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Gangland Shootings Cont'd [Mod Note in Post #1 updated 27/01/20

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  • #8702
    Rows Grower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,356 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    https://www.herald.ie/news/100k-cash-seized-and-three-held-in-city-bust-on-kinahan-cartel-38952307.html

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • #8703
    Googleyes
    Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭Googleyes


    Cops be out in force today for KM funeral, and still no one charged with any thing absolute disgrace


  • #8704
    MarkY91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,068 ✭✭✭MarkY91


    Googleyes wrote: »
    Cops be out in force today for KM funeral, and still no one charged with any thing absolute disgrace

    What do you want them to do without sufficient evidence? We don't live in Russia or north korea ffs


  • #8705
    Larsso30
    Registered Users Posts: 561 ✭✭✭Larsso30


    Googleyes wrote: »
    Cops be out in force today for KM funeral, and still no one charged with any thing absolute disgrace

    You need evidence to charge. Boards.ie rumours tends not to hold up in court


  • #8706
    Lolalita
    Registered Users Posts: 21 ✭Lolalita


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/cab-targets-drug-dealer-in-series-of-dawn-raids-on-22-properties-in-cork-and-tipperary-981511.html

    Cab targets drug dealer in series of dawn raids on 22 properties in Cork and tipperary


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  • #8707
    Cork_Langer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 198 ✭✭Cork_Langer1


    MarkY91 wrote: »
    What do you want them to do without sufficient evidence? We don't live in Russia or north korea ffs

    The child was given a GIM, before he was killed, that in itself is a damning reflection on the guards in Drogheda.


  • #8708
    Stevieluvsye
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    Cork_Langer1 wrote: »
    The child was given a GIM, before he was killed, that in itself is a damning reflection on the guards in Drogheda.

    They are/were not in a position to look after him 24/7


  • #8709
    Cork_Langer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 198 ✭✭Cork_Langer1


    Stevieluvsye wrote: »
    They are/were not in a position to look after him 24/7

    They had intelligence that this was going to happen and left it happen, a **** show by guards there.

    I couldn't give a feck about hardened adult gangsters getting GIM and been killed but the childs GIM was credible and took place in a way we haven't seen before here.


  • #8710
    Tacitus Kilgore
    Registered Users Posts: 2,128 ✭✭✭Tacitus Kilgore


    Cork_Langer1 wrote: »
    They had intelligence that this was going to happen and left it happen, a **** show by guards there.

    I couldn't give a feck about hardened adult gangsters getting GIM and been killed but the childs GIM was credible and took place in a way we haven't seen before here.

    What do you reckon they should have done differently?


  • #8711
    Cork_Langer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 198 ✭✭Cork_Langer1


    Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »
    What do you reckon they should have done differently?

    Parked outside his house and follow the child for a few weeks, raid houses due to the threat of a childs life, arrest one for bail breaches, proactive rather than reactive.

    We are getting all this great PR, CAB raids, monies sezied, drugs found the media here are garda shills, nothing about all the above having no affect on illegal drugs supply or gangland activities as one locked up 100s are willing to take their place.


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  • #8712
    Gadgetman496
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,408 ✭✭✭Gadgetman496


    Cork_Langer1 wrote: »
    Parked outside his house and follow the child for a few weeks, raid houses due to the threat of a childs life, arrest one for bail breaches, proactive rather than reactive.

    We are getting all this great PR, CAB raids, monies sezied, drugs found the media here are garda shills, nothing about all the above having no affect on illegal drugs supply or gangland activities as one locked up 100s are willing to take their place.

    There's the contradiction right there.

    "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."



  • #8713
    Rows Grower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,356 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    A lot of CAB and ERU activity around Bandon in west Cork this morning targeting the network of a big drug supplier to Cork.
    A couple of dozen raids and cars, phones etc seized and bank accounts frozen.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • #8714
    White lighting
    Registered Users Posts: 591 ✭✭✭White lighting


    Cork_Langer1 wrote: »
    Parked outside his house and follow the child for a few weeks, raid houses due to the threat of a childs life, arrest one for bail breaches, proactive rather than reactive.

