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Does Ireland have a drug problem or not?

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    #92
    weldoninhio
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    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    Teenagers actually know and are mindful of their limits with drugs...? That's a new one.



    The dealers. They tend to be very strict about that or it's not worth their while. They're also careful about who the sell to and people even close to looking under 18 will be ignored. It's one thing to be caught distributing, it's a whole new ball game if you're caught distributing to a minor. They have enough customers so that they can afford to be choosy who the have nothing to gain from falling into a potential sting operation.

    Of course, if could be an older relative obtaining it, but the amount of kids with that kind of access is minimal to say the least and completely rules out them doing it "every weekend".

    Your claim falls apart on several aspects: 1) mass access, 2)cost, 3)the idea that you actually overheard them talking about it (not to mention the fact that they were actually telling the truth and not just boasting, and 4) they're responsible with their useage (!!)

    Ultimately, it's not easy to get, to use and not cheap to get it for an adult, the idea that most teenagers have it every weekend simpley because you overheard an unlikely conversation completely laughable.

    What planet are you living on???


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    #93
    mikeecho
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    We can stop anytime we want


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    #94
    corner of hells
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    noubliezjamais wrote: »
    What about benzos? It seems benzos (and downer/depressant drugs) in general like opiates, benzos, GHB, bdz's, are for some reason not as popular here

    Polydrug use a serious problem in Ireland amongst addicts.
    The assumption that heroin is solely the "drug" of choice is wrong.
    Some addicts are and will take everything from benzos right across the board to high end pain killers like Lyrica and Tranex.

    There is a small significant problem now with "crack" use as well as prescription medication and tablets manufactured in home made labs.


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    #95
    akelly02
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    I dont like cocaine i just love the smell of it


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    #96
    Geuze
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    dodderangler wrote: »
    Yes of course there’s a drug problem. It’s blatantly obvious. I’d say about 70% of people in a pub at any time is on coke. Weed hash is no longer a massive issue. Coke is the main problem. MDMA is more s country thing. Ketamine is huge among younger groups. 18-25 year olds. Because it’s cheap as ****.
    Speaking from my past as someone that couldn’t go for s pint without cocaine it’s too easy to get and doesn’t take much persuasion to get some.
    So yes we do have s massive drug problem

    I visit pubs every week.

    70% of the customers are using cocaine??

    I do not believe that.


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    #97
    [Deleted User]
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    Massive drugs issues in the area I live, and the surrounding areas in general.

    I find things like these minimum unit prices for alcohol, etc. won't make things any better either, as those that would rarely touch drugs will be priced out of alcohol.

    I've never touched drugs in my life, myself, but i see the ill effects of it regularly (and I don't work in any drug related profession).

    It's a scourge, but there seems to be little to no fight against it. Drug dealers have literal gangs that take over estates, and towns even, and ruin it for everyone. The Gardai are useless and the judicial service loves to give a slap on the wrist, so there's no punishment.

    I reckon, in many areas, vigilantism is going to be making a swift re-appearance.


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    #98
    yourdeadwright
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    What planet are you living on???

    I wonder is this how naive the average Irish person is ?
    The whole post is so far from the reality of drugs and reads like something form the parish progress in the 1980''s


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    #99
    [Deleted User]
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    Stab*City wrote: »
    Reading too many leaflets.




    To be fair, he's right about the traveller part, though. Drug dealing seems to be the go-to option for income for travellers. Almost every traveller family I know of, is dabbling in it, and causing havoc along the way.


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    #100
    jobbridge4life
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Massive drugs issues in the area I live, and the surrounding areas in general.

    I find things like these minimum unit prices for alcohol, etc. won't make things any better either, as those that would rarely touch drugs will be priced out of alcohol.

    I've never touched drugs in my life, myself, but i see the ill effects of it regularly (and I don't work in any drug related profession).

    It's a scourge, but there seems to be little to no fight against it. Drug dealers have literal gangs that take over estates, and towns even, and ruin it for everyone. The Gardai are useless and the judicial service loves to give a slap on the wrist, so there's no punishment.

    I reckon, in many areas, vigilantism is going to be making a swift re-appearance.

