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Sexism you have personally experienced or have heard of? *READ POST 1*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,665 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 509 ✭✭✭Marcos


    Calhoun wrote: »
    She wasn't the worst of them but I couldn't get over installing Una Mulally as the education tsar.

    I'm not sure I can agree with that tbh. There's plenty of things that you could point the finger at her for. She's just a grifter, a Mé Féinner that managed to get into the Seanad and fool people in giving her enough transfers to scrape into the last seat in Dublin South West as an independent and then immediately turned around a finagled her way into the cabinet, being more loyal that a lot of Fine Gaelers. Remember her first act was to claim she traveled 25km to get to the Dáil, but her home is 22KM away according to the AA. But if you had to travel 25km you can claim €80,000 in travel expenses, but that's ok because [URL="[url]https://www.thejournal.ie/katherine-zappone-travel-expenses-2732813-Apr2016"]there was no wrongdoing[/URL]. :rolleyes:

    Look at her disgraceful treatment of the Tuam babies scandal, hiding information about birth parents from children forcibly adopted by nuns in mother and baby homes, and just before the election Tusla which she set up, brought in rules potentially allowing alleged child abusers to interview complainants, something that doesn't sit right with most people I imagine.

    Regarding her treatment of gender issues. She and her, now deceased wife, set up the an Cosán centre in Tallaght to help women gain access to education. Note women only. So I'm not surprised that she sets up a fellow traveler like Mulally to a position like that.

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,028 ✭✭✭H3llR4iser


    silverharp wrote: »

    I understand it's the Guardian, but by Jove, at least know what you're talking about folks - last time I checked, the most influential fiction author of the last 10 years isn't a dude.

    Also, of the first 10 best selling books in 2019:

    https://www.barnesandnoble.com/b/the-top-100-bestsellers-of-the-year/_/N-1p4d

    It's a perfect 50-50 split between male and female authors. But hey Guardian, let's not get facts get in the way of babbling...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    Click bait article lads from a rag that tries to get you to donate on any article they put in place.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    Marcos wrote: »
    I'm not sure I can agree with that tbh. There's plenty of things that you could point the finger at her for. She's just a grifter, a Mé Féinner that managed to get into the Seanad and fool people in giving her enough transfers to scrape into the last seat in Dublin South West as an independent and then immediately turned around a finagled her way into the cabinet, being more loyal that a lot of Fine Gaelers. Remember her first act was to claim she traveled 25km to get to the Dáil, but her home is 22KM away according to the AA. But if you had to travel 25km you can claim €80,000 in travel expenses, but that's ok because [URL="[url]https://www.thejournal.ie/katherine-zappone-travel-expenses-2732813-Apr2016"]there was no wrongdoing[/URL]. :rolleyes:

    Look at her disgraceful treatment of the Tuam babies scandal, hiding information about birth parents from children forcibly adopted by nuns in mother and baby homes, and just before the election Tusla which she set up, brought in rules potentially allowing alleged child abusers to interview complainants, something that doesn't sit right with most people I imagine.

    Regarding her treatment of gender issues. She and her, now deceased wife, set up the an Cosán centre in Tallaght to help women gain access to education. Note women only. So I'm not surprised that she sets up a fellow traveler like Mulally to a position like that.

    Honestly i didn't know the full extent of what she was up to. I had head about the Cosan centre but not that it was female only.

    My main concern was definintely Mulally as i would not want someone who engages in identity politics anywhere near kids.

    Good riddence so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭LostinBlanch


    maybe
    Calhoun wrote: »
    Honestly i didn't know the full extent of what she was up to. I had head about the Cosan centre but not that it was female only.

    My main concern was definintely Mulally as i would not want someone who engages in identity politics anywhere near kids.

    Good riddence so.

