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Best way about getting a job in the merchant navy

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  • #52
    323
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    jamesdiver wrote: »
    that looks like an interesting course. Any further info on what is covered in year 2 and 3?

    Would it be a good way to get into the oil and gas exploration industry...with all the technology used in these surveys?

    Have come across a good few electronics guys in my own field....they always seem to get the best internet connections at sea :)

    Yes, first year looks to have the right basics, if continues on like this would indeed have the right skills for a start in the survey and/or ROV outfits supporting the oil/gas and subsea cable business', also pay considerably better than ETO positions.
    These are desperate for people at the moment.

    Although would be interesting to see whats covered in years 2 & 3.

    “Follow the trend lines, not the headlines,”



  • #53
    IrishExpat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 298 ✭✭IrishExpat


    So, you´ll no doubt see from my posts that I don´t know much about this industry (yet), aside from the info I find from Google and replies I´m waiting for, from a few shipping companies ...

    But, can I assume that the day of turning up at a port, looking for the shipping office and simply presenting yourself for work are long gone?


    What would I need in order to apply for work on a container ship (from Ireland)?
    Certificates, medicals ...? I am willing to work for a very low starter wage, up to a year - to see if it really is for me, and then go the college route.

    I´ve been talking to former students from NMCI and other UK based institutes (thanks to LinkdIn) and I´m finding a common thread in terms of the drop-out rates from Nautical Engineering/Science courses ... which in some cases happen as the students complete their two years of classroom based study, and once they have their spell at sea (usually in year 3), they decide that it´s not for them.

    I dropped out a course before (at age 19. I´m 24 now) and I do ´not´ want a repeat of this. Simply put, I chose a course, any course - based on what I thought I would get in the LC points, with ´zero´ prior research. For this reason, I want to do it right this time around.


  • #54
    Tabnabs
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,750 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    You need to talk to the guys in NMCI, Viv Gough used to be the man in the know, but he has probably retired at this stage.

    Be aware that working as a simple sailor is very, very, different to the life of an officer (deck or engine). IMHO, you would be better off doing the year at college, then going to sea as a cadet in the second year and seeing how the life suits you then. I understand the UK colleges operate a different format whereby you go to see for your first trip a lot earlier and this may be worth looking into also.

    I had one job interview with an agency originally and after that it was either apply straight to the company and get joining instructions or word of mouth and a kind word from an existing senior officer opens many doors also.


  • #55
    murphym7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,035 ✭✭✭murphym7


    I completed the Higher Certificate in Science in Nautical Studies back in the 90's and got to sea that way. I think I spent 8 weeks in the RTC and then off for my 12 months sea time. This suited me as I wanted to get on a ship as soon as I could, to see if the job suited me, it did and I enjoyed the 8 or so years that I spent away - until I met my Wife, which ruined everything!!

    The course still runs, and that would be my advice about getting away on ships. Tabnabs is right about the best way to go, doing the Cert first is really the long way around about getting a Deck officer position. However, at least 3 of my buddies who did the cert with me are all skippers now, varying levels of tickets. One got his Master Mariners a few years ago - this is a long way around the houses. Although if you are happy to stay on the coast the level of ticket you need to be the Master is a lot less.


  • #56
    IrishExpat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 298 ✭✭IrishExpat


    Training opportunities in Ireland.
    The programmes

    In Ireland, both deck officer and engineering officer trainees study for Bachelor of Science (BSc) degrees in conjunction with the National Maritime College of Ireland.


    Irish deck officer trainees are expected to complete a BSc in nautical science, which typically takes three years, and includes both college work and a minimum of 12 months' sea service to be eligible to take the deck officer of the watch (OOW) professional certificate.

    Engineering officer trainees study for a BSc in marine and plant engineering, which also takes three years. You must then spend a further minimum of nine months at sea to be eligible to take the engineer officer of the watch (EOOW) professional certificate.

    BP Maritime Services (Singapore) sponsors Irish trainee officers at the completion of year 1 (for deck officers) and year 2 (engineering officers). Sponsorship includes all exam and required course fees and a generous monthly subsistence bursary allowance.

    Applications for BPMS Trainee Officer programme for year 2013 will be invited from 2nd week of September 2012.

    We have now filled our intake for 2012

    While the 2012 slots are filled, this is a definite to apply for in the coming weeks.

    Has anyone here gone a similar route? I can only imagine the competition for this training programme.


  • #57
    Tabnabs
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,750 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    The sponsorship takes place through the college. They come in and you interview with different companies and agencies and hope one gives you an offer of sponsorship.


  • #58
    coulagh1986
    Registered Users Posts: 52 ✭✭coulagh1986


    http://www.cit.ie/course/CR094

    You can see the course content of every module here and more info.

    http://www.mycit.ie/exampapers/

    There the past exam papers. Gives a good idea of what is asked.