    What fantasy/horror version of Ireland are you living in? Whole towns seized by gangs...


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    #101
    [Deleted User]
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    This thread is hilarious :D

    The Daily Mail comments sections must be mad quiet today!

    Ireland has got a serious drug problem...

    ...They're still illegal!


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    #102
    TerrorFirmer
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    Some amount of waffle in this thread. 70% of people in a pub at any one time are on coke.


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    #103
    jobbridge4life
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    ArchXStanton wrote: »
    The drug problem in my home town is unbelievable, you'd get a bag of coke here easier than the city centre, every pub toilet cistern is coated in vaseline to try deter would be users.

    This is a complete fiction. An embarrassing fiction.


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    #104
    El_Bee
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    We may not have any snow, but Dublin is still buried in white powder.


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    #105
    turdball
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    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    This is a complete fiction. An embarrassing fiction.

    100%, don't think he realizes people have phones they can snort it off.

    Also if we want to get serious could be a potential law suit waiting to happen.


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    #106
    raze_them_all_
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    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    This is a complete fiction. An embarrassing fiction.

    people used to put polish on the back of a jacks where i worked


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    #107
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
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    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    I wonder is this how naive the average Irish person is ?
    The whole post is so far from the reality of drugs and reads like something form the parish progress in the 1980''s

    ... said the guy who believes everything he hears from 17 year old kids and exaggerates it to national proportions on the basis that any given teenager MUST have complete access to any given drug at any given time.

    Totally believable viewpoint based on totally reliable source. Yeah....

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    #108
    dartboardio
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    Absolutely. I’m a 20 year old girl from a city in Ireland and unfortunate to say there is definitely a drug problem, including myself and friends. Over the last few years it became way too normal to get mdma or coke or ‘yokes’ on a night out, and it’s been way too normal for someone to actually look like they need to go to hospital back at an after party. I have a cousin on either side who look like just normal teenagers from the outside and from a respectful family, but have awful issues with drugs and take them way too much and have lost many jobs due to the ‘session’

    It’s not even ‘recreational’ it’s take enough that you’d terrify yourself if you seen a picture of yourself. Most don’t even enjoy it anymore just do it out of habit I’m sure!

    I myself end up taking stuff every so often still and always regret it the next morning.

    Tbh I wish it wasn’t normal in this country to abuse alcohol and drugs.


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    #109
    NIMAN
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    dartboardio wrote: »
    Absolutely. I’m a 20 year old girl from a city in Ireland and unfortunate to say there is definitely a drug problem, including myself and friends. Over the last few years it became way too normal to get mdma or coke or ‘yokes’ on a night out, and it’s been way too normal for someone to actually look like they need to go to hospital back at an after party. I have a cousin on either side who look like just normal teenagers from the outside and from a respectful family, but have awful issues with drugs and take them way too much and have lost many jobs due to the ‘session’

    It’s not even ‘recreational’ it’s take enough that you’d terrify yourself if you seen a picture of yourself. Most don’t even enjoy it anymore just do it out of habit I’m sure!

    I myself end up taking stuff every so often still and always regret it the next morning.

    Tbh I wish it wasn’t normal in this country to abuse alcohol and drugs.

    You can make the decision not to, of course. Your call.

    If others like your cousins want to wreck their lives, that's their decision. No-one elses.

    I have yet to hear of anything positive to come out of someone taking drugs.


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    #110
    Sam Quentin
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    Unless you're in the know,.then you would think Ireland has a bigger drug problem than it actually has.... Lots of 'kids' you see on a night out in all towns and cities across Ireland and who you would assume are out of their heads on drugs,.are actually out of their heads(poisoned) through over consumption of alcohol,.massive amounts of alcohol are being consumed by youngsters through shots,.a shot(back in the day)use to be a luxury,a celebration of something special. Let's have a tequila (yes just one)to celebrate Jimmy emigrating to London or whatever...... Nowadays 'kids' are throwing them into their wee bodies all the way through their night out,.just like I use to throw pints of beer into mine... I assume most you guys 35+ agree!?

    Ps: I also agree there is a substantial drug problem in Ireland among young people.