    We are getting all this great PR, CAB raids, monies sezied, drugs found the media here are garda shills, nothing about all the above having no affect on illegal drugs supply or gangland activities as one locked up 100s are willing to take their place.


    Hahaha are you for real? Seriously are you expecting the guards to sit outside the house and follow for a couple of weeks every scumbag that receives a GIM. Do you realise how much that would cost. FFS give your head a wobble


  • #8715
    Cork_Langer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 198 ✭✭Cork_Langer1


    Gadgetman496 wrote: »
    There's the contradiction right there.

    The first part highlighted by you was in relation to the murder of the child, there's very few who would even contemplate that even to an adult.

    The second part highlighted by you, illegal drugs fuel gangland activities because they're illegal, the same approach over and over is having no affect and making gangland activities worse because they is so much money to be made and we've built our society around money which is everything now.


  • #8716
    Cork_Langer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 198 ✭✭Cork_Langer1


    White lighting wrote: »
    Hahaha are you for real? Seriously are you expecting the guards to sit outside the house and follow for a couple of weeks every scumbag that receives a GIM. Do you realise how much that would cost. FFS give your head a wobble

    How long outside patsy hutches house? Proactive on stopping hits on him, so I think it's your head that needs the wobble :)


  • #8717
    Stevieluvsye
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    Cork_Langer1 wrote: »
    How long outside patsy hutches house? Proactive on stopping hits on him, so I think it's your head that needs the wobble :)

    Sorry, but it is not feasible.

    To back up your point, please tell me how many GIM guards hand out, weekly/monthly?


  • #8718
    Tacitus Kilgore
    Registered Users Posts: 2,128 ✭✭✭Tacitus Kilgore


    Stevieluvsye wrote: »
    Sorry, but it is not feasible.

    To back up your point, please tell me how many GIM guards hand out, weekly/monthly?

    Lads would be putting hits out on themselves, free 24 hour security :pac:


  • #8719
    Cork_Langer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 198 ✭✭Cork_Langer1


    Stevieluvsye wrote: »
    Sorry, but it is not feasible.

    To back up your point, please tell me how many GIM guards hand out, weekly/monthly?

    How wasn't it feasible at the time?

    I don't know the answer to GIM giving out, but even the CSO doesn't use their figures they put out, do you know?


  • #8720
    kotou2
    Registered Users Posts: 79 ✭✭kotou2


    Especially when on THE day of barbaric act, some of those involved made a specific point of walking streets of town and going to a bar, as an attempt of an alibi.

    If They knew what was going down or happened.
    Their random visit to a bar was not random. Getting their alibi outweighed risk of attack.

    Clever


  • #8721
    Stevieluvsye
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    Cork_Langer1 wrote: »
    How wasn't it feasible at the time?

    I don't know the answer to GIM giving out, but even the CSO doesn't use their figures they put out, do you know?

    Of course i don't!

    The resource isn't there.

    Gaurd hands out GIM, and on that basis it is advisable to get the fcuk out of town


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  • #8722
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    Stevieluvsye wrote: »
    Of course i don't!

    The resource isn't there.

    Gaurd hands out GIM, and on that basis it is advisable to get the fcuk out of town

    According to his mother KM obeyed his curfew for a few weeks and all it took was for one night to it slip and that was the beginning of the end. Yes he's a teenager but only in age not in actions of what he's put other families through, they didn't take him out because he wasn't going to trouble them in the future. The killers obviously seen and knew him enough that he was going to be dangerous. The GIM is the Gardaí doing their jobs, whatever the person receiving one does after that is their choice. He made decisions that caused the GIM, if any of his gang "friends” gave a damn about him they would of told him to go missing for a while so either he didn't get the advice or didn't believe the GIM.


  • #8723
    Baymax2020
    Registered Users Posts: 52 ✭✭Baymax2020


    Cork_Langer1 wrote: »
    They had intelligence that this was going to happen and left it happen, a **** show by guards there.

    I couldn't give a feck about hardened adult gangsters getting GIM and been killed but the childs GIM was credible and took place in a way we haven't seen before here.