    I'm with you there. It didn't do Mary Mitchell O'Connor much good mind.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭LostinBlanch


    maybe
    Reading the D 15 election thread, Ruth Coppinger pissed a lot of people with a leaflet she circulated before voting day with a nice message of vote for me cos I'm a woman, and then found out to her cost that what seems good in the feminist echo chamber doesn't always translate in real life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    I'm with you there. It didn't do Mary Mitchell O'Connor much good mind.

    There was a social democrat who ran in my area this time around, who was in the papers over the past year or so talking about Irelands rape culture and misogynistic men.

    At the local hustings it was reported that she was more engaged on national politics/agenda than she was on what was happening locally.

    If you aren't bothered putting in the effort locally in Ireland you wont get in. When we have health, housing and educational problems nobody wants to know about tinfoil hat "the men are taking over".


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    The Real Sexism Project
    http://www.realsexism.com/

    I haven't read through the page looks like it could be a useful source, if somebody wanted something to cite/reference on a particular point.


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    iptba wrote: »
    http://www.realsexism.com/

    I haven't read through the page looks like it could be a useful source, if somebody wanted something to cite/reference on a particular point.

    very interesting, and useful. Cheers.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    I've got some pushback from previously highlighting issues in India, so here goes:
    Women to get Rs 500 per month from today under PM Jan Dhan Yojana

    At least 200 million poor women account holders under the Pradhan Mantri Jan Dhan Yojana (PMJDY) can start withdrawing Rs 500 from Friday for the next three months as part of the government’s measures for those worst hit by the 21-day lockdown to break the chain of coronavirus infection.

    https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/coronavirus-update-women-to-get-rs-500-per-month-from-today-under-pm-jan-dhan-yojana/story-KxAb6jZRrPqUUvA2uNSwxI.html



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    https://www.communityfoundation.ie/images/uploads/pdfs/A_guide_to_The_Community_Foundation_for_Ireland.pdf
    The Community Foundation for Ireland is one of the largest philanthropic organisations in Ireland. We were established in 2000 with the support of Government and the business sector. The Community Foundation for Ireland helps people make a difference by inspiring a spirit of giving and by investing in people and solutions to benefit every community. From an initial investment of €1m in 2000 and through the support of families, individuals, corporates and other trusts and foundations, we have invested many millions in our communities and grown a perpetual fund that will allow us to continue supporting social causes into the future.
    Women’s Fund
    The Women’s Fund for Ireland is a longterm philanthropic fund to support women and girls in Ireland. Current priorities of the Fund are the prevention of violence against women and the empowerment of women to take leadership roles in communities. When you support the Women’s Fund, you are joining a community of everyday philanthropists committed to improving the lives of women and girls in Ireland, both now and into the future
    I have just come across this charity. The Women's Fund was set up in 2010, so not at the start, so doesn't seem like it is part of its core mission. They don't seem to have a similar fund for men.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    I just got this email:
    This is one last request for your feedback on Audiense.
    For each review, G2 will donate $10 to Girls Who Code. Girls Who Code's mission is to close the gender gap in technology.

    G2 is an independent review site where over 1 million professionals like you are sharing their opinions on the software they use.
    G2© is the world's largest tech marketplace where people like you can discover, manage, and review the technology you use.
    It would have been nice if some of the proceeds were going to an initiative like this, some of the proceeds would also have gone to help males.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭KiKi III


    iptba wrote: »
    https://www.communityfoundation.ie/images/uploads/pdfs/A_guide_to_The_Community_Foundation_for_Ireland.pdf



    I have just come across this charity. The Women's Fund was set up in 2010, so not at the start, so doesn't seem like it is part of its core mission. They don't seem to have a similar fund for men.

    When you see a breast cancer charity, do you say “What about lung cancer?”; when you see a Cystics Fybrosis charity do you say “What about Down’s Syndrome though?”

    When you set up a charity to support a cause you care about, you’re not under any obligation to set up a similar fund for every cause on that spectrum.


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    KiKi III wrote: »
    When you see a breast cancer charity, do you say “What about lung cancer?”; when you see a Cystics Fybrosis charity do you say “What about Down’s Syndrome though?”