    I`m a bit like you. I`m 26 applied through CAO Mature Student last January. . Went to open days did a rake of research etc. However got conflicting advice from seveal people in the Merchant Navy. Some saying go for it. Others saying avoid. In the end I decided to go to Canada for the year and I can always decide to give it a go in a few years if I still feel it is the life for me.

    www.officercadet.com has some good advice and info. However a lot of bird-brain/ dreamers on it too so dont believe everything you read.

    All the best with whatever you decide to do


  • #59
    IrishExpat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 298 ✭✭IrishExpat


    Just to give this some sort of closure.

    I have decided to take this year to sort out financials and try our my own business, with a view to come back to the merchant navy work/study, possibly in 2013, or 2014.

    But I will definitely be at the NMCI open day in the coming weeks - for advice and to see the facilities. If any boardsies are going along, see you there.


  • #60
    LiamoSail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭LiamoSail


    Quote=Mickey Dazzler;77331105]. It takes longer to train to become a Captain or Chief Engineer that it does to become a doctor.
    .[/Quote]

    I hate that argument. It may take years to get to old man/chief, but most of it is spent working not studying. You could apply the same logic and say it takes longer to get to sergeant in the Garda, or supermarket manager if you go in as a shelf stacker then to become a doctor, and strictly speaking it maybe true, but only because you need to work your way up the ranks first, getting seatime along the way

    To become capt, it takes three years college (not consecutive) plus the qualifying seatime for oow, c/o and masters tickets

    Having not been trough medical training I can't say with certainty, but I'd be fairly confident they do slightly longer in college


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  • #61
    goldie fish
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,195 ✭✭✭goldie fish


    It does only take 4 years college to become a GP


  • #62
    LiamoSail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭LiamoSail


    goldie fish wrote: »
    It does only take 4 years college to become a GP

    Which is still one year more then to qualify as Master Mariner


  • #63
    tricky D
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,700 ✭✭✭tricky D


    goldie fish wrote: »
    It does only take 4 years college to become a GP

    Think it's a year more than that. 5 years in TCD.

    @LiamoSail: rpt appropriately ignored.


  • #64
    goldie fish
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,195 ✭✭✭goldie fish


    tricky D wrote: »
    Think it's a year more than that. 5 years in TCD.

    @LiamoSail: rpt appropriately ignored.

    http://www.icgp.ie/go/become_a_gp

    Not for a GP.


  • #65
    murphym7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,035 ✭✭✭murphym7


    goldie fish wrote: »
    It does only take 4 years college to become a GP

    They are required to have completed a primary medical degree first, then its 4 more years to become a GP.


  • #66
    LiamoSail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭LiamoSail


    Well regardless, you'll spend more time in the classroom prior to becoming a gp then an becoming a capt

    Maybe I should have spent more time in a class room, given my inability to distinguish between the 'reply' and 'report' buttons on this thread. I believe I've reported a number of posts on this thread accidentally while trying to reply to them


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  • #67
    kraggy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,414 ✭✭✭kraggy


    It takes 10 years to become a GP. 6 years for the basic medicine degree, then approximately 4 when you specialise in the area of General Medicine.

    It's a specialty in its own right.


  • #68
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    LiamoSail wrote: »
    Well regardless, you'll spend more time in the classroom prior to becoming a gp then an becoming a capt

    With all the extra courses and meetings etc etc you have to attend today as captain,you are soon more on land than at sea:eek:
    Atleast thats the way i have felt it the last 10 years as master mariner:mad:;)


  • #69
    LiamoSail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭LiamoSail


    long range shooter wrote: »
    LiamoSail wrote: »
    Well regardless, you'll spend more time in the classroom prior to becoming a gp then an becoming a capt


    With all the extra courses and meetings etc etc you have to attend today as captain,you are soon more on land than at sea:eek:
    Atleast thats the way i have felt it the last 10 years as master mariner:mad:;)

    Yea the courses etc are a pain in the hole, but I'm sure doctors have similar

    Regardless though, the point I was making us that to say it takes longer to become a doctor then a capt is akin to saying it takes longer to become a principal of a school then a brain surgeon

    I'm not taking anything away from the training and experience necessary for the role, just venting my frustration at that comparison I've heard count less times


  • #70
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    LiamoSail wrote: »
    Yea the courses etc are a pain in the hole, but I'm sure doctors have similar

    Regardless though, the point I was making us that to say it takes longer to become a doctor then a capt is akin to saying it takes longer to become a principal of a school then a brain surgeon

    I'm not taking anything away from the training and experience necessary for the role, just venting my frustration at that comparison I've heard count less times

    i agree to a certain point,but theres many categories of doctors,and many categories of captains,and all have to spesialise in a certain field, or ships type.
    Some take longer than others.;)
    But one thing is for sure,you wont get the title captain without a lisence and a doctor without a diploma:D


  • #71
    Mickey Dazzler
    Closed Accounts Posts: 586 ✭✭✭Mickey Dazzler


    LiamoSail wrote: »
    Quote=Mickey Dazzler;77331105]. It takes longer to train to become a Captain or Chief Engineer that it does to become a doctor.
    .

