House builds up 25%

Wheeliebin30 · 07-02-2019 11:07pm #1

https://www.thejournal.ie/housing-completion-cso-2018-4482831-Feb2019/

18,000 Houses built last year.

Just waiting for the whingers and the but what about the homeless Margaret Cash and social housing brigade to come along.

punisher5112 · 07-02-2019 11:11pm

So many were built to rent though.

Hedge funds/ vulture funds getting in while the market is hot and big money to be made in rentals.

We should have policy and laws in place to stop the housing prices going out of control.

Near me a house which resembles a shed and is tiny went for over €500k another was just a 2 bed went for €545k and another got over €600k.....

Absolutely nuts as in they were once council houses too.

beejee · 07-02-2019 11:18pm

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/pme/populationandmigrationestimatesapril2018/

This is a game that cannot be won. No matter how many more houses they supposedly build, the number of people is increasing at an even greater pace. In other words, housing provision is falling further and further behind with each day (each minute, each second even!)

It will crash hard.

Wheeliebin30 · 07-02-2019 11:19pm

Who cares?

Peoole who need houses for themselves got them , why is there a priority for the disadvantaged over working people?

SEPT 23 1989 · 07-02-2019 11:22pm

Mad how we built and built and built to put a roof over the heads of everyone who wanted a home in the early to late part of the last century when we were a basket case of an economy

So many things were wrong back then but in fairness to the powers that be they got the basic stuff right

Wheeliebin30 · 07-02-2019 11:24pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Mad how we built and built and built to put a roof over the heads of everyone who wanted a home in the early to late part of the last century when we were a basket case of an economy

So many things were wrong back then but in fairness to the powers that be they got the basic stuff right

You mean the Celtic tiger?

SEPT 23 1989 · 07-02-2019 11:28pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

You mean the Celtic tiger?

No the 1930's on

Wheeliebin30 · 07-02-2019 11:29pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

No the 1930's on

Did we have a 200 billion debt back then?

GAA Beo · 07-02-2019 11:30pm

The putrid smell of a Fine Gaeler in the OP is in the air.

wyf437gn6btzue · 07-02-2019 11:33pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

So many were built to rent though.

Hedge funds/ vulture funds getting in while the market is hot and big money to be made in rentals.

We should have policy and laws in place to stop the housing prices going out of control.

Near me a house which resembles a shed and is tiny went for over €500k another was just a 2 bed went for €545k and another got over €600k.....

Absolutely nuts as in they were once council houses too.

The government have no business interfering with a free market

Wheeliebin30 · 07-02-2019 11:33pm

GAA Beo wrote: »

The putrid smell of a Fine Gaeler in the OP is in the air.

Nice.

zapitastas · 07-02-2019 11:34pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Who cares?

Peoole who need houses for themselves got them , why is there a priority for the disadvantaged over working people?

What does that mean? That anyone who needs a house for themselves got them already? Doesn't look that way if you see the long lines of people queuing to look at an apartment for rent. I am glad I am not in that position as must be soul destroying

wyf437gn6btzue · 07-02-2019 11:35pm

GAA Beo wrote: »

The putrid smell of a Fine Gaeler in the OP is in the air.

The putrid smell of thick fcuker from your reply is in the air

beejee · 07-02-2019 11:35pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Who cares?

Peoole who need houses for themselves got them , why is there a priority for the disadvantaged over working people?

Its numbers. They don't add up, and they are never going to add up. As the shortfall grows in magnitude, so does the fallout. Bear in mind this is a global phenomena in areas of employment (read: necessity)

I remember someone giving me a simple explanation for social welfare. If it wasn't there, and people were left with no money/food/housing, there would be social chaos as they fought/stole/murdered to survive. Social welfare is a valve for letting off pressure in society, for protecting society.

Housing is similar, in that the further it falls behind, and the more dramatic and negative that impact becomes, the more it will effect the entirety of society. Everyone. As someone else once told me, the hamptons is not a defensible position.

That said, I completely understand your point. But on the order of things, the "who" comes secondarily to the "how many". I think the fact of the matter is that there should be enough affordable, appropriate housing for everyone, and the government has completely failed, and the basic maths say they will continue to fail, and with greater failure, with each passing day.

Therefore, crash.

07-02-2019 11:36pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Mad how we built and built and built to put a roof over the heads of everyone who wanted a home in the early to late part of the last century when we were a basket case of an economy

So many things were wrong back then but in fairness to the powers that be they got the basic stuff right

This. For instance, in the 10 years from 1932, during the Great Depression, Éamon de Valera's Fianna Fáil government built a staggering 132,000 houses for Irish people, in the process clearing enormous swathes of Dublin's ineffably awful slums.