    When you set up a charity to support a cause you care about, you’re not under any obligation to set up a similar fund for every cause on that spectrum.

    Yes, but it would be nice to see some attempt at creating an equal society.

    There are no barriers to women working as coders. None. It's simply that they're less interested in the type of work involved. So, wouldn't it be nice to see similar initiatives to encourage males into industries which tend to be dominated by women? (Initiatives like the above to encourage women into particular industries is far from rare, whereas any similar incentive for males, is.)

    It's just a social trend worth commenting on.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    KiKi III wrote: »
    When you see a breast cancer charity, do you say “What about lung cancer?”; when you see a Cystics Fybrosis charity do you say “What about Down’s Syndrome though?”

    When you set up a charity to support a cause you care about, you’re not under any obligation to set up a similar fund for every cause on that spectrum.
    If a charity was set up to help women, then it is fair enough that it just helps women. As I specifically pointed out in this case, that wasn’t the case in this case. The charity was set up in 2000.

    This is the mission when it was set up:
    The Community Foundation for Ireland is one of the largest philanthropic organisations in Ireland. We were established in 2000 with the support of Government and the business sector. The Community Foundation for Ireland helps people make a difference by inspiring a spirit of giving and by investing in people and solutions to benefit every communityFrom an initial investment of €1m in 2000 and through the support of families, individuals, corporates and other trusts and foundations, we have invested many millions in our communities and grown a perpetual fund that will allow us to continue supporting social causes into the future.
    Then in 2010, whoever was running it then decided to devote part of its funds to help women specifically. It could easily have set up a similar fund for males. There are only two genders (basically). It’s not like having to set up a fund for every illness.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Would seem Mila Kunis and Kutcher have a son who has more a sense of fairness than either of his liberal parents:


    https://twitter.com/aplusk/status/1268034805825855488


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    KiKi III wrote: »
    When you see a breast cancer charity, do you say “What about lung cancer?”; when you see a Cystics Fybrosis charity do you say “What about Down’s Syndrome though?”

    When you set up a charity to support a cause you care about, you’re not under any obligation to set up a similar fund for every cause on that spectrum.

    Do you think our State should be obligated to disperse funding to both male services and female services equally?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,028 ✭✭✭H3llR4iser


    Yes, but it would be nice to see some attempt at creating an equal society.

    There are no barriers to women working as coders. None. It's simply that they're less interested in the type of work involved. ...

    This a million, a billion times over. The whole "women in STEM" promotion is more and more ridiculous as it becomes obvious to anybody with a brain that a large percentage of women are simply not interested.

    I've said it many times, I will reiterate: I have been in the position of hiring for my own team no less than 5 times over the last two years; The ratio of applicants between men and women is 9:1. There simply aren't as many women interested in that career path.

    Same principle, reversed, I am sure can be applied in fields such as education.


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    H3llR4iser wrote: »
    This a million, a billion times over. The whole "women in STEM" promotion is more and more ridiculous as it becomes obvious to anybody with a brain that a large percentage of women are simply not interested.

    I've said it many times, I will reiterate: I have been in the position of hiring for my own team no less than 5 times over the last two years; The ratio of applicants between men and women is 9:1. There simply aren't as many women interested in that career path.

    Same principle, reversed, I am sure can be applied in fields such as education.

    Or politics. It's why quotas are such an unfunny joke


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    The death penalty can only be used against men in Belarus
    Death in Minsk

    It's thought that more than 400 people have been executed since Belarus became independent in 1991, though numbers have dwindled to a handful per year

    The death penalty has not been carried out in any other European country since 1996

    President Lukashenko rejects calls for a moratorium citing the "will of the people" - a 1996 referendum in which 80% voted in favour of capital punishment

    Women cannot be sentenced to death in Belarus, only men
    https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-52910202
    In Belarus, you cannot sentence a woman to death — this is the law. But it is women who suffer most from death sentences.
    https://dp.spring96.org/en/news/90861


