"Man Up" campaign by SafeIreland

clairefontaine · 14-11-2013 12:25am

psinno wrote: »

The campaign isn't specific to Ireland. It is an American led campaign started about 5 years ago. The phrase doesn't strike me as particularly American.

But is a safe IRELAND campaign? I've never heard of it in the US.

Man up is an American phrase that evidently has been imported.

um7y1h83ge06nx · 14-11-2013 12:31am

Indeed. But it just plays up the stereotype forced on young men by society that they must be stoic and keep a lot of their thoughts to themselves.

I'd hate to be a teenager again, I don't think there was such a negative attitude towards young men when I was a teenager 10-15 years ago.

clairefontaine · 14-11-2013 12:33am

Juan Cold Invoice wrote: »

Indeed. But it just plays up the stereotype forced on young men by society that they must be stoic and keep a lot of their thoughts to themselves.

I'd hate to be a teenager again, I don't think there was such a negative attitude towards young men when I was a teenager 10-15 years ago.

The socialisation starts even younger. I've heard teachers coach six and seven year old boys on how to sit on their feelings and be little men.

Davelarson · 14-11-2013 12:38am

Juan Cold Invoice wrote: »

Indeed. But it just plays up the stereotype forced on young men by society that they must be stoic and keep a lot of their thoughts to themselves.

I'd hate to be a teenager again, I don't think there was such a negative attitude towards young men when I was a teenager 10-15 years ago.

Ultimately though, these campaigns and the anti-male rhetoric of many feminists will be counter-productive. We'll have a society with an awful lot of angry alienated young men wandering around trying to articulate their anger.

Festy · 14-11-2013 1:22am

Juan Cold Invoice wrote: »

Saw an ad on the Luas over the weekend from this campaign.

I completely dismissed it as I hate that fcuking phrase "Man Up". In my experience the only people that use it are thick, ignorant pricks.

"Man up" is in the same vein as "big boys don't cry". Terrible rubbish.

and they wonder why Ireland has one of the highest suicide rates in Europe among young males, seriously people in this country make me so ****ing angry :mad:

Such an ignorant and backward country we live in.

clairefontaine · 14-11-2013 1:33am

Davelarson wrote: »

Ultimately though, these campaigns and the anti-male rhetoric of many feminists will be counter-productive. We'll have a society with an awful lot of angry alienated young men wandering around trying to articulate their anger.

Or indeed taking it out on wives and children. Oh dear, hoisted on their own petard. Actually causing part of the very problem they are trying to solve.

Galwayguy35 · 14-11-2013 5:53am

It was on the radio I heard it yesterday, a woman being interviewed telling the male listeners to intervene if they see a woman being hassled on a night out etc, as if any decent guy (and thats 99.9% of men) is just going to stand by and finish his pint if someone nearby is in trouble.

Then at the end yer man Decco from Fair City comes on with his words of wisdom " time to man up".

The whole interview annoyed the fook out of me TBH.

um7y1h83ge06nx · 14-11-2013 10:24am

They should really know that if they want people to listen to what they have to say they should engage them in a meaningful way, not talk down to them.

Newaglish · 14-11-2013 11:50am

I heard them talking on the radio about some kind of survey that they did that discovered that men didn't have an awareness of domestic violence i.e. what is is or the fact that it happens.

I can't for the life of me find the details of this survey (i.e. questions and results). Does anyone know where I might? Judging by their previous forays into taking conclusions from statistical data, I'm fairly sure it's not going to be the most robust analysis ever.

py2006 · 14-11-2013 12:51pm

GalwayGuy2 wrote: »

I understand what they're trying to do, but it really toeing the line of chivalry.

Also, some of the sighns of abuse are rather vague:
Agree with everything he says and does and be afraid to correct him.

Vice versa is the norm for the majority of married men I know!

py2006 · 14-11-2013 1:12pm

This old chestnut really infuriates me. We have spoken about this before on Boards.

