Audi e-tron

markpb · 12-10-2020 9:37am

Lumen wrote: »

The "acceleration boost" upgrade is not available in Ireland.

That doesn't alter the fact that it exists as a business practice though, does it?

Kramer · 12-10-2020 11:48am

redcup342 wrote: »

Rear heated seats in the SR+ ?

There's an argument there, as no doubt it's cheaper/easier for Tesla to produce all rear seats with the heating elements. The heating elements probably cost pennies too & the seats are common to all Model 3s & presumably, Model Ys.

Additionally, it's a one off €300 payment (money grab IMO too, just bloody activate them for everyone - the cheapest Model 3 here is €57k before grants/subvention :eek:).

Matrix LED headlights though - expensive hardware!

Plus they seem to be moving this to an annual/recurring subscription model.

Imagine walking around an Audi dealership in a few years time, looking at an E-Tron with matrix LED headlights & other nice goodies/extras, not knowing if they are included with the car :eek:.

Everything is moving to the recurring subscription model, but accessing/using hardware on a high end car is nuts IMO. You're buying the car, but only renting use of the headlights? Where does this end?

Keep this sh1t for leasing or PCP. If I buy a car & order extras, a tech pack, or comfort pack, I want to own it.

If it makes money, more manufacturers will follow. Produce all cars in the highest spec but nobble/deactivate the extras, make the owner pay every year, in perpetuity. What if they decide in 3 years time, when you are used to the nice headlights, they want a grand a year for them?

Slippery slope.

shanec1928 · 12-10-2020 11:54am

wonder could they be enabled via vcds if the hardware is already installed?

Cyrus · 12-10-2020 12:21pm

Kramer wrote: »

Keep this sh1t for leasing or PCP. If I buy a car & order extras, a tech pack, or comfort pack, I want to own it.

you can, thats still an option.

Kramer · 12-10-2020 2:00pm

Cyrus wrote: »

you can, thats still an option.

For now.

If it becomes more profitable to build the car fully loaded & sell access to the features to each owner, on a yearly subscription basis, that's thee way they will go.

Why sell matrix LED lights to the first owner when you can resell the features, every year & to every new owner. They'll claim the initial cost will be lower, but it won't :cool:.

galwaytt · 12-10-2020 2:21pm

Kramer wrote: »

There's an argument there, as no doubt it's cheaper/easier for Tesla to produce all rear seats with the heating elements. The heating elements probably cost pennies too & the seats are common to all Model 3s & presumably, Model Ys.

Additionally, it's a one off €300 payment (money grab IMO too, just bloody activate them for everyone - the cheapest Model 3 here is €57k before grants/subvention :eek:).

Matrix LED headlights though - expensive hardware!

Plus they seem to be moving this to an annual/recurring subscription model.

Imagine walking around an Audi dealership in a few years time, looking at an E-Tron with matrix LED headlights & other nice goodies/extras, not knowing if they are included with the car :eek:.

Everything is moving to the recurring subscription model, but accessing/using hardware on a high end car is nuts IMO. You're buying the car, but only renting use of the headlights? Where does this end?

Keep this sh1t for leasing or PCP. If I buy a car & order extras, a tech pack, or comfort pack, I want to own it.

If it makes money, more manufacturers will follow. Produce all cars in the highest spec but nobble/deactivate the extras, make the owner pay every year, in perpetuity. What if they decide in 3 years time, when you are used to the nice headlights, they want a grand a year for them?

Slippery slope.

And hers 3 more scenarios:

1 - In 3 yrs time after it comes back to dealer off PCP, will the value he assesses it at for trade-in be based on whether those features are/are not enabled?

2 - In 3 years time I walk on to the forecourt of dealer above to buy aforesaid 3 yr old eTron and I want to know if half the spec listed in his lovely ad is actually enabled? And if so permanently or time-limited? Will this be the bargaining chip ??

3 - VRT being assessed as it is on the ad valorem value - including extras - can I 'strip' the car presale to keep VRT down, and then 'add them' post sale with s/w update with a nett benefit to me ?

This is some rabbit hole they've created here.....

ELM327 · 12-10-2020 2:23pm

galwaytt wrote: »

And hers 3 more scenarios:

1 - In 3 yrs time after it comes back to dealer off PCP, will the value he assesses it at for trade-in be based on whether those features are/are not enabled?

2 - In 3 years time I walk on to the forecourt of dealer above to buy aforesaid 3 yr old eTron and I want to know if half the spec listed in his lovely ad is actually enabled? And if so permanently or time-limited? Will this be the bargaining chip ??

3 - VRT being assessed as it is on the ad valorem value - including extras - can I 'strip' the car presale to keep VRT down, and then 'add them' post sale with s/w update with a nett benefit to me ?

This is some rabbit hole they've created here.....