    I hate that argument. It may take years to get to old man/chief, but most of it is spent working not studying. You could apply the same logic and say it takes longer to get to sergeant in the Garda, or supermarket manager if you go in as a shelf stacker then to become a doctor, and strictly speaking it maybe true, but only because you need to work your way up the ranks first, getting seatime along the way

    To become capt, it takes three years college (not consecutive) plus the qualifying seatime for oow, c/o and masters tickets

    Having not been trough medical training I can't say with certainty, but I'd be fairly confident they do slightly longer in college[/QUOTE]



    It takes 3 years in college plus 36 months sea time which is 6 years in total. That figure is taking no leave into account. So taking leave into account it would take you longer to become a Master Mariner than a Doctor. I did not say to become a Captain which is different as you mentioned going through the ranks applies to any job. I was mearly stating the length of time to get to that level of qualification.

    I would suggest you remove your head from your asshole before before critiquing me on line.

    We could of course agree to a deul. We could meet at 06:00 on O Connell Bridge and duke it out like Officers and Gentlemen. I should warn you though that I am fully fledged ass kicking Ninja.


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  • #72
    LiamoSail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭LiamoSail


    Mickey Dazzler wrote: »

    It takes 3 years in college plus 36 months sea time which is 6 years in total. That figure is taking no leave into account. So taking leave into account it would take you longer to become a Master Mariner than a Doctor. I did not say to become a Captain which is different as you mentioned going through the ranks applies to any job. I was mearly stating the length of time to get to that level of qualification.

    I would suggest you remove your head from your asshole before before critiquing me on line.

    We could of course agree to a deul. We could meet at 06:00 on O Connell Bridge and duke it out like Officers and Gentlemen. I should warn you though that I am fully fledged ass kicking Ninja.

    My point is, you could say the same about becoming a principal in a school. The majority of the time is spent working and gaining experience, and most importantly earning, not studying.

    I wasn't critiquing you, just your line of argument. I'm not diminishing the time, effort or experience necessary to qualify as as master mariner, just pointing out that it's apples and oranges if you're comparing it to medicine. I'm A deck officer myself, so I do have an idea of what's involved

    As for the dual, game on :pac:


  • #73
    Mickey Dazzler
    Closed Accounts Posts: 586 ✭✭✭Mickey Dazzler


    LiamoSail wrote: »
    My point is, you could say the same about becoming a principal in a school. The majority of the time is spent working and gaining experience, and most importantly earning, not studying.

    I wasn't critiquing you, just your line of argument. I'm not diminishing the time, effort or experience necessary to qualify as as master mariner, just pointing out that it's apples and oranges if you're comparing it to medicine. I'm A deck officer myself, so I do have an idea of what's involved

    As for the dual, game on :pac:

    You could not say the same about becoming a principle as that takes time to move up through the ranks. However to study to get a teaching qualification takes 3-4 years. To become a Doctor takes around 6-7 years and to become a Master Mariner takes 7-8 years (Minimum). I am talking about length of time to gain a qualification not length of time to progress in ones chosen career.

    Did you sniff too much paint as a Cadet? This might be the cause of your inability to grasp this concept.

    A duel it so.

    Id imagine our duel to look something like the following.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P16J0ejFToY


  • #74
    LiamoSail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭LiamoSail


    Mickey Dazzler wrote: »
    LiamoSail wrote: »
    My point is, you could say the same about becoming a principal in a school. The majority of the time is spent working and gaining experience, and most importantly earning, not studying.

    I wasn't critiquing you, just your line of argument. I'm not diminishing the time, effort or experience necessary to qualify as as master mariner, just pointing out that it's apples and oranges if you're comparing it to medicine. I'm A deck officer myself, so I do have an idea of what's involved

    As for the dual, game on :pac:

    You could not say the same about becoming a principle as that takes time to move up through the ranks. However to study to get a teaching qualification takes 3-4 years. To become a Doctor takes around 6-7 years and to become a Master Mariner takes 7-8 years (Minimum). I am talking about length of time to gain a qualification not length of time to progress in ones chosen career.

    Did you sniff too much paint as a Cadet? This might be the cause of your inability to grasp this concept.

    A duel it so.

    Id imagine our duel to look something like the following.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P16J0ejFToY

    I grasp the concept alright, I just think its a flawed comparison.

    I can't watch the video as I'm at sea at the moment. I've about 6 weeks left and the Internet is that slow that I'd doubt the video will load load in that time


  • #75
    Mickey Dazzler
    Closed Accounts Posts: 586 ✭✭✭Mickey Dazzler


    LiamoSail wrote: »
    I grasp the concept alright, I just think its a flawed comparison.

    I can't watch the video as I'm at sea at the moment. I've about 6 weeks left and the Internet is that slow that I'd doubt the video will load load in that time

    Ha Ha I was only having you on.....

    Well you can look forward to watching that video when you get home........ and stay out of the paint locker.....


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