    The fact of the matter was he was handed a GIM form so should have been taking necessary precautions I doubt they're given out lightly.
    Also he was out on bail and if he had been doing what his bail conditions set out he would have been at home and wouldn't be going into a hole today.


  • #8724
    rodmn2377
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭rodmn2377


    Cork_Langer1 wrote: »
    They had intelligence that this was going to happen and left it happen, a **** show by guards there.

    I couldn't give a feck about hardened adult gangsters getting GIM and been killed but the childs GIM was credible and took place in a way we haven't seen before here.

    you do realise some of these lads use GIM as a badge of honour and if anything go about there daily things or even on social media to stick two fingers up at the rivals, if you believe for one minute that this young lad was hiding under his bed from these bad lads i think your very mistaken.


  • #8725
    Lord_Slong
    Closed Accounts Posts: 242 ✭✭Lord_Slong


    Two Garda choppers flying around Ballyer right now (very unusual) even for here.


  • #8726
    Cork_Langer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 198 ✭✭Cork_Langer1


    Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »
    Lads would be putting hits out on themselves, free 24 hour security :pac:

    There's a difference between a threat to life made and a credible threat to a life.
    Stevieluvsye wrote: »
    Of course i don't!

    The resource isn't there.

    Gaurd hands out GIM, and on that basis it is advisable to get the fcuk out of town

    The under resourced chestnut,
    The Garda budget for 2020 will be €1.86 billion.
    Thats mismanagement now under resourced.

    On the basic of a GIM the protection of life is paramount more so in the case of a child with a credible threat to their life.
    Baymax2020 wrote: »
    The fact of the matter was he was handed a GIM form so should have been taking necessary precautions I doubt they're given out lightly.
    Also he was out on bail and if he had been doing what his bail conditions set out he would have been at home and wouldn't be going into a hole today.

    What necessary precautions would a child know to take?
    rodmn2377 wrote: »
    you do realise some of these lads use GIM as a badge of honour and if anything go about there daily things or even on social media to stick two fingers up at the rivals, if you believe for one minute that this young lad was hiding under his bed from these bad lads i think your very mistaken.

    I know some treat a GIM as a badge of honour, but this was a child who was groomed from a early age, big difference between the child and an hardened gangster adult.


  • #8727
    Esel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,495 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    FFS, give up harping on about the child. You're like a broken record at this stage.

    Not your ornery onager



  • #8728
    Cork_Langer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 198 ✭✭Cork_Langer1


    Esel wrote: »
    FFS, give up harping on about the child. You're like a broken record at this stage.

    He was a child!


  • #8729
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    Cork_Langer1 wrote: »
    There's a difference between a threat to life made and a credible threat to a life.



    The under resourced chestnut,
    The Garda budget for 2020 will be €1.86 billion.
    Thats mismanagement now under resourced.

    On the basic of a GIM the protection of life is paramount more so in the case of a child with a credible threat to their life.



    What necessary precautions would a child know to take?



    I know some treat a GIM as a badge of honour, but this was a child who was groomed from a early age, big difference between the child and an hardened gangster adult.


    I agree on the Garda mismanagement as they handed back over 1 million on the 2019 budget. He wasn't far away from being an adult hardened gangster by all reports here and everywhere else. Being groomed is very much an issue these days with the money in drugs and that plays a part but it doesn't mean he's innocent of everything. Unfortunately he didn't obey he's warning and paid with his life. The Gardaí can only do so much also but the GIM is there to give him a warning and what he does it with the Gardaí can't control either.


  • #8730
    IvoryTower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,825 ✭✭✭IvoryTower


    That gang he was apart of are all pretty young, I doubt there was much grooming needed for any of them to be honest. The stories you hear about them from a young age would suggest they've always been scumbags. Bad upbringing in a bad area = high chance of being a scumbag unfortunately


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  • #8731
    Sureitlbegrand
    Registered Users Posts: 87 ✭✭Sureitlbegrand


    Cork_Langer1 wrote: »
    They had intelligence that this was going to happen and left it happen, a **** show by guards there.

