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House builds up 25%

Wheeliebin30

https://www.thejournal.ie/housing-completion-cso-2018-4482831-Feb2019/

18,000 Houses built last year.

Just waiting for the whingers and the but what about the homeless Margaret Cash and social housing brigade to come along.

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punisher5112

So many were built to rent though.

Hedge funds/ vulture funds getting in while the market is hot and big money to be made in rentals.

We should have policy and laws in place to stop the housing prices going out of control.

Near me a house which resembles a shed and is tiny went for over €500k another was just a 2 bed went for €545k and another got over €600k.....

Absolutely nuts as in they were once council houses too.

beejee

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/pme/populationandmigrationestimatesapril2018/

This is a game that cannot be won. No matter how many more houses they supposedly build, the number of people is increasing at an even greater pace. In other words, housing provision is falling further and further behind with each day (each minute, each second even!)

It will crash hard.

Wheeliebin30

Who cares?

Peoole who need houses for themselves got them , why is there a priority for the disadvantaged over working people?

SEPT 23 1989

Mad how we built and built and built to put a roof over the heads of everyone who wanted a home in the early to late part of the last century when we were a basket case of an economy

So many things were wrong back then but in fairness to the powers that be they got the basic stuff right

Wheeliebin30

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Mad how we built and built and built to put a roof over the heads of everyone who wanted a home in the early to late part of the last century when we were a basket case of an economy

So many things were wrong back then but in fairness to the powers that be they got the basic stuff right

You mean the Celtic tiger?

SEPT 23 1989

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

You mean the Celtic tiger?

No the 1930's on

Wheeliebin30

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

No the 1930's on

Did we have a 200 billion debt back then?

GAA Beo

The putrid smell of a Fine Gaeler in the OP is in the air.

wyf437gn6btzue

punisher5112 wrote: »

So many were built to rent though.

Hedge funds/ vulture funds getting in while the market is hot and big money to be made in rentals.

We should have policy and laws in place to stop the housing prices going out of control.

Near me a house which resembles a shed and is tiny went for over €500k another was just a 2 bed went for €545k and another got over €600k.....

Absolutely nuts as in they were once council houses too.

The government have no business interfering with a free market

Wheeliebin30

GAA Beo wrote: »

The putrid smell of a Fine Gaeler in the OP is in the air.

Nice.

zapitastas

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Who cares?

Peoole who need houses for themselves got them , why is there a priority for the disadvantaged over working people?

What does that mean? That anyone who needs a house for themselves got them already? Doesn't look that way if you see the long lines of people queuing to look at an apartment for rent. I am glad I am not in that position as must be soul destroying

wyf437gn6btzue

GAA Beo wrote: »

The putrid smell of a Fine Gaeler in the OP is in the air.

The putrid smell of thick fcuker from your reply is in the air

beejee

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Who cares?

Peoole who need houses for themselves got them , why is there a priority for the disadvantaged over working people?

Its numbers. They don't add up, and they are never going to add up. As the shortfall grows in magnitude, so does the fallout. Bear in mind this is a global phenomena in areas of employment (read: necessity)

I remember someone giving me a simple explanation for social welfare. If it wasn't there, and people were left with no money/food/housing, there would be social chaos as they fought/stole/murdered to survive. Social welfare is a valve for letting off pressure in society, for protecting society.

Housing is similar, in that the further it falls behind, and the more dramatic and negative that impact becomes, the more it will effect the entirety of society. Everyone. As someone else once told me, the hamptons is not a defensible position.

That said, I completely understand your point. But on the order of things, the "who" comes secondarily to the "how many". I think the fact of the matter is that there should be enough affordable, appropriate housing for everyone, and the government has completely failed, and the basic maths say they will continue to fail, and with greater failure, with each passing day.

Therefore, crash.

[Deleted User]

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Mad how we built and built and built to put a roof over the heads of everyone who wanted a home in the early to late part of the last century when we were a basket case of an economy

So many things were wrong back then but in fairness to the powers that be they got the basic stuff right

This. For instance, in the 10 years from 1932, during the Great Depression, Éamon de Valera's Fianna Fáil government built a staggering 132,000 houses for Irish people, in the process clearing enormous swathes of Dublin's ineffably awful slums.

Next time people fall into clichés of demonising de Valera, maybe they should open a history book to these enormous advances for the poorest in our then infinitely poorer society. Then they might understand why his government won over 50% of the popular vote (not merely of the parliamentary seats) in the 1938 general election, the first time a governing party in Europe ever did that.

jam_mac_jam

Kylan Ripe Dealership wrote: »

The government have no business interfering with a free market

Are you joking. The government is the biggest factor in interfering with the market. It's not a remotely free market.