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    #111
    joeguevara
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    Where I live drugs are absolutely everywhere. On a night out it would be easier to count the people that are not taking cocaine in the bars than those that are. There is no discriminating with age and it’s the 18 year olds right up to grandparents. Everyone seems to have a bag with them.

    But the real issue isn’t drug taking as I don’t see the negative affects (i don’t take drugs) that are portrayed in the media. Of my friend group 2 have ended up in the John of Gods but from alcohol. I don’t take drugs because of my addictive personality rather than an anti drug stance. But I do believe that legalization would have nothing but a positive affect. Being against the law doesn’t do anything only fuel criminality and the likelihood that drugs are tainted.

    If you take criminality out of it and have a supplybthat was tested regulated and taxed then what is the issue. There was a newspaper page recently where three guys were jailed for over 10 years each for cocaine supply and directly underneath a guy who had thousands of child pornographic images got a suspended sentence with no jail time. The worst thing is was that it was the same judge.

    The war on drugs doesn’t work. Drugs aren’t inherently bad but the way they are sold are. A farmer in Colombia gets 3 dollars for a kilo of pure cocaine and by the time it gets here is worth upwards of 25k. That is the issue.

    I have lived in about 15 countries in 3 continents and I have never seen as many people take drugs as I do now. Something has to change. If you take the business away from organized crime gangs the murder will stop. They would convert into legitimate businesses and society as a whole will improve. People will say that drugs are bad. Maybe but why continue in a way that just doesn’t work.


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    #112
    NIMAN
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    joeguevara wrote: »
    Where I live drugs are absolutely everywhere. On a night out it would be easier to count the people that are not taking cocaine in the bars than those that are. There is no discriminating with age and it’s the 18 year olds right up to grandparents. Everyone seems to have a bag with them.

    But the real issue isn’t drug taking as I don’t see the negative affects (i don’t take drugs) that are portrayed in the media. Of my friend group 2 have ended up in the John of Gods but from alcohol. I don’t take drugs because of my addictive personality rather than an anti drug stance. But I do believe that legalization would have nothing but a positive affect. Being against the law doesn’t do anything only fuel criminality and the likelihood that drugs are tainted.

    If you take criminality out of it and have a supplybthat was tested regulated and taxed then what is the issue. There was a newspaper page recently where three guys were jailed for over 10 years each for cocaine supply and directly underneath a guy who had thousands of child pornographic images got a suspended sentence with no jail time. The worst thing is was that it was the same judge.

    The war on drugs doesn’t work. Drugs aren’t inherently bad but the way they are sold are. A farmer in Colombia gets 3 dollars for a kilo of pure cocaine and by the time it gets here is worth upwards of 25k. That is the issue.

    I have lived in about 15 countries in 3 continents and I have never seen as many people take drugs as I do now. Something has to change. If you take the business away from organized crime gangs the murder will stop. They would convert into legitimate businesses and society as a whole will improve. People will say that drugs are bad. Maybe but why continue in a way that just doesn’t work.

    Is there anyone who could honestly say they are good?


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    #113
    joeguevara
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    NIMAN wrote: »
    Is there anyone who could honestly say they are good?

    Yes. The vast majority of people who go out and take drugs at the weekend. People who have self control and don’t live in a crack den or go robbing for their habit. 95% of people who take drugs and enjoy them for what they are would say they are good. They have no addiction problems and don’t take them thinking they are bad.

    The people who say drugs are bad are talking about the violence and criminalitybtbat exists because of their legal status. Normally the people who say drugs are bad have no clue about them or the poor family of someone who has overdosed because the drug was tainted, contained poisonous substances or was stronger than expected due to the fact that they are manufactured in an illegal laboratory or a backstreet mixing factory.


    Rarely are the normal people who enjoy the effects on a regular basis interviewed because where is the story?


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    #114
    NIMAN
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    joeguevara wrote: »
    Yes. The vast majority of people who go out and take drugs at the weekend. People who have self control and don’t live in a crack den or go robbing for their habit. 95% of people who take drugs and enjoy them for what they are would say they are good. They have no addiction problems and don’t take them thinking they are bad.