Next time people fall into clichés of demonising de Valera, maybe they should open a history book to these enormous advances for the poorest in our then infinitely poorer society. Then they might understand why his government won over 50% of the popular vote (not merely of the parliamentary seats) in the 1938 general election, the first time a governing party in Europe ever did that.

jam_mac_jam · 07-02-2019 11:36pm

Kylan Ripe Dealership wrote: »

The government have no business interfering with a free market

Are you joking. The government is the biggest factor in interfering with the market. It's not a remotely free market.

Wheeliebin30 · 07-02-2019 11:37pm

Kylan Ripe Dealership wrote: »

The putrid smell of thick fcuker from your reply is in the air

More personal insults instead of any coherent discussion.

What’s left to say.

Harry Palmr · 07-02-2019 11:37pm

Housing stock is like unemployment numbers - a lagging indicator and one with loads of sub sets.

El_Bee · 07-02-2019 11:38pm

I wonder how shoddy the new houses will end up being, I see new developments and they look like they're made entirely of plasterboard.

beejee · 07-02-2019 11:38pm

Kylan Ripe Dealership wrote: »

The government have no business interfering with a free market

It will be that same free market that completely implodes and takes hundreds of thousands of people into life-long debt along with it, impacting even the prospects of their childrens future into the bargain. Again.

Its like this. If something is worth doing, do it right. Don't half-arse it.

Dakotabigone · 07-02-2019 11:39pm

I dont know who will pay for all these houses as it’s all social housing. Paying a rent of €25 a week won’t pay for much.

Wheeliebin30 · 07-02-2019 11:39pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This. For instance, in the 10 years from 1932, during the Great Depression, Éamon de Valera's Fianna Fáil government built a staggering 132,000 houses for Irish people, in the process clearly enormous swathes of Dublin's ineffably awful slums.

Next time people fall into clichés of demonising de Valera, maybe they should open a history book to these enormous advances for the poorest in our then very poor society. Then they might understand why his government won over 50% of the popular vote (not merely of the parliamentary seats) in the 1938 general election, the first time a governing party in Europe ever did that.

How much would 132,000 social houses cost to build nowadays?

At a cost of 200,000 each let’s say.

Wheeliebin30 · 07-02-2019 11:40pm

Dakotabigone wrote: »

I dont know who will pay for all these houses as it’s all social housing. Paying a rent of €25 a week won’t pay for much.

Not allowed say that around here.

mikhail · 07-02-2019 11:41pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

How much would 132,000 social houses cost to build nowadays?

At a cost of 200,000 each let’s say.

Do they not have calculators on your internet?

It's about 27 billion euro, for the sake of the discussion.

Dakotabigone · 07-02-2019 11:41pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Not allowed say that around here.

I was being very reasonable at €25. I know one tenant that pays €10 a week. She drives a 181 Skoda.

Wheeliebin30 · 07-02-2019 11:42pm

mikhail wrote: »

Do they not have calculators on your internet?

It's about 27 billion euro, for the sake of the discussion.

Great thanks.

Given we have about 1 billion a year to juggle with I suppose that makes sense.

Wheeliebin30 · 07-02-2019 11:43pm

Dakotabigone wrote: »

I was being very reasonable at €25. I know one tenant that pays €10 a week. She drives a 181 Skoda.

69 million owed in rent arrears to DCC.

But let’s build more social housing.

meeeeh · 07-02-2019 11:44pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

More personal insults instead of any coherent discussion.

What’s left to say.

Well prove him wrong with stating something that's not complete nonsense. Ignoring social housing, lack of hosing means pressure on prices and higher rents for those working. Then there is pressure for higher wages because of high cost of living. And you are celebrating pretty pathetic building numbers well bellow government targets.

wyf437gn6btzue · 07-02-2019 11:45pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

More personal insults instead of any coherent discussion.

What’s left to say.

Wasn`t quoting or replying to you......

beejee · 07-02-2019 11:47pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

How much would 132,000 social houses cost to build nowadays?

At a cost of 200,000 each let’s say.

The problem is the cost itself. As I say, the numbers don't add up, and they never will. Not until something fundamentally snaps.

Think of it like a cup of coffee in a café. How many multiples of cost is it compared to buying a jar of it yourself, or a coffee machine yourself?

Its ridiculous, its so far from realistic/expected value that it doesn't even make sense anymore.

