbergsAreGo · 23-04-2019 12:37pm

Rossi IRL wrote: »

bilston wrote: »

CNN website reporting that the Sri Lankan Defence Minister that investigations show that the attacks were in retaliation for Christchurch.

Reckon that's a bit of a cop-out, can't see something like this being organised in 5 weeks or whatever its been. Surely something this organised would take months?

Or why they would target Sri Lanka

MrFresh · 23-04-2019 12:42pm

Rossi IRL wrote: »

Reckon that's a bit of a cop-out, can't see something like this being organised in 5 weeks or whatever its been. Surely something this organised would take months?

More likely New Zealand will simply be used as an excuse by the attackers.

cj maxx · 23-04-2019 1:34pm

321 dead and likely to rise ! Holy fcuk !

El_Bee · 23-04-2019 1:45pm

cjmc wrote: »

321 dead and likely to rise ! Holy fcuk !

Those poor Easter Worshipers.

jmayo · 23-04-2019 3:32pm

El_Bee wrote: »

Those poor Easter Worshipers.

Actually that term is the craven shyte that has permeated out of the US where we have an ex president and ex secretary of state/presidential candidate refusing to actually use the word christian for fear of or antagonising the modern very vocal groups that are all about inclusivity and tolerance.
Except really they mean only tolerance of their ideas and ideals.

It is the same shyte that gets the happy holidays mullarkey.
BTW that might be something you say to someone going off on their summer holidays.

And that shyte is now being pedaled wholesale here.

Instead of just setting straight the ills and discrimination of our old societies we are going towards punishing any group or sector not once discriminated against.

And also watch who are proposing removing history as mandatory subject from our school curriculums. It will be the very ones that will try then convince the young their twitter 128 character snapshot version of history is correct. :rolleyes:

James Brown · 23-04-2019 3:49pm

El_Bee wrote: »

Those poor Easter Worshipers.

Here's your conspiracy sh*te right here.
Any news report I saw mentioned they were at easter services and that's because easter has a bigger turn out in comparison to regular services and the terrorists knew this. That's why it's relevant.

jmayo wrote: »

Actually that term is the craven shyte that has permeated out of the US where we have an ex president and ex secretary of state/presidential candidate refusing to actually use the word christian for fear of or antagonising the modern very vocal groups that are all about inclusivity and tolerance.
Except really they mean only tolerance of their ideas and ideals.

It is the same shyte that gets the happy holidays mullarkey.
BTW that might be something you say to someone going off on their summer holidays.

And that shyte is now being pedaled wholesale here.

Instead of just setting straight the ills and discrimination of our old societies we are going towards punishing any group or sector not once discriminated against.

And also watch who are proposing removing history as mandatory subject from our school curriculums. It will be the very ones that will try then convince the young their twitter 128 character snapshot version of history is correct. :rolleyes:

Bigoted blarney. It works both ways;

War On Christmas
https://insider.foxnews.com/tag/war-christmas

It's called decency and courtesy. Why should Jews or First nations or any other non-christian demographic have to put up with Christian sh*te? Happy Holidays covers all and doesn't assume your are Christian or put that on you.
You'll find it's the 'save christmas' fox brigade looking to censor history.

The Texas Board of Education voted to remove Hillary Clinton and Helen Keller from school curriculum
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/20/texas-votes-to-remove-hillary-clinton-helen-keller-from-curriculum.html

JP Liz V1 · 23-04-2019 3:51pm

RIP, shocking tragedy, barbaric

Lackey · 23-04-2019 5:00pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Here's your conspiracy sh*te right here.
.[/

You can argue the meaning, or lack of meaning, behind the use of language by Hilary Obama and others about both atrocities.

But it is fact not theory, that when the horrendous murders occoured in NZ, those murders were called exactly what they were using the proper terms ‘Muslims’ ‘Islam’
And when the horrendous murders in Sri Lanka happened the term ‘Easter worshipers ‘ was coined and ‘Christian’ was not used.

James Brown · 23-04-2019 6:20pm

Lackey wrote: »

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Here's your conspiracy sh*te right here.
.[/

You can argue the meaning, or lack of meaning, behind the use of language by Hilary Obama and others about both atrocities.

