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Brendan Dassey's conviction overturned

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  • #102
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,007 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Captain_Crash wrote: »
    They most certainly can. But as of now, legally he's no longer a convict, and has no charges against him. As such; in the eyes of the law he's a free man, except he's not.

    I agree with you but there's a process. In August the judge overturned his conviction and ordered him to be conditionally released in 90 days.

    This week the state filed an emergency motion to prevent Dassey's release.

    That motion was denied and yesterday the judge ordered that Dassey be released by 8pm tomorrow night.

    In the eyes of the law, rightly or wrongly, he's not a free man until then.


  • #103
    Awesomeness
    Registered Users Posts: 2,589 ✭✭✭Awesomeness


    http://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2016/1117/832566-making-a-murderers-brendan-dassey-will-not-be-released/

    Despite his conviction being overturned he has to remain in jail.

    By the way I hate that the news is in the "entertainment" section


  • #104
    Winterlong
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭Winterlong


    Jesus, having to remain in prison after your conviction was overturned must be salt in the wound.


  • #105
    alexonhisown
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 667 ✭✭✭alexonhisown


    Jeeze, cant believe it, thats awful


  • #106
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,007 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Ah FFS, that's inhuman. :mad:


  • #107
    Winterlong
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭Winterlong


    Birmingham 6 and Guilford 4 were on the streets minutes after their conviction was overturned. I suppose Wisconsin is different to the UK.


  • #108
    Beefy78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,166 ✭✭✭Beefy78


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Avery was wrongly convicted (innocent/guilty or not!) as there was insufficient/tainted evidence and more than reasonable doubt of his guilt .......... the fact that the Jury did not do their duty and found him guilty anyway does not change that fact.
    I'll say it again, he was not found guilty in a court of law beyond a reasonable doubt.



    Both Avery and Dassey were convicted in a court of law of the same crime with the same "evidence" by the same prosecutor ......... you have decided that one was actually guilty whilst the other was completely innocent .......... that's the very definition of cherry-picking logic. :rolleyes:

    If you at least thought they were both innocent/guilty then you would be demonstrating some form of logical consistency with your argument.

    This is purely your opinion. An opinion based on a massively biased television show btw. The two men were tried separately with different charges, evidence and juries.

    The fact is that Avery was found guilt. A fact that you seem to be in denial of.


  • #109
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    Beefy78 wrote: »
    This is purely your opinion.

    Yes, of course it is, obviously ......... what else could it possibly be? :confused: In your opinion .......... ???
    Beefy78 wrote: »
    An opinion based on a massively biased television show btw.

    Not at all ........... my interest and research, though sparked by MAM, goes much much deeper.
    Beefy78 wrote: »
    The two men were tried separately with different charges, evidence and juries.

    The same crime though and, more importantly, by the same Prosecutor ........
    Beefy78 wrote: »
    The fact is that Avery was found guilt. A fact that you seem to be in denial of.

    Brendan was also found Guilty yet you believe him to be innocent ......... and it wasn't the first time Mr. Avery has been convicted of a crime he did not commit.


  • #110
    andromeda76
    Registered Users Posts: 92 ✭✭andromeda76


    Two years on, and a second season.How does everyone feel about these two men. Innocent or guilty?


  • #111
    shamrock55
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,212 ✭✭✭shamrock55


    I've no doubt they are innocent


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  • #112
    Dontfadeaway
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 889 ✭✭✭Dontfadeaway


    mackeire wrote: »
    Just reading through this thread and realising that boards.ie has so many detectives, law experts and crime experts!

    The documentary was basically told in a manner to make Avary and Dassey look innocent. It was biased beyond belief!!
    If there was another documentary called 'catching a murderer' and was told from the police and prosecutors perspective, it would tell a completely different story!

    Don't believe everything that you see/read!!

    It's coming. :pac:


  • #113
    JustAYoungLad
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 206 ✭✭JustAYoungLad


    andromeda76 wrote: »
    Two years on, and a second season.How does everyone feel about these two men. Innocent or guilty?