    I couldn't give a feck about hardened adult gangsters getting GIM and been killed but the childs GIM was credible and took place in a way we haven't seen before here.
    The same child was convicted of intimidation of a single mother and her son and burned there house and pet cat why should he get 24hr protection if hes wasnt worried about the threat and still carried on like normal you expect the garda to follow him round like a bodyguard service 24/7 when plenty of law abiding people need the help of de garda too. Limited resources ya kno.


  • #8732
    rodmn2377
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭rodmn2377


    IvoryTower wrote: »
    That gang he was apart of are all pretty young, I doubt there was much grooming needed for any of them to be honest. The stories you hear about them from a young age would suggest they've always been scumbags. Bad upbringing in a bad area = high chance of being a scumbag unfortunately

    in fairness these lads are 16/17 in age but are hardened violent criminals. these lads wouldnt think twice about sticking you with a knife or kicking your head in when your on the ground. there not your typical 16yr old and not like you or i. in this case this "kid" was going around petrol bombing houses.. personally i think the whole he was a child goes out the window when thats what your doing.....


  • #8733
    RoosterCogburn
    Registered Users Posts: 96 ✭✭RoosterCogburn


    If KMs murder happened today he'd be 18 and the media would be calling him a young gangland figure not a child, the whole child thing is ridiculous considering he was literally months away from being an adult


  • #8734
    User94
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4 ✭User94


    RoosterCogburn wrote: »
    If KMs murder happened today he'd be 18 and the media would be calling him a young gangland figure not a child, the whole child thing is ridiculous considering he was literally months away from being an adult

    Did you think you were an adult when you were 18?


  • #8735
    IvoryTower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,825 ✭✭✭IvoryTower


    Do you think he was going to be a changed man at 23? The only difference is he would probably have killed someone by then.


  • #8736
    sasta le
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭sasta le


    Saw pictures of the funeral all bubble jackets and trainers


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  • #8737
    rodmn2377
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭rodmn2377


    User94 wrote: »
    Did you think you were an adult when you were 18?

    i really think people are getting hung up with this age thing.. ill say it again these young men, teenagers, young adults are completely different to use.. they have hurt and damaged people for years... what they lack in age they have made up for in yrs of hard criminal activity


  • #8738
    yellabelly20
    Registered Users Posts: 22 ✭yellabelly20


    Lord_Slong wrote: »
    Two Garda choppers flying around Ballyer right now (very unusual) even for here.

    https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/wheatfield-high-alert-after-someone-17744047


  • #8739
    Cork_Langer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 198 ✭✭Cork_Langer1


    pablo128 wrote: »
    Child or not, if he burnt my house down I'd have chopped him up myself.

    I see people's here point, and I didn't condone KMs previous behaviour, it was the way he was killed and people frothing at the mouth that suits him right for previous re his behaviour.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/editorial/the-irish-times-view-on-gangland-crime-putting-it-up-to-the-state-1.4142128?mode=amp


  • #8740
    Alrigghtythen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Alrigghtythen


    He was a "child" with a GMI and went round the town throwing his weight around and petrol bombing peoples house. He didn't give a feck about his victims so it's not surprising if people don't have sympathy for him, child or not, the place is better off without him.


  • #8741
    d51984
    Registered Users Posts: 934 ✭✭✭d51984


    Take this with a pinch of salt as its coming from a wotsap group, Shots fired in a house in Ferrycarrig Coolock, person in car in garden injured. Burning car in Clarehall. Ive seen 2 garda jeeps flying by a few mins ago..

    Its a disgrace Joe!



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  • #8742
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    Cork_Langer1 wrote: »
    I see people's here point, and I didn't condone KMs previous behaviour, it was the way he was killed and people frothing at the mouth that suits him right for previous re his behaviour.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/editorial/the-irish-times-view-on-gangland-crime-putting-it-up-to-the-state-1.4142128?mode=amp

    I don't see anyone frothing at the mouth for how he was killed, 99% of posters here are disgusted with it but I think the valid point of him not being a child by his actions is the debate here. If he was burning down your house and intimidating your family you'd be glad to see the back of him but you wouldn't wish what happened to his body after.