Wheeliebin30

Kylan Ripe Dealership wrote: »

The putrid smell of thick fcuker from your reply is in the air

More personal insults instead of any coherent discussion.

What’s left to say.

Harry Palmr

Housing stock is like unemployment numbers - a lagging indicator and one with loads of sub sets.

El_Bee

I wonder how shoddy the new houses will end up being, I see new developments and they look like they're made entirely of plasterboard.

beejee

Kylan Ripe Dealership wrote: »

The government have no business interfering with a free market

It will be that same free market that completely implodes and takes hundreds of thousands of people into life-long debt along with it, impacting even the prospects of their childrens future into the bargain. Again.

Its like this. If something is worth doing, do it right. Don't half-arse it.

Dakotabigone

I dont know who will pay for all these houses as it’s all social housing. Paying a rent of €25 a week won’t pay for much.

Wheeliebin30

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This. For instance, in the 10 years from 1932, during the Great Depression, Éamon de Valera's Fianna Fáil government built a staggering 132,000 houses for Irish people, in the process clearly enormous swathes of Dublin's ineffably awful slums.

Next time people fall into clichés of demonising de Valera, maybe they should open a history book to these enormous advances for the poorest in our then very poor society. Then they might understand why his government won over 50% of the popular vote (not merely of the parliamentary seats) in the 1938 general election, the first time a governing party in Europe ever did that.

How much would 132,000 social houses cost to build nowadays?

At a cost of 200,000 each let’s say.

Wheeliebin30

Dakotabigone wrote: »

I dont know who will pay for all these houses as it’s all social housing. Paying a rent of €25 a week won’t pay for much.

Not allowed say that around here.

mikhail

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

How much would 132,000 social houses cost to build nowadays?

At a cost of 200,000 each let’s say.

Do they not have calculators on your internet?

It's about 27 billion euro, for the sake of the discussion.

Dakotabigone

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Not allowed say that around here.

I was being very reasonable at €25. I know one tenant that pays €10 a week. She drives a 181 Skoda.

Wheeliebin30

mikhail wrote: »

Do they not have calculators on your internet?

It's about 27 billion euro, for the sake of the discussion.

Great thanks.

Given we have about 1 billion a year to juggle with I suppose that makes sense.

Wheeliebin30

Dakotabigone wrote: »

I was being very reasonable at €25. I know one tenant that pays €10 a week. She drives a 181 Skoda.

69 million owed in rent arrears to DCC.

But let’s build more social housing.

meeeeh

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

More personal insults instead of any coherent discussion.

What’s left to say.

Well prove him wrong with stating something that's not complete nonsense. Ignoring social housing, lack of hosing means pressure on prices and higher rents for those working. Then there is pressure for higher wages because of high cost of living. And you are celebrating pretty pathetic building numbers well bellow government targets.

wyf437gn6btzue

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

More personal insults instead of any coherent discussion.

What’s left to say.

Wasn`t quoting or replying to you......

beejee

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

How much would 132,000 social houses cost to build nowadays?

At a cost of 200,000 each let’s say.

The problem is the cost itself. As I say, the numbers don't add up, and they never will. Not until something fundamentally snaps.

Think of it like a cup of coffee in a café. How many multiples of cost is it compared to buying a jar of it yourself, or a coffee machine yourself?

Its ridiculous, its so far from realistic/expected value that it doesn't even make sense anymore.

And that's the inherent problem with this country (and a lot of others). Some people introduced craaaaazy prices for things, nobody complained, and before you know it, every other commodity caught up with those ridiculously over-the-odds prices.

How do you fix something so endemic? The answer is that you cant, the system will break.

The cost of building a house, buying a house, renting a house is out of control and its not going to stop until it crashes. There isn't a single thing that this government can do about it, nor any other party. If this were a bus careering out of control with no driver, varadkar is as useful as the guy in the back saying "it'll be grand, it'll be grand!" over and over again. No impact.

Harry Palmr

The key to affordable housing is to stop building properties out of bricks and mortar in low density housing estates and go modular in the inner cities - brown field sites abound. The atomising of society means the 3/4 semi-d is not needed much - it's the step up/step down 1/2 beds that we need desperately. Unfortunately the Irish psyche just refuses to accept the concept.