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    Seems a bit odd that the IHREC (=The Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission is Ireland's national human rights and Equality institution) is supporting a service just for women.
    Free employment law advice clinic for women with National Women's Council of Ireland

    We're delighted that our free employment law advice clinic for women, with the National Women's Council of Ireland (NWCI) and supported by IHREC, is back up and running by phone consultation. To book an appointment, contact the Legal Officer at NWCI at deniser@nwci.ie
    http://www.communitylawandmediation.ie/covid-19-advice-and-resources.1899.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,028 ✭✭✭H3llR4iser


    iptba wrote: »
    The death penalty can only be used against men in Belarus

    https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-52910202


    https://dp.spring96.org/en/news/90861




    Here we go with the "women suffer the most from it" - I guess it can be called logic in a way, if you're dead you don't mind much about much :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    H3llR4iser wrote: »
    Here we go with the "women suffer the most from it" - I guess it can be called logic in a way, if you're dead you don't mind much about much :rolleyes:
    I wonder how it would go down if people started saying if only women were being killed in a particular situation that men had it worse! e.g. men worst hit by cervical screening service problems.


  • Registered Users Posts: 657 ✭✭✭irishejit


    I don't think this has been in the thread before, but after seeing it a couple of weeks ago this is rearing its ugly head again....casual sexism anyone?

    van34pey8j251.jpg

    Of course everyone knows its the fault of men that covid-19 has decimated the planet in the way that it has, but women are the saviour...yippeee. :rolleyes:

    This is just one example of many of these posters, and this one in Pakistan of all places!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,028 ✭✭✭H3llR4iser


    iptba wrote: »
    I wonder how it would go down if people started saying if only women were being killed in a particular situation that men had it worse! e.g. men worst hit by cervical screening service problems.


    Well come on, now you are applying ACTUAL logic, you know it's not allowed in this context ;)3

    irishejit wrote: »
    I don't think this has been in the thread before, but after seeing it a couple of weeks ago this is rearing its ugly head again....casual sexism anyone?

    van34pey8j251.jpg

    Of course everyone knows its the fault of men that covid-19 has decimated the planet in the way that it has, but women are the saviour...yippeee. :rolleyes:

    This is just one example of many of these posters, and this one in Pakistan of all places!!!


    Uff...besides the "forcing" of the acronym "women" (MEN works well), that poster is a classic example of stuff that would have been innocent and funny until a decade or so ago, but has become an issue now.



    Normally, I'd find that quite amusing - but when you drop it in the middle of the noise, it becomes a problem. A drop of water won't drown you, but if it's part of an ocean, it might very well be the one that kills you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,665 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Given that its Pakistan , they are at the drop of water stage so probably is funny for them

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    iptba wrote: »
    https://www.communityfoundation.ie/images/uploads/pdfs/A_guide_to_The_Community_Foundation_for_Ireland.pdf
    The Community Foundation for Ireland is one of the largest philanthropic organisations in Ireland. We were established in 2000 with the support of Government and the business sector. The Community Foundation for Ireland helps people make a difference by inspiring a spirit of giving and by investing in people and solutions to benefit every community. From an initial investment of €1m in 2000 and through the support of families, individuals, corporates and other trusts and foundations, we have invested many millions in our communities and grown a perpetual fund that will allow us to continue supporting social causes into the future.
    Women’s Fund
    The Women’s Fund for Ireland is a longterm philanthropic fund to support women and girls in Ireland. Current priorities of the Fund are the prevention of violence against women and the empowerment of women to take leadership roles in communities. When you support the Women’s Fund, you are joining a community of everyday philanthropists committed to improving the lives of women and girls in Ireland, both now and into the future


    I have just come across this charity. The Women's Fund was set up in 2010, so not at the start, so doesn't seem like it is part of its core mission. They don't seem to have a similar fund for men.
    This is the charity that RTE's Comic Relief is for today.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭Vestiapx


    Caught red handed with three times over the 13 grandworth of weed statutory sentence limit , days to serve? ZERO

    Even Joshua ballymoe rellish Allen himself got more than that and peoe went mad altogether saying be was under punished.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/woman-gets-suspended-sentence-after-seizure-of-cannabis-worth-40k-in-east-cork-1007751.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,665 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    silverharp wrote: »
    What did it say? It has been deleted.