  • #8743
    Cork_Langer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 198 ✭✭Cork_Langer1


    Banana Republic. wrote: »
    I don't see anyone frothing at the mouth for how he was killed, 99% of posters here are disgusted with it but I think the valid point of him not being a child by his actions is the debate here. If he was burning down your house and intimidating your family you'd be glad to see the back of him but you wouldn't wish what happened to his body after.

    Two posts up from yours, there's one I'll get you more if you want.

    There's no debate, he was and now will always be a CHILD.

    In Ireland under the Child Care Act 1991, the Children Act 2001 and the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child a child is defined as anyone under the age of 18.


  • #8744
    Dramalama80
    Registered Users Posts: 37 ✭Dramalama80


    Cork_Langer1 wrote: »
    He was a child!
    He sure as hell didn't act like a child. Will u ever cop yourself on


  • #8745
    Cork_Langer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 198 ✭✭Cork_Langer1


    Dramalama80 wrote: »
    He sure as hell didn't act like a child. Will u ever cop yourself on

    I'll be surprised if you even reply like the rest of the hive mind here.

    Ye hardly believe he was collecting money for himself?

    He was controlled by senior criminals, groomed.

    I've stated facts, no emotive bull hop, if you or anyone else doesn't like that, there's nothing I can do for ye.

    May I add, posters saying me and another account are ruining the tread, there's nothing happening, there's always a lull for a while, expect at the height Hutch/kinahan feud.


  • #8746
    Dramalama80
    Registered Users Posts: 37 ✭Dramalama80


    Cork_Langer1 wrote: »
    I'll be surprised if you even reply like the rest of the hive mind here.

    Ye hardly believe he was collecting money for himself?

    He was controlled by senior criminals, groomed.

    I've stated facts, no emotive bull hop, if you or anyone else doesn't like that, there's nothing I can do for ye.

    May I add, posters saying me and another account are ruining the tread, there's nothing happening, there's always a lull for a while, expect at the height Hutch/kinahan feud.
    Actually I don't believe he was groomed. I believe he wanted to act like a tough man, running round threatening people over families drug depts, killing cats etc. I'd say he loved the thrill of it all. There was a GIM out for him he should have stayed where he was safe not played with fire. He certainly didn't deserve to die the way he did but at the end of the day it could have been him doing that to someone else the path he was headed.


  • #8747
    Dramalama80
    Registered Users Posts: 37 ✭Dramalama80


    And another thing if that was my 'CHILD' and he had a GIM he damn sure would not have been leaving the house


  • #8748
    Ryangerry81
    Registered Users Posts: 5 ✭Ryangerry81


    Anyone following the brady trial?


  • #8749
    FeelTheByrne23
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6 ✭FeelTheByrne23


    Still debatin about whether bomber mulready was a kid.. Stop! He was an out of control kid / adult that was gonna die a nasty way anyway cause he would never have wanted to turn his life around.. Look at his Godfather ffs! Imagine a life where ye cant just have a new bike cause ye have to save for it #eyeroll #switchon

    BTW nobody stopped to comment on the supposed shootin in Ferrycarrig?? Anyone shed anymore light?


  • #8750
    Thesiger
    Registered Users Posts: 448 ✭✭Thesiger


    d51984 wrote: »
    Take this with a pinch of salt as its coming from a wotsap group, Shots fired in a house in Ferrycarrig Coolock, person in car in garden injured. Burning car in Clarehall. Ive seen 2 garda jeeps flying by a few mins ago..

    Nothing more on this?


  • #8751
    Ryangerry81
    Registered Users Posts: 5 ✭Ryangerry81


    FeelTheByrne23 wrote: »
    Still debatin about whether bomber mulready was a kid.. Stop! He was an out of control kid / adult that was gonna die a nasty way anyway cause he would never have wanted to turn his life around.. Look at his Godfather ffs! Imagine a life where ye cant just have a new bike cause ye have to save for it #eyeroll #switchon

    BTW nobody stopped to comment on the supposed shootin in Ferrycarrig?? Anyone shed anymore light?

    The talk about whether he was a child or not, has brought this thread into the realm of semantics.

    Should be ignored and back to the gangster chat.

    I seen the video of the 2 lads doing burnouts on scramblera today outside Keane mulreadys house after the funeral doing the rounds, anyone see it.


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