You can do this already on Teslas. Buy FSD after purchase, or unlock heated seats etc, then you are not charged VRT on that cost.

Cyrus · 12-10-2020 2:26pm

galwaytt wrote: »

And hers 3 more scenarios:

1 - In 3 yrs time after it comes back to dealer off PCP, will the value he assesses it at for trade-in be based on whether those features are/are not enabled?

to be fair you get fook all allowance for extras when trading in, hence id rather 'rent' what i want for 3 years than buy it for good and not get any allowance for it when trading.

MarkN · 12-10-2020 8:01pm

In a eTron Sportback this week!

Cyrus · 12-10-2020 8:15pm

Fantastic

What’s that colour mark ? I think i saw that in Audi south last time I was up .

MarkN · 12-10-2020 8:28pm

Plasma Blue

Heres Johnny · 13-10-2020 7:56am

Is that cheaper or dearer than the original etron?

AidenL · 13-10-2020 8:25am

MarkN wrote: »

In a eTron Sportback this week!
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When will your review be up?

redcup342 · 13-10-2020 8:53am

It's interesting the switched the charging port location to the Right hand side of the car on the Sportback.

This was a complete pain in the h*le on the older model in Germany at least since you can't park against the direction of traffic and the Charging pole would always be awkward to get to without a really long cable.

I thought they would have kept it to the left for the RHD Drive model though.

Cyrus · 13-10-2020 9:25am

redcup342 wrote: »

It's interesting the switched the charging port location to the Right hand side of the car on the Sportback.

This was a complete pain in the h*le on the older model in Germany at least since you can't park against the direction of traffic and the Charging pole would always be awkward to get to without a really long cable.

I thought they would have kept it to the left for the RHD Drive model though.

european etrons have charging ports on both sides, DC fast charger is on the drivers side but ac is both.

Cyrus · 13-10-2020 9:25am

Heres Johnny wrote: »

Is that cheaper or dearer than the original etron?

more expensive, the 'coupe' ish versions always are

ELM327 · 13-10-2020 10:13am

Cyrus wrote: »

european etrons have charging ports on both sides, DC fast charger is on the drivers side but ac is both.

That's a paid option.

Cyrus · 13-10-2020 10:15am

ELM327 wrote: »

That's a paid option.

not in europe

Kramer · 13-10-2020 10:44am

ELM327 wrote: »

That's a paid option.

From earlier in the thread, it could happen that all cars are built with charge ports on both sides, but you pay a yearly sub to activate each, or both :pac:.

ELM327 · 13-10-2020 10:46am

Kramer wrote: »

From earlier in the thread, it could happen that all cars are built with charge ports on both sides, but you pay a yearly sub to activate each, or both :pac:.

Seems like that's the way it's going!

I naively assumed it was the same in the rest of the EU as it was here and the UK. I also watched a review on Youtube of someone who bought a first edition one in the south of france that didnt have the second charge point because it was a paid option.

Cyrus · 13-10-2020 10:51am

ELM327 wrote: »

Seems like that's the way it's going!

I naively assumed it was the same in the rest of the EU as it was here and the UK. I also watched a review on Youtube of someone who bought a first edition one in the south of france that didnt have the second charge point because it was a paid option.

to the best of my knowledge it was only in the us that the charging port was on one side.

was that the video of the guy complaining?

just saw it now, i was pretty sure it was all of eu that got both sides but appears not! i havent seen an etron 50 without both so maybe they changed it.

ELM327 · 13-10-2020 10:53am

Cyrus wrote: »

to the best of my knowledge it was only in the us that the charging port was on one side.

was that the video of the guy complaining?

This guy
https://youtu.be/IOPFiR4pIhc

redcup342 · 13-10-2020 1:13pm

Cyrus wrote: »

to the best of my knowledge it was only in the us that the charging port was on one side.

was that the video of the guy complaining?

just saw it now, i was pretty sure it was all of eu that got both sides but appears not! i havent seen an etron 50 without both so maybe they changed it.

2019 55 I had did not have it for sure.

Cyrus · 13-10-2020 2:33pm

redcup342 wrote: »

2019 55 I had did not have it for sure.

really thats odd , maybe its uk and ireland then

Heres Johnny · 13-10-2020 2:34pm

Cyrus wrote: »

more expensive, the 'coupe' ish versions always are

Yeah they are unfortunately but I wasn't sure if this was a bit smaller and maybe a different class than the etron. Like the original etron being an a6 and the sport back being an a5. Unfortunately it looks like its an a7.

Cyrus · 13-10-2020 2:44pm

Yeah the Q4 e-tron will fill that gap probably the audi version of the ID4?

the E-tron it self is effectively an electric Q8 size wise and the sportback is the swoopy version which doesnt really exist in the rest of the suv range for audi.

digiman · 31-12-2020 10:00pm

How are you finding the range now in the cold winter?