And that's the inherent problem with this country (and a lot of others). Some people introduced craaaaazy prices for things, nobody complained, and before you know it, every other commodity caught up with those ridiculously over-the-odds prices.

How do you fix something so endemic? The answer is that you cant, the system will break.

The cost of building a house, buying a house, renting a house is out of control and its not going to stop until it crashes. There isn't a single thing that this government can do about it, nor any other party. If this were a bus careering out of control with no driver, varadkar is as useful as the guy in the back saying "it'll be grand, it'll be grand!" over and over again. No impact.

Harry Palmr · 07-02-2019 11:54pm

The key to affordable housing is to stop building properties out of bricks and mortar in low density housing estates and go modular in the inner cities - brown field sites abound. The atomising of society means the 3/4 semi-d is not needed much - it's the step up/step down 1/2 beds that we need desperately. Unfortunately the Irish psyche just refuses to accept the concept.

Dakotabigone · 07-02-2019 11:54pm

Could Dermott Bannon deliver budget friendly social housing?

Marengo · 07-02-2019 11:56pm

Dakotabigone wrote: »

Could Dermott Bannon deliver budget friendly social housing?

At the speed he works

klaaaz · 08-02-2019 12:05am

Kylan Ripe Dealership wrote: »

The government have no business interfering with a free market

I see what you did there, let the houses only be affordable for the rich while the vast majority(who work) struggle to afford a roof over their heads, typical FFG.

beejee · 08-02-2019 12:21am

Harry Palmr wrote: »

The key to affordable housing is to stop building properties out of bricks and mortar in low density housing estates and go modular in the inner cities - brown field sites abound. The atomising of society means the 3/4 semi-d is not needed much - it's the step up/step down 1/2 beds that we need desperately. Unfortunately the Irish psyche just refuses to accept the concept.

If this were a perfectly functioning system, and the suggestion of "different" housing was proposed, you could take it seriously on its merits.

However it is a utterly malfunctional system, and any proposal that attempts to adapt to that malfunctioning system through a lowering of standards is highly questionable.

If we just stopped accepting the abnormal as normal, we might actually get to the root of the problem.

As it is, we don't even know what the question is, nevermind the answer.

Or a funnier way to look at it is long, long term. The population of the planet becomes 5000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 trillion, and every square inch of space is taken up standing shoulder to shoulder.

Is the solution for us to build colonies on the moon and do the same there, ad infinitum? Or is the actual problem like the nose on your face? People are avoiding the hard questions, but they cant run forever.

Also, F%%K living in tinier and tinier shoeboxes, hoping my children might be able to afford one at least half that size again. No. Just no.

Ubbquittious · 08-02-2019 8:18am

We are back to the heady days of the celtic tiger. Anyone see a plumber fecking their change in the bin after buying a breakfast roll or some spoilt little 18 year old twit driving a brand new range rover yet?

Ubbquittious · 08-02-2019 8:20am

Harry Palmr wrote: »

The key to affordable housing is to stop building properties out of bricks and mortar in low density housing estates and go modular in the inner cities - brown field sites abound. The atomising of society means the 3/4 semi-d is not needed much - it's the step up/step down 1/2 beds that we need desperately. Unfortunately the Irish psyche just refuses to accept the concept.

The atomising of society is not a good thing and shouldnt be encouraged

JohnnyFlash · 08-02-2019 9:02am

mikhail wrote: »

Do they not have calculators on your internet?

It's about 27 billion euro, for the sake of the discussion.

27 billion a year.

No problems. That’s on top of the 20 billion we spend on social welfare, the free 3rd level education, the pay increases for public sector workers, other infrastructure projects, tackling the upcoming pension deficit crisis and a myriad of other very very costly things the State is expected to find funding for.

Leftie financial gurus confuse me. It’s like they don’t actually understand simple arithmetic. They seem to think there’s an infinite money supply that grows on trees, and because certain things happened in the past then it should still be possible today. They then have the temerity to pontificate on matters such as social housing to the poor lads and lassies who would have to pay even more of their income in tax and who see very little for it.

Dakotabigone · 08-02-2019 11:04am

Ubbquittious wrote: »

We are back to the heady days of the celtic tiger. Anyone see a plumber fecking their change in the bin after buying a breakfast roll or some spoilt little 18 year old twit driving a brand new range rover yet?

I have seen a few crew cab pick up without any hitches.

El_Bee · 09-02-2019 2:48pm

How man people are wondering "where's my free house? I'm entitled to one" these days?

House builds up 25%

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