Take it handy lads...

carfinder wrote: »

Hadn't seen that - more bad news. The common denominator with all these fatalities is the forensic collision investigation which gets to the truth of the collision in a scientific way and will be added to the statistics. According to RSA Saturday and Sunday are, statistically, the most dangerous days on the road for bikers. Regardless of culpability, I suspect speed will be a contributing factor - both fatalities occurred on regional roads with, I suspect, 80kph posted limits

You suspect speed will be a contributing factor ? Naturally. Everything is moving at some speed slow or otherwise .. regardless, 2 people died. Rip to those and condolences to their families.
Again coming in posting about the RSA and speed when bikers died. Switch off for a bit please? These lads are not dead 24 hours but you are straight in which is only showing one thing and thats your agenda to prove bikers speeding is the fault. I can't prove it wasn't but you certainly can't prove it was the reason. Until you know different give it a rest. Let their families grieve and bury them before you spout on again.

carfinder wrote: »

Hadn't seen that - more bad news. The common denominator with all these fatalities is the forensic collision investigation which gets to the truth of the collision in a scientific way and will be added to the statistics. According to RSA Saturday and Sunday are, statistically, the most dangerous days on the road for bikers. Regardless of culpability, I suspect speed will be a contributing factor - both fatalities occurred on regional roads with, I suspect, 80kph posted limits

Regardless of culpability, speed will be a contributing factor...

So you don't think someone traveling at the legal limit of 80km/h could be killed by somebody else's poor driving?

Leave it out, mate. If a car travelling at 100km/h hits a bike head on, that's gonna cause havoc regardless of bike speed. A biker could hit loose chippings or an oil spill or a deep pothole and lose control, while traveling at a legally acceptable speed. I've been travelling at literally 0km/h and knocked off my bike into rush hour traffic, could have been fatal.

Your apparent agenda and the way you communicate on here is genuinely sickening.

di11on wrote: »

On a slightly different note - I came across a group of cyclists today - 4-abreast the other side of a blind bend... Christ almighty... if I was a car it would have been one tangled mess I can tell you.

That's the thing about blind bends. They're blind. There could be anything around any blind bend- slow cyclists or tractor, bunch of walkers, animal or two, crashed car. That's why anyone going through any blind bend needs to be able to stop.

Awful to hear of two more deaths.

UrbanFret wrote: »

I can guarantee you speed was not a factor in the collision in cavan.

I was on the scene. I'll leave it at that.:rolleyes:

And same there are clear pictures from Spiddal - bike into side of a car which appears to have been emerging and turning to travel in the opposite direction... definitely doesn't sound like anyone can give blame to the bike from the info available.

RIP to all..

Checkpoint on the Wicklow Gap earlier on. Every biker was made dismount and was given a safety briefing by the Gardai. They were saying that some of the accidents were NOT down to speed, but appealing to all to make sure to ride within your limits.

ratracer wrote: »

We’re they at least motorcycle cops that were doing the lecturing?

Yep, 4 of them up there. And i didn’t take it as lecturing, just asking lads and lassies to be careful and stay within their limits.

Hopefully that lunatic from a few years ago who was trying to run bikers off the road up there is long gone

Next week they're going after scaffolders and it's a good talking on the virtues of stop end toe boards. Then brickies with their pesky 10 mil joints.
Best just avoid the gap on weekends.

Mjolnir wrote: »

To me it would depend on my mood and how they went about it.

While I try not to ride when pissed off if I was and they stopped me and told me to dismount without a lawful reason and were dickish about it, then yea I'd start being a smart ass.
If it was a case of they were being genuine and making a genuine effort to try curtail the amount of accidents especially after 11 riders being in accidents over the space of a week or so then I'd probably take it better.

Depends on the day and the person but I wouldn't have a go at a well meaning cop trying to get a message across especially if there's a genuine sentiment behind it.

If I'm not mistaken that place is somewhat known for accidents too.

Don't forget also some cops ride in their spare time but wouldn't want to be part of the rpu.

I’m the first to admit that on occasion I’ve been naive/trying to see the good in people, but the sergeant who was chatting to us wasn’t being a dick. There was no “where are yiz off to lads?”, no pretence that it was a COVID checkpoint.

He had the ages of the riders and engine sizes of the bikes involved in the fatal accidents and he wasn’t lecturing us, he was speaking with us rather than to us. He mentioned that he’s seen lads flying along that road and being in full control of themselves and their bikes, and also seen lads driving at half the speed but being right on their limits.

Look, I’m only driving bikes since last July/August and only have the full licence a wet weekend, but what the sergeant was saying made some sense to me. He was saying that sometimes folks riding in groups can result in someone pushing their limits and to me, that makes sense.

I know if I went out with some of you lads I’d be at the back of a group and holding lads up. And that’s not just cos of my deauville!! It’s cos of my lack of experience so I’ll drive at a pace and rate that I’m comfortable with. That might be too slow for some, but also too fast for others.

To me, it was a genuine sentiment and a genuine attempt to make sure we all go home each night we take the bike out

knucklehead6 wrote: »

I’m the first to admit that on occasion I’ve been naive/trying to see the good in people, but the sergeant who was chatting to us wasn’t being a dick. There was no “where are yiz off to lads?”, no pretence that it was a COVID checkpoint.

He had the ages of the riders and engine sizes of the bikes involved in the fatal accidents and he wasn’t lecturing us, he was speaking with us rather than to us. He mentioned that he’s seen lads flying along that road and being in full control of themselves and their bikes, and also seen lads driving at half the speed but being right on their limits.

Look, I’m only driving bikes since last July/August and only have the full licence a wet weekend, but what the sergeant was saying made some sense to me. He was saying that sometimes folks riding in groups can result in someone pushing their limits and to me, that makes sense.

I know if I went out with some of you lads I’d be at the back of a group and holding lads up. And that’s not just cos of my deauville!! It’s cos of my lack of experience so I’ll drive at a pace and rate that I’m comfortable with. That might be too slow for some, but also too fast for others.

To me, it was a genuine sentiment and a genuine attempt to make sure we all go home each night we take the bike out

I usually avoid group rides because pack mentality sets in a bit too easy and I don't want points on my licence, too easy to forget yourself let rip and then boom fine and points ha.

Ah all my interactions with guards are grand and unless you're acting the dick most talk to rather than lecture. Fair play to them not coming across at all condescending though in that scenario it can be difficult.

You're dead on mate ride to your comfort, very easy blindly follow someone's lead into danger. Many forget some lads aren't as confident, comfortable or skilled as they are never mind may not know the roads and be apprehensive.

Ride to your own limits I've laughed at a mate claiming to do 120km/h on a 100km/h road, my clock read miles and I can confidently tell you they were at well over 100mph.
I just gave up let off the throttle said I'd catch up to them at some stage, that mate had about 40x the milage under their belt as I had.
As long as you're happy, enjoying it and get home OK who cares.

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