Cyrus · 31-12-2020 10:12pm

digiman wrote: »

How are you finding the range now in the cold winter?

220km for the 50 in this weather give or take

Did a 137km spin the other day and would have had heater on and off and heated seats

31kw/100km I averaged.

daithihalton · 09-01-2021 3:31pm

Hi does anyone know if the functions on demand option is available on the myAudi Ireland app ?

Cyrus · 09-01-2021 8:42pm

daithihalton wrote: »

Hi does anyone know if the functions on demand option is available on the myAudi Ireland app ?

Just logon via the website but change the country to Germany first you can buy from there .

daithihalton · 09-01-2021 9:48pm

Thanks for the tip, I logged in there and also tried the UK website, both show that no functions on demand are available.
I'll have to follow up with the dealer as it showed on the spec summary of the car, I was looking to activate the matrix headlights

Functions on demand
There are no functions available to purchase for your Audi at the moment. As soon as the available functions change, functions you can order are shown here. Come back and check again soon.

Cyrus · 09-01-2021 10:02pm

daithihalton wrote: »

Thanks for the tip, I logged in there and also tried the UK website, both show that no functions on demand are available.
I'll have to follow up with the dealer as it showed on the spec summary of the car, I was looking to activate the matrix headlights

Functions on demand
There are no functions available to purchase for your Audi at the moment. As soon as the available functions change, functions you can order are shown here. Come back and check again soon.

That’s unusual , what model is yours ? I was given to understand they all hardware for matrix headlights

daithihalton · 09-01-2021 10:36pm

Cyrus wrote: »

That’s unusual , what model is yours ? I was given to understand they all hardware for matrix headlights

It’s a new 50 sport, I had the same understanding that it has the hardware, I’ll follow up with Audi on it

Cyrus · 09-01-2021 11:21pm

daithihalton wrote: »

It’s a new 50 sport, I had the same understanding that it has the hardware, I’ll follow up with Audi on it

As is mine

I was able to get matrix light plus and the park assistant

Cyrus · 11-01-2021 2:56pm

i saw a nice e-tron in manhatten grey (i think) at the pier in DL yesterday, anyone here?

Cyrus · 15-01-2021 5:33pm

The 22"s look very nice, this car is the exact same spec as mine except i have the std 20s

wont do anything for range mind...

https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/audi/e-tron/fpa/202009023236079?journey=Search

daithihalton · 15-01-2021 9:00pm

Very nice, suit the car, I wonder how it would drive with them, I’d expect it to be harder

AmberGold · 15-01-2021 10:27pm

Cyrus wrote: »

The 22"s look very nice, this car is the exact same spec as mine except i have the std 20s

wont do anything for range mind...

https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/audi/e-tron/fpa/202009023236079?journey=Search

Saw that, looks the business...

Cyrus · 15-01-2021 10:46pm

daithihalton wrote: »

Very nice, suit the car, I wonder how it would drive with them, I’d expect it to be harder

Air suspension would help in that regard but yes definitely not as comfortable.

digiman · 16-01-2021 10:34am

Cyrus wrote: »

The 22"s look very nice, this car is the exact same spec as mine except i have the std 20s

wont do anything for range mind...

https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/audi/e-tron/fpa/202009023236079?journey=Search

That's stunning, the wheels and black pack make a huge difference there.

The more I look into it, the more I'm liking the etron. Was really considering the BMW X45e, but I'm leaning more towards the etron now.

Got a price for the new etron S, €112k after delivery and grant.

Do you think it's worth getting one with the 22kW AC charging port? I see it's not an option, haven't' seen it on any configurator and price is believed to be about 1.5k. I think unless you had 3phase at home it would be hard to get proper use out of it. I've a Tesla M3P at the moment but would never stop at a charger slower than 50kw unless I was very stuck

Cyrus · 16-01-2021 4:10pm

digiman wrote: »

That's stunning, the wheels and black pack make a huge difference there.

The more I look into it, the more I'm liking the etron. Was really considering the BMW X45e, but I'm leaning more towards the etron now.

Got a price for the new etron S, €112k after delivery and grant.

Do you think it's worth getting one with the 22kW AC charging port? I see it's not an option, haven't' seen it on any configurator and price is believed to be about 1.5k. I think unless you had 3phase at home it would be hard to get proper use out of it. I've a Tesla M3P at the moment but would never stop at a charger slower than 50kw unless I was very stuck

I wouldn’t pay for it no, you won’t get the benefit at home without 3 phase and how often are you going to be using a 22kw ac charger ?

