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39 people found dead in trailer in UK

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    #32
    Plumbthedepths
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    lawred2 wrote: »
    There are easier ways to go get to the UK from mainland Europe surely?

    There are but Ireland is an easy route to the UK. No border check. Up to NI, over to Scotland and down south. As opposed to trying to run the gauntlet in Calais.


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    #33
    jay0109
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    Could it be Georgians? Using Ireland as an easy route into the UK?
    There were a few traffickers arrested a couple of weeks ago in Dublin in relation to people smuggling of Georgians from Ireland to the UK.

    Tragic case anyway whoever it was. RIP


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    #34
    Cordell
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    Liberal elites and old colonial countries that left their colonies in better shape that they were before them were blamed, confirmed.
    Also Macron is somehow responsible. Trudeau, anyone?
    The trafficking ring starts from their 3rd word home country, there is the source of the problem, no one else is to blame.


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    #35
    Thelonious Monk
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    The only thing you can always blame for this is poverty and desperation


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    #36
    lawred2
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    There are but Ireland is an easy route to the UK. No border check. Up to NI, over to Scotland and down south. As opposed to trying to run the gauntlet in Calais.

    Do we not enforce any checks between mainland Europe and Ireland?


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    #37
    ohnonotgmail
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    lawred2 wrote: »
    Do we not enforce any checks between mainland Europe and Ireland?

    I dont think we enforce it to the same extent as the british do. The british have teams of officers based in french ports that check trucks before they even get on the ferry.


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    #38
    MrMusician18
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    Presumably they went that way because checks for people smuggling are much lighter on the Cherbourg/rosslare route and probably non existent on Dublin holyhead.

    Usually in these cases the air supply gets blocked someway and the occupants suffocate. In a full size 40ft shipping container, there would only be enough oxygen for about 5 hours for 39 people if it was unventilated.


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    #39
    Plumbthedepths
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    lawred2 wrote: »
    Do we not enforce any checks between mainland Europe and Ireland?

    Random checks but in reality nope. Particularly if the origin is another EU country.


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    #40
    lawred2
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    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Presumably they went that way because checks for people smuggling are much lighter on the Cherbourg/rosslare route and probably non existent on Dublin holyhead.

    Usually in these cases the air supply gets blocked someway and the occupants suffocate. In a shipping container, there would only be enough oxygen for about 2.5 hours for 39 people if it was unventilated.

    Realms of speculation here obviously...

    Possible that the driver blocked the air supply? Would that be the justification for a murder charge?


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    #41
    suicide_circus
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    has it been established that they came through ireland?


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    #42
    Padraig Mor
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    has it been established that they came through ireland?

    Unless it was a floating truck, it looks a dead cert.


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    #43
    1641
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    People will always flee desperate situations looking for a better life - controls and checks notwithstanding.
    When the US Congress tried to control the influx of desperate Irish fleeing the Famine in 1846 it resulted in people taking to more dangerous (and illegal) methods of reaching North America. Tens of thousands died in the coffin ships: https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/coffin-ships.html.

    History repeats itself in tragedy.


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    #44
    suicide_circus
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    Padraig Mor wrote: »
    Unless it was a floating truck, it looks a dead cert.

    yes it looks like Dublin is the only port that does business with Holygead


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    #45
    Sir Oxman
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    Very possible driver simply picked up sealed trailer at port and is completely innocent


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    #46
    Kidchameleon
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    Very sad way to go out for sure but these people knew they were taking a risk and it didnt work out for them. Had they made it to their destination they would also have been a burden on the tax payer. The best way to prevent these things happening is to make it not worth their while ie. If they are found to be illigal, send them straight back to where they came from. Give them the most basic accomodation and food rations whilst they are in custody and in the long run, fix the problems they are running from


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    #47
    Pasamos
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    Horrible tragedy but this could be avoided if they applied to live and work in the UK legally.


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    #48
    Hector Savage
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    Arrested for murder ?
    What the hell happened ?
    Surely he was just driving illegal immigrants, I mean manslaughter at the most.


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    #49
    derrymcorry
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    I'm confused.

    Did this Irish guy murder 39 people and put them in the back of his lorry or where they migrants?

    Is there any evidence a crime was committed in Ireland (when I say Ireland I include the Six Counties occupied by the Brits)?


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    Hector Savage
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    This is a terrible tragedy, but it seems they want to put all the blame on the driver - shift blame away from the whole human trafficking mafia and the politicians that endorse it...


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    SEPT 23 1989
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    thats a fridge unit

    they are left running on crossings

    could have been one of the crew plugging it in by mistake and freezing them to death


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    #52
    Hector Savage
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    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    thats a fridge unit

    they are left running on crossings

    could have been one of the crew plugging it in by mistake and freezing them to death

    :( jesus that's grimm ...


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    #53
    Hector Savage
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    Sky news saying arresting him on suspicion of murder is standard in these cases, seems a bit overkill


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    #54
    igCorcaigh
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    There are but Ireland is an easy route to the UK. No border check. Up to NI, over to Scotland and down south. As opposed to trying to run the gauntlet in Calais.

    Genuine question here, what is the draw to UK specifically, rather than any other EU country... France, or even in thus case, Ireland?

    Why do people risk their lives to get from France to UK?


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    #55
    Esse85
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    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Genuine question here, what is the draw to UK specifically, rather than any other EU country... France, or even in thus case, Ireland?

    Why do people risk their lives to get from France to UK?

    I'm guessing the UK are more generous in terms of benefits.


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    #56
    igCorcaigh
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    Esse85 wrote: »
    I'm guessing the UK are more generous in terms of benefits.

    To risk your life though?
    I would assume they work on the black market and keep under the radar... You can't just arrive illegally and apply for jobseeker's?

    Maybe they have family in UK? I dunno.
    It's an awful thing to be happening.


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    #57
    Plumbthedepths
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    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Genuine question here, what is the draw to UK specifically, rather than any other EU country... France, or even in thus case, Ireland?

    Why do people risk their lives to get from France to UK?

    The BBC interviewed several at Calais asking what the attraction was. Several answered that in UK they give you house and money.
    For many there is already a large community of them fellow countrymen there and that itself is an attraction.


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    #58
    igCorcaigh
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    The BBC interviewed several at Calais asking what the attraction was. Several answered that in UK they give you house and money.
    For many there is already a large community of them fellow countrymen there and that itself is an attraction.

    France must have a very different system then.
    I must look into it more.
    It's hard to make sense of.


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    IRE60
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    scotchy wrote: »
    Newstalk saying that the truck traveled via Dublin.
    Unfortunately, if it arrived in Holyhead on Saturday (as stated for Police statement) on a RoRo - then it came through Dublin Port.


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    #60
    derrymcorry
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    Sky News saying that it might have gone from France to Ireland to escape heavy customs checks and GB ports.


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    #61
    LillySV
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    Esse85 wrote: »
    I'm guessing the UK are more generous in terms of benefits.

    No they get way less in uk ....Ireland leads in the free money club

    Which makes me thinks this was a group coming over for work...

    Anyways rip, very sad


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