    Dassey innocent. Avery guilty or complicit


  • #114
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Haven't seen season 2 but I am not sure about Avery, however I think the documentary, while certainly biased, was that way because that's how things naturally stacked up. The manner of evidence collection or lack thereof appeared very alarming. The prosecution was given plenty of opportunity to air its side, the Halbach family were also offered interviews but declined (apart from Teresa's brother).

    None of the above means Steven is definitely innocent, but dirty tactics seemed very much to be deployed.

    It didn't hide that Steven was no angel either.


  • #115
    Uriel.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,061 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    I don't know whether either is guilty or innocent. But, I believe Neither of them, but Dassey in particular, should be in prison based on the evidence used to convict them. I struggle to see how Dassey's confession can be considered sound and if that's their measure of a safe conviction then the justice system is seriously broken.

    There also appears to be a lot of holes and inconsistencies in the evidence used to convict Avery.

    I just don't know whether the police and state forces, for its own motives, tried to frame Avery, or whether they were absolutely certain he committed the crimes but were fearful of securing a conviction, so planted evidence etc. Either way it is very wrong.

    After watching both parts of the McCabe story I have a very open mind as to what the authorities will go to a) protect themselves and b) secure a desired outcome.


  • #116
    frankythefish
    Closed Accounts Posts: 339 ✭✭frankythefish


    A lot of people can say that Dassey innocent. Yet he was put himself in jail ultimately. He told them in detail how he participated in the murder. If he was trying to be funny I think he ll have stopped laughing by now. People say that he naive under questioning. That still does nt excuse him from the consequences of him 'fabricating' a story re how he participated in the murder. Was he deemed insane at time? I don't think so


  • #117
    JustAYoungLad
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 206 ✭✭JustAYoungLad


    frankythefish wrote: »
    A lot of people can say that Dassey innocent. Yet he was put himself in jail ultimately. He told them in detail how he participated in the murder. If he was trying to be funny I think he ll have stopped laughing by now. People say that he naive under questioning. That still does nt excuse him from the consequences of him 'fabricating' a story re how he participated in the murder. Was he deemed insane at time? I don't think so

    He’s sub 80 IQ. The confession he gave under coercion didnt even match the police’s reconstruction.

    Even if he did have a hand, that confession seems void.


  • #118
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Just finished Season 2 yesterday. It's very drawn out compared to the first. Five episodes would have done them.

    Do I think they're guilty, nope.
    I think Bobby Dassey did it with his mate.


  • #119
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    Bobby’s internet history alone is enough to convince me he had at least the potential to commit such a crime. The biggest WTF moment for me was the coroner being prevented from doing her job and told she would be arrested if she arrived on the scene.
    Still not sure on Avery, but I do know that if he did kill her, it was not in the manner the prosecution suggests, and so for that alone he should not be in jail.
    Brendan was so intellectually stunted he would have admitted to 9/11 in that interview. My heart is actually bruised for him. I feel his legal counsel, although they had the best of intentions, let him down as they were remarkably out of their depth.
    Zellner impressed me the most. Nothing but admiration for that woman.


  • #120
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Gracie Brief Sprite wrote: »
    Haven't seen season 2 but I am not sure about Avery, however I think the documentary, while certainly biased, was that way because that's how things naturally stacked up. The manner of evidence collection or lack thereof appeared very alarming. The prosecution was given plenty of opportunity to air its side, the Halbach family were also offered interviews but declined (apart from Teresa's brother).

    None of the above means Steven is definitely innocent, but dirty tactics seemed very much to be deployed.

    It didn't hide that Steven was no angel either.

    Downplayed stuff though. The cat incident was more disturbing than was portrayed in the documentary.

    I didn’t watch the first series religiously so I won’t be getting into an in-depth discussion but my impression was that Dassey was innocent and that it was not beyond a reasonable doubt that Avery murdered Halbach. So neither should be behind bars, I guess. But like I said, I didn’t pay attention to it all the time whenever hubs was watching it and haven’t read much about it either (aside from the cat incident which was fleshed out a bit more wherever I read about it) so I’m no expert and even got bored whilst writing this post. :D


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  • #121
    timthumbni
    Registered Users Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    Whenever Brendan was asked if he had any weapons (from memory) on him and he said he had a CD I realised Brendan was ****ed.


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