I think those wheels are std on the s ? What’s the bhp on it ? And range ? It looks savage !

digiman · 16-01-2021 4:22pm

Cyrus wrote: »

I wouldn’t pay for it no, you won’t get the benefit at home without 3 phase and how often are you going to be using a 22kw ac charger ?

I think those wheels are std on the s ? What’s the bhp on it ? And range ? It looks savage !

It’s 496bhp, does 0-100 in 4.5s. It looks beautiful, range is quoted as 200-300miles. I’d love to get a nicely specced demo one in 6 months time from NI, VRT would be for nothing and should work out a decent bit cheaper. Will be interesting to see if Irish dealers get any in. Surprised they are not for sale here yet as they have been in the UK for a few months now.

Cyrus · 16-01-2021 4:25pm

digiman wrote: »

It’s 496bhp, does 0-100 in 4.5s. It looks beautiful, range is quoted as 200-300miles. I’d love to get a nicely specced demo one in 6 months time from NI, VRT would be for nothing and should work out a decent bit cheaper. Will be interesting to see if Irish dealers get any in. Surprised they are not for sale here yet as they have been in the UK for a few months now.

I’d get some reliable 3rd party reviews on range the e-trons are the petrol equivalent of gas guzzlers

I’d like an s or a taycan next depending on what stage the kids are at .

digiman · 16-01-2021 4:41pm

Yeah, range seems to get pretty bad reviews on etrons in general. If I could get 200miles At motorway speeds I’d be happy enough with that.

Cyrus · 16-01-2021 7:45pm

digiman wrote: »

Yeah, range seems to get pretty bad reviews on etrons in general. If I could get 200miles At motorway speeds I’d be happy enough with that.

That’s over 300km , I’d look into that, it’s the same size battery as the 55 I think so I doubt the range is better it might be just about that .

You are probably looking at 28-30 kw per 100km in this weather.

markpb · 17-01-2021 9:28pm

digiman wrote: »

Do you think it's worth getting one with the 22kW AC charging port

I’ve a 17kW charger on my MX and it’s very handy. If you’re talking a longer trip, you have a few choices. A quick stop at a 150kW charger (in the unlikely event that one exists). A 45 minute stop at a 50kW charger or a slightly longer stop at a 20kW charger. The last one works well if you’re getting food at the same time. You can park, walk a few minutes to a nearby restaurant, eat your food and there’s no pressure getting back to the car to avoid the overstay fee or hogging the charge point.

It works equally well if you’re away from home and have no overnight charging. Instead of stopping at a 50/150 on the way home, you can charge while eating, at a cinema or shopping. If you day-travel for work (ah the good old pre-Covid days...), you can charge while you’re at meetings and drive straight home afterwards.

Edit: one major advantage is that there’s so many of them in Ireland.

Cyrus · 17-01-2021 10:21pm

markpb wrote: »

I’ve a 17kW charger on my MX and it’s very handy. If you’re talking a longer trip, you have a few choices. A quick stop at a 150kW charger (in the unlikely event that one exists). A 45 minute stop at a 50kW charger or a slightly longer stop at a 20kW charger. The last one works well if you’re getting food at the same time. You can park, walk a few minutes to a nearby restaurant, eat your food and there’s no pressure getting back to the car to avoid the overstay fee or hogging the charge point.

It works equally well if you’re away from home and have no overnight charging. Instead of stopping at a 50/150 on the way home, you can charge while eating, at a cinema or shopping. If you day-travel for work (ah the good old pre-Covid days...), you can charge while you’re at meetings and drive straight home afterwards.

Edit: one major advantage is that there’s so many of them in Ireland.

Would you pay 1500 quid to be able to go from 11 as std to 22? I wouldn’t but depends on your driving habits I guess .

markpb · 17-01-2021 10:47pm

Cyrus wrote: »

Would you pay 1500 quid to be able to go from 11 as std to 22? I wouldn’t but depends on your driving habits I guess .

I would, absolutely. For me 11kW is pointless. Who’s going to charge at that rate? It’s too fast for at home and too slow for anywhere else. 22kW is a good compromise between slow and fast charging. Like you said though, it’s not going to be useful for everyone.

Cyrus · 18-01-2021 8:34am

markpb wrote: »

I would, absolutely. For me 11kW is pointless. Who’s going to charge at that rate? It’s too fast for at home and too slow for anywhere else. 22kW is a good compromise between slow and fast charging. Like you said though, it’s not going to be useful for everyone.

Problem with the etron is generally if you are on a long trip you need a full enough recharge

So at a 22kw charger you’ll still have to put in 3-4 hours ! But I take your point that in certain use cases it’s useful, for me it wouldn’t be worth it.

Cyrus · 18-01-2021 10:42am

dropped mine up to sandyford this morning, the drivers side (fast) charging door wont open, when its in apparently there is a recall on the rear light strip and a few software updates as well FYI

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