    ETA: This was a reply:

    "Women more likely to have been affected"

    Empirical data please or STFU.
    In connection with Covid-19 it seems


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,665 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    iptba wrote: »
    What did it say? It has been deleted.

    ETA: This was a reply:
    In connection with Covid-19 it seems

    they replaced it with this tweet, the original tweet had included something like ...as you know women are affected by Corona the most...

    https://twitter.com/Sport_England/status/1277549101387784192

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    Yeah, I saw the original when the post was first put up. It definitely said that women were the most affected by covid.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,584 ✭✭✭ligerdub


    Why even put in that preface to the second paragraph. Why not say we'd love to hear your views?

    Why does it always have to be a narrative involving victimhood or getting the violin out?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    silverharp wrote: »
    they replaced it with this tweet, the original tweet had included something like ...as you know women are affected by Corona the most...

    https://twitter.com/Sport_England/status/1277549101387784192

    Innovation open call
    We're looking for innovative solutions to support people most affected by the coronavirus pandemic.

    [..]


    Women: on average, women are taking on more hours of childcare than men, and prior to coronavirus 17% of women worked in a sector that has since shut down, compared to 13% of men.

    [..]

    Women: recent data suggests women are more likely than men to be worried about the effect of coronavirus on their lives and are more likely to agree their wellbeing is affected.
    Seems weak as a reason not to look to help men also.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    irishejit wrote: »
    I don't think this has been in the thread before, but after seeing it a couple of weeks ago this is rearing its ugly head again....casual sexism anyone?

    van34pey8j251.jpg

    Of course everyone knows its the fault of men that covid-19 has decimated the planet in the way that it has, but women are the saviour...yippeee. :rolleyes:

    This is just one example of many of these posters, and this one in Pakistan of all places!!!
    An image with a similar wording with a slightly different layout and no mention of Pakistan was circulated to an Irish WhatsApp group I'm in today.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,665 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,574 ✭✭✭Padraig Mor


    Nice 'balanced' article here from The Echo. Even if the article were true (and as far as I'm concerned, the author is clearly lying through her teeth), could you imagine a similar article being written about women, blacks, Travellers etc?!

    https://www.echolive.ie/opinion/Young-men-refusing-to-wear-a-mask-have-to-be-faced-down-c613ad87-c4d2-4e77-9eac-f445e3fa8885-ds
    Young men refusing to wear a mask have to be faced down
    Áilín Quinlan

    FAR be it from me to re-ignite the sex wars.

    But in all fairness, guys.

    Each day since last Monday, I have made my usual daily visit to my local supermarket.

    And each day, I, along with, I should point out, every other female customer in the shop and every staff member, have worn a face-mask.

    Because, since July 20, as anyone who hasn’t been suspended upside down on their local beach with their head in the sand will know, anyone entering a shop has to wear a face-covering, as do staff working there, unless they are behind a screen. Even the staff in my local shop who are working behind a screen are wearing masks.

    In fact on one occasion, when I realised on entering the shop that I had forgotten to put it on, I tramped, swearing, back out to the car to get it and put it on.

    Yet, each time I enter the shop, I see a parade of males in their twenties or thirties arriving through the doors, brazen-faced, brass-necked and mask-less. They will blithely pass the hand-sanitiser equipment at the door, walking into the store as if it’s life as normal, completely ignoring the fact that virtually every other customer and every single member of staff is wearing a mask.

    Without as much as a blush, they queue up for their breakfast roll, get their coffee, tea or can of Red Bull, and then join another queue to pay.