It is far easier both in terms of support and social acceptance for women to come forward and seek help. Which is fantastic for them. But in NO way gives accurate figures and therefore adds fuel to the myth that all (some will concede most) of victims are women.
A lot of feminists people believe that in no way can a man be a victim of bullying, harrassment, abuse (physical, mental and sexual), discrimination and objectification.
If a man speaks about the above he is either a) dismissing / making fun of female victims or b) he needs to, 'MAN UP' and or 'GROW A PAIR'.

If the avenues and social acceptance for men to seek help where as widespread, we would not see campaigns about domestic violence and abuse in general being targetted specifically to women.

To be frank it is disgusting to ignore victims of abuse based on stereotypes.

ancapailldorcha · 14-11-2013 2:20pm

Festy wrote: »

Such an ignorant and backward country we live in.

I hate when people say this. It's not just Ireland, though this campaign obviously is. I don't think this breed of misandry is as common in bigger countries like the UK, US and Germany but you still see rags like the Guardian and BBC Radio 4 continuing to peddle the image of women being taken the victims of the patriarchy. I'm not saying misogyny never occurs, but it'd be nice to see a spotlight shown on issues affecting men. Flawed as the execution was, it was great to see Fair City and Corrie tackle domestic abuse perpetrated by women and hopefully spreading awareness will lead to these issues being taken more seriously.

iptba · 14-11-2013 5:03pm

Davelarson wrote: »

Soon we'll be living in a society where boys will be brought up to believe they're bad just for being male.

Saw this quote recently:

“I will not have my sons grow up in a world where the new original sin is being a man.”

Riskymove · 14-11-2013 5:07pm

Newaglish wrote: »

I heard them talking on the radio about some kind of survey that they did that discovered that men didn't have an awareness of domestic violence i.e. what is is or the fact that it happens.

I think it was more vague - a low % "were aware of the impact of doemstic violence"

imo how would you know unless it was visited upon you?

Here is the article

http://www.thejournal.ie/men-domestic-violence-ireland-survey-1172111-Nov2013/

something that annoyed me about the article is that on a couple of occassions it says "Men claim" something insinuating it may not be true while the women's responses are stated as fact

py2006 · 14-11-2013 5:10pm

Riskymove wrote: »

I think it was more vague - a low % "were aware of the impact of doemstic violence"

imo how would you know unless it was visited upon you?

Was that the same survey that said, "45% of men are not aware of how violence against women affects them"?

:rolleyes:

Riskymove · 14-11-2013 5:12pm

py2006 wrote: »

Was that the same survey that said, "45% of men are not aware of how violence against women affects them"?

:rolleyes:

yep

Gran Hermano · 14-11-2013 5:46pm

Anyone know why they didn't have a survey where they asked people (regardless of gender) whether they were aware of the impact of domestic violence?

Henry9 · 14-11-2013 6:01pm

Gran Hermano wrote: »

Anyone know why they didn't have a survey where they asked people (regardless of gender) whether they were aware of the impact of domestic violence?

Because they're not interested,
There's a narrative to be reinforced, anything which contradicts it is ignored.

Henry9 · 14-11-2013 6:15pm

deccurley wrote: »

If it stops one assault won't it be worth it?

Yes you're right. Just like that 'don't be that guy' condescending rubbish.

So I look forward to the advert depicting a Muslim plotting a terrorist outrage, hey don't be that guy! If it saves one life isn't it worth the outcry?

Or an immigrant defrauding the social welfare. Hey don't be that guy! So what if it depicts immigrants as benefit cheats? Means to an end isn't it?

Same as the 'he drives, she dies!' adverts. It's almost like there's only one group you can sling mud at in this way. Any other group would be 'stigmatised' or 'demonised'. Just ask Edmund Walsh.

Anyway it worked on me, in future I will MAN UP and not wimp out when the chips are down. Like a woman would presumably,

GalwayGuy2 · 14-11-2013 8:39pm

To people who say men can't be abused. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2507072/Paranoid-woman-Debbi-Wood-suffering-Othello-Syndrome-forces-fianc-lie-detector-test.html

Also, this could easily go under the sexism tab. Honestly, look at the wording of what is definitely an abusive relationship.

iptba · 15-11-2013 12:05am

clairefontaine wrote: »

Because being a woman has no implicit power. Man up exploits the contrivance that being a man is by proving you are not in fact a woman.

