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Dublin GAA Discussion Thread - Capital Punishment

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    #9182
    gormdubhgorm
    Registered Users Posts: 18,312 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Nidgeweasel wrote: »
    Is there a time and date set for the senior football final?

    I didn't see any on the DublinGAA website - just the semis for the football in two weeks, and the final for the hurling this weekend.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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    #9183
    bucketybuck
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    Tombo2001 wrote: »
    Yes.

    And how do the ref/ linesman know who that is, when they don't have a TMO to go to.

    Is this the "two wrongs make a right" defence?

    We all know it can be difficult for referees to see absolutely everything on a field, always was and always will be.

    But that does not mean it is fine that referees will just book both players as a default, despite not actually knowing what happened and not actually seeing both players do anything wrong.


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    #9184
    Tombo2001
    Registered Users Posts: 6,492 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    Is this the "two wrongs make a right" defence?

    We all know it can be difficult for referees to see absolutely everything on a field, always was and always will be.

    But that does not mean it is fine that referees will just book both players as a default, despite not actually knowing what happened and not actually seeing both players do anything wrong.


    So referee sees two players on the ground fighting - didn't see how it started.

    Doesn't have a TMO to go to. Linesmen don't know how it started.

    What is the appropriate response?


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    #9185
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users Posts: 18,160 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Tombo2001 wrote: »
    So referee sees two players on the ground fighting - didn't see how it started.

    Doesn't have a TMO to go to. Linesmen don't know how it started.

    What is the appropriate response?

    Two red cards for fighting, is that supposed to be a trick question?

    So why did the ref give 2 yellow cards at the weekend, and why do refs always just give 2 yellow cards in those instances?


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    #9186
    Tombo2001
    Registered Users Posts: 6,492 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    Two red cards for fighting, is that supposed to be a trick question?

    So why did the ref give 2 yellow cards at the weekend, and why do refs always just give 2 yellow cards in those instances?

    I asked the question.

    What do you think is the appropriate response by a referee when faced with this situation that I described above.


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    #9187
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users Posts: 18,160 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Tombo2001 wrote: »
    I asked the question.

    What do you think is the appropriate response by a referee when faced with this situation that I described above.

    I very clearly answered that question.
    bucketybuck wrote: »
    Two red cards for fighting, is that supposed to be a trick question?


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    #9188
    gormdubhgorm
    Registered Users Posts: 18,312 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Tombo2001 wrote: »
    So referee sees two players on the ground fighting - didn't see how it started.

    Doesn't have a TMO to go to. Linesmen don't know how it started.

    What is the appropriate response?
    bucketybuck wrote: »
    Two red cards for fighting, is that supposed to be a trick question?

    So why did the ref give 2 yellow cards at the weekend, and why do refs always just give 2 yellow cards in those instances?

    I think many refs takes the same attitude as many bouncers in a nightclub if they see trouble throw them all out. Or give both a warning at the very least. It is like a teacher in class who gives both pupils detention no matter who instigated it.

    I remember at a local club game a fella was given a blatant box in the head (pretending to go for the ball)
    He was spark out, on the ground.
    The fella who threw the punch realised straight away that he was in trouble, and threw himself on the ground holding his head. Letting on he was hit. I started laughing - what is he at?

    But somehow both the linesman and the ref missed it. Happened beside the linesman!
    They had a brief consultation and the ref gave both lads a yellow each!

    Yer man who threw the box was laughing to himself for a good while after.
    It is madness, I don't think you see that type of thing as often from refs in other codes?

    I think they definitely need some sort of help whether it be more refs/linesman with specific duties.
    Or else at least they should have a ref assessor watching the game, if the ref is consistently poor get rid of him.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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    #9189
    Pogue eile
    Registered Users Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭Pogue eile


    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    Or else at least they should have a ref assessor watching the game, if the ref is consistently poor get rid of him.

    They are assessed regularly but the problem is that you cant simply 'get rid of him' there is already a chronic shortage of refs, somrthing that is going to continue to get worse. What usually happens when a ref gets a poor assessment is that they drop down a level or two as punishment but are back up almost immediately.


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    #9190
    bruschi
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 4,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭bruschi


    To some of the Dublin hurling historians, how many times did Alan Coyne play senior hurling for Dublin, or how many times would he have played at Croke Park?


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    #9191
    Bonniedog
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    bruschi wrote: »
    To some of the Dublin hurling historians, how many times did Alan Coyne play senior hurling for Dublin, or how many times would he have played at Croke Park?


    Who? Don't recall him playing for Dublin. Which is not to say he did not.


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    #9192
    dobman88
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    Bonniedog wrote: »
    Who? Don't recall him playing for Dublin. Which is not to say he did not.

    Googled him and unfortunately seems his life has taken a bad turn. This was the top article as its so new but it says this about his hurling career

    Mr Coyne said he had played for senior inter county hurling for Dublin in the past, was a former member of St Brigid's GAA club and had graced Croke Park "many times".

    https://www.rte.ie/amp/1084040/


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    #9193
    Bonniedog
    Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    dobman88 wrote: »
    Googled him and unfortunately seems his life has taken a bad turn. This was the top article as its so new but it says this about his hurling career

    Mr Coyne said he had played for senior inter county hurling for Dublin in the past, was a former member of St Brigid's GAA club and had graced Croke Park "many times".

    https://www.rte.ie/amp/1084040/

    Made it all up it seems. There was a Coyne who played for the Fingal hurling team but he wasn't from Brigids I don't think.

    Anyway, Cuala will beat the cartel today :)


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    #9194
    Rasputin11
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    Con O Callaghan on the receiving end of a very poor challenge today. Any updates on his injury?


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    #9195
    Bonniedog
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    He walked off, hobbling, but not serious.