    The people who say drugs are bad are talking about the violence and criminalitybtbat exists because of their legal status. Normally the people who say drugs are bad have no clue about them or the poor family of someone who has overdosed because the drug was tainted, contained poisonous substances or was stronger than expected due to the fact that they are manufactured in an illegal laboratory or a backstreet mixing factory.


    Rarely are the normal people who enjoy the effects on a regular basis interviewed because where is the story?

    And what's to stop any single person who thinks they have always had positive outcome of taking drugs, from being the next victim?


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    #115
    joeguevara
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    NIMAN wrote: »
    And what's to stop any single person who thinks they have always had positive outcome of taking drugs, from being the next victim?

    But that’s exactly my point. The way it is now you can’t. But properlybregulated and taken away from criminals would be in a better situation to make an informed decision. Every argument against drugs is based on the current way they are sold. But it doesn’t work. At the end of the day drugs are only a substance that are illegal and allow criminals decide what people put in their body. Does it stop people taking them. No. So what’s your point?


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    #116
    NIMAN
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    joeguevara wrote: »
    But that’s exactly my point. The way it is now you can’t. But properlybregulated and taken away from criminals would be in a better situation to make an informed decision. Every argument against drugs is based on the current way they are sold. But it doesn’t work. At the end of the day drugs are only a substance that are illegal and allow criminals decide what people put in their body. Does it stop people taking them. No. So what’s your point?

    Well in that case, I'd agree with you totally.

    As it stands, I think taking drugs is a mugs game. We have all heard countless stories of young folk who happened to take something that didn't agree with them and now they are dead. And for that reason I never had the inclination to take drugs (other than alcohol). I still don't think anyone could say their life is better for taking drugs.

    Of course with regulation you would be spared that risk. Plus it would put a lot of criminals out of business, and raise plenty of taxes too.


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    #117
    BalcombeSt4
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    Well I'm high on cocaine as type this. so, yeah.


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    #118
    NIMAN
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    BalcombeSt4 wrote: »
    Well I'm high on cocaine as type this. so, yeah.

    Living the dream so.
    High on coke and surfing boards.


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    #119
    Sawduck
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    Not at all, look at places like America where there is kids selling on street corners, we don't have those issues in fact it's getting harder to get weed these days, Irish people just overreact


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    #120
    joeguevara
    Registered Users Posts: 8,041 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Well in that case, I'd agree with you totally.

    As it stands, I think taking drugs is a mugs game. We have all heard countless stories of young folk who happened to take something that didn't agree with them and now they are dead. And for that reason I never had the inclination to take drugs (other than alcohol).

    Of course with regulation you would be spared that risk. Plus it would put a lot of criminals out of business, and raise plenty of taxes too.

    It’s a no brained really. I have not heard one logical argument that can convince me that legalizing drugs is not a good idea. When you start at the point that the current situation doesn’t work and doesn’t stop people taking drugs (and I’m talking everybage and facet of society) then how can taking the sale and supply away from criminals who don’t care about the end user be anything but a positive step.

    The only thing I would call you up on is your point is your comment about countless people dying from drugs. Yes people die and it’s always a tragedy but the number is remarkably low even when you take into consideration that they are manufactured by criminals. More people die from alcohol and cigarettes than all the drugs combined. Hell even sugar claims millions of times more than every drug put together. When you take that and the fact that most of the people who do die from drugs is actually caused by what is mixed with them, the fact that synthetic substitutes aren’t tested and the user didn’t know what they are taking or the fact that they didn’t know the potency is even a bigger reason for the legalization.

    Now I am not stupid enough to think that it wouldn’t have its downside but anything is better than what we have now.


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    #121
    joeguevara
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    Sawduck wrote: »
    Not at all, look at places like America where there is kids selling on street corners, we don't have those issues in fact it's getting harder to get weed these days, Irish people just overreact

    I don’t think it’s an over reaction. In my local there are countless people who sell it. Now this is a normal pub and not a backstreet dive. I think people who don’t see your stereotypical street seller down play drugs in society. It is literally everywhere. Every house party you go to there will be more people taking drugs than not. In my lifetime I have never seen more people taking cocaine on the weekend than I have in the past 3-4 years.


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