It means don't be a pussy. To be a woman is to be lame, ineffective, hysterical. It is ironically more offensive to women in a way, though being used on a campaign used to protect women.

Of course this just follows a very bad habit in Ireland of taking American memes and using them without fully understanding to caring about their contexts ans then stupidly and clumsily applies them to Irish contexts.

Man up. If you are drinking too much and lashing out, seek help.

Woman up. Leave the husband that beats you.

Woman up. Don't let your sons grow up into wife beaters.

Parent up. Love your children.

Children up. Love your parents. Sometimes love means picking up your toys.

It should mean, be that wee bit better. Be brave. Take courage, whomever you are.

That's one interpretation.

However, just to point out it can also allow women off the hook as not having the same burden or risks put on them e.g. men have effectively told to "man up" during times of conscription.

py2006 · 15-11-2013 1:04pm

GalwayGuy2 wrote: »

To people who say men can't be abused. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2507072/Paranoid-woman-Debbi-Wood-suffering-Othello-Syndrome-forces-fianc-lie-detector-test.html

Also, this could easily go under the sexism tab. Honestly, look at the wording of what is definitely an abusive relationship.

Completely different phraseology used here with a very light hearted approach.

ConFurioso · 15-11-2013 1:23pm

A pinch of salt definitely has to be taken as it's the dailfail.....but still....

You know when you read something that's just so bloody wrong that all you can do is laugh? I mean...so much responsibility for gender binary, misandry, misogyny etc etc lies with the media, and lately the social media.

clairefontaine · 15-11-2013 6:14pm

iptba wrote: »

That's one interpretation.

However, just to point out it can also allow women off the hook as not having the same burden or risks put on them e.g. men have effectively told to "man up" during times of conscription.

True. But I suspect within five years in the US you will also see women have to register for conscription too.

GalwayGuy2 · 15-11-2013 11:14pm

Completely different phraseology used here with a very light hearted approach.

It's kind of surreal.

You really have to read it to see what I'm talking about, but I don't think it would be wrote the same way if it was a woman in the man's situation.

Piliger · 28-11-2013 8:55pm

Interesting how little coverage the assault by Melanie Sykes on her husband is getting the UK, and almost every single article on the topic has its' comments deactivated ...

Maybe SafeIreland should explain their campaign to her husband ?

Sauve · 29-11-2013 12:08am

Piliger wrote: »

Interesting how little coverage the assault by Melanie Sykes on her husband is getting the UK, and almost every single article on the topic has its' comments deactivated ...

Maybe SafeIreland should explain their campaign to her husband ?

SafeIreland is an Irish campaign, I'm not seeing what it has to do with a case in the UK?
Or am I missing your point here?

beano345 · 29-11-2013 12:27am

Sauve wrote: »

SafeIreland is an Irish campaign, I'm not seeing what it has to do with a case in the UK?
Or am I missing your point here?

I think his point is in his post.thats its not just women that suffer abuse and if a man reports abuse its not taking as seriously regardless if it happens here or the north pole

Lemming · 29-11-2013 12:45am

Piliger wrote: »

Interesting how little coverage the assault by Melanie Sykes on her husband is getting the UK, and almost every single article on the topic has its' comments deactivated ...

Page 7 (full page) in the Metro (UK) today; only reason I suspect it wasn't further to the front page was owing to the several pages worth of commentary on Nigella Lawson & the fraud trial of her two assistants. The Nigella Lawson story really does seem to be dominating a lot of the newspapers front-pages at the moment.

Whilst you might think "wow, the 'Metro'. Whoopty-f*cking-do", this is the newspaper that is read by tens of thousands (if not into the hundreds of thousands) of rail commuters every single day up and down the length of the UK.

Sauve · 29-11-2013 1:31am

beano345 wrote: »

I think his point is in his post.thats its not just women that suffer abuse and if a man reports abuse its not taking as seriously regardless if it happens here or the north pole

Yep, so I missed his point. Completely misread it!
Seems like the police took the allegation seriously though- arrested, detained overnight, and cautioned after an admission of guilt.

"Man Up" campaign by SafeIreland

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