    And not a single person, neither customers nor staff nor owners, quiet mice that we all are, expresses as much as a syllable of protest.

    I was diagnosed with late-onset asthma a year ago (most unfair, I thought at the time, as I don’t smoke and exercise daily, but apparently it’s in the family tree.)

    However, I still wear a mask when I go into the shop. Like Dublin GP Dr Maitiu O’Tuathail, who took to Twitter this week to explain the non-impact of face masks and coverings on oxygen levels, I didn’t find that wearing a mask impeded my breathing. It’s just a bit uncomfortable and I whip it off as soon as I’m back out in the fresh air.

    Well, anyway, in the shop car-park one morning, I suddenly got entirely sick of being a mouse.

    As I watched two tall, strong, healthy and immensely cheerful twenty-something males exit their vehicle and stride into the supermarket, bypassing the hand sanitiser stand without as much as a glance and brushing past a much older man who actually was wearing a mask, I felt a wave of sheer irritation.

    You can look up the psychology of teenagers and young twenty-somethings. They feel immortal. They don’t believe they can be injured or infected or die. This is why they are so risk-prone. This is why you have young fellas doing really stupid things like driving cars way outside the speed limits at eye-watering speeds and doing doughnuts on the roads, diving into swimming pools from hotel balconies several storeys up, or tearing down motorways on the wrong side of the road

    We know all of this, and while it’s not an excuse it is a reason. Alas, though, the downside of this is they also more than likely never think about the fact that they can injure or infect someone else, or even cause the death of another.

    As I collected my newspaper and walked through the aisles picking up my few bits, I passed this hearty duo, now lounging at the deli-counter waiting for their orders, talking and laughing loudly and of course, in the meantime expelling millions of potentially infectious droplets into the air.

    “Excuse me,” I said calmly. They turned around. “You’re supposed to be wearing a mask. It’s mandatory.”

    They had the grace to look a bit abashed. “Eh, yeah, I know,” said one apologetically. The other guy said nothing. And then they looked away again and I moved on. In other words, that was it, basically.

    So yes, they knew they were supposed to be wearing them, the idea being to protect others. But, er, what they were too polite to say was they didn’t care and couldn’t be bothered.

    And if this is happening regularly in my local shop, it’s happening in plenty of shops.

    You can’t blame shop-owners or their staff for not taking on these young men about their callous and careless behaviour, but somebody needs to.

    How can anyone be that oblivious to the risk they’re potentially posing to the health of other people? Especially now, that after so much to-ing and fro-ing, the government has made it mandatory? Especially now that cases of Covid-19 are on the rise, day by day?

    The aforementioned GP, Dr O’Tuathail, has warned that he’s seen a worrying rise in the number of people requesting Covid-19 tests. Sharing a screenshot on Twitter of a request log where every line was related to Covid-19 testing, he warned that it was “starting to feel like March 2020 all over again”.

    He was, he reported, “getting an alarming increase in requests for Covid testing, and it’s trending upwards. My day so far has been all Covid-related — for the first time in weeks.”

    This in the context of recent figures which, according to acting chief medical officer Dr Ronan Glynn, mean that workplaces — such as shops, because shops, remember, are most definitely workplaces and not just, say, building sites or creches — are the new “frontline” of the war against the virus, with clusters of Covid emerging in recent days.

    Ireland, says Dr Glynn, cannot rule out a second lockdown just yet.

    So, em, in this context, if we have a significant problem with young males refusing to wear masks in shops, possibly because they think it’s unmanly, uncool, or just plain embarrassing, we need to confront them and deal with it.

    We can’t realistically expect young shop assistants to deal with this problem, can we?

    Put it more bluntly — are we seriously going to leave this emerging public health threat to shop-keepers?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,043 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    The Echo has really gone downhill


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay


    In my anecdotal experience, it's middle aged women who shop without masks.

    I believe it's usually old people who drive the wrong way on motorways too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 363 ✭✭Tig98


    McGaggs wrote: »
    In my anecdotal experience, it's middle aged women who shop without masks.