    Nolan should have walked for that. He has bad habit of leaving boot into forward's leg. Going to end badly some time. It is classic Chopper Harris Norman Hunter badness for those of you familiar with retro soccer when it was worth watching!


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    #9196
    Slattsy
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    Just seen replay there, that's absolutely shocking from Nolan. Should have been a straight red. At what other point in a game could you get away with that? Ridiculous.


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    #9197
    hunter164
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    What was the story with the straight red for the Brigids fella? Anyone see what he done?


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    #9198
    Bonniedog
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    hunter164 wrote: »
    What was the story with the straight red for the Brigids fella? Anyone see what he done?


    there was a lot of stuff going on. Barrs ref well on top of most of it, as he might be :p

    Bit of talk about Nolan because his victim today was the Great One. He does this regularly including with county and gets a bye ball because he is brave as fk and will put himself on line.

    However, It is dangerous sh1T and he will do someone serious harm one day.


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    #9199
    JRant
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    Seen a lad get his leg snapped in two by a very similar tackle. This keeper had a nasty habit of doing the exact same thing as Nolan. The lad he hit never played again and still walks with a bit of a gimp, this was 6 years ago.
    Someone needs to have a word with him before he ruins someone's career.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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    #9200
    Paulzx
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    It was a disgracefull tackle. He has no business making contact with the forward with a flying boot. The potential for doing serious damage to another player is sky high with that type of reckless play.

    Straight red all day.


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    #9201
    Dyr
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    Bonniedog wrote: »
    there was a lot of stuff going on. Barrs ref well on top of most of it, as he might be :p

    Bit of talk about Nolan because his victim today was the Great One. He does this regularly including with county and gets a bye ball because he is brave as fk and will put himself on line.

    However, It is dangerous sh1T and he will do someone serious harm one day.

    I don't think Nolan is brave at all, he always comes out with the intention of taking out the forward.

    Maguire no better. Wonder why Mattie Kenny hasn't given Brennan a run out.


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    #9202
    Bonniedog
    Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    Bambi wrote: »
    I don't think Nolan is brave at all, he always comes out with the intention of taking out the forward.

    Maguire no better. Wonder why Mattie Kenny hasn't given Brennan a run out.


    He would know him well so strange maybe. Brennan wouldn't have longest puck out perhaps. Good goalkeeper. Concedes very few goals and generally uses ball well. Cunningham would definitely have had him for distribution.


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    #9203
    bruschi
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    Bambi wrote: »
    I don't think Nolan is brave at all, he always comes out with the intention of taking out the forward.

    Maguire no better. Wonder why Mattie Kenny hasn't given Brennan a run out.

    When Wexford played Kilkenny this year, a similar tackle from Eoin Murphy was praised all over for his bravery. Very few, if any at all that I can recall, stated that it was a stone wall penalty.

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    It also happened in the Clare Tipp game, but I do think the keeper was punished in that one.

    Point being, it almost seems accepted that a keeper can come out and do a Toni Schumacher tackle and get away with it. Leading out leg first like keepers do is not to save the ball, its to save themselves and take out a player.


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    #9204
    Dyr
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    Bonniedog wrote: »
    He would know him well so strange maybe. Brennan wouldn't have longest puck out perhaps. Good goalkeeper. Concedes very few goals and generally uses ball well. Cunningham would definitely have had him for distribution.


    Brennan is more accurate than either of the other two, probably hasnt the same range but then we don't really have lads in the forward line to lump high ball into.


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    #9205
    Bonniedog
    Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    Bambi wrote: »
    Brennan is more accurate than either of the other two, probably hasnt the same range but then we don't really have lads in the forward line to lump high ball into.

    He is and is very good under pressure, Vital part of Cuala game plan which is based on ridiculous % of own possession from puck outs,

    Strangely enough he would have been perfect for Ger Cunningham plan. I be one of his few defenders, but I reckon with his coaching eye he had spotted where Dublin might improve, but it all went pear shaped.

    New plan is no better, obviously!


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    #9206
    D9Male
    Registered Users Posts: 1,644 ✭✭✭D9Male


    Agree with the general consensus about the tackle. It was violent and he deserved a red. Cuala seemed to sleep walk their way through the game a lot and the first touch of their forwards was surprisingly poor. Brigid's performed well but I was cheering for Cuala from the second minute after that tackle.


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    #9207
    JRant
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    As an aside I have yet to meet a sane hurling goalkeeper. They all have more than a few screws loose if you ask me :)

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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    #9208
    How Soon Is Now
    Registered Users Posts: 13,084 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now


    Sad to see Bernard finish up be weird not having any Brogans on the panel.

    Amazing player such great memories think he done okay for himself in the end as well!


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    #9209
    castletownman
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    Bernard had a great career. That period from say 2010-2015 he was genuinely up there with some of the all-time greats.

    Was a Footballer of the Year for a team that didn't win the AI before it became cool to give out when Mayo players done the same too :D


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    #9210
    Slattsy
    Registered Users Posts: 15,775 ✭✭✭✭Slattsy


    Easily one of the best to have played the game. Would make any greats team, any decade. Serious level of drive and commitment to the cause, and never let any of his injuries set him back, and remember some were quite serious.

    And fwiw; a genuinely nice guy too, for anyone that ever had the pleasure of meeting him.


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    #9211
    Dog Murphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 82 ✭✭Dog Murphy


    I've been watching football since the mid 90's and I think Bernard Brogans 2010 season is the best season I've seen from a player, he was so great that year that even though Dublin were beaten in the All Ireland semi final he was the only possible candidate for footballer of the year. His semi final performance against Cork was something special 1-6 from play. He was essentially the only forward Dublin had that year and despite all the attention he was getting from the opposition he still managed to put up huge numbers of scores.


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