But it is fact not theory, that when the horrendous murders occoured in NZ, those murders were called exactly what they were using the proper terms ‘Muslims’ ‘Islam’
And when the horrendous murders in Sri Lanka happened the term ‘Easter worshipers ‘ was coined and ‘Christian’ was not used.

Can you show this? Because...

Easter bombings leave Sri Lankan Christians reeling in shock
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/22/asia/sri-lanka-bombing-st-sebastian-intl/index.html

As the Sri Lanka attacks show, Christians worldwide face serious persecution
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/21/sri-lanka-attacks-christians-worldwide-persecution-silence

Christianity under attack? Sri Lanka church bombings stoke far-right anger in the West.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2019/04/22/christianity-under-attack-sri-lanka-church-bombings-stoke-far-right-anger-west/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.2ab1eccdc9a9

Sri Lanka bomb attacks targeting Christians kill 290, including 39 foreign tourists
https://fox59.com/2019/04/22/sri-lanka-bomb-attacks-targeting-christians-kill-290-including-39-foreign-tourists/

Easter Sunday Bombs in Sri Lanka Target Christians and Tourists, Kill Hundreds
https://www.thedailybeast.com/sri-lanka-attacks-as-many-as-200-dead-and-560-injured-in-multiple-attacks-against-christians-and-foreigners-on-easter-sunday

Gimme A Pound · 23-04-2019 6:59pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

It's called decency and courtesy. Why should Jews or First nations or any other non-christian demographic have to put up with Christian sh*te? Happy Holidays covers all and doesn't assume your are Christian or put that on you.
You'll find it's the 'save christmas' fox brigade looking to censor history.

Christian "shyte"? But everyone is aware when it's Christmas. That comes across as pretty mean-spirited. Would you talk about Muslim shyte or Jewish shyte? I am not religious but you're talking about decency and courtesy - why can't you afford the same to a Christian festival? (And it's still inclusive to non Christians or to atheists).

jmayo · 23-04-2019 7:28pm

Alia Billions Trolley wrote: »

Christian "shyte"? But everyone is aware it's Christmas. That comes across as pretty mean-spirited. Would you talk about Muslim shyte or Jewish shyte? I am not religious but you're talking about decency and courtesy - why can't you afford the same to a Christian festival? (And it's still inclusive to non Christians or to atheists).

nah it is just the typical p*ss all over anything christian, particularly catholic, but don't you dare say anything bad about you know who.

Jews have also been thrown under the bus as after all, Israel. :rolleyes:

Sardonicat · 23-04-2019 7:34pm

Lackey wrote: »

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Here's your conspiracy sh*te right here.
.[/

You can argue the meaning, or lack of meaning, behind the use of language by Hilary Obama and others about both atrocities.

But it is fact not theory, that when the horrendous murders occoured in NZ, those murders were called exactly what they were using the proper terms ‘Muslims’ ‘Islam’
And when the horrendous murders in Sri Lanka happened the term ‘Easter worshipers ‘ was coined and ‘Christian’ was not used.

Easter is specifically Christian! Does one even have to qualify 'Easter' with the word 'Christian '? ! The whole basis of Christianity rests on Easter.

Will I Am Not · 23-04-2019 7:57pm

Is there even a book of condolence in this country for Sri Lanka?

Lackey · 23-04-2019 8:56pm

Matt Barrett ..

.I already posted screen shots

Also if you google Easter worshipers there’s pages of news stories relating to the use of the term.

Danzy · 23-04-2019 9:26pm

Sardonicat wrote: »

Lackey wrote: »

Easter is specifically Christian! Does one even have to qualify 'Easter' with the word 'Christian '? ! The whole basis of Christianity rests on Easter.

If someone called the people shot in Christchurch black stone worshippers, people would have known.

It would still have marked one out as a pompous prick.

dreamliner · 23-04-2019 9:31pm

Danzy wrote: »

Sardonicat wrote: »

If someone called the people shot in Christchurch black stone worshippers, people would have known.

It would still have marked one out as a pompous prick.

Not at all an accurate comparison.

An accurate comparison would've been calling them 'friday worshippers' - which to be fair they often are called that!

Anyway is this really a relevant topic? 300+ people are blown to bits and we're talking about a term some papers did or didn't use? Talk about missing the point

Sri Lanka Bombings 150+ dead

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