    I believe it's usually old people who drive the wrong way on motorways too.

    I agree, and from working on a till women are much contrarier than men and less likely to comply with simple store regulations


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay


    Tig98 wrote: »
    I agree, and from working on a till women are much contrarier than men and less likely to comply with simple store regulations

    I'm going to Aldi, the reporter seems to be Inna Centra. I wouldn't extrapolate that a few lads on lunch from a building site as being representative of their demographic, much as I don't believe middle aged women are modern typhoid Marys. But then again, I don't have 500 words and a deadline


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,844 ✭✭✭py2006




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 865 ✭✭✭Icemancometh


    No
    py2006 wrote: »

    Pretty sure that's a parody account.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,844 ✭✭✭py2006


    Pretty sure that's a parody account.

    Sure hope so


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    Original Article
    Reactions to male‐favouring versus female‐favouring sex differences: A pre‐registered experiment and Southeast Asian replication

    Steve Stewart‐Williams Chern Yi Marybeth Chang Xiu Ling Wong Jesse D. Blackburn Andrew G. Thomas

    First published: 23 July 2020 https://doi.org/10.1111/bjop.12463

    Abstract

    Two studies investigated
    (1) how people react to research describing a sex difference, depending on whether that difference favours males or females,
    and
    (2) how accurately people can predict how the average man and woman will react.

    In Study 1, Western participants (N = 492) viewed a fictional popular‐science article describing either a male‐favouring or a female‐favouring sex difference (i.e., men/women draw better; women/men lie more).

    Both sexes reacted less positively to the male‐favouring differences, judging the findings to be less important, less credible, and more offensive, harmful, and upsetting.

    Participants predicted that the average man and woman would react more positively to sex differences favouring their own sex.

    This was true of the average woman, although the level of own‐sex favouritism was lower than participants predicted.

    It was not true, however, of the average man, who – like the average woman – reacted more positively to the female‐favouring differences.

    Study 2 replicated these findings in a Southeast Asian sample (N = 336).

    Our results are consistent with the idea that both sexes are more protective of women than men, but that both exaggerate the level of same‐sex favouritism within each sex – a misconception that could potentially harm relations between the sexes.
    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/bjop.12463


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,574 ✭✭✭Padraig Mor


    Had the joy today of flicking through this publication from Aontas, focussing on strategies to combat educational disadvantage in a post Covid world. It lists "disadvantaged learners" as:

    1. Learners with disabilities.
    2. Travellers and Roma.
    3. Home Carers.
    4. Women.
    5. Learners in Direct Provision and Homeless.
    6. Learners with Literacy, Numeracy and Basic Digital Literacy Needs.
    7. Adults with Lower-Level Qualifications.
    8. Individuals in receipt of social welfare.
    9. First-Time Mature Students.

    While no-one would argue over some of the list, am I incorrect in surmising that it portrays pretty much everyone except white males with jobs as being "disadvantaged learners"?!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay


    Had the joy today of flicking through this publication from Aontas, focussing on strategies to combat educational disadvantage in a post Covid world. It lists "disadvantaged learners" as:

    1. Learners with disabilities.
    2. Travellers and Roma.
    3. Home Carers.
    4. Women.
    5. Learners in Direct Provision and Homeless.
    6. Learners with Literacy, Numeracy and Basic Digital Literacy Needs.
    7. Adults with Lower-Level Qualifications.
    8. Individuals in receipt of social welfare.
    9. First-Time Mature Students.

    While no-one would argue over some of the list, am I incorrect in surmising that it portrays pretty much everyone except white males with jobs as being "disadvantaged learners"?!

    I would've thought the results would show boys/men as educationally disadvantaged.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,607 ✭✭✭newport2


    McGaggs wrote: »
    I would've thought the results would show boys/men as educationally disadvantaged.

    Not when you've decided what the results